Bitcoin Forum

France agrees to proposed new quotas system and Brussels unveils plans to quadruple the number of people spread across most of the EU to 160,000

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, looks set for victory in her campaign to press Europe into a new system of sharing refugees after France caved in to a proposed new quotas system and Brussels unveiled plans to quadruple the number of people spread across most of the EU.

In a major policy speech on Europe’s worst migration emergency, Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European commission, is to table proposals next Wednesday for the mandatory sharing of 160,000 refugees between 26 of the EU’s 28 countries

Britain, Ireland and Denmark are exempted from having to take part, but Dublin has already agreed to participate and David Cameron is under increasing pressure for Britain to pull its weight as the migration crisis escalates with scenes of chaos and misery on Europe’s borders.

Berlin and Paris have sought to maintain a common position for weeks, but the French equivocated on the key issue of binding quotas. On Thursday, the president, François Hollande, aligned himself with Merkel’s drive for compulsory EU sharing of refugees.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/migration-crisis-germany-presses-europe-into-sharing-refugees

Mistype not quite sure why though
Wednesday for the mandatory sharing of 160,000 refugees between 25 of the EU’s 28 countries.

Not a bad petition going there for the UK
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/refugees-welcome-100000-sign-independent-petition-calling-for-britain-to-take-its-fair-share-10484931.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia0CUR160Vc

This is very serious issue for Europe now and the real test of European freedom and free society.
It's easy to talk about democracy and justice in times of peace but now we will see how European politicians are serious and consistent and if they can solve this problem.
If other countries refuse to accept refugees, it will only show their selfishness and narrow-mindedness.
This is much more than a political issue, this is a matter of basic humanity and solidarity towards one's neighbor who is in trouble.
Let's show understanding and help these unfortunate people.

Looks like Hungary is being punished with the influx of "migrants" by you-know-who for not towing the party line.

Orban is heavily criticised by Germany and EU for protecting Hungarian interests and trying to keep "migrants" in check.

Does this look like migrants? And how did this army turn up virtually in the centre of Europe en mass?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhLqUY1OZ_M

Well, those fuckin' retards in germany have made a nice big predicament for all of us. On one hand they are inviting asylum seekers, but on the other hand they are demanding that the Eastern European countries hold those migrants back. All of this happens without explaining anything about the immigration procedure for the migrants. In addition now they are also keep blackmailing Eastern Europe with suspending the rights to free movement, if they not willing to take a big chunk of the migrants... those countries are still struggling with the fallout of the 2007-2008 financial crisis, unemployment is still around 10%, so what the fuck they should do with a bunch of migrants?

i dont care about germanys threats to switch off schengen treaty - let them

just close the borders and make those idiots go home. dont see any issues here...
i dont know why europe is afraid of leftist propaganda

Germany's threat is not just empty rhetoric. Millions of Eastern Europeans work in Germany (especially those from Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia, Croatia.etc, mostly on blue collar jobs). If Germany sends back all these people and replace them with Syrians, Sub-Saharans and Afghans, then social unrest will reakout in Eastern Europe.

I heard on BBC today that UK is going to take more refugees despite early protests. It's funny that these Syrians are supposedly running from war, but they don't want to settle in peaceful eastern or southern Europe. They want to go West to Germany, Austria, Frence, England. Why? Because of social services. They want to get paid for nothing and live on benefits.

well, such decision would probably more hurt germans than others. believe me. do you really think they would pick these bush-beaters over EE workers? talk about stabbing oneself in the back

Well I hope the funding for this is going to be deducted out of the foreign aid budget.

actually germany needs cheap workers and i think refugees their can easily get a job comparing to the other EU countries..
@ the countries that refuse the quota, i think most of them need to take more history lessons..their owns..

the only thing they should consider is whether they want their countries being arab/muslim majority in 50 years time

50 years? I doubt whether it will be that far. According to my calculations, England will be a Muslim majority nation in less than 30 years from now. France will be under Sharia law by 2030 or earlier. Germany might held out for some more time, but it is doubtful, given Merkel's new found love for Arab Muslim immigrants from the Middle East.

Some wealthy Egyptian has offered to buy islands for the refugees to live on: http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/04/news/refugees-island-billionaire/index.html?iid=surge-toplead-dom

We all know that this is not a practicable solution. The refugees (i.e. migrants) would like to reside in a rich country like Germany, and not in a third world shit hole. Whatever the media says about the migrants, they are mainly fueled by the economic factor. They want the generous welfare payments, which countries such as Germany and the United Kingdom offer.

