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Title: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: RawDog on August 18, 2015, 07:21:16 PM
Here comes the fork!  The first miner running opposition software XT was mined.  This is going to be messy.
http://xtnodes.com/ (http://xtnodes.com/)


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: Brad Harrison on August 18, 2015, 07:22:37 PM
I am not seeing anything on that site


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: awemany on August 18, 2015, 07:24:15 PM
Cool! Lets see how long this thread stays up. See you on /r/Bitcoin_uncensored and /r/BitcoinXT ...


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: shorena on August 18, 2015, 07:25:10 PM
I am not seeing anything on that site

Needs java script enabled. I made a screenshot.

https://i.imgur.com/AuXmaOL.png


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: RawDog on August 18, 2015, 07:25:33 PM
I am not seeing anything on that site
Open your eyes like mine.  (see Profile pic) then go back and look again.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: forlackofabettername on August 18, 2015, 07:27:29 PM
Could have been a notXT miner too...


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: RoadTrain on August 18, 2015, 07:31:21 PM
I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on August 18, 2015, 07:33:53 PM
I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.

So it's not an XT block, it's just another bitcointalk.org 'Gavin-ista' trying his best to spread a bit of FUD on the forum?


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: meono on August 18, 2015, 07:35:27 PM
Slushpool BitcoinXT voting :

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/comments/3hf1bg/you_will_be_able_to_vote_about_xt_with_your/


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: Brad Harrison on August 18, 2015, 07:36:49 PM
I am not seeing anything on that site

Needs java script enabled. I made a screenshot.

https://i.imgur.com/AuXmaOL.png

Thank you


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: knight22 on August 18, 2015, 07:42:59 PM
History is unfolding. Popcorn time  ;D


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: meono on August 18, 2015, 07:45:50 PM
To follow bitcoinXT, read : https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/

No need to keep watching for random thread on here.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: Alley on August 18, 2015, 07:47:49 PM
None of it matters till January.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: meono on August 18, 2015, 07:48:04 PM
I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.

So it's not an XT block, it's just another bitcointalk.org 'Gavin-ista' trying his best to spread a bit of FUD on the forum?

Why do ppl here always take some post as fact without even checking it first?

This is why the FUD against BitcoinXT went out of control here.



Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: turvarya on August 18, 2015, 07:55:55 PM
I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.

So it's not an XT block, it's just another bitcointalk.org 'Gavin-ista' trying his best to spread a bit of FUD on the forum?

Why do ppl here always take some post as fact without even checking it first?

This is why the FUD against BitcoinXT went out of control here.


I don't really understand this.
Is 536870919 the version number for BIP101. If not, what would be the right version number?


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: unamis76 on August 18, 2015, 07:57:31 PM
Good news! Let's see how does this unfold.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: meono on August 18, 2015, 07:57:42 PM
I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.

So it's not an XT block, it's just another bitcointalk.org 'Gavin-ista' trying his best to spread a bit of FUD on the forum?

Why do ppl here always take some post as fact without even checking it first?

This is why the FUD against BitcoinXT went out of control here.


I don't really understand this.
Is 536870919 the version number for BIP101. If not, what would be the right version number?

This is Slushpool setup right now :

Quote
It's a little tricky, so here's a more in depth explanation:

    There are 2 mining urls, vanilla and XT.
    Both serve stratum shares, as usual.
    Vanilla has block version 3, XT has block version 0x20000007. Nothing else is different.
    Shares are valid and shared across the pool.

It won't work after the split. But if the split happens, slush would move everyone to the new branch.

Until then it works great. And we've got at least 4 months before the split.



Version: 536870919(10) = 0x20000007 (hex)

Hope that answers your question.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ashour on August 18, 2015, 08:07:36 PM
Here comes the fork!  The first miner running opposition software XT was mined.  This is going to be messy.
http://xtnodes.com/ (http://xtnodes.com/)

Interesting to see how things will develop after that. The whole bitcoin vs bitcoin XT debate will get messy.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: meono on August 18, 2015, 08:11:12 PM
Here comes the fork!  The first miner running opposition software XT was mined.  This is going to be messy.
http://xtnodes.com/ (http://xtnodes.com/)

Interesting to see how things will develop after that. The whole bitcoin vs bitcoin XT debate will get messy.

