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War, the best consensus mechanism

I'm sure everyone has seen the anti-bullying public service announcements on TV all the time now.  Well, small animals from cats to dogs and anything else tend to beat the hell out of each other.  It's a natural selection process to determine which genes spread and which don't, something that will never go away.

Humans happen to be animals, and the human social structure consists of:  

Individual > family > tribe or village > city state based on the same ethnocentric majority > affiliation of those city states to form a nation

Since we live on a rock with finite resources and finite space, the so called "bullying" extends past the adolescent stage all the way up to city states and nations in the form of war.  The main purpose of war is for groups sharing common genetic ancestry to compete against different groups and determine which ones will occupy this finite space and resources in the future.  This has gone on for thousands of years all across Europe.

The tragedy is not war itself, it's when the war movement is hijacked for something else besides the natural selection process for which it's intended.  "TPTB" do not use war for natural selection, they push Marxism, which is the antithesis of evolution and natural selection, while still participating in acts of war that serve no real purpose.

I'll join in here  ;)

That's not WHY....but rather, the obvious outcome.


Who is to say how humanity should evolve?  We have the technology to circumvent the trials and errors (so to speak) of natural selection with our knowledge of genetics and modification...but if we began artificially enhancing & perfecting everyone's genetic makeup, I'm sure the major pharmaceutical and insurance industries would have quite the hissy fit, to say the least...!  ;D


In my opinion, war is just a method to control most, and gain profit for few.  If humanity could unite under a central 'government' (I don't know what to call it without evoking images of 'New World Order' conspiracies) and channel the money (used for war and other bullshit) into a massive space colonization program, maybe then we could truly evolve.  Harvesting resources from asteroids, living in space stations or surface colonies; we would finally have a 'backup plan' in the event of a catastrophe occurring on Earth (it's going to happen one day, but who the hell knows when or how), and solve the burdens of pollution, overpopulation, and conflict over resources (although conflict is bound to happen in space because humans suck).

My vote goes towards the production and colonization of either O'neill Cylinders (img (http://pre00.deviantart.net/59ec/th/pre/f/2013/326/2/f/spec_sheet___island_3_by_glennclovis-d5jj93n.jpg)) (img (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Spacecolony3edit.jpeg)) or the Stanford Torus (img (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Stanford_Torus_interior.jpg)) (img (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/Stanford_Torus_exterior.jpg))

Cheers :D

the war is never good, yes it might reduce the amount of people but it does not help to develop as people destroy other countries and other potentially talented people that means war is stopping the development not making it faster

btw when you say that war is beneficial wouldnt you mind to be killed just because of "evolution" of man kind or other "benefits"?

I'd be willing to bet that war doesn't even put a dent into reducing population size.  UNICEF estimates that about 353,000 babies are born each day (source (http://www.theworldcounts.com/stories/How-Many-Babies-Are-Born-Each-Day), article from last year so the numbers probably changed slightly).  The ongoing war in Syria, which started in 2011, has claimed an estimated 320,000 deaths (source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts#10.2C000_or_more_deaths_in_current_or_past_year))...and that's over a span of four years!

well ok i made a mistake, its not reducing it it slows the growth...

also you did not answer my question...

I guess that depends on which war you are looking to. Look at all the casualities of the WOII ~ depending on your source - 72.000.000. I guess that does reduce the population size (and does reduce the population growth too). In times of war, also less children are born - I guess that something we can say as we've seen an huge increase in the amount of births after the war.

...you didn't ask a question....

im pretty sure he asked it though it seems it was an edit so you might have missed it...

here it is:

Because someone is making huge money with.
It is all about money ;)

You are correct on that statement, see here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162119.msg12251926#msg12251926

Are you serious ? A war is never serious . If a war occurs, countries get 10 years back economically .

americans in WW2?
they have taken our scientists and gold...and they are still controlling us. so they won ;)

Ha?war is good? When?.. War isn't good.. War is not the solution for population. Maybe war is good to those people making huge money in war and don't care on other's life.

there is no good war, in addition to expanding the area and take other people's rights

Most of new technologies are developed from military concepts and most fundraising comes from military government.

Btw, war is not good.

War will never be something good no matter how justified it.

it depends for whom:

people: war is bad
looser: war is bad
government of winner: war is good
weapon producer of winner: war is good

i actually hate war; but that doesnt change that facts

Truth! Adding to your statement, usually the government of winner is in bed with the weapon producer :) Boeing, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon....every war makes the politicians richer for lobbying to use their favorite brand of bullets!!!!

