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I interviewed Toni Lane Casserly of Coin Telegraph for our blog, and I thought that she had some really interesting & thought-provoking ideas on Bitcoin & world peace:

"For the first time in our lives, we are actually able to define the way we think about politics, about logic, about money, about value… I saw this as a model for the next stage of the world, one that promotes both peace and a broader sense of equality. In doing so, I believe we can begin to create a more humanitarian planet who focuses on the success of the individual, while also building strong communities and cultures around Bitcoin or alternative systems of logic that can be controlled by people who are adding value, not by people who are using the system to manipulate others. With inventions like this, these inventions of abundance, the idea of world peace is not actually a dream but a very possible reality."

I was wondering what people thought of her ideas on inventions like Bitcoin leading to the attainability of world peace. What do you think?

Here's the full interview, if you're curious - click! (http://blog.coincafe.com/2015/08/04/toni-lane-casserly/)

When Bitcoin is primarily used by machines and they use the funds to wipe us out and replace us with androids, then we'll have world peace. Until then it'll change nothing at a primal level.

wars and battles were never about money..
its about the idiots in control who order people to fight other people for natural resources

Money can't make world peace, it's just improving the economy system.


Agree. Peoples are too easily provoked, especially about religion.

money like bitcoins can make peace in the world if they will be used in the right way, everything is possible while theres no too much greed from the people who own the biggest amounts of money

It can't bring peace... But it can definitely help mitigate minor conflicts and doubts about money usage by big companies/governments.

bitcoin has the potential to make lots of changes in the world, but will it bring piece to the world? surely not, unfortunately. it is what it is.

Wars are mainly created by conflict of interests. But don't be fooled that big money have no part in war. Of course we fight for money. I need to remind everyone that America earned more money during
War World II that in all years of existence before war combined. After WW2 there was the greatest period of prosperity in the history of US. And no, bitcoin can't end wars more like cause additional ones.

But natural resources IS money...

bitcoin is not some magical cure to all of the world's problems. It's silly to even contemplate that bitcoin could bring about world peace.

"So long as there are men, there will be wars." -Albert Einstein

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Well it clearly proves a point that as long as humans exists, there will be conflicts and whatnot, usually starting from ideologies, different disputes and conflicting ideas. Bitcoin has nothing to do with world peace, it's just a financial instrument that people can use to somehow free themselves from the oppression of the banks and the governments. Bitcoin is a tool, yes, but not a tool to save the world or help the world attain global peace.

its never been about religion either..
stop snorting the media stories.. they weakening your mind.

in 1918-1925 britain and france took control of the middle east.. stealing all the oil. later america joined in...
now the middle east has had enough of it, and want their land back. the only bit that has anything related to religion is the bit that stealing and trespassing is wrong. and so that is why media says its a religious war because the natives quote that stealing and trespassing is wrong..

media want people to concentrate on the religion and not the trespass/theft of natural resources.

its like saying incest is a christian religious cause, simply because in the bible adam and eves kids went around fucking their cousins..
its like saying driveby's are caused by games like GTA..

its all an excuse to hide the true cause

Since the distribution of bitcoin is more unfair than any other currency it is more likely to create more wars. It is a pure rich get richer scheme and someday the poor regions of the world have had enough of it.

money is the government controlled stuff.. (fiat)
but
commodities, assets, natural resources can be classed as currency.. not money

I agree a little bit about the religion part. Remember the times when the Christians are battling against the Muslims in the so-called "Holy Crusade"? They are fighting for their faith, when in reality they can still be living side by side and respect each other's faith. Utter nonsense in today's standards, but it is written in history. Nowadays, faith is almost set aside as being one of the reasons of a war. The most reasons for a war to break are money, territory, and resources. If you want to survive, you need to have territory and resources, and to accommodate a nation's growing population, you must either reduce the supplies you give to your citizens or you find something in which you can gather more resources to cater your citizen's needs, and that's one of the reasons I can think of why nations turn to war.

lol holy crusade wasnt religious either.. neither was the battles in ireland done by the IRA.. it was all about a land grab.. the only reason people say its about religion is because they highlight the differences so that it separates them from the other side to not feel empathy as they steal the land.

