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Title: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 10, 2012, 02:32:31 AM
Update

GLBSE.com
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If you've been having problems logging in (lost your password or two-factor auth) and have contacted support, please be patient. Due to the huge volume of emails coming in I won't be able to address support emails until most bitcoin has been refunded and assets details given out. Once this is done I will address your problem and get your bitcoin and assets back to you.



Update

GLBSE now asks for no ID information. Bitcoin's are being paid back.



If you forget the password, it seems that you can recover the password here: https://glbse.com/recover


If you have lost your 2fa.... I don't know what should you do except trying contact Nefario everyday.



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GLBSE is asking for identity information, if you want your bitcoin and assets back. I personally are willingly to give my identity, but not under such a unclear status. How our identity information will be used, protected, copied?  If Nefario has a lawyer, the lawyer should state everything clearly to us.

What's your opinion on this issue? Do you have any good suggestions or idea to share? let's discuss in this thread.

if you log into GLBSE.com and submit your email and bitcoin address, then you will see this:

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Verify account
To comply with money laundering regulations we must ask you to submit documents for proof of your address and identity.

Picture of your ID
Please provide a clear picture of your photo ID. For France, Germany, Spain, and English speaking countries ID cards, Passports and drivers licences are accepted, for everywhere else only passports are accepted.


User picture
Please provide a clear picture of you, holding a piece of paper with your GLBSE username and the date written on it.


Proof of address
Please provide a clear(unaltered) picture of proof of address. Tax statements or utility bills are accepted. This must clearly show your name (same as that on your ID) and address, it must also be dated within the last 3 months.

Not accepted are bank statements or bills issued electronically


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 10, 2012, 02:34:21 AM
For example, if I submit my identification pic, I will add a watermark saying "only used for GLBSE.com before 20121031"


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: theGECK on October 10, 2012, 02:36:20 AM
Do you need to provide all 3 pieces of information? For instance - my driver's license when I was in college came from a different state than my utility bills, and had a different address on it. I just moved, so I haven't bothered to go get my driver's license updated yet - does that prevent me from claiming my account if I don't have the other two?

Edit: Yes, you do. It seems like he got caught in a money laundering operation of some sort, or it was a threat of being caught up in one. Guess I can't get my securities back because it will take 2-3 weeks to update my driver's license and who knows if this site will still be operational in that amount of time.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: stochastic on October 10, 2012, 02:37:25 AM
Don't give any information.  There is no agreement saying to get your bitcoins back you need to jump through these hoops.  You don't have to submit documents like this to purchase other virtual currencies or play stock market in Second Life.  This is ridiculous.  You really want to give your personal information to a scammer?  Let the remaining shareholders sue nefario for breach of contract and let them refund anyone's bitcoins.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: cytokine on October 10, 2012, 02:47:29 AM
Don't give any information.  There is no agreement saying to get your bitcoins back you need to jump through these hoops.  You don't have to submit documents like this to purchase other virtual currencies or play stock market in Second Life.  This is ridiculous.  You really want to give your personal information to a scammer?  Let the remaining shareholders sue nefario for breach of contract and let them refund anyone's bitcoins.

I could not agree more. I will not give identity info because there's no reason to. I can continue my relationships with my asset issuers based on my high reputation that I have kept accurate personal records of what I own and don't own.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: niko on October 10, 2012, 02:53:41 AM
I think an incompetent lawyer scared Nefario into this. Anyhow, I will provide my information once GLBSE provides privacy policy outlinining how they collect, use, and safeguard such information. Other than that, I have no problem with AML.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bogart on October 10, 2012, 02:58:41 AM
Pirate asks for AML info before he'll give the money up. Never gives the money up.
Nefario asks for AML info before he'll give the money up. (predictable result goes here)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: gweedo on October 10, 2012, 03:00:23 AM
I am not giving any ID information cause for one that wasn't in the TOS and second I don't have any ID and I don't pay utilities so obviously I can't get my coins.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: mcris444 on October 10, 2012, 03:01:17 AM
As a student, I do not have the proper paperwork to prove a proof of address. I do not receive tax statements or utility bills. What should I do in this situation?

