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Norwegian police and tax authorities is not happy about the possibility for buying anonymous payment cards in kiosks:

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It's funny that it never occured to this individual that this may not be a problem, but that the problem actually is the tracking of money, and the restrictions of free trade. It's very political correct in Norway to always abide to the establishment.


The last bold statement. Anyone using payment cards issued abroad, should know that ATM's have video surveilance, and thus take appropriate measures to avoid detection. If you withdraw a lot of money in your closest ATM for a long time, you will get visits from the police/tax authorities.

Wigs and beards ;)

I have a real hair like Rasputin and beard like Osama bin Laden. What should I wear to appear bald?

Maybe bike helmet will do the job when cashing out cards.

You should consider hats and sunglasses. Maybe a large brimmed hat, specially for ATM use?  8)

Many ATM machines here have a hidden camera that looks from down to up. Just look for black window somewhere on ATM machine, use strong light source to shine it trough and take look at that webcam sucker.

The prepaid credit cards are used for small purchases, they have very limited maximum amount of money on them and have very expensive fees. Serious money launderers don't use them. This Norwegian panic over anonymous and untraceable gift cards are caused by controlfags.

Not in America? When I go to the ATM, I have a bunch of cards, sometimes I take out $4,000-$5,000 between several different pre-paid bank cards at a time. I don't have a pattern, usually its the same ATM, but others its because of convenience.
I've yet to have the police at my door.

Norway has too few users, and too many tax employees. :)

Have a runner do it for you maybe? 

How would they know how to locate you, other than staking out the ATM hoping you'll be back eventually?

Humans have a tendency for establishing patterns, even without noticing it themselves. But of course this is hardly a problem if no one is looking for you.

I remember one case where a MLM dude (WGI) making a lot of money internationally got local authorities on his door after using many cards connected to foreign accounts to withdraw cash. I don't know exactly how they spotted him. Perhaps his name was on some of the cards, or perhaps they spotted him on video and already had his pic. Anyway, he was caught and they demanded a lot of money that they claimed he'd not paid, as he'd not stated this income on his tax return. I'm not sure of this, but I think there are systems in place that monitor the usage of credit cards here in Norway, so if there are some 'interesting' patterns detected, it may trigger an investigation.

Found one today. Hidden in plain sight.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7233/atmcam.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/atmcam.jpg/)

Good one! Now get 150mW green laser from Bitcoin Lasers and show that camera who is the boss!

- or a strategically placed sticker ;)

Laser is more high-tech and permanent solution to this guy
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jamespoulos/files/2012/03/1984-movie-bb2_a.jpg

I really dislike the fact that I'm filmed every time I use my own credit card in ATM. But I would not care if I ever might use some other dudes plastic because then I will be wearing ski mask http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_luxclnIvUy1qc327qo1_r2_500.jpg

Surveillance does not solve the problem of crime. It only destroys privacy.

Anyone selling Big Brother stickers? You got a great slogan.

^^This.

Also I wonder if there's any detection of hampering with the cam, if you disable it, will you still be able to get the money, or will it swallow your card ?

I usually cover the camera and no problems at all. The image processing is not so advanced that it can recognize that something is going with the camera.

If someone can make the sticker with this BigBrother picture and "Surveillance does not solve the problem of crime. It only destroys privacy." slogan, I will stick it to any ATM camera I came across.

By doing that you may trigger a response from people who run the ATMs.  They may deem tampering with cameras a problem and put some sort of detection system in newer models.  Better to stay low profile and cover the camera I think.

The problem is not the camera when cashing out. The problem is that the cameras are recording every law abiding citizen when they withdraw their own money! They are not going to cover the camera every time.

The advanced methods will come anyway. The lowlifes running the ATM must do something to justify their existence and will code a detection algorithm sooner or later even without no cameras being tampered at all.

It's like modern medicine, you can't fix the problem by striking at the symptoms.  If you want to change it you have to go after the root cause.  What is the cause in this case?  I don't think it's people stealing money.

But if the root cause is incurable cancer and the symptom is pain then I think it's OK to use painkillers.

Root cause for surveillance is government and zionists trying to control every move and every penny. There is no cure for that. Zyklon-B was found to be ineffective and now they have resistance developed against it.

Someone might think and genuinely believe that surveillance can catch criminals. Sometimes they catch some newbie or drug addict but this is where it stops. They don't understand that erosion of privacy itself is a crime against nation!

The root cause of crime is people.

People that conduct crime usually do so for various reasons. Giving humans a good platform when growing up, thus instilling god moral and values, ie. having loving and good parents, and having great schooling, will make for a better society, than great social differences, and a lot of poverty etc.. That's a breeding ground for crime.

So giving opportunities to everyone,and creating a better society, is a better solution than to add all this surveillance shit.

If there's no hampering detection in ATM cam's at the moment, there surely will be in the future, and then you card will probably be confiscated citing 'security reasons'. Perhaps just leaning at the cam, holding over it would be a good idea. :)