What are your thoughts on a solution to this issue? Do you believe that there is one?

the distribution is not the fault of the protocol. its the fault of users handing the funds to central parties (exchanges) who then reach a point where they get so greedy they fake a hack and keep it..

no protocol can stop greed

lol yes, that sounds about right.. :D

Hmm... it really does.  :-[

In answer to the OP - no! I doubt we'll ever have world peace. Not in my lifetime any way. There are too many violent groups of people fighting for power & too many lunatics seduced by religion, false prophets & God's. The world is a mess & that's one thing that bitcoin (money) won't be able to change.

No, I think that bitcoin can bring about financial freedom.
World peace is something else entirely, and does not depend on material things or finances.
The main reasons for the wars in history were completely different: the fight for the territory of others, ideological conflicts or religious / racial hatred.
I don't think that bitcoin can help with that.

There is no progress in ethics.

Not really, but if governments used BTC (which will never be IMHO) we could possibly "follow the money" and learn a lot about what is really happening in regard to world conflicts.
Who profits, etc....

I am not convinced that Bitcoin by itself can bring about world peace. At most, a truly anonymous cryptocurrency and/or Blockchain application might make it easier for people to move assets in a way that's harder for governments to detect and seize (the most recent case I've heard of being $205,000 in cash seized from a rapper called Snoop Dogg (http://www.inquisitr.com/2304897/snoop-dogg-lost-200000-of-his-422000-at-italian-airport/).)

There is a solution to all problems but are we who are born in the rich part of the world willing to sacrifice a lot of our wealth? Most people on the earth today dont have computers and are left out of modern economy. Both fiat and crypto. A new currency makes no difference to them.

We are seeing some signs of what the future will bring with all the refugees coming in to Europe now. More and more will come and if we stop them they might use force to get in.

If a new crypto currency should be able to help people to get a better life and redistribute wealth it would have to be made different. No high payouts to the early adapters like the way bitcoin was. That only make a very few people rich and the rest has to fight over scraps.

This is a really interesting idea to me, and it would be fascinating if it did play out this way in the future. Thanks for bringing up this point! Definitely something to think about...

If you give people free money they will crash the economy. Source: Auroracoin. The Bitcoin model is better because it rewards people that took high risks. What poor countries need is getting based resources covered and getting banked with Bitcoin so they can develop into something productive.

no. abseloutely no. why?
we know world peace just not about the money, but about heart, religion, people, argumentation.
and ego one person and each other...
everyone doesnt need money too, but happynest too.. real life is an important to thinks... and  education,,

Hm, interesting responses! I think some people are looking at the question a little too literally, and that might be my fault for how I phrased it in the post title. I think what Casserly was saying in that quote is that inventions like Bitcoin could bring about world peace - not just Bitcoin on its own. I believe she was referring to any & all future inventions that place power (or simply freedom) back in the hands of the citizens.

From the quote: "alternative systems of logic that can be controlled by people who are adding value, not by people who are using the system to manipulate others"

Do you think that systems LIKE Bitcoin could bring us closer to world peace? Or is it still a completely unattainable idea no matter what, as long as humans are around?

Im not sure if it could bring literally "world peace", but it could surely stop governments from funding illegal wars and endless corruption which returns in war. If goverment was under a transparency policy where the public money was always seen on the blockchain all of the corruption would be vanished. Things like this are the positive aspects of BTC that can make for a better ran society.

if cryptocurrencies someday dissolve nation states, it could end war profiteering.
So yes, I think it could theoretically do so.  But probably not in my lifetime.

I don't see how these two are connected or could be connected !!!  :-\

Yeah, I agree, don't see how it could bring peace, but the transparency could indeed bring clarity about money usage by big companies.
Only if Bitcoin evolves into something more than it is now, I'd still consider Bitcoin something -not ready for the public/masses- due to the learning curve involved with figuring out how to use bitcoin.

i think it won't and actually it will bring more combat cause you can buy firearms with bitcoin anonymously , legally and illegally

I don't see any link between world peace and bitcoin. Bitcoin is a just a money and money never bring peace instead it will be more problems. Just think you got lot of money but no food to eat, can you leave peacefully?