I sent in an email, but they probably have 1000's of support emails to go through. Also, I am sure I am not the only person in this situation.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bogart on October 10, 2012, 03:03:09 AM
I am not giving any ID information cause for one that wasn't in the TOS...

this


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: tbcoin on October 10, 2012, 03:03:34 AM
I don't see a privacy policy, request personal documentation without any data protection policy is illegal too.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 10, 2012, 03:05:33 AM
I dont have an ID nor a utility bill and I get my mail at a PO box.

I dunno whats going to happen to the bitcoins that are left over.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: stochastic on October 10, 2012, 03:05:37 AM
I think an incompetent lawyer scared Nefario into this. Anyhow, I will provide my information once GLBSE provides privacy policy outlinining how they collect, use, and safeguard such information. Other than that, I have no problem with AML.

This is what James McCarthy will do.  He will give all the identification information to his lawyer so when the FSA comes knocking he can claim these are the people responsible not you.  How do you know he is not going to link your personal information to any issuers that were selling pirate accounts?  How do you know he is even going to give you any of your bitcoins or claim codes to you after you send in your personal information.  Is sending the information even through encryption because I see https on their site, but there is no 3rd party confirming the SSL certificate.

Instead you should hold the other shareholders liable for what you want.  Nefario is one guy part of the BitcoinGlobal organizaiton that theymos is claiming went AWOL.  Theymos and the rest of the mystery shareholders can refund the bitcoins or claim codes to us.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: bbit on October 10, 2012, 03:05:56 AM
Be careful giving up this information people can use it for other (nefario)us activities....


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: stochastic on October 10, 2012, 03:06:44 AM
I dont have an ID nor a utility bill and I get my mail at a PO box.

I dunno whats going to happen to the bitcoins that are left over.

I thought you were one of the shareholders of BitcoinGlobal?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: memvola on October 10, 2012, 03:07:36 AM
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Please provide a clear picture of you, holding a piece of paper with your GLBSE username and the date written on it.

This is humiliating, to say the least. I will not sink to this level for a thousand coins.

I will not give identity info because there's no reason to. I can continue my relationships with my asset issuers based on my high reputation that I have kept accurate personal records of what I own and don't own.

I only need proof of ownership of my shares. I already have perfectly kept personal records and a final snapshot, but it would be nice if issuers had a way to double-check, because I can understand if they don't accept my claim without further verification.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Deprived on October 10, 2012, 03:07:54 AM
Haven't seen that request, but if they're requesting personal information there's a few points they need to clear up first:

1.  If the information is for AML purposes then which AML supervisor are they registered with?  In the uK there's about 8 different supervisors, depending on the nature of your business (IF your business is one subject to the AML legislation).  The obvious one for them would be the FSA (which covers financial service providers) but there ARE others (e.g. casinos have the gambling/gaming commission).  If they're requesting information for AML purposes then they need to be registered with one of the designated supervisory bodies.

2.  If it's for AML purposes then a link please to their AML compliance policy.

3.  If not for AML purposes then what is this information going to be used for?  And how long will it be retained for?  This is information they're obligated to provide under the Data Protection Act.

4.  Irrespective of the answers above, link please to their DPA compliance policy/statement?

5.  Can GLBSE please confirm that they have professional indemnity insurance covering them against loss or misuse of clients' data.

6.  What is their intention in respect of anyone who refuses to provide the documents but requests their funds returned?  Will they just keep the money?  Report them as a suspected money launderer?  Turn their BTC over to the police?

As soon as I receive the request referred to in OP I'll be emailing requesting the above information (can't check my email right now - assume that's where it is).  If they refuse to answer the questions but persist in requesting the information then I will next send a formal request for my funds (providing my name/address but not giving any documents which would allow identity theft).



Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: bbit on October 10, 2012, 03:08:54 AM
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Please provide a clear picture of you, holding a piece of paper with your GLBSE username and the date written on it.

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This is humiliating, to say the least. I will not sink to this level for a thousand coins.

I have to admit this was odd request to say the least and at the very least humiliating ...I mean who is going to do this? lol


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 10, 2012, 03:11:21 AM
I dont have an ID nor a utility bill and I get my mail at a PO box.

I dunno whats going to happen to the bitcoins that are left over.

I thought you were one of the shareholders of BitcoinGlobal?

Now you understand how retarded the whole thing is. I also have personal accounts on the site.

As they say, eat your own dogfood  :)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 10, 2012, 03:26:03 AM
Meh, the rules are stupid to begin with, so I'm not surprised it seems stupid to follow them...

