XT: It's On! First block was mined by an XT miner

[ashour]

Here comes the fork!  The first miner running opposition software XT was mined.  This is going to be messy.
http://xtnodes.com/

Interesting to see how things will develop after that. The whole bitcoin vs bitcoin XT debate will get messy.

I disagree when the majority choose to fork, we wont have 2 chains as many ppl believe.

Well I just hope that things sort out without big drama and pointless arguments that will split the bitcoin community.

[achow101]

I don't know how that site counts XT blocks, but if it's simply version > 3, then this recent block by Slush could've triggered it.
https://blockchain.info/block/00000000000000000174419fa2ba5003e123dbd97c6982aff1863f016b04789d

Though, it's apparently not XT, just a strange version number.

So it's not an XT block, it's just another bitcointalk.org 'Gavin-ista' trying his best to spread a bit of FUD on the forum?

Why do ppl here always take some post as fact without even checking it first?

This is why the FUD against BitcoinXT went out of control here.

I don't really understand this.
Is 536870919 the version number for BIP101. If not, what would be the right version number?

I believe the version number for BIP101 is 4. But if that site only checks if it's higher than 3, then 536870919 fits as well, though not being an XT block. That's a theory, though.

It actually is , which is the hex number 0x20000007 decimal form. see https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki#Deployment for how the deployment plan is to work.

[maokoto]

It would be cool to keep this post updated on the succesive amount of blocks mined, to get an idea of where it is going.

[meono]

It would be cool to keep this post updated on the succesive amount of blocks mined, to get an idea of where it is going.

Or just go to https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoinxt/ and avoid mislead information here.

[unamis76]

It would be cool to keep this post updated on the succesive amount of blocks mined, to get an idea of where it is going.

There's already such thread

[ujka]

I believe the version number for BIP101 is 4. But if that site only checks if it's higher than 3, then 536870919 fits as well, though not being an XT block. That's a theory, though.

Is it that hard to read the BIP 101, and then not talk this BS here?

[ujka]

Aaannnd... we are in altcoin section! Even if it's valid bitcoin block, in main chain.

[RoadTrain]

It actually is , which is the hex number 0x20000007 decimal form. see https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0101.mediawiki#Deployment for how the deployment plan is to work.

In fact, I've just found out about that myself, but thanks anyway.

So, Slush is the first.

[iCEBREAKER]

Aaannnd... we are in altcoin section! Even if it's valid bitcoin block, in main chain.

We are in the altcoin section because XT is an altcoin.

It's fairly simple:

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.

[ujka]

Aaannnd... we are in altcoin section! Even if it's valid bitcoin block, in main chain.

We are in the altcoin section because XT is an altcoin.

It's fairly simple:

Not so simple. That block is in The Blockchain, validated by all nodes, and we are just discussing version numbers.

[toknormal]

It's fairly simple:

I suppose if you're someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs and not in cryptocurrency-as-a-monetery-medium then it probably looks "fairly simple".

To anyone who can read, bitcoin is defined by majority miner adoption, not majority business adoption.

Miners will therefore decide what chain is "Bitcoin" (the longest) and markets will decide what it's worth.

[iCEBREAKER]

It's fairly simple:

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.

I suppose if you're someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs and not in cryptocurrency-as-monetery-medium then it probably looks "fairly simple". 

To anyone who can read, bitcoin is defined by majority miner adoption, not majority business adoption. 

Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

[cbeast]

Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

Theymos' tactics are unprofessional. Bitcointalk can be dropped as easily as The Bitcoin Foundation. It would be sad, but all things end.

[crazywack]

It's fairly simple:

Activating a hardfork based on what miners do is really bad. You could easily have a situation where 75% of miners support XT but none of the big Bitcoin exchanges or businesses do. Then miners would start mining coins that they couldn't spend anywhere useful, and SPV users would find that they can't transact with the businesses they want to deal with. The currency would be split, and in this case XT would be in a far weaker position than Bitcoin.

The possibility of this sort of network/currency split is what makes XT not a "legitimate hardfork", but rather the programmed creation of an altcoin. A consensus hardfork can only go forward once it has been determined that it's nearly impossible for the Bitcoin economy to split in any significant way. Not every Bitcoin user on Earth has to agree, but enough that there won't be a noticeable split.

I suppose if you're someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs and not in cryptocurrency-as-monetery-medium then it probably looks "fairly simple".  

To anyone who can read, bitcoin is defined by majority miner adoption, not majority business adoption.  

Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

I have been reading this XT bullshit for days, your reply was the first to make me laugh, thanks ICEBREAKER!

Seems to me Gavin want to reap the rewards of the established community without working for his ecosystem like the other. Greedy bastard, trying to capitalize on his inside privilege to the core community...

[iCEBREAKER]

Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

Theymos' tactics are unprofessional. 
Bitcointalk can be dropped as easily as The Bitcoin Foundation.   
It would be sad, but all things end.   

Talk is cheap.  But here you are, still on Trolltalk, talking about how "easily" you can scramble your password and fuck off to /v/bitcoinXT (where you will be free of theymos's "unprofessional tactics."

What's not "easy" is being the first to stick your neck out and accept XTcoins.  (Or are they actually NotXTcoins?  )

And without brave first movers, no seeds of Gavinista Socioconomic Majority will ever bloom, much less bear fruit.

[cbeast]

Why are you calling Theymos "someone who's expertise lies in jingoistic put-downs" and saying he can't read?

What did he ever do to you?

Isn't it his right to moderate his forum as he sees fit?

Your already unseemly self-pity is becoming nauseating.  The sooner you Gavinistas are herded into /v/bitcoinxt to circlejerk yourselves the better.

Theymos' tactics are unprofessional. 
Bitcointalk can be dropped as easily as The Bitcoin Foundation.   
It would be sad, but all things end.   

Talk is cheap.  But here you are, still on Trolltalk, talking about how "easily" you can scramble your password and fuck off to /v/bitcoinXT (where you will be free of theymos's "unprofessional tactics."

What's not "easy" is being the first to stick your neck out and accept XTcoins.  (Or are they actually NotXTcoins?  )

And without brave first movers, no seeds of Gavinista Socioconomic Majority will ever bloom, much less bear fruit.

Because the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.

[iCEBREAKER]

the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.

Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0

[cbeast]

the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.

With you on his side, Adam can't lost.
Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0

With you on his side, he can't lose.

[iCEBREAKER]

the bitcoin loyalists will prevail against the sidechain usurpers.

With you on his side, Adam can't lost.
Bro, your fork, it's broken: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0

With you on his side, he can't lose.

It's not about sides anymore.  It's about the fact XT is designed to spy on and blacklist its users.

Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks.

[toknormal]

Talk is cheap.

Especially for drivel merchants with a fetish for antagonising and tribalising every contentious topic on bitcointalk and who achieve "legendary" status with it.

Theymos sure gives good value