I disagree when the majority choose to fork, we wont have 2 chains as many ppl believe.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: RoadTrain on August 18, 2015, 08:14:15 PM
I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.

So it's not an XT block, it's just another bitcointalk.org 'Gavin-ista' trying his best to spread a bit of FUD on the forum?

Why do ppl here always take some post as fact without even checking it first?

This is why the FUD against BitcoinXT went out of control here.


I don't really understand this.
Is 536870919 the version number for BIP101. If not, what would be the right version number?
I believe the version number for BIP101 is 4. But if that site only checks if it's higher than 3, then 536870919 fits as well, though not being an XT block. That's a theory, though.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ashour on August 18, 2015, 08:16:56 PM
Here comes the fork!  The first miner running opposition software XT was mined.  This is going to be messy.
http://xtnodes.com/ (http://xtnodes.com/)

Interesting to see how things will develop after that. The whole bitcoin vs bitcoin XT debate will get messy.

I disagree when the majority choose to fork, we wont have 2 chains as many ppl believe.

Well I just hope that things sort out without big drama and pointless arguments that will split the bitcoin community.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: achow101 on August 18, 2015, 08:23:51 PM
I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.

So it's not an XT block, it's just another bitcointalk.org 'Gavin-ista' trying his best to spread a bit of FUD on the forum?

Why do ppl here always take some post as fact without even checking it first?

This is why the FUD against BitcoinXT went out of control here.


I don't really understand this.
Is 536870919 the version number for BIP101. If not, what would be the right version number?
I believe the version number for BIP101 is 4. But if that site only checks if it's higher than 3, then 536870919 fits as well, though not being an XT block. That's a theory, though.
It actually is , which is the hex number 0x20000007 decimal form. see https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki#Deployment for how the deployment plan is to work.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: maokoto on August 18, 2015, 08:26:39 PM
It would be cool to keep this post updated on the succesive amount of blocks mined, to get an idea of where it is going.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: meono on August 18, 2015, 08:30:22 PM
It would be cool to keep this post updated on the succesive amount of blocks mined, to get an idea of where it is going.

Or just go to https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/ and avoid mislead information here.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: unamis76 on August 18, 2015, 08:31:05 PM
It would be cool to keep this post updated on the succesive amount of blocks mined, to get an idea of where it is going.

There's already such thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1153957.0)


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ujka on August 18, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
I believe the version number for BIP101 is 4. But if that site only checks if it's higher than 3, then 536870919 fits as well, though not being an XT block. That's a theory, though.

Is it that hard to read the BIP 101, and then not talk this BS here?


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ujka on August 18, 2015, 09:21:36 PM
Aaannnd... we are in altcoin section! Even if it's valid bitcoin block, in main chain.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: RoadTrain on August 18, 2015, 09:32:16 PM
It actually is , which is the hex number 0x20000007 decimal form. see https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki#Deployment for how the deployment plan is to work.
In fact, I've just found out about that myself, but thanks anyway.

So, Slush is the first.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 09:37:17 PM
Aaannnd... we are in altcoin section! Even if it's valid bitcoin block, in main chain.

We are in the altcoin section because XT is an altcoin.

It's fairly simple:

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ujka on August 18, 2015, 10:09:31 PM
Aaannnd... we are in altcoin section! Even if it's valid bitcoin block, in main chain.

We are in the altcoin section because XT is an altcoin.

It's fairly simple:


Not so simple. That block is in The Blockchain, validated by all nodes, and we are just discussing version numbers.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: toknormal on August 18, 2015, 10:41:07 PM

It's fairly simple:

I suppose if you're someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs and not in cryptocurrency-as-a-monetery-medium then it probably looks "fairly simple".