They have my info; let's hope they don't go stealing my identity...


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bogart on October 10, 2012, 03:30:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vmPD_YSQ--k#t=227s

Here Nefario specifically highlights the lack of AML as a reason to use GLBSE.

::)

That was just 3 weeks ago.

Bait and switch, anyone?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 10, 2012, 03:39:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=vmPD_YSQ--k#t=227s

Here Nefario specifically highlights the lack of AML as a reason to use GLBSE.

::)

That was just 3 weeks ago.

Bait and switch, anyone?

he was clearly trolling.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: DonChate on October 10, 2012, 03:41:38 AM
waiting for confirmation that someone actually gets BTC back after sending ID


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kaerf on October 10, 2012, 03:47:24 AM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Maged on October 10, 2012, 03:58:54 AM
now the front page says:

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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.
Oh god. This is too hilarious to be real. Lol!


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Deprived on October 10, 2012, 03:59:07 AM
It looks like if we refuse to provide requested ID information then their designated AML complicance officer would need to make a risk assessment.  If he determined there was no reason to believe the transaction (refund) was an AML risk then they could return the funds.  Otherwise he would need to file an SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) with SOCA (Serious Organised Crime Agency - approximately UK equivalent of the US FBI) and would be unable to release the funds until either SOCA said to go ahead, or at least 7 days had passed without SOCA telling them to hold the funds.

Of course they then have to deal with the possibly tricky situation of explaining to SOCA why they're requesting AML information and making SARs without being registered with any of the AML supervisory bodies.  But that's their problem - not ours.

Silly thing is that it's likely the vast majority of accounts fall below the threshhold where they need to do any AML checks anyway.  E.g. currency exchanges only need to ask for ID for transactions above a certain amount (I can walk into a high-street bureau and exchange GBP into another currency without giving any ID information at all) .  Same for coneyancing firms (limit there is 15,000 euros - it's defined in euros as the UK law is an implementation of a eurozone-wide directive).

Pretty sure if they go to SOCA whining about someone refusing to provide ID for 10 BTC or even 100 BTC then SOCA would have far more interest in GLBSE than in the customer.

They also DO have an obligation not to unreasonably withhold service if a customer is unable to provide documentation in the form they request - not sure what policy they have for that.  e.g. if someone can't provide the documentation they request then they should be returning funds and (if they believe appropraite) filing an SAR (with a 7 day delay in refunding if they file an SAR).


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: bbit on October 10, 2012, 04:03:06 AM
now the front page says:

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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.
Oh god. This is too hilarious to be real. Lol!

This is some crazy shit LOL ...I was just there and was about to see what the process is ....


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: burnside on October 10, 2012, 04:13:56 AM
now the front page says:

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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.
Oh god. This is too hilarious to be real. Lol!

This is some crazy shit LOL ...I was just there and was about to see what the process is ....

Nef is a steaming pile of ...

404 Not Found
nginx/0.7.67



Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: frograven on October 10, 2012, 04:27:45 AM
Anybody’s photographic ID could be used to claim to be my GLBSE account - why not just require  the same credentials as used in the past to log in and use the system to verify the current GLBSE users so they can get the info needed to start direct relationships with asset issuers.
Evidently it was fine for the delisted TYGRR assets at the time?





Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: memvola on October 10, 2012, 05:47:31 AM
Anybody’s photographic ID could be used to claim to be my GLBSE account - why not just require  the same credentials as used in the past to log in and use the system to verify the current GLBSE users so they can get the info needed to start direct relationships with asset issuers.
Evidently it was fine for the delisted TYGRR assets at the time?

We, TYGRR fund owners, were complaining at the time, not knowing how lucky we were. Though Goat didn't accept the codes, so it's probably not good enough.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: dentldir on October 10, 2012, 05:51:22 AM
Haven't seen that request, but if they're requesting personal information there's a few points they need to clear up first:

1.  If the information is for AML purposes then which AML supervisor are they registered with?  In the uK there's about 8 different supervisors, depending on the nature of your business (IF your business is one subject to the AML legislation).  The obvious one for them would be the FSA (which covers financial service providers) but there ARE others (e.g. casinos have the gambling/gaming commission).  If they're requesting information for AML purposes then they need to be registered with one of the designated supervisory bodies.

