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Title: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: lyynx on July 13, 2015, 11:23:31 AM
Since I only want to call scam when I am thoroughly sure, the pure incompetence and lack of care exercised by Bter and Poloniex for the Qora community is outright unbelievable. I will only speak of my issues, and if any other users or coins for that matter are experiencing the same issues please feel free to piggy back on to this thread and don't forget to share on your coins thread. Additionally, I would like to say that up to this point I have never had any issues with either exchange for over 1 1/2 years.

Bter Scammers? - look, we all know Bter has been hacked a few times, but it has appeared they have made attempts to reconcile with the respective coins and their users. With that said, after many trades, I have hit a wall with Bter and they are either incompetent or selectively unable to amend my issue.

Over 4 weeks ago, I deposited over 40,000,000 million to Bter to trade in hopes of increasing my stack. Well, needless to say, I have yet to see my balance credit.

Here's a link to the transaction: http://qora.co.in/?q=43qfGrHi8dAG57AcdkUTBAwX6PcB74sYkYPnEcQ6SgKXkue7CemUUXLXVSD3tvjujNm9t39wAXX6X8Uftm2QBoeH (http://qora.co.in/?q=43qfGrHi8dAG57AcdkUTBAwX6PcB74sYkYPnEcQ6SgKXkue7CemUUXLXVSD3tvjujNm9t39wAXX6X8Uftm2QBoeH)
However, here's the kicker, the deposit address they provided is active and forging blocks. (Qora is a Proof of Stake Coin - so active addresses forge coins if you were unaware). After 24 hours of seeing no update to my balance, I contacted Bter Support. Of course I received the typical canned support response. I waited a day or two and asked them what the issue was. Bter stated the Qora wallet was having issues and they were in contact with the Qora Dev's. Not the most technical response, but I took it as face value and then asked the Qora Development Team if they were aware of any issues Bter was having and if/when the issues would be resolved.

Qora developers responded that they were unaware of any issues and had not been contacted by Bter. Strike 1, Bter is lying to customers.

I then asked other users of our community if they were having issues with Bter Qora deposits/withdrawals and many users had expressed their frustration with Bter as they also had deposits/withdrawals frozen and for a much longer time than myself. Strike 2

4 weeks have passed and Bter at this point does not even respond or acknowledge my emails, nor provide any type of an update. They are just MIA. Strike 3.

They have our coins, continue to forge blocks with user funds and appear to be doing absolutely nothing about fixing their issues.

I mention Poloniex is this tread as well as we are having the same exact issues with them as Bter. Same support issues and responses. Wallet is having issues, we'll credit your account when fix. All the while nothing changes and any opportunities that existed in trading have all but gone. Polo has fixed their issues and redeemed themselves.

So, if you are a Qora user or any other coin that is having issues as a whole for more than a couple of weeks, please reply to this thread with your transactions/issues so we can see the full extent and financial impact of such bad exchanges.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on July 13, 2015, 01:21:19 PM
I had similar issue with qora withdraw in bter , luckily my everything ended successfully(after 2-3 week me returned qora to my balance and next request was succesfully).
But currently I have issue with asiacoin, I request withdraw 170 000 AC  about month ago (2015-06-15 ), and this is not the worst, I request to wallet comkort , which will be turned off on 19 july. Until now bter did not change to  submitted my other address , any cancel request. I had submit lot support ticket.For last any replay around week.
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Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: Tuck Fheman on July 14, 2015, 05:13:29 AM
BTer has 2 mio of our Qora for 5 weeks. Various excuses have been given while we've watched their forging wallet work fine daily. They also tried to claim our funds were still in the deposit wallet AFTER we showed them it was transferred out of that wallet. We've told them how to resync on three occasions, each time we get the same generic response ignoring any questions we've asked. In the five weeks we've corresponded with them them 10+ times, twice we were promised our funds within 24 hours after we confronted them about the Qora Dev's saying they'd contacted BTer. We never saw the money and consider it stolen and gone at this point.

Poloniex held our funds for 3 months late last year, so they're not much better, but they are registered with FinCEN, so you do have some recourse.




Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: tyz on July 14, 2015, 06:54:40 AM
I pm'ed Poloniex two times in order to get a claim when Qora deposit and withdrawal function will be activated again. I've waited more than two weeks without getting a response. Deposits and withdrawals have been deactivated since over four weeks now. That's really bad. Also the communication. I'll not use Poloniex anymore for any trades.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: chalkboard17 on July 14, 2015, 07:00:27 AM
I have noticed this coin has been neglected for a long time now by these two exchanges. A thread like this one should have been opened a long time ago.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: favdesu on July 14, 2015, 07:03:01 AM
I had a similar issue with bter - took them ~3 weeks to get my qora deposit through. I got exactly the same answers "devs contacted" while devs didn't know about any issue.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: lottery248 on July 14, 2015, 12:58:40 PM
I pm'ed Poloniex two times in order to get a claim when Qora deposit and withdrawal function will be activated again. I've waited more than two weeks without getting a response. Deposits and withdrawals have been deactivated since over four weeks now. That's really bad. Also the communication. I'll not use Poloniex anymore for any trades.
did you use the trollbox in that site? because there are numbers of mods can help you to solve, also they will see your ticket.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: lyynx on July 16, 2015, 11:03:25 AM
Just a little update, Polo was finally able to update my balance, but like I stated, 4 weeks have gone by so any good opportunities to trade have passed. As for Bter, well, I've still yet to see my balance update. I did receive another email stating "We're still working on it" which is no comfort.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on July 16, 2015, 12:09:21 PM
Just a little update, Polo was finally able to update my balance, but like I stated, 4 weeks have gone by so any good opportunities to trade have passed. As for Bter, well, I've still yet to see my balance update. I did receive another email stating "We're still working on it" which is no comfort.
you "lucky"  :)I did not receive reply since Jul 9, my deadline quite close.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: tyz on July 18, 2015, 08:59:08 AM
I got over to exchange all my QORA in Poloniex to Bitcoin to get the value out of it. Now I am looking for another reliable exchange to invest them in Qora again  :)


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on July 18, 2015, 09:01:49 AM
I got over to exchange all my QORA in Poloniex to Bitcoin to get the value out of it. Now I am looking for another reliable exchange to invest them in Qora again  :)
want to buy direct from me? PM me


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: lyynx on July 21, 2015, 11:07:17 AM
Well, 5 weeks now and so far, this is all I get if I ask about my coins, "Sorry for the inconvenience caused. We are still working to fix it." and it takes them a week to reply with that.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: favdesu on July 21, 2015, 11:12:25 AM
Well, 5 weeks now and so far, this is all I get if I ask about my coins, "Sorry for the inconvenience caused. We are still working to fix it." and it takes them a week to reply with that.

can't be that hard to restart the wallet on their side, right? but wait, they're busy staking with your money :)


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: favdesu on July 25, 2015, 01:03:49 PM
bump.

any updates? any reaction from bter?

I hope everyone else won't touch bter with a ten foot pole.


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: lyynx on July 26, 2015, 09:16:50 PM
bump.

any updates? any reaction from bter?

I hope everyone else won't touch bter with a ten foot pole.

No update, just their usual email "We are still working on it".

I doubt they'll even update to the newest version of Qora.

6 weeks and still no funds. Absolute scam.

If I were to possibly take a guess at what has happened, they probably have a script automatically generating the Qora wallets, however probably forgot where they are storing the seeds and passwords, otherwise, what other issue could there be?


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: favdesu on July 27, 2015, 04:39:18 AM
bump.

any updates? any reaction from bter?

I hope everyone else won't touch bter with a ten foot pole.

No update, just their usual email "We are still working on it".

I doubt they'll even update to the newest version of Qora.

6 weeks and still no funds. Absolute scam.

If I were to possibly take a guess at what has happened, they probably have a script automatically generating the Qora wallets, however probably forgot where they are storing the seeds and passwords, otherwise, what other issue could there be?

lol, bter? more like burner then, they act as a burning address. would explain why they're silent. BTW Poloniex withdrawals are working, could you delete them from your op?


Title: Re: Bter and Poloniex - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on July 27, 2015, 09:28:29 AM
I had similar issue with qora withdraw in bter , luckily my everything ended successfully(after 2-3 week me returned qora to my balance and next request was succesfully).
But currently I have issue with asiacoin, I request withdraw 170 000 AC  about month ago (2015-06-15 ), and this is not the worst, I request to wallet comkort , which will be turned off on 19 july. Until now bter did not change to  submitted my other address , any cancel request. I had submit lot support ticket.For last any replay around week.
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My story is approaching the tragic end, if month ago bter told:
Quote

Jun 27, 11:12

Dear Sir,
We will cancel it or resent it for you as soon as possible

after month(it was more  similar message).I got answer:

Quote
Bter Support (bter)

Jul 27, 09:46

Dear Sir,
Sorry, we can not change the address you entered.

We may resend the transaction later when the wallet works well

Best
Bter.com


what shall I do?


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: lyynx on August 03, 2015, 11:17:35 AM
7 Weeks have passed and Bter has yet to fix or even provide a truthful explanation of why my funds have not credited to my balance. My funds are certainly there and they are currently forging, in fact, they have forged over 667 Qora with my coins.

They are either scammers or completely incompetent and should be avoided at all costs.


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: el kaka22 on August 03, 2015, 02:48:45 PM
There are so many people talking about bter is a scam. Bter is a Chinese exchange. You should consider if you trust them or not. Some Chinese sites turned out to be a scam. So, if you don't quite trust them, then don't use them. There're plenty of alternatives.