To anyone who can read, bitcoin is defined by majority miner adoption, not majority business adoption.

Miners will therefore decide what chain is "Bitcoin" (the longest) and markets will decide what it's worth.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 18, 2015, 10:52:05 PM
It's fairly simple:

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.



https://i.imgur.com/EYATiQv.jpg
I suppose if you're someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs and not in cryptocurrency-as-monetery-medium then it probably looks "fairly simple".  >:(

To anyone who can read, bitcoin is defined by majority miner adoption, not majority business adoption.  :'(


Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: cbeast on August 19, 2015, 03:59:35 AM
Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.
Theymos' tactics are unprofessional. Bitcointalk can be dropped as easily as The Bitcoin Foundation. It would be sad, but all things end.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: crazywack on August 19, 2015, 04:18:06 AM
It's fairly simple:

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.



https://i.imgur.com/EYATiQv.jpg
I suppose if you're someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs and not in cryptocurrency-as-monetery-medium then it probably looks "fairly simple".  >:(

To anyone who can read, bitcoin is defined by majority miner adoption, not majority business adoption.  :'(


Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

I have been reading this XT bullshit for days, your reply was the first to make me laugh, thanks ICEBREAKER!

Seems to me Gavin want to reap the rewards of the established community without working for his ecosystem like the other. Greedy bastard, trying to capitalize on his inside privilege to the core community...


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 19, 2015, 04:25:36 AM
Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.


https://i.imgur.com/EYATiQv.jpg
Theymos' tactics are unprofessional.  >:(
Bitcointalk can be dropped as easily as The Bitcoin Foundation.   >:(
It would be sad, but all things end.
   :'(

Talk is cheap.  But here you are, still on Trolltalk, talking about how "easily" you can scramble your password and fuck off to /v/bitcoinXT (where you will be free of theymos's "unprofessional tactics."

What's not "easy" is being the first to stick your neck out and accept XTcoins.  (Or are they actually NotXTcoins?  ;D)

And without brave first movers, no seeds of Gavinista Socioconomic Majority will ever bloom, much less bear fruit.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: cbeast on August 19, 2015, 05:35:11 AM
Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.


https://i.imgur.com/EYATiQv.jpg
Theymos' tactics are unprofessional.  >:(
Bitcointalk can be dropped as easily as The Bitcoin Foundation.   >:(
It would be sad, but all things end.
   :'(

Talk is cheap.  But here you are, still on Trolltalk, talking about how "easily" you can scramble your password and fuck off to /v/bitcoinXT (where you will be free of theymos's "unprofessional tactics."

What's not "easy" is being the first to stick your neck out and accept XTcoins.  (Or are they actually NotXTcoins?  ;D)

And without brave first movers, no seeds of Gavinista Socioconomic Majority will ever bloom, much less bear fruit.
Because the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 19, 2015, 08:16:37 AM
the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.

Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: cbeast on August 19, 2015, 08:40:01 AM
the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.
With you on his side, Adam can't lost.
Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
With you on his side, he can't lose.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 19, 2015, 08:54:59 AM
the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.
With you on his side, Adam can't lost.
Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
With you on his side, he can't lose.

It's not about sides anymore.  It's about the fact XT is designed to spy on and blacklist its users.

Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. (http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html)


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: toknormal on August 19, 2015, 09:25:56 AM

Talk is cheap.

Especially for drivel merchants with a fetish for antagonising and tribalising every contentious topic on bitcointalk and who achieve "legendary" status with it.

Theymos sure gives good value  ;)



Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: Tigggger on August 19, 2015, 09:44:16 AM
To anyone who can read, bitcoin is defined by majority miner adoption, not majority business adoption.

Miners will therefore decide what chain is "Bitcoin" (the longest) and markets will decide what it's worth.


I've only just started catching up on this XT, so excuse me if I'm missing something obvious or have it wrong, but I have seen lots of posts similar to this.