2.  If it's for AML purposes then a link please to their AML compliance policy.

3.  If not for AML purposes then what is this information going to be used for?  And how long will it be retained for?  This is information they're obligated to provide under the Data Protection Act.

4.  Irrespective of the answers above, link please to their DPA compliance policy/statement?

5.  Can GLBSE please confirm that they have professional indemnity insurance covering them against loss or misuse of clients' data.

6.  What is their intention in respect of anyone who refuses to provide the documents but requests their funds returned?  Will they just keep the money?  Report them as a suspected money launderer?  Turn their BTC over to the police?

As soon as I receive the request referred to in OP I'll be emailing requesting the above information (can't check my email right now - assume that's where it is).  If they refuse to answer the questions but persist in requesting the information then I will next send a formal request for my funds (providing my name/address but not giving any documents which would allow identity theft).



+1000.  This is totally worth quoting as many times as possible.

Do you really want to contribute to an identity theft database?

They should also provide the documentation for the entity requesting the documents.




Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: repentance on October 10, 2012, 05:53:14 AM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

Priceless.  I'm sure people will flock to Nefario's new *all legal* exchange in droves due to his technical superiority.

I swear to god that most Bitcion venture "CEOs" would have trouble organising a chook raffle.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: DutchBrat on October 10, 2012, 08:50:50 AM
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Q:I'm a GLBSE user, what about my assets and my bitcoin?

You will be able to get back your bitcoin, and if you want to reveal your username, email, and a bitcoin address to accept payments with, you can continue your relationship with the issuer of any assets you hold.

reveal your username, email and a bitcoin address to continue your relationship with the issuer of any assets you hold.... Nowhere does it say more than full AML/KYC

Smoke and mirrors, half truths and (incomplete) lies....


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Beans on October 10, 2012, 08:54:42 AM
So now issuers are going to look like scammers for not going along with this..


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: 001sonkit on October 10, 2012, 09:00:47 AM
Okay, I am 15y/o, how can I even have my proof of address. I dont pay tax, my parent pays utility bills. Hey seriously, didnt you say you have multinational server back up and blah blah blah?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: btcash on October 10, 2012, 09:03:57 AM
These requierements are bullshit. Even Neteller/Moneybookers/Debit Card Issuer/Bookies requiere less information.
And these services are actually used for money laundry unlike GLBSE.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Jurek on October 10, 2012, 09:13:58 AM
Has anyone tried to contact these mysterious gov agencies that may be behind all of this?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: muyuu on October 10, 2012, 09:24:06 AM
I missed the (pathetic) update because they, again, failed to inform me.

The divide between what he said in the conference and his current behaviour is beyond shocking.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Lethos on October 10, 2012, 09:26:36 AM
Really should of taken more advice on how to introduce AML/KYC. Hence why it was probably only up for a few hours.
The fact you implemented it at all is controversial of course.

Considering how little info is actually taken from us when starting an account, might of been a good idea to confirm all those details, not just username. I bet there is tons of people who have easy guess usernames because they have used that nickname everywhere.

Also if you going to state you need it for AML/KYC, then you damn well better cite some legal jargon at me, to atleast let me believe it's not going to be misused. Mtgox so far is my only experience via bitcoin of having to provide this, they have a lot there cover them and their users.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Lucidize on October 10, 2012, 09:39:44 AM
I don't mind providing a bitcoin address and email address to be passed on to the asset holders, but what is the photo ID and utility bill needed for?
I already had to provide these months ago due to account complications, now I hope they wouldn't be passed on to asset holders.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Serenata on October 10, 2012, 09:48:54 AM
What we have experienced thus far is a lack of professionalism handling the situation. Nefario, who used to be the contact person for GLBSE matters, is nowhere to be seen. GLBSE rules and requirements change constantly, moreover some of them are illegal in some countries (asking for identification documents without a clearance to handle it for example). Because of these facts, I wouldn't want to provide GLBSE with any kind of document, as this could possibly cause more damage than some lost assets or bitcoins.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: memvola on October 10, 2012, 10:09:37 AM
I don't mind providing a bitcoin address and email address to be passed on to the asset holders, but what is the photo ID and utility bill needed for?
I already had to provide these months ago due to account complications, now I hope they wouldn't be passed on to asset holders.

This situation is so deplorable and absurd that it's hard to tell what happens next. I can imagine these humiliating mugshots being accidentally "leaked".

It's as if some resourceful agency is playing games with the Bitcoin community since the beginning of 2011.

