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Title: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: abeaulieu on October 09, 2012, 02:21:44 PM
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/523759_478553402176471_725575752_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/30989_478555315509613_486356004_n.jpg

From there Facebook page, here:
https://www.facebook.com/ButterflyLabs


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: ice_chill on October 09, 2012, 02:49:23 PM
They have 3 weeks left to demonstrate a working product and start shipping.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: sLide. on October 09, 2012, 02:57:53 PM
Let's hope that happens!


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: YokoToriyama on October 09, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
i wonder if they will ship the water block later or if that will delay production


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: abeaulieu on October 09, 2012, 03:14:07 PM
Both cooling devices look to be quite compatible with their preliminary Single SC layout  ;)

http://codinginmysleep.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/BitForce_SC_Front.png


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: squeept on October 09, 2012, 03:22:23 PM
It's a scam. Water cooling doesn't exist. You guys are so gullible.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Cablez on October 09, 2012, 03:31:51 PM
I find it interesting that BFL states that these ASICs are very heat tolerant, which to me means they run pretty cool, yet they go and develop a waterblock for it.

It could mean a couple of things: like they missed their thermal envelope, they will use it in the SC mini-rig to reduce fan numbers and noise (plausible), or maybe just for the cool factor.

I for one am very curious as I am a watercooling junkie.  :)


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: FLHippy on October 09, 2012, 03:39:23 PM
I can totally tell it's photoshopped... from the pixels.

Seriously though. I wonder how long it takes to render that plastic looking shiny thing with my gpu based mining rig.



Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: MrTeal on October 09, 2012, 03:47:50 PM
I think it's not a stretch to have the minirig SC be watercooled. 1500W is a lot of heat to dissipate.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Tamerz on October 09, 2012, 03:56:08 PM
I think it's not a stretch to have the minirig SC be watercooled. 1500W is a lot of heat to dissipate.

That is basically what this blog post is hinting at: http://codinginmysleep.com/more-bfl-product-renders/ (http://codinginmysleep.com/more-bfl-product-renders/)

The water blocks are most likely for the larger rigs for density. It would be nice to have for the single though since my PC has plenty of radiator for another heat source.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bitmar on October 09, 2012, 03:59:17 PM
I can totally tell it's photoshopped... from the pixels.
photoshop? you sure? you're wrong, projects be designed in CAD​​, as I guess. :)

Seriously though. I wonder how long it takes to render that plastic looking shiny thing with my gpu based mining rig.

3 weeks with shipping :)


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: PuertoLibre on October 09, 2012, 04:09:37 PM
I find it interesting that BFL states that these ASICs are very heat tolerant, which to me means they run pretty cool, yet they go and develop a waterblock for it.

It could mean a couple of things: like they missed their thermal envelope, they will use it in the SC mini-rig to reduce fan numbers and noise (plausible), or maybe just for the cool factor.

I for one am very curious as I am a watercooling junkie.  :)
That also didn't make sense to me.

Why cool something like that if it runs very cool and hardly consumes any electricity?

Is it for overclocking the chip or are there hidden features (deactivated sub-cores) hidden inside each die?


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: mezzomix on October 09, 2012, 04:18:58 PM
If this is a real snapshot of the BFL ASIC miner development progress, we will not see BFL ASICs in october nor in november. :-\


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bitmar on October 09, 2012, 04:23:26 PM
If this is a real snapshot of the BFL ASIC miner development progress, we will not see BFL ASICs in october nor in november. :-\

it's not hard to guess. Still must be time for product testing phase before mass production. January, February, March? we'll see. it's better late than never


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: P_Shep on October 09, 2012, 04:29:33 PM
I find it interesting that BFL states that these ASICs are very heat tolerant, which to me means they run pretty cool, yet they go and develop a waterblock for it.

It could mean a couple of things: like they missed their thermal envelope, they will use it in the SC mini-rig to reduce fan numbers and noise (plausible), or maybe just for the cool factor.

I for one am very curious as I am a watercooling junkie.  :)

You put 25 of those boards spaced 1" apart in a box, that's gonna be tough to cool with air.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: AmDD on October 09, 2012, 04:31:11 PM
I find it interesting that BFL states that these ASICs are very heat tolerant, which to me means they run pretty cool, yet they go and develop a waterblock for it.

