Bitcoin Forum

I was just wondering if you guys could register here at bitcoin and introduce yourselves and tell us why you are here.  No need to lurk.  We have a strong feeling you are reading these forums.

Moderators, please leave this thread up for a day or two.  I just want to see if this thread gets any bites.

Occupying sofa. Looking forward to what those guy would say.

I was going to post a witty reply involving pretending to be affiliated with one of those organizations, but then I realized that they probably ARE watching and I'd get v&.

Maybe Jimbobway is part of the FBI, CIA, NSA, or SEC, and is trying to get the trolls v& so that the forum will be a better place. I tip my tinfoil hat to you, good sir.

I wonder if they know we lurk on their forums?

You realize the only response you might get now is a person trying to impersonating a federal agent/spook.

Maybe they have a sense of humor and reply  ;D

Fuck, that's some funny shit right there!

I was searching for a reason to post the following gif, and I just found it lol
For best impact please read the thread title followed by the message on the gif ;D

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8bmzaGMkv1rbddkvo1_500.gif


PS: I really don't care. It's a public forum, ain't it? If I can spend countless hours here so can they ;)

also be sure to tell us when you first heard about bitcoin and at what price you first jumped-in  :D

I'm sincerely interested to see if any actual feds with actual proof actually post here.

This will never work. The TLA people are never going to speak up.

Instead, everybody who doesn't work for the FBI, CIA, NSA or SEC should say so.

Also tell us if it bothers you that your savings are depreciating at 3-5% per year, and whether you know that your pensions from the Federal Government will never payout what they've promised you? We're good listeners, please speak freely on your concerns.

I have a buddy that works for the NSA, but I think he like checks bags at the airport, I could get him to hop on here if you want.

You mean TSA


lul whut?

No he supervises them, although he might just be full of crap and told me NSA to attempt to sound cool.

Why would a cop care about this forum? That's what mods are for. heh

On a forum in our country a reporter was lurking and did a story on one of the users about something. So it is possible.

More fun when you make a game (http://www.google.com/search?q=spot+the+fed) of it.

How do you know there aren't feds who legit use bitcoins because they know too much and want to protect their interest?

The market cap is too low for The Company to care.  We need to grow by a couple of zeros before it will be useful.  I know that isn't what you asked, but still...

There are already government employees with ties to the agencies you listed (but not employees) on the forums and they regularly post. You'll never get a confirmation directly from a federal agent that they are a federal agent because they aren't allowed to do so. FBI agents aren't allowed to have Facebook accounts and NSA agents are required to sign an agreement to let the government tap their phone as a condition of employment and have similar restrictions.

EDIT: Sorry, I should specify you won't get a confirmation from a federal agent in a public sphere, you might get one person-to-person.

I'm not currently in the employ of any agency listed in the title.

I cannot confirm or deny, past employment due to NDA's.

Plus also your forgetting the most crypto-involved foreign government agency in your list. "The Institute"

You never know if you are in a discussion, or some spook is profiling you!

My forum name is what my NSA sid used to be (was military but submitted reports reviewed by NSA personnel).  Had TS SCI and worked in a SCIF.  It's not that interesting and nobody should really care unless the person is a high level policy maker or can influence them and you won't hear from those people here.

... so we are playing spot the spook now?

I thought there were laws that public officials acting in official capacity have to make themselves known when asked ... or is it just a crypto-police state, not a real one?

Anyone currently holding a clearance cannot, or are strongly advised against revealing such in a public forum. Many will list it on their resume but they are told they should not do so.

Having a clearance means that you get to do what other companies have outsourced but get paid like people did before their jobs were outsourced.

As for what those agencies would likely be doing as far as Bitcoins go...they would likely be paying more attention to the actual code and checking for flaws or ways to use it to track what they need to track.

There was another thread which posted a job listing down here at MacDill AFB which was seeking an analyst with some financial background as well as knowledge of Bitcoin and Second Life currency. It also wanted someone who spoke some Arab language. This means that they would like to see how those in the middle east are moving money around. Or maybe they have already determined it and need to track it.

I do not work directly for any of the agencies you listed.

In the unlikely event that an employee of one of these agencies decided it was time to stop lurking, register, and post in this thread, they wouldn't be able to until after they got out of the newbie area.