It seems to me that the major problem is that 99.9% of users/miners will have no say whatsoever in this decision, given that the 5-6 biggest pools which mainly have their own hardware control over 75% of the hashrate it is them that will make the decision not us.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: toknormal on August 19, 2015, 11:12:22 AM

It seems to me that the major problem is that 99.9% of users/miners will have no say whatsoever in this decision, given that the 5-6 biggest pools which mainly have their own hardware control over 75% of the hashrate it is them that will make the decision not us.

The longest bitcoin chain is still the longest bitcoin chain - not altcoin chain - whether it's mined by a million solo miners or 5-6 pools.

What's happening with XT is just par for the course in open source software and I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner. There doesn't need to be developer consensus and people can release whatever version they like, when they like, so the whole paradigm might as well get tested sooner rather than later as to how the "economy" deals with such diversification.

As to who gets a "say" in what version prevails, it's true that individual end users probably don't have much of a direct influence - relatively speaking. But they do have an aggregated indirect impact I imagine. Miners can migrate between pools or stop mining if they don't like the block acceptance policy, users vote with what clients, exchanges and commercial retailers they use etc.

How the whole ecosystem nets out is anybody's guess but I think it's slightly more complex than just a few pools deciding on behalf of everyone.

At any rate, you can't accuse a developer of wanting to "hijack" the system just for releasing a diversified version when that very diversification is the essence of open source, decentralised software assets such as bitcoin.

Many of the anti-XT lobby seem to have some legitimate technical concerns but the real reason they've sat on their hands in the "scaleability" debate and lost the initiative is strategic, not technical...

"Should bitcoin continue to evolve as an independent, universally accessible, decentralised monetary medium or should its existence and serviceability be made dependent on a proprietary superstructure the way the fiat system is".

Those in the latter camp are in the passive role because bitcoin's design objectives call for the former option and it's incumbent on the developer community to support those objectives IMO.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: cbeast on August 19, 2015, 01:08:39 PM
the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.
With you on his side, Adam can't lost.
Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
With you on his side, he can't lose.

It's not about sides anymore.  It's about the fact XT is designed to spy on and blacklist its users.

Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. (http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html)
That's not what's happening. Blacklisting people on bitrcointalk is actual blacklisting.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: tombtc on August 19, 2015, 01:40:47 PM
Seriously, how can you make an alt by forking bitcoin and use the same name?


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: Lucko on August 19, 2015, 04:50:16 PM
the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.

Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
FUD. They are not talking about XT code but QT(core) proposal

http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010388.html
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010435.html

Read first...


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: Lucko on August 19, 2015, 04:53:35 PM
the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.
With you on his side, Adam can't lost.
Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
With you on his side, he can't lose.

It's not about sides anymore.  It's about the fact XT is designed to spy on and blacklist its users.

Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. (http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html)
You do know you are lying right. But your signature shows how honest you are...


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ujka on August 19, 2015, 05:50:50 PM

It's not about sides anymore.  It's about the fact XT is designed to spy on and blacklist its users.

Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. (http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010379.html)

And a few posts down on that maillist, said by P. Todd: "OP may have been looking at the wrong code"
http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010388.html

iCEBREAKER, stop lying and spreading FUD.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 19, 2015, 05:55:33 PM

 >:(  drivel merchants with a fetish for antagonising and tribalising every contentious topic on bitcointalk and who achieve "legendary" status with it.   :'(


Aww poor thing.  You are obviously upset because you'll never be Legendary and resent my ability to research contentious topics, analyze, form opinions, and defend those opinions.

You can buy my account for 100 BTC and I'll promise not to make another one.   ;)

If you're too poor to afford that, please consider fucking off to DashScamTalk or voat's /v/bitcoinxt subverse (places where I won't hurt your feelings).



they've sat on their hands in the "scaleability" debate and lost the initiative is strategic, not technical...


BIPs 100-104 demonstrate the devs have not been sitting on their hands.  Please calm down and stop exaggerating.

The debate is technical, regardless of your desire to make it a popularity contest:

https://i.imgur.com/GsAmzcd.png (https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/633028070060912640)


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: toknormal on August 19, 2015, 09:47:47 PM

The debate is technical

Is that a fact.