It could mean a couple of things: like they missed their thermal envelope, they will use it in the SC mini-rig to reduce fan numbers and noise (plausible), or maybe just for the cool factor.

I for one am very curious as I am a watercooling junkie.  :)

You put 25 of those boards spaced 1" apart in a box, that's gonna be tough to cool with air.

Totally agree, it has to be for the minirig.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: crazyates on October 09, 2012, 04:35:31 PM
So rather than a MR having 25 SC Single boards to make 1.5TH/s, I wonder if they've OC'd and WC'd 15 boards to 100GH/s each.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Cablez on October 09, 2012, 04:38:21 PM
I find it interesting that BFL states that these ASICs are very heat tolerant, which to me means they run pretty cool, yet they go and develop a waterblock for it.

It could mean a couple of things: like they missed their thermal envelope, they will use it in the SC mini-rig to reduce fan numbers and noise (plausible), or maybe just for the cool factor.

I for one am very curious as I am a watercooling junkie.  :)

You put 25 of those boards spaced 1" apart in a box, that's gonna be tough to cool with air.

I don't see why you can't, they did it with the FPGA mini-rig with 18 boards. It should be possible to do again if the thermals are similar.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: mezzomix on October 09, 2012, 04:40:40 PM
If this is a real snapshot of the BFL ASIC miner development progress, we will not see BFL ASICs in october nor in november. :-\
it's not hard to guess. Still must be time for product testing phase before mass production. January, February, March? we'll see. it's better late than never

If the ASIC vendors are right with their performance estimations, beeing late is only slightly better than deliver never. The early bird catches the worm.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: crazyates on October 09, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
If this is a real snapshot of the BFL ASIC miner development progress, we will not see BFL ASICs in october nor in november. :-\
it's not hard to guess. Still must be time for product testing phase before mass production. January, February, March? we'll see. it's better late than never
If the ASIC vendors are right with their performance estimations, beeing late is only slightly better than deliver never. The early bird catches the worm.
Only if you're interested in a 10-day break-even point.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: dlasher on October 09, 2012, 05:40:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/ViFdJ.jpg



Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: dlasher on October 09, 2012, 05:41:37 PM
https://i.imgur.com/KqOjU.jpg


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Bogart on October 09, 2012, 06:54:29 PM
Higher-resolution images with fewer compression artifacts here:

http://codinginmysleep.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Single-Heatsink.png
http://codinginmysleep.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/WaterBlock.jpg

http://codinginmysleep.com/more-bfl-product-renders/


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: panda1 on October 09, 2012, 06:57:52 PM
The fan looks bigger and I dig the green lights.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Keefe on October 09, 2012, 07:02:56 PM
I doubt those green things are lights. They look like heatsink mounts to me.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: crazyates on October 09, 2012, 07:04:57 PM
I doubt those green things are lights. They look like heatsink mounts to me.
If my heatsink isn't attached by radioactive rods, I'm returning the damn thing.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: MrTeal on October 09, 2012, 07:11:08 PM
I doubt those green things are lights. They look like heatsink mounts to me.
If my heatsink isn't attached by radioactive rods, I'm returning the damn thing.
It doesn't have to be radioactive. It could just be an inanimate carbon rod.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjna_3fLzDdc_FhiY35HO53ObKQRBix1nll7uG6NMRI-mQJmVl


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bitmar on October 09, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
I doubt those green things are lights. They look like heatsink mounts to me.

it's  kryptonite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite) , makes that SuperASIC can't escape ;)


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Kontakt on October 09, 2012, 07:32:45 PM
Obviously those are Phlebotinum (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum)

 ;D


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bitmar on October 09, 2012, 07:39:14 PM
Obviously those are Phlebotinum (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum)

 ;D

This is why ASIC is so fast;)


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Shadow383 on October 09, 2012, 07:54:06 PM
I can totally tell it's photoshopped... from the pixels.

Seriously though. I wonder how long it takes to render that plastic looking shiny thing with my gpu based mining rig.



The main render looks to have been done in solidworks - doing it from scratch would probably take me a full day - if the fan model and heatsink model were already available it'd take about half an hour.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Bogart on October 09, 2012, 08:32:40 PM
I doubt those green things are lights. They look like heatsink mounts to me.
If my heatsink isn't attached by radioactive rods, I'm returning the damn thing.