Meanwhile, there's a Swedish academic pushing Europe to take in more refugees.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uljFaRuJ68  ::) [sarcasm]Sweden YES![/sarcasm]

What many people don't realize is that as soon those people flee Syria and step on the ground of a state not in war they become economic migrants. Instead of applying for asylum, they pay human traffickers in Turkey to transfer them in EU countries where the borders are open for refugees. They start trying to reach destinations with the most liberal laws on migration and loose welfare systems as they come to Europe. 

The guy want to buy an island from greece witch i think It is still in the 1st world (until now  :P)
But ofc buying an island isn't a solution at all, u need a lot of funds for the buildings, foods, etc and for how long?

Read that article carefully. His idea is to purchase an island from either Greece or Italy, and then to declare independence. If the island becomes a separate sovereign entity (i.e outside the European Union and not under the jurisdiction of either Greece or Italy), then under no circumstances it will be considered as a part of the first world.

This is when socialism gets out of control.

This is socialism on steroids guys.

First they steal from middle class people to subsidize poor class people, and in the result make poor everybody while the rich gets richer.

Then they steal money from middle income countries, so subsidize people from poor countries, and in the end they make everybody poor there except the few corporations that profit from the low wage workers.

Given that the schengen agreement is still technically in place, I wonder why they don't just register where they are, avoid dragging their weary families through hell, and when the dust has settled, go wherever they want in a slightly more orderly manner?

Maybe under that under that kind of pressure, you just want to finish the job you started many months ago. You've already gone though hell, don't quit now, get to the end. That, or the Hungarians actually are relatively hostile to immigrants. It's hard to fault them on how they've dealt with the current crisis. They're clearly just trying to do the right thing. But no one knows what it is.

gene pool-wise ...  on first impressions, these people look like they would be a welcome addition to your average UK council estate. 

I don't think the numbers = islamification of EU. And we need supply of workers to keep the show on the road, pay for us in our old age etc.
 

As I said in my previous post it's not only the Hungarians. The refugees landed in many other countries like Greece and didn't want to stay there.
They are after the benefits and want to settle in countries that simply pay you for having children. Germany for instance pays somewhere around 200€ for every child you have, even if you never had a job and can't say a word in German.

Well they do seem obsessed with Germany, it's true.

But instinctively I don't believe it's a cold calculation about benefits. More like they believe Germany is a rich, fair and civilised country. Good place for the educated to be. You don't have to be the mayors brother in law to get a job. I'd head there for sure.


 

Wow.. in this case, each of the Syrian and Afghan refugees should produce a dozen children each and claim the welfare payments. € 2,400 per month is more than enough to have a good life in Germany. BTW.... I have heard that the child benefit payments in the United Kingdom are even higher than that in Germany.

It seems to me that this is a very simplified view of the cause of the immigration crisis in Europe.
The vast majority of these people are fleeing because of war and death in their countries.
I don't think they want to go to Germany because they will get a lot of money if they have more children.
What they want is primarily safety of their families, the opportunity to live normally again, find a job and earn for themselves and others.
Are not they people like us? Are they don't deserve a chance for a new life, away from the dangers of war and insecurity in their own country?

Have you looked at the pictures?
They show many more men than women, and not that many children. Some men look angry already. Germany's already failing to assimilate all its Turks, it's not going to get any better with those 800,000 extra muslims. I used to like Germany. It was a great country, and it still is. Don't know for how long, though.

This is an odd statement, really.  

Do they "deserve" this regardless of the laws of the countries they invade, as a superior moral right?

Is this statement true when said by a resident of Country A, about the behavior of Country B, when A does not accept them?  "But B should take them..."

If they are not after the generous welfare payments, then why they decided against seeking asylum in countries such as Turkey and Greece? As far as I know, there is no warfare which is currently ongoing in Turkey. But they decided against it, and went on to travel an extra 3,000 km to Germany. If they were after peace, then they should have stayed in Turkey.

If that's the case why aren't they trying to start a new life in any other EU country but trying to go to Germany UK and Scandinavian countries?
Of course they deserve a normal life, but they should try to make it themselves instead of trying to live on benefits. They are looking for security, but the meaning of it is much different than it should be. They hope rich EU countries will take care of them, give them homes, teach them languages for free and provide for their children. It shouldn't be like that. They have the right to move and settle somewhere else and are already being given food clothes and free transportation and this is where the help should end.