What can be good in a war. Just more money for the leaders of the states from the weapon they are buying. Many soldiers dead, many families without their houses, or member of the family, what is good in that? Make peace and love not war ;)

War is not good ... is good only for those people who make money ... after a war ... start a new life back in the future :))

War is not good for everybody. They just use this Technic to earn a lot of money from it.

This is an ironic statement from someone named "yummyransom".

Depends on the cause and the assumed casualties.

War is never good.
Ith brings destruction, poverty, grief, helplessness among people.

Let me guess, you also believe rape is good because animals do it?

war is totalitarian regime and terrorism at same time- Worst thing to take part in. war is crime. period.

The best thing about social-darwinists is always that they feel the world is not evolving the right way. But the point of evolution is that it is purposeless, and it is this indifference of nature that we as a species must overcome. Resources are practically infinite, the sooner we improve our technology to harvest them, the better, and wars are not helping.

Shouldn't this be in um....politics and society? Not that it matters, but war is terrible. It's awful. I wouldn't recommend it.

War is good ??? For whom?
Maybe for the one creating the bombs and guns. Every bullet costs $1 after manufacturing so the ammunition seller is the only one that profits from a war zone.

I don't think anybody here support war. This can't bring happiness to mankind. I always opposite to war.

War is needed to bring out the raw potential of mankind. At no other times in our history do we see people unite and bring together ideas so powerful they can shape our civilization. I Firmly believe in warfare as means to bring about the change this world needs.

You must evolve from beast state to change perception of reality and see further into unseen.

Animals kill for survive or defend but human little bit different. Human has many reasons for fight each other and unfortunateliy the biggest reason is greed.

If they tried to impose the situation of me going to go to war.
I would tell them where to stick it, every one else should do the same.

Even those people who join the services for a career, they dont want war either.
Maybe with one exception, those who want to war have a screw loose.
Not forgetting the profiteers.

They join because they believe in the good cause of their work. No one wants to join an army which is fighting opponents you do not want to fight.

War is evil and so are the people who conduct it, feel the bern baby we need sanders to change the world!

Like I said joining armed forces to kill some one else (screw loose) whatever excuse.
War is bad especially when they call civilians collateral damage. (Crime against humanity)

Because the evil is always trying to control the world, so the good forces must fight against them or the evil control their lifes. War is never good, but sometimes it's necessary.

war is not good, its evil, i hope global peace comes to us and we will live happy!

If you think that war is a good thing you haven't experienced it with yourself...

keeps god busy with sorting.

Who exactly?

well war is good for those who win, because they get fame and tremendous powers

Bernie Sanders is a form of war by using coercion to force people into collectivism.  Thank you for your support.

the good from the bad.

War is only good for rich people, so they can stay in power.
All wars are related to power and money (gold), and religion and nationality is only used as weapon against others,
(Oil on fire). If you belong to the ruling elite then you can say it.

Good? Oh, no, war is always bad. People should not fight each other. This is a bad influence on political and economic relations with other countries.

War is not good. Many people kill because of war like the innocent people , children even the older people.
I hope war will not happen again and ever.

war is bad. it will never bring peace

Dear author, it's clear why you consider war as not-so-bad, but every medal has reverse and in this situation it means a lot of blood.
Besides that, it affects many aspects of everyday life from individual to global, and one of the most important - economy. Nobody wants to invest in the place where peace isn't guaranteed.

Unfortunately there are constant wars in the world. Do not people want it, and the government. Though suffering from this basically innocent people

who said you that war is good? yes it is unevitable but it is a war crime unless it is necessary.

War is good for war profiteers who make billions/trillions from war.

For everyone else, it sucks.

 :-\

Yes, you are right, the war is bad for people. But the government starts to specifically military action, to make money on it.

I think the war is never good.
make someone powerful and victorious.
but ruined everything and eliminate many lives.

War is good for :
- resolving the problem of authoritarian government, imprisoning the president, even kill
- sales of weapons
- war vehicle sales
- soldiers can undergo a real test
- Decentralization of capitalism and civilization

War is bad for:
- Always be bloodshed and death of human life
- Colonizing natural resources and all major businesses
- Making the country into a puppet state

Whatever the title, war is about greed, attacks carried out to the countries of the Middle East is not beneficial for the country that was attacked. Only trigger a civil war that has not been completed to date. No one denied it, this just shows the power, and this could trigger a world war.