They sure do bear quite a resemblance to the tritium/phosphorous keychain glow-things.

Too bad those tend to run into import/export restrictions being radioactive and all.  They sure would look cool though.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: FLHippy on October 09, 2012, 08:57:46 PM

Seriously though. I wonder how long it takes to render that plastic looking shiny thing with my gpu based mining rig.



The main render looks to have been done in solidworks - doing it from scratch would probably take me a full day - if the fan model and heatsink model were already available it'd take about half an hour.


wow for real? I have 3 HD 7970s... would it take 1/3rd the time?




Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: P_Shep on October 09, 2012, 09:42:31 PM

Seriously though. I wonder how long it takes to render that plastic looking shiny thing with my gpu based mining rig.



The main render looks to have been done in solidworks - doing it from scratch would probably take me a full day - if the fan model and heatsink model were already available it'd take about half an hour.


wow for real? I have 3 HD 7970s... would it take 1/3rd the time?




I think you two are talking cross purposes here!

To render that object probably takes a few seconds, if that. It's not complicated at all.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Shadow383 on October 09, 2012, 09:45:11 PM

Seriously though. I wonder how long it takes to render that plastic looking shiny thing with my gpu based mining rig.



The main render looks to have been done in solidworks - doing it from scratch would probably take me a full day - if the fan model and heatsink model were already available it'd take about half an hour.


wow for real? I have 3 HD 7970s... would it take 1/3rd the time?



Ah, we've misunderstood each other  :D
I meant to create the model in CAD (solidworks) and then render it.
If you already had the model there and just wanted to render it you're talking minutes at the very most  :D


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Beans on October 10, 2012, 10:38:58 AM
Since when is water cooling needed to dissipate 60 watts? Seems like a bad business concept, especially with lifetime warranties.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: firefop on October 10, 2012, 12:03:56 PM
Having a water-block as an option is nice. Maybe we'll see some other accessories / product lines develop here. I'm imagining rack mounted sc rigs with the noise and heat moving via fluid into sound proof cooling closet. But ya - that's just me.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: e21 on October 10, 2012, 06:07:33 PM

Just to dispel any uncertainty, this photo is actually of the SC Single, "I don't know why they don't tell us what they are posting. That IS the Single SC heatsink. So if you ordered a Single SC you will have that.--Jody".


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: P_Shep on October 10, 2012, 06:20:23 PM
Since when is water cooling needed to dissipate 60 watts? Seems like a bad business concept, especially with lifetime warranties.

Since you put 25 of them in a small box.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: ice_chill on October 10, 2012, 07:05:09 PM
Since when is water cooling needed to dissipate 60 watts? Seems like a bad business concept, especially with lifetime warranties.

How well a fan cools down anything will depend on the ambient air temperature, if the ambient air gets hot, fan cooling becomes almost useless.

Also it's not about watts but amps!

i.e. 60watts 1.2v chip will be cooler then 40watts 2.0v chip


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: MrTeal on October 10, 2012, 07:09:56 PM
Since when is water cooling needed to dissipate 60 watts? Seems like a bad business concept, especially with lifetime warranties.

How well a fan cools down anything will depend on the ambient air temperature, if the ambient air gets hot, fan cooling becomes almost useless.

Also it's not about watts but amps!

i.e. 60watts 1.2v chip will be cooler then 40watts 2.0v chip
What? Neither of those statements are correct.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: gyverlb on October 10, 2012, 07:12:11 PM

How well a fan cools down anything will depend on the ambient air temperature, if the ambient air gets hot, fan cooling becomes almost useless.

Also it's not about watts but amps!

i.e. 60watts 1.2v chip will be cooler then 40watts 2.0v chip
Physics FAIL.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: psilan on October 10, 2012, 10:16:11 PM
Is that a custom fan to match the HS? Not replaceable.

Really I presume it's just a mock-up and the fan won't be integrated like that. It would be more expensive to do it like that unless you get a good bulk HSF deal.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: firefop on October 10, 2012, 10:45:19 PM
Is that a custom fan to match the HS? Not replaceable.

Really I presume it's just a mock-up and the fan won't be integrated like that. It would be more expensive to do it like that unless you get a good bulk HSF deal.