If you are really serious, you'll want to move this thread to the newbie forum.

I'm a janitor at CIA Langley. ask me anything.

Does the CIA use charmin or scotts tp?

This thread is useless, they'll be stuck in the newbe section anyway

that's confidential

What did you do with your TS SCI?  What is SCIF?  Feel free to explain the acronyms.  TS SCI = Top Secret SCI???

List of U.S. security clearance terms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._security_clearance_terms#Security_levels

Confirmed.  This is why you always ask the guy selling you drugs if he is a cop three times, like in the movies.

A SCIF is a "Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility", in my case it was an underground compound where military intelligence of all branches went to work alongside contractors.

TS = Top Secret

SCI = Secret Compartmented Information - Been awhile but basically I remember this being explained as an access control system where the information is compartmentalized so that fewer people have access to the big picture.  That way likely multiple sources would need to be compromised to get a full top down view of the project or whatever.

Here is a declassified description of my job title and duties: http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/afjob1n2x1.htm

I will say this... it wasn't as exciting as it sounded when I enlisted by a long shot.

Hello, you are correct. We are reading these forums, and many of us have already been registered for quite some time. Many of us are here just to play around with some BTC personally, and a few to monitor the situation. Just kidding, the U.S gov anyway has very little interest in Bitcoins or your play money scams. The people who are saying OH NO! The $10,000 drug market is going to ruin BTC! Eh, no. Why chase people back and forth and waste the energy and resources, when we could just sit at the U.S boarders, and snag over $60 Million in drugs per day? I will say, a lot of Gov employees use Bitcoins, not to launder or anything, just because a large majority of them are techy, and bitcoins are interesting and useful for techy stuff.

Not entirely kidding,

SaltySpitoon

The agency wont care about bitcoin until it becomes large enough to laundry all their cocaine income.

They dont call it the Cocaine Import Agency for nothing.

haha, poor guys. Unlike the rest of us who could never be wiretapped without a warrent...  ::)

The Game.  You lose.  ;D

The idea that an officer or other public official must identify themself if asked is a myth propagated by undercover cops.

The only thing i would expect in this area is some sort of provocation to members who are investigated for any reason to reveal more personal information which could lead to a real identity.
There is no reason for any autorithy to give a statements or comment on anything in here, the only comment id expect is another fbi report on the current state of bitcoin as the last report.

At least here in the U.S. cops are allowed to lie to you. That's pretty well known.

As far as "spot the fed", a few years ago at PorcFest there was a guy that just didn't seem to fit in and a few of the folks decided he must be a fed. He got followed around and it seemed to me to be blown out of proportion. The next year there were people walking around with t-shirts that said "I'm a fed" on the front and "Don't you wish it was that easy?" on the back.

One friend of mine suggested that if they really wanted to infiltrate a group like that (largely male and geeky) the best thing to do would be to send in a young female.

Who says they have to be a fed at all?

A lot of electronic intelligence action happens at private contractors, I wager.

The only female here that ever got my attention was the one that showed her vagina to everyone willing enough to send her bitcoins. if government agents were to run tactics like that, I'd consider them part of the movement rather than infiltrators.

Who you gonna call... ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9We2XsVZfc

like Dunvegan Space Systems for example?

Full disclosure: cbeast is my codename at the DoD - Department of Defiance.

I'm a snitch and will talk just for the attention.   I'll tell you anything.  Except how bitcoins work, I don't really understand that.

Disclaimer: I don't know much at all so most of my information is made up.

NSA was hiring at defcon.... not contract but full salary.

They prefer to keep intelligence inhouse, however they do outsource pentesting on their own network.

The best (most effective) pentesting gets done for "free" of course.

Just get a second phone   ::)

Not when it comes to three letter government agencies.  Anyone with the skill to pentest them wouldn't be risking the trouble it could bring when they could contact the organizations and get paid a lot of money to do it with permission.

That was my exact thought. Why would they even need to ask...

... you mean those TLAs that 'always' ask for permission before sticking their code into other people's boxes? Do they pay in btc I wonder?

Good for the goose is good for the gander.

They print their own money, why would they ever pay in another currency?