Those who believe Bitcoin is the solution to all the world’s woes are setting themselves up for disappointment. War existed before fiat currencies, and war will exist without fiat currencies. While we like to think of ourselves as civilized creatures, we often find ourselves unable or unwilling to solve our problems without having to resort to war.
What Bitcoin can do, though, is reduce a government’s ability to go to war. If a government is unable to print off new money in order to fund a war effort, they would be forced to rely on their reserves. This would make the decision to go to war a far more difficult one, not only for governments but also for the common people.

In a perfect world, where people do not convert BTC to fiat, the governments and the powers behind them, cannot manipulate the value of your money, as they are doing now with fiat. They also cannot control

the flow of money between nations. This is how power is controlled over citizens in many countries. Bitcoin could make it easier for poor people to trade with everyone, and not just with the people they are

forced to trade with. Countries will always be at war, because resources like food, water, land and minerals will become a issue as their population grows, and Bitcoin cannot solve that issue.

We will always find a reason to fight, because we are different in many ways.  :(

Bitcoin cannot bring world peace.
That was not what it was designed to do.
There will never be world peace, not unless the entire planet is threatened by aliens, and even then, there will be arguements of who gets to represent the world.

 Though Bitcoins own more advantages than the current sovereign currencies and has won the embrace of some common publics, its vital disadvantages exists.It is the deadliest defect that Bitcoins are not protected by law.

That is a very valid reason, you are correct its not only about the money, there are many things that are more important as compared to money and need to be taken care of, and bitcoins is just fulfilling individual's dreams and cannot contribute to world peace.

Is this not to excessive?
Although, I think the main problem of world peace is about money. So if we can change how we think about money, maybe we can bring a World PEACE.
Cos corruption is the worst problem here, but Money can't rule The World. >:(

No, it will never be able to bring world peace.
Basically it is a currency and currency don't make world peaceful, the rich get richer and poor get poorer and that increases the differences between poor and rich people and there comes hatred between them and world peace get destroyed.

I guess some people see the connection as this: innovations like cryptocurrency take certain powers away from the governments and place certain powers into the hands of the people. Although, I'd have to agree that wars aren't started just because of governments.

Yes, it would create an individual differences within the people, and surely it won't contribute anything towards world peace, I don't understand what is the relation or connection between bitcoins and world peace, and it would never contribute towards economy of the country as it is decentralised and no one has control over it.

World peace? Who knows...but Bitcoin does help me sleep better at night knowing its a good alternative to the usd! So happy I'm aware and not in the dark about bitcoins! newbie ;)

yup that's right.
Poor people will never know about Bitcoin and who knows about it will never be able to get it.
But for rich people Bitcoin is just another thing to play with.

Noble peace prize for Satoshi?  ;D

On a serious note, as long as lunatics abound, you won't have world peace, Gold couldn't end wars; and neither will bitcoin.

no, because btc can not eliminate every single war hungry politician in existence.  That would be the only way to create world peace, because as it currently is, politicians (especially US ones) do not want an end to war.

Every day they find a new way to justify their wars, and use scare tactics to keep people thinking they are necessary.  I've noticed that they do that a lot, always justify their actions by saying war is going to happen if they dont do this or dont bomb here.  Its sickening really.

if there is a war, we need the money or property that can be taken anywhere, bitcoin can be used, the gold may not be

yup, this!

World peace, of what? this, LoL!

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If it is true that money is the root of all evil and bitcoin is money then this cannot be true. Whether the currency is physical or not is irrelevant. You could argue that it's actually the greed and power that cause war and terrorism. BTC is just another type of money for the power hungry to use as a symbol of status.

the bit coin started too much into crime traficc and guns even try out of nucleas bomobs doing uranium buy and drugs but now its more relaiable into good things a nd good porducts the over 4 billion dollars that they worth and can be more activity peace into this

So then what are wars about then when not about money? Why do you think these iditos create wars for natural ressources? It is because of money. Everytime. Even the IS started as a gang of thugs with religious painting so they could attract followers. They still do so but in reality they are a business. I have heard you even can invest in them and take part in rewards coming from their cruel deeds. I don't know where i have read that anymore though.