Lets hope it isn't a solid piece.

BFL seems to have failed at the whole 'airflow design' thing... again... Top mounted fans that blow up or down are bad. you want are horizontal to the board, not vertical. But hey, at least there will be a waterblock option which more than makes up for bad airflow.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Kontakt on October 11, 2012, 04:42:20 AM
So I'm guessing the Jalapeno is passively cooled?


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: vitruvio on October 11, 2012, 05:33:31 AM
So I'm guessing the Jalapeno is passively cooled?

That's the initial comments, with this power consumed, doesn't need fan.

Regards


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Jack1Rip1BurnIt on October 11, 2012, 05:44:11 AM
Why would something that's supposed to warm coffee need a fan? ;)


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: SuperTramp on October 11, 2012, 05:49:02 AM
Nice !  ;D


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: vitruvio on October 11, 2012, 03:50:59 PM
Why would something that's supposed to warm coffee need a fan? ;)

To better warm it, do you know bread oven with a fan inside? Here BFL applies the same principle </ironic>

Regards


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: psilan on October 11, 2012, 07:12:41 PM
Why would something that's supposed to warm coffee need a fan? ;)

To better warm it, do you know bread oven with a fan inside? Here BFL applies the same principle </ironic>

Regards

Oh, so you put your coffee inside the jalapeņos?
Do you pour it in?


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: vitruvio on October 11, 2012, 09:28:11 PM
Why would something that's supposed to warm coffee need a fan? ;)

To better warm it, do you know bread oven with a fan inside? Here BFL applies the same principle </ironic>

Regards

Oh, so you put your coffee inside the jalapeņos?
Do you pour it in?

I'll go one step ahead, I'll do my coffee-cooling system. I just have to open a faucet to fill my cup.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Kontakt on October 11, 2012, 11:51:35 PM
Depending on how hot it gets, we could retrofit some easy-bake ovens.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: Sitarow on October 12, 2012, 12:27:18 AM
Depending on how hot it gets, we could retrofit some easy-bake ovens.

Now that would be fun to use :)


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bitboyben on October 13, 2012, 08:42:35 AM
Is that a custom fan to match the HS? Not replaceable.

Really I presume it's just a mock-up and the fan won't be integrated like that. It would be more expensive to do it like that unless you get a good bulk HSF deal.

Lets hope it isn't a solid piece.

BFL seems to have failed at the whole 'airflow design' thing... again... Top mounted fans that blow up or down are bad. you want are horizontal to the board, not vertical. But hey, at least there will be a waterblock option which more than makes up for bad airflow.


I guess we can put them on their side...


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: sturle on October 13, 2012, 11:11:51 AM
Water block!  That's great!  Perhaps I should buy one after all for my central heating system!

Anyone know what water temperature it will tolerate while still working full speed?  Or chip temperature?


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: O_Shovah on October 13, 2012, 11:40:34 AM
Just to drop in a newer screen.

http://imageshack.us/a/img546/1497/publicconceptclockblock.jpg

Of course this is most prominent for the rig ( better thermal transport per volume)
but also people who prefer silent operation or want to try some overclocking might be interested.

Expected cooling temperatures will be given afther chip perfromances have been completly verified.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: psilan on October 13, 2012, 12:02:06 PM
I read cockblock....  :-[


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bitmar on October 13, 2012, 12:45:37 PM
I read cockblock....  :-[

you're right :)
http://is100.imagesocket.com/images/2012/10/13/2533880-ltx5.jpg


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: CoinHoarder on October 13, 2012, 04:18:24 PM
 ;D lol, nice p'shop


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: P_Shep on October 13, 2012, 10:35:25 PM
I read cockblock too.

Ain't changin' it. Cockblock forever now.


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bitmar on October 14, 2012, 09:28:02 AM
I read cockblock too.

Ain't changin' it. Cockblock forever now.
yea! if BFL will not change this designation, I'll buy it  ;)


Title: Re: BFL Releases Renderings of New BFL Single WaterBlock and Heat Sink
Post by: bobitza on October 19, 2012, 01:23:56 AM
Here's the new BFL95 - the "Little Single" heat sink!

http://xtreview.com/images/ZEROtherm%20coolers/ZEROtherm%20BTF95%20Fanless%2004.jpg

</joke>