They don't even want to cooperate with the authorities. Some of them had no documents and refused to provide any personal information. Can you believe it? THey want to cross the border and don't want to say who they are :D A month ago they raped and killed a social worker who was taking care of them. What a peaceful group of migrants looking for a new home...
http://pamelageller.com/2015/08/italy-muslim-immigrants-gang.html/

Refugees are women, children and elders.
These guys however are mostly men in "combat age".

 ::)
IF Russians were smart, they would pay attention to the lessons that other nations (such as England and France) are forced to learn after spending centuries obsessively colonising other parts of the planet.

According to my calculations, by 2030, two things will happen in Russia:

1) Moscow will be overrun by Ukrainians, simply because they will have been brainwashed by Russian propaganda into believing that Moscow is the best place in the world.

2) The Russian czar will implement a "gene pool diversification" policy, importing large numbers of Chinese and Muslims to combat the various diseases caused by your country's current obsession with racial purity.

And likely why they are fleeing is that if they stayed, the very next army passing through would enlist them at the point of a gun.   That's the way it has always been throughout history.

You can't "unconvert" soldiers! The ones that would move to another army are cowards, and those you've no use to.
These guys are of a "certain" age they already enlisted and come with a very specific target, way too specific. You don't see them to want to go anywhere other than UK and Germany, this denotes a background strategy.
No place in History ever got this sort of "refugees", or at least none ever [was stupid enough to] call this sort of people "refugees".

Well, we can disagree.  I'm thinking in terms of

The Forgotten Soldier
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Sajer

It's not complicated.   An army moves through an area, all the men of the right age bracket are either shot, or enlisted.

The focus on certain destinations is interesting.  By the way, they don't have to be willing terrorists.

They may just receive a message.  "Here's what you will do.  Or here's what we'll do to your sisters."

That book speaks of young yet un-enrolled soldiers, not people of the age of those so called "refugees". Those people are seasoned soldiers and could only be here for two reasons; their faction got beaten and they managed to escape or they are active assets of a faction.
It takes some intel in the ground ASAP before they got their AK47 shipped from home and maybe the next time there will be no soldiers at a train.

The focus is easy to achieve by inserting some willing terrorists as "guides" and using the moving sheep as cover up.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/555434/Islamic-State-ISIS-Smuggler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

https://www.facebook.com/196086673748176/photos/a.196092307080946.44297.196086673748176/967347169955452/?type=1&theater

Damn look what is going on on Lesbos. Syrians and Afghans fighting with each other because Syrians receive preferential treatment heading to Athens via ferry.The citizens have lost their normal life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhjB5hAzsc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhjB5hAzsc)

Why dont the europarlamentarians house the migrants in their own house?

I think the politicians need to volunteer to in the common cause. Let the migrants in in their mansions/palaces that they bought with bribe money and lets see how quick they will change their minds about this migration issue.

Europe is facing a great crisis similar to what happened to the Roman Empire back in the day, foreigners want to become part of the empire and the decision that Europe takes will decide their future for decades or maybe even centuries.

I don't dispute your concerns about the radical 1% or 10%, or whatever it is.  But most coerced into spending their day in kill-or-be-killed mode simply want to get out of it. 

As per me this is not a migration crisis but a crisis of common sense.People running to Germany all the way from Syria are clearly not refugees but consumption driven migrants. Those who are trying to save their lives are seeking peace, security and land to live in temporarily. Turkey has plenty to offer. People pretend to be refugees reveal their true intentions by not staying in Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, even Austria.

And according to the Hungarian media sources, 80% of those claiming to be refugees from Syria are not even Syrian citizens. There are huge numbers of mostly male and Muslim economic migrants from countries such as Pakistan and Egypt, who are trying to get a work visa and refugee status in the Europe with the help of fake Syrian passports.

once u get out from your country, you have to start a new life, find a job..etc, in turkey and the other relatively ''poor'' countries you will not get a chance unfortunately, so germany or sweden are the best choice until they can't handle more of them.

btw, the refugees that went to europe aren't that much comparing to the rest that stayed in the regional countries, take a look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War)

At the same time Hungary is buying at frantic speed a big wall to stop more migrants from coming. AT the end of the day I think we can't blame them at all. I mean what would you do other than run away from your country and try to find the best outcome? Im not just justifying the mindless endless acceptation of them until we run out of space and resources, I just say I understand them and dont blame them.

we are seeing basically a powder keg in progress. We no have a long way up to the point where Germany  cant literally take up more refugees.

they should stay and fight for their country against islamic terrorists instead of abandoning it to its fate to get a nice life for themselves. a lot of the migrants being interviewed are adult males saying they are leaving to avoid having to serve in the army.