You are wrong. If it's true that SilkRoad holds some half million in BTC and Bitcoin were to gain traction and take off publicly they'd be holding a significant portion of the global capital available. And that would eventually make them one of the most powerful entities in the world.
I think it's naive to believe the government has no real interest in Bitcoin, they are no stupider than me or some other folks who saw the true potential in the very beginning. My guess is they're either in high alert mode and have been for a long time (only you don't really see or hear any of it) or they are shitting bricks. Or both.

Or they're joining in on the business.

Being a government employee like you say doesn't mean you know what the government is really doing. After all, you're just an employee.

Be wise they should join the business as an additional tool for all ;D!

I have had to sign NDA's for secure work involving the military. I can't tell you what for, but I can say that not every secret is sexy. Whoever really buys toilet paper at Langley would get canned for saying what brand they use, even though no one cares.
It was put to me this way: The new paradigm is; "I could tell you, but I would have to sue you."

Not all companies will make you sign NDAs like the government, but most will have policies in place barring employee's from disclosing such information.  One big reason for this is social engineering.  Once you've gained enough information about an organization, even if it seems like it is insignificant, this can be used to gain more information from employees and managers.  Simply calling up and pretending to be a janitorial supply company verifying an "order" or other information, you can gather email address', usernames, staffing times, the possibilities are limitless, then you call later from another "company" if need be to gather further information.

Gavin Andreesen is a CIA operative/extra-terrestrial and he posts on the forums all the time.

Here's a fun one for ya. The CIA invites Gavin to speak, then within 4 months the Silk Road appears. I'm the original person to suggest that Bitcoin would be great for CIA agents to get money to agents (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.msg97439#msg97439), but they'd need to "clean" their coin just as those who avoid the FBI, ATF, and DEA ire would need to. Intelligence agencies aren't exactly buddy-buddy, even after the Department of Homeland Security. Also, governments aren't necessarily the problem, it's always ultimately been the banking industry. Though I would argue that while the Drug War exists, a lot of good people are getting hurt for stupid reasons.

Yeah, the CIA is so independent it's pretty much running a show of its own. Although they do control many state governments behind the scenes. Ask Jesse Ventura about his CIA interrogations as Governor.

ФCБ officer here. Selling vodka for bitcoins!
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTv3z3hIXAM1O-Ex2jAbIvcBKGDZLW1O8SUtxrwwTQiY68MMbZfgw

A nice little song....  ;D

I moved out to Langley recently
With a plain and simple dream;
Wanna infiltrate some third-world place
And topple their regime.

Those men in black with their matching suitcases;
Where everything's on a need-to-know basis;
Agents got that swagger;
Everyone's so cloak and dagger.

I'm feelin' nervous but I'm really kinda wishing
For an undercover mission

That's when the red alert came on the radio
And I put my earpiece on!
Got my dark sunglasses on!
And I had my weapon drawn!

So I get my handcuffs,
My cyanide pills,
My classified dossier!

Tappin' the phones like yeah, shreddin' the files like yeah,
Memorized all the enemy spies I've got to neutralize today.

Yeeeaaahhh, it's a party in the CIA!
Yeeeaaahhh, it's a party in the CIA!

I've done a couple of crazy things that have almost gotten me dismissed,
Like terminate some head of state who wasn't even on my list.

Burn that microfilm buddy, will you,
I'd tell you why but then I'd have to kill you!

You need a quickie confession?
Well, start a waterboardin' session!

No hurry on this south American dictator
I'll assassinate him later
That's when he walked right in my laser sights,
And my silencer was on,
And my silencer was on,
And another target's gone!

Yeah, we've got our black ops all over the world, from Kazakhstan to Bombay;
Payin' the bribes like yeah, pluggin' the leaks like yeah;
Interrogating the scum of the earth, we'll break them by the break of day!

Yeeeaaahhh, it's a party in the CIA!
Yeeeaaahhh, it's a party in the CIA!

Need a country destabilized?
Look no further, we're your guys!
We've got snazzy suits and ties,
And a better dental plan than the FBI's!

Better put your hands up and get in the van,
Or else you'll get blown away!
Stagin' a coup like yeah,
Brainwashin' moles like yeah,
We only torture the folks we don't like,
You're probably gonna be OK!

Yeeeaaahhh, it's a party in the CIA!
Yeeeaaahhh, it's a party in the CIA!

A nice little video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-CG5w4YwOI)...

I wonder how many watch lists I'm still on..  ::)