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on August 04, 2015, 04:29:37 PM
There are so many people talking about bter is a scam. Bter is a Chinese exchange. You should consider if you trust them or not. Some Chinese sites turned out to be a scam. So, if you don't quite trust them, then don't use them. There're plenty of alternatives.
chinese exchange or not to everyone
subject to the same laws


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on September 17, 2015, 10:59:14 AM

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Bter Support (bter)

Jun 16, 10:49

Dear Sir,
We will try to fix it as soon as possible

Thanks for your patience.

you may also contact me via skype for the update. My username is bter.com

After 3 month same!!!



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Bter Support (bter)

Sep 17, 17:29

We will fix it as soon as possible



Or here to laugh or cry  ???


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: soloasi on October 09, 2015, 03:51:25 PM
uhmm.. i got a problem in a deposit i did, 4 months later here i am still waiting, i would call Incompetence, because it seems theres ppl that can trade in there.
I sent them 3 tickets; one in english which was answered one day later, till then it was great at least one day isnt that much, i sent them all the info they asked me for, after that all the e-meails same like yours.... after 4 or 5 days i sent the first ticked i sent them another one with the same problem with all the info on it and nothing, same asnwer like the one before 3 days later; as this happened i was wondering if they would answer faster with a ticket in chinese, so i sent them a ticket in chinese, no more than 10 min later my ticket was closed and deleted, and told me not to send double tickets for the same problem... then WTF? i already have 2 tickets in english with the same problem! and the one in chinese is deleted? really? ...

 >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on October 09, 2015, 04:09:26 PM

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Bter Support (bter)

Jun 16, 10:49

Dear Sir,
We will try to fix it as soon as possible

Thanks for your patience.

you may also contact me via skype for the update. My username is bter.com

After 3 month same!!!



Quote
   

Bter Support (bter)

Sep 17, 17:29

We will fix it as soon as possible



Or here to laugh or cry  ???

approaching the fourth month , situation without change. :'(
in order to remain objective,  -recently day I succefully withdraw other altcoin AUR


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: allyouracid on October 11, 2015, 09:38:23 AM
Please, guys. Don't use this fuckin exchange. They're more than known for fuckin people over, manipulating ICOs and earning a golden butt with the money of their customers. You should really, really avoid them at all cost, and consider any money sent there as lost.

They're the worst exchange ever. I'd better trade at Mt.Gox than do any deposit to their wallets.
They are stealing your money, and as soon as some public awareness arises, they claim their exchange was hacked, wait a month or two and start over. And over. And over.

They're not just incompetent, they're criminals, and they're hiding their criminal activities behind incompetence.

Don't fuckin use them. There is no sane reason to ever do so. Never ever.


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: redsn0w on October 11, 2015, 09:43:33 AM
Please, guys. Don't use this fuckin exchange. They're more than known for fuckin people over, manipulating ICOs and earning a golden butt with the money of their customers. You should really, really avoid them at all cost, and consider any money sent there as lost.

They're the worst exchange ever. I'd better trade at Mt.Gox than do any deposit to their wallets.
They are stealing your money, and as soon as some public awareness arises, they claim their exchange was hacked, wait a month or two and start over. And over. And over.

They're not just incompetent, they're criminals, and they're hiding their criminal activities behind incompetence.

Don't fuckin use them. There is no sane reason to ever do so. Never ever.

Yes, check this thread (about the old hack of more then 7'000 btc) :

 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=956738.0


I also don't suggest to use bter.com as exchange!


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: allyouracid on October 11, 2015, 10:44:45 AM
Please, guys. Don't use this fuckin exchange. They're more than known for fuckin people over, manipulating ICOs and earning a golden butt with the money of their customers. You should really, really avoid them at all cost, and consider any money sent there as lost.

They're the worst exchange ever. I'd better trade at Mt.Gox than do any deposit to their wallets.
They are stealing your money, and as soon as some public awareness arises, they claim their exchange was hacked, wait a month or two and start over. And over. And over.

They're not just incompetent, they're criminals, and they're hiding their criminal activities behind incompetence.

Don't fuckin use them. There is no sane reason to ever do so. Never ever.

Yes, check this thread (about the old hack of more then 7'000 btc) :

 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=956738.0


I also don't suggest to use bter.com as exchange!
Frustrating thing is, they're not even very intelligent in conning users. They just rely on users' stupidity, so they can pull the same gox over and over. Even more frustrating: it actually works. Users seem to forget quickly in crypto. Or they don't give a shit about their money.


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: soloasi on October 11, 2015, 07:51:43 PM
Anyone tried to contac them by phone or skype or something?


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: zazarb on October 13, 2015, 03:44:22 PM
Anyone tried to contac them by phone or skype or something?
I try contact via skype , but unsuccessfully, and I do not think that the answer would be different than ticket reply.


Title: Re: Bter - Scam or Incompetence
Post by: locdev on October 22, 2015, 05:07:34 PM
Same here.
deposited 6m qora (it is about $100) and they never credited my account.

Complete SCAM avoid BTER at all cost.

2 months and they even don't respond to the ticket.

Thanks
Mikhail