Let them believe this we know the truth ;)

How can war be good when there will always be collateral damage? Innocent lives are at stake.

War is not good. Only justifiable defense is legal, and any other act of war is a crime. Or we should use just laws to solve human disputes.

There is only one good side of the wars, which is to contribute to the development of technology. Many innovations in the world are first made in military areas. Later on, these innovations are brought to a state that ordinary citizens can use.

For example, the internet infrastructure first started as ARPANET.

I dont think same like you.War is good but also bad depends for which person.For powerful persons like a politicians war is good but for normal pupils which are mid avg salary is bad but for world depends how much big war it is.

war is not good for no one , make love not war  :-*

War is only good for the Weapon Manufacturers, they make all the money selling weapons to both side. I honestly think weapon manufacturing is equivalent to blood money.

Yes, enormous money is involved in Weapon manufacturers, and where is big money involved, there is people who dont think about casualties, only profit. If someone here say war is good, maybe they never felt it on their own skin or their loved ones.

Agree. It hurts more when the victims and most affected ones were the innocent civilians.

war give birth to heroes.

War is never a good people!

War is good. War is a great equalizer. It is Darwinian tool to eradicate those seems not fit to survive. Most technologies we have today were products of war. Humans minds were force to its limits just to invent something to win the war.

what good is that when the government makes to go to war and die? Who is good? mothers of dead sons can?

War is bad for the soldiers that die and their families. But that's the type of war fought before we were all born. Now the wars are fought with bombing campaigns. Plenty of innocents dead. Kids and babies getting blowed up. War is bad always was and always will be. Only the elite, sitting in their mansions sipping their tea benefit.

You ever been in war? Or was war fought somewhere near you? Or you only played COD so you think you're master in firearms and surviving?
Seems like you would trade human lives for technology, not really moral thing to do. But you'll learn someday maybe, wisdom comes with age

War is never good for us.
war only makes us kill each other.
peace is not achieved,
but war just make a destroyer.

Some come only age.
Not far from me is a war, and every day I hear news about the dead and wounded. This is scary.
The war - a horror

I think War is Never good.
although the reason for the war for peace.
but, are U look the war become a peace?
only the cries of those who have lost parents, children and brothers.
buildings damaged by bombs destroyer.
so, this you call that war is good?

War is good - profitable for people who manufacture guns.

If we compare the evil that brings the war with the benefit of which you speak, the benefit will be very small.
Therefore, it can be about not to talk.
I know that war is evil, and there is nothing good

While humans have been killing other humans since the beginning is estimated diseases alone have kill and will continue to kill a lot more people than any war the world could ever hope.

Nice words. War is destruction. People come to earth to develop and create. When people start destroying, they simply descend into lower levels of development and slow evolution.

War is not good. I could not imagine one of our family members will be sent to war. Many lives is destroyed. It is only good to those people who makes money from it.

Follow the story, and you will see that during the wars, technology is broken very much. Of course, there was a strong upsurge in developments during the Cold War of the USSR and the United States. But basically war is hunger, cold and destruction. And it's good only for those who make money in the war.

yeah  clean water and lots of oral sex with your monogomous  lover.


 would prevent and solve most of the worlds problems.

I don't think we will get to so the world convert itself to this belief system anytime soon.

it's good because the video the warriors film about kills and explosions

Any armed combat is a horrific thing, but we can't deny that most of industrial, technological, political, and medicinal advances are from the necessities during a war.

I agree with you. I have not seen yet another person who, after he was at war, said that war is good. I'm sure that war is evil. And technological progress is developing well without war

War is not good. Not sure why anybody would think otherwise.

War is bad, it is degradation, wrong way. With the help of war, many good people are being erased from the face of the earth, cities are being destroyed, development is being stopped.

Totally agree with you. The war destroyed many historical monuments. Researchers have lost unique objects. The war takes many lives. This contradicts the existence of man. I'm against war

War is not good. Innocent people die. Is it good for you to die? Would you mind?

The difference between animals and humans is that animals behave instinctively but humans have sense and can make decisions (both good or evil).

I believe that any war is bad. Houses are burning, business is crumbling, relatives, relatives, friends are dying, there is no food and in general it is terrible to go out into the street. What is so good about it?