Opposite, I think Bitcoin could bring about world war.  ;D

As long as there are different skin colors, languages, cultures, and religions , there's not even the slightest chance for world peace. I almost believe that
people are generally unable to live in peace for a longer period of time, like it was embedded into our DNA to be idiots, atleast from time to time.

Bitcoin, however well thought and practical, can not be used to bring peace alone, because it can only be universal currency, but all other differences will still remain, leading individuals into conflict once again.

cheers

According to a scientific article that I once read, the angst that we feel towards other people is genetically embedded. It is a part of our being, and that's the reason why we human beings have this what we called "survival instinct." If the events forces us to kill, we, as a slave of our genes, kill. I believe that there will be some kind of utopia even in the distant future. It just won't happen.

Bitcoin on the other side however, will not in any way bring peace to this planet. Well it is another kind of property that a human could possess, and history can provide us a lot of definite examples of how properties caused major conflicts in the past (territorial lands are part of properties, right?) As long as the concept of money exists, there will be no world peace. People why try and try to gain more of it, and if the events forced people to kill in order to gain more of it, he/she/they will be once again be a slave of their own genetic code.

There are many fraud cases in bitcoin, black market using bitcoin, or people who feel depressed because lost in gambling. I dont think bitcoin could bring peace. Its totally depend on human as its user.

I think not, bitcoin currency only internet world
if bitcoin can bring peace means the dollar could also

Yes it can never bring world peace, but yes it can bring the revolution as internet did in the past, it is just a currency and it should be treated as currency, no need to have extra expectations from bitcoins as it would be foolish to do so, So bitcoin's contribution to bring world peace is something impossible and irrelevant topic to discuss.

No bitcoin will not bring peace to the world. Money is one of the reason why many wars and battles start. Bitcoin is make to take place money. So it is like money.

Hey,  Bitcoin is also a kind of money.
So if money brings world War then Bitcoin will also bring world War.
So definitely Bitcoin will be the reason for world War 3.

depending on how you use it
if it's with good intentions, maybe it could happen  :)

but the difference is that bitcoin is a global currency so in theory it should unify the world and destroy the differences, also it can work as a good way for poor countries, if they adopt it as their main currency, because they can take advantage of its high price thanks to other country and be healthy again, i think it could bring a transitory peace if this happen

World peace will never arrive as long as one can make profit out of it. So as long as a monetary system exists, be it fiat, gold or Bitcoin, wars will exist. World peace is impossible unless the society is advanced enough to not need any monetary system to begin with.

Bitcoin just like another currency that can be use as investation or purchasing something.
As long as currency exist, there will be no peace ( Ex : Greece Crisis )

No one cant guarantee us if bitcoin change fiat, it can make this world be healthier. If bitcoin is adopted as main currency, the scamming, war, robbing, corruption, bribing, etc still happen, because bitcoin is a currency. People will do anything to get it, no matter what the effect he will give is for his surroundings.

True, but at least illegally founded wars will be more difficult if the goverment is forced to show their public money movements over the blockchain, but because of this I doubt they will want to accept BTC as the official currency, because it would show their scams too much.

Bitcoin can never replace fiat, as the government would not support bitcoins and they would really won't happen it possible that any crypto replaces their printed currency on which they have total control, and talking about the world peace, history says that where there is money involved in anything it has only entertained the fights, wars etc. so even bitcoins will do the same.

I partly agree with you but I think that virtual money will be our future soon, but this will be virtual money created or under strict control of some government agency.
Bitcoin will always be alternative currency but never fully accepted by the authorities.
Money itself is not good or bad, by people decides if they will use money for good or bad purpose.
So, only we, people, can create peace, no money, technology, bitcoin etc.