Thank you.

It is easy to point fingers in the west and blaming e.g. Hungary for how it is handling the refugees, but on the other hand the borders must be protected and refugees need to be registered. I know the situation is far from ideal, but there is simply too many of them coming and countries like Hungary were not prepared for this.

I'm all for helping others but how many people can come in total? What is the number after which the EU will say, we cannot take more?

Extra that I found recently:
Meanwhile European countries are being lectured about their failure to take in enough refugees, Saudi Arabia – which has taken in precisely zero migrants – has 100,000 air conditioned tents that can house over 3 million people, sitting empty. (link (http://www.infowars.com/saudi-arabia-has-100000-empty-air-conditioned-tents-that-can-house-3-million-people-yet-has-taken-zero-refugees/))

The main issue here is that almost one-third of these "refugees" are refusing to identify themselves and are behaving in a very arrogant way to the Hungarian police officers. One of the reasons might be that these guys may be originating from countries such as Pakistan and Egypt. They are trying to pass off as Syrians, to improve their chances.

Well, if you remember the guy that hungarian reporter took down, here's his facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005458094105&fref=ts&hc_location=ufi

WTF? There is an Islamic State flag as the background image.

I don't know how many of these "refugees" are active members and sympathizers of the ISIS. But even if 20% of them are so, then Germany will be left to deal with some 200,000 Islamic State fighters. Auf Wiedersehen Deutschland!

That's al-Nusra flag, al-Qaeda side but pretty much the same as ISIS.
Bottom line, the guy is a terrorist, not a refugee.

(and you can see by the publications dates, this isn't a mock up or fake profile, but a rather old one).

Rabbi Says “Migrants” Destroying Christian Europe will Bring Jew Messiah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02VRZ2VHiro

Jews will be Jews.  ;D

I wonder whether their new "Jew Messiah" will save them, once Europe gets converted to Eurabia and all the non-Muslims are reduced to the status of Dhimmis. Oh.... I forgot... there is a much better option. Immigration to Israel.

I think she is right, almost all eu countries get funding from the UN in order to finance the situation of the refugees but most those countries just waste those funds meant for the refugees in other things.

Muslim refugees chant 'F*ck You' and ' Allahu Akbar' in Budapest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl16QDk2sig

enough is enough. it is time these savages were removed to their place of origin or humanely put out of their misery.

The incentives to uphold the existing EU rules, e.g. by insisting that asylum applications be processed in the EU where migrants initially arrived, were weak. For months asylum seekers were simply passing through countries such as Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech Republic — without any formal registration or control — towards Germany or Sweden,  countries with considerably more relaxed asylum laws. >:( >:( >:(

Golden Dawn support saw a meteoric rise in Lesbos and other Greek areas directly affected by the refugee crisis. The desperation of those people must be unbearable. Imo the fact that they voted for a party characterized as nazi and fascist goes to show how unrepresented strict anti-immigration views are by the rest of the parties.

That would be the issue. This pathetic demographic invasion attempt will do nothing but raise extremism. Far-right wings will soon become effective ruling powers of countries like UK and France. Eventually the "mujahedins" will manage to resurrect their ancient enemy, the crusaders.
But Europe must fear itself! No other continent can match it when it goes on rage mode! For 1400 years Muslims had chase and kill Jews, yet they never match what Europe did in just 5 years, for centuries Islam supported slavery, and still does, yet never match what the European slave trade managed to do in just 2 and half centuries...
Let's hope this crap won't bring us back to the Dark Ages!

Lol... that was classic. These migrants hate Hungary, and its president (Victor Orban) like anything. Yesterday I saw a video in which the Muslim migrants were shouting "Fuck Budapest" and "Fuck Orban". It will be interesting to know their response once the German authorities reject their asylum requests and deport them to their home nations.

If Germany wants to feel sorry for these so-called refugees, maybe Germany can take them all.

Hungarian army given right to use [non-lethal] weapons against migrants

BUDAPEST (AFP) -
Hungary's parliament approved with a two-thirds majority Monday giving the army and police sweeping new powers to prevent illegal migrants crossing the border, including giving troops the right to use weapons.

The legislation, following new laws earlier this month making illegal border-crossing a crime punishable by jail, allows the army to take part in border controls, to restrict personal liberties and to use weapons as long as no loss of life ensues.

http://www.france24.com/en/20150921-hungarian-army-given-right-use-weapons-against-migrants

---

This doesn't look to surprising but for them to ask for permission to use riot police gear against refugees and migrant there must be a total turmoil there.