Okay, I am 15y/o, how can I even have my proof of address. I dont pay tax, my parent pays utility bills. Hey seriously, didnt you say you have multinational server back up and blah blah blah?

It's either that some of these maintainers are cooperating with Nefario, or he was blatantly lying in the conference.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Sukrim on October 10, 2012, 10:41:54 AM
I don't even HAVE a utility bill to my name + home to begin with, also I'm now really worried that someone could just claim to have owned my account instead. Why the hell can't we at least use our EXISTING login data on a demo site in the mean time just to see our balance etc.?!

I still have 7 BTC on GLBSE (luckily I pulled out at least most of the accumulated cash before) and quite some GIPPT shares that are still being wound up, so there's not much of an option for me than to comply to whatever crazy regulations GLBSE's lawyer thinks are necessary... I'm definitely not going to be happy about them though.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Jurek on October 10, 2012, 11:10:52 AM
I don't even HAVE a utility bill to my name + home to begin with, also I'm now really worried that someone could just claim to have owned my account instead. Why the hell can't we at least use our EXISTING login data on a demo site in the mean time just to see our balance etc.?!
Because he doesn't want you to prove your ownership of the account, he wants your info so you could be prosecuted.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 10, 2012, 11:12:20 AM
I don't even HAVE a utility bill to my name + home to begin with, also I'm now really worried that someone could just claim to have owned my account instead. Why the hell can't we at least use our EXISTING login data on a demo site in the mean time just to see our balance etc.?!
Because he doesn't want you to prove your ownership of the account, he wants your info so you could be prosecuted.

Its probably not good to own shares of IBB. Just sayin...


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: sgravina on October 10, 2012, 11:15:51 AM
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Please provide a clear picture of you, holding a piece of paper with your GLBSE username and the date written on it.

This is humiliating, to say the least. I will not sink to this level for a thousand coins.


It's not humiliating if you do it correctly.   I am going to be fully clothed in my picture.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: DutchBrat on October 10, 2012, 11:23:42 AM
I really fail to see how a picture of me with a piece of paper with my username on it will amount to anything.

I have logged into a certain account with a certain username with a password, google factor2 authentication.... uploaded my passport (photo ID) and god knows whatever else

What good will a mugshot of me do ???


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: gabbynot on October 10, 2012, 11:27:46 AM
So, GLBSE will just get to keep all of these BTC/assets that go unclaimed - which will probably be a fair amount.

This sounds more like a scam than an AML requirement.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: fabrizziop on October 10, 2012, 11:31:08 AM
So, GLBSE will just get to keep all of these BTC/assets that go unclaimed - which will probably be a fair amount.

This sounds more like a scam than an AML requirement.

I agree. Oh, you want to give us money?. No rules, just give it all to me  :)
You want to withdraw?. Give me a picture of your asshole with your username  :D


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 10, 2012, 11:43:57 AM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

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Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Energizer on October 10, 2012, 11:50:53 AM
The identities that GLBSE is asking can easily be faked! Anyone can send fake IDs/photos. I don't see the point why they are asking for such info. Assets should be connected to accounts and in return to emails. As an issuer all you would need is a list of accounts including emails and number of shares owned by the account/email. But it seems that there would be problems in handling things in such simple manner.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Energizer on October 10, 2012, 11:53:40 AM
Its not fair what GLBSE is doing! I don't think anyone would trust GLBSE with their info, especially after such sudden closing!


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: memvola on October 10, 2012, 12:04:44 PM
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Please provide a clear picture of you, holding a piece of paper with your GLBSE username and the date written on it.
This is humiliating, to say the least. I will not sink to this level for a thousand coins.
It's not humiliating if you do it correctly.   I am going to be fully clothed in my picture.

 :o

Well, I was paying someone to act as a witness for the things I own. His attestation wasn't absolutely essential but he tricked me into believing that proper measures are in place, so I trusted him. Now, he decided to withhold the testimony and is forcing me to do something for reasons that are unknown to me and will keep this information hostage until I comply. How is this not humiliating? I don't think it would add much to the humiliation if he asked for a naked picture, would only make it official.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BurtW on October 10, 2012, 12:09:57 PM
None of this crap is needed to get our BTC back.

Just cripple the trading function, leave the BTC withdrawal function, and open the old site back up until all the BTC are gone.