To me, if gold didn't bring world peace, then neither will bitcoin. Although world peace would be nice.

bitcoin could certainly be a part of world peace and maybe even contribute to world peace but bitcoin alone couldn't do it.  World peace will take severe ideological changes and more trust in the younger generation from the older generation.  I firmly believe that we are progressing towards a more peaceful world as it is.  I think we are witnessing the death throws of violent culture.  ISIS is a good example of last ditch efforts to rule by violence but they will not succeed in the long run.

Right, Whenever we talk about money there are many things associated with, like fights, jealousy, family members are fighting with each other for the sake of the property, and bitcoins is also money so same would go with bitcoins in future, People will fight for bitcoins and no currency can bring world peace for sure, world peace can be done by mutual understanding of individuals.

there's nothing peaceful on getting money just the factor that money put us less nervous and so on but peace its just for the most big sharks of the BTC  gather they have for common guy its the battle of survivor for just 1BTC

it can't legitimately bring peace because it makes no sense to world peace.
at least we would have the economic freedom.

to become world peace seems too far, but indirectly it could possibly help make it happen.

No it can't. Because there are several reasons why war takes place. Often it is because of different religions, political views or events which had happened in the past between two or more parties.
Bitcoin even will not be able to stop poverty in the world. But it can help to reduce the exploitation from the incumbent financial institutions.

I don't see how world peace would ever be achieved so I certainly don't think bitcoin will achieve that, but it certainly has potential to liberate a lot of people from economic slavery or at least save them a lot of money that otherwise would go to banks and extortionate payment processors.

Yeah it will also cure cancer  ::)

As long as there are humans, there will be greed.
As long as there is greed, there will be wars.

my question, how does it work (bitcoin) can help to reduce the exploitation from the incumbent financial institutions.?
thx

Yeah thats a good point.
There is still a bad thing beside the goods, so if there is a thing that could bring peace, then a opposite thing will be appear to make war. We can say bitcoin is the good thing, and human is the bad one.

Well I think bitcoin can make peace in the world, however, is the currency bitcoin, we can help someone with the money we have  :)

No it can't bring world peace. Has money ever brought any type of peace for anybody.

Yes, money always bring more problems than peace. More money  means more problems.

I think yes. Every people love money, especially bitcoin that have high price. That's why i think bitcoin can make world peace. But the price itself will go down because many people will have bitcoin if every people have bitcoin or can go high.

Loving money is not a thing that can bring peace for this world, even if it has highest price. I think with high price, money just be a thing that make people will do anything even bad deeds like robbing or killing to get it. No matter what the kind of money we using is, world peace just become a delusional thing.

Yes bro. More money gives more problems.

And along with money there comes greed, the more the money you get, the more greed comes with it.

Yes, Bitcoin can never bring world peace.
Basically it is a form of money and money makes differences between individuals, and by which comes fights and wars.

If we want to bring world peace then we have to forget differences and accept each other and treat others equally.

I'm 100% agree with you, especially Bitcoin, it's limited when the price is to the moon when the people is not easy to earn anymore, various problems will come alternately.

in short bitcoin will not bring world peace  ;D
being anonymous in bitcoin will make a lot of problem in goverment

Yes, government always want to disrupt our privacy.
They don't have anything to do, just stand outside someone's house and keep a track of him and in worst cases, they also tap your phones.

Very philosophical thoughts. No one was gone so away with their thoughts about bitcoin. I think that he has exaggerated a little because bitcoin has not all those qualities. The world is governed by very other things and it will not be bitcoins which will change that. Any how bitcoin is a tool of peace - for this is no doubt - and never will cause a war. This is for sure.

money can not make peace, do you think the state of war because the money? you are wrong, when the people love money, does not mean money can make peace in the world, because the two are different

Bitcoin will most likely not to bring peace but war or disputes. Bitcoin may be one of the best technology invented in the 2000s. However, as time go on, technology become more powerful - China just invented an AI doctor, drones is getting smaller etc. With that saying, Bitcoin is very vulnerable to hackers. Hackers and developers will be having "programming wars" in the far future.