In that case you're a wasted talent cos comic strips are over here (http://blip.tv/cartooncorner).



Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: iCEBREAKER on August 19, 2015, 11:33:59 PM

[ blathering ]



[ blathering ]


You guys are like my troll entourage!  Maybe I'll take one of you on as an intern.  Either of you any good with an Aeropress?


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: achow101 on August 20, 2015, 01:28:22 AM

BIPs 100-104 demonstrate the devs have not been sitting on their hands.  Please calm down and stop exaggerating.

The debate is technical, regardless of your desire to make it a popularity contest:
At this point, the debate is no longer technical. The consensus is generally to raise the block size, as shown by BIPs 100-104. The problem I see is the way to do so which is more political. It is basically a contest between which BIP will actually get used. Of course, XT has a head start since it already has an implementation while I have not yet seen any implementation of the other BIPs.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: RappelzReborn on August 20, 2015, 08:19:47 AM
It seems like the second block has been mined aswell looking at this  : http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks.php , when we are supposed to upgrade to XT though ? I know it's on January and stuff however do we need 75% nodes running or we need 750 block mined from 1000


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ujka on August 20, 2015, 08:27:17 AM
It seems like the second block has been mined aswell looking at this  : http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks.php , when we are supposed to upgrade to XT though ? I know it's on January and stuff however do we need 75% nodes running or we need 750 block mined from 1000

750 blocks mined from LAST 1000.

Looong time to go...
Funny thing, this two mined blocks won't even count.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: pedrog on August 20, 2015, 08:27:49 AM
It seems like the second block has been mined aswell looking at this  : http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks.php , when we are supposed to upgrade to XT though ? I know it's on January and stuff however do we need 75% nodes running or we need 750 block mined from 1000

You can change now if you want, fork is only triggered if those conditions are met, if they don't, nothing happens.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: RappelzReborn on August 20, 2015, 08:28:47 AM
It seems like the second block has been mined aswell looking at this  : http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks.php , when we are supposed to upgrade to XT though ? I know it's on January and stuff however do we need 75% nodes running or we need 750 block mined from 1000

750 blocks mined from 1000.

Looong time to go...

It dosen't make sense then , why would they said it should stay up for two weeks . If blocks are mined then it's done ... so why the wait of 2 weeks  ??? or both nodes   & mined blocks should be available


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: ujka on August 20, 2015, 08:32:40 AM
It seems like the second block has been mined aswell looking at this  : http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks.php , when we are supposed to upgrade to XT though ? I know it's on January and stuff however do we need 75% nodes running or we need 750 block mined from 1000

750 blocks mined from 1000.

Looong time to go...
Funny thing, this two mined blocks won't even count.

It dosen't make sense then , why would they said it should stay up for two weeks . If blocks are mined then it's done ... so why the wait of 2 weeks  ??? or both nodes   & mined blocks should be available

You're not getting it.
It's not done. 750 blocks must be mined in LAST 1000, to allow fork to happen.

This two mined blocks won't even count, as the window of 1000 blocks is moving.


Title: Re: XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner
Post by: achow101 on August 20, 2015, 11:27:04 AM
It seems like the second block has been mined aswell looking at this  : http://xtnodes.com/xt_blocks.php , when we are supposed to upgrade to XT though ? I know it's on January and stuff however do we need 75% nodes running or we need 750 block mined from 1000

750 blocks mined from 1000.

Looong time to go...
Funny thing, this two mined blocks won't even count.

It dosen't make sense then , why would they said it should stay up for two weeks . If blocks are mined then it's done ... so why the wait of 2 weeks  ??? or both nodes   & mined blocks should be available

You're not getting it.
It's not done. 750 blocks must be mined in LAST 1000, to allow fork to happen.

This two mined blocks won't even count, as the window of 1000 blocks is moving.
Then there is also a grace period of two weeks to get everyone to switch to XT before that actual fork and creation of a greater than 1 MB block.