Once we get our BTC back then worry about the asset transfers.

It seems to me that the asset issuers just need:  email, username, hash of the password, the hashing algorithm used, the number of shares owned.

None of this other stuff is necessary unless the amount of BTC and/or value in the shares is very large.

But then it can be argued that the value of all the shares is pretty much now zero.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 10, 2012, 12:15:24 PM
The identities that GLBSE is asking can easily be faked! Anyone can send fake IDs/photos. I don't see the point why they are asking for such info. Assets should be connected to accounts and in return to emails. As an issuer all you would need is a list of accounts including emails and number of shares owned by the account/email. But it seems that there would be problems in handling things in such simple manner.

Unless you are in fact running GLBSE (then I just submitted this to you), please post a picture of me with my username & the date.  Also, feel free to post my license here which apparently is very easy to fake.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Kluge on October 10, 2012, 12:17:38 PM
I'm already compliant, I believe.  ;D

https://glbse.zendesk.com/attachments/token/sq7afzdf6p2ouke/?name=20120731_025649.jpg

"ColdHardMetal
Aug 18 14:30 (HKT)

Humor aside, and I honestly did have a pretty good laugh when I opened this, why do I have this picture? ... It's just sitting here in the support queue, and I'm not sure what to do with it."


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: flipperfish on October 10, 2012, 12:57:34 PM
I hope all germans here do know, that copying or even scanning the german photo id ("Personalausweis") is illegal by law. (Source: http://www.steadynews.de/allgemein/personalausweis-kopieren-und-verleihen-verboten (http://www.steadynews.de/allgemein/personalausweis-kopieren-und-verleihen-verboten)). I can't believe these scammers are even trying this. There is no involvement of governmental money (like on an exchange). It would be the same to ask for AML, because of trading gold or items in an mmo. Totally ridcoulous.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 10, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: danster82 on October 10, 2012, 01:56:57 PM
If James McCarthy (nefario) would provide information and say the FSA are asking for identification or exactly what the problem is because he has said nothing.

But until then to send in your photo ID is stupidity, your photo has nothing to do with linking your account it wasnt part of the signup process.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Sukrim on October 10, 2012, 02:26:39 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?
I'm not sure if existing "real" online financial insitutions require more or even less than these documents for AML... want to have a nice stock portfolio in a country that you didn't even know the name of? You might already have one!

Afaik most of the time the picture of yourself + date is not required anyways, so utility bill + ID should be enough in most cases.

Also without a GOOD reason ("AML requirements because required by my lawyer XY/financial institution Z" for example would be a good reason) I'd rather dare to sue a fellow EU citizen than comply with these questionable stuff.

On a more constructive side (if Nefario still reads this thread): Please post updates with a timestamp and keep old updates on the page! Thanks. :)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: MPOE-PR on October 10, 2012, 02:35:08 PM
It looks like if we refuse to provide requested ID information then their designated AML complicance officer would need to make a risk assessment.  If he determined there was no reason to believe the transaction (refund) was an AML risk then they could return the funds.  Otherwise he would need to file an SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) with SOCA (Serious Organised Crime Agency - approximately UK equivalent of the US FBI) and would be unable to release the funds until either SOCA said to go ahead, or at least 7 days had passed without SOCA telling them to hold the funds.

Of course they then have to deal with the possibly tricky situation of explaining to SOCA why they're requesting AML information and making SARs without being registered with any of the AML supervisory bodies.  But that's their problem - not ours.

Silly thing is that it's likely the vast majority of accounts fall below the threshhold where they need to do any AML checks anyway.  E.g. currency exchanges only need to ask for ID for transactions above a certain amount (I can walk into a high-street bureau and exchange GBP into another currency without giving any ID information at all) .  Same for coneyancing firms (limit there is 15,000 euros - it's defined in euros as the UK law is an implementation of a eurozone-wide directive).

Pretty sure if they go to SOCA whining about someone refusing to provide ID for 10 BTC or even 100 BTC then SOCA would have far more interest in GLBSE than in the customer.

They also DO have an obligation not to unreasonably withhold service if a customer is unable to provide documentation in the form they request - not sure what policy they have for that.  e.g. if someone can't provide the documentation they request then they should be returning funds and (if they believe appropraite) filing an SAR (with a 7 day delay in refunding if they file an SAR).

This.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 10, 2012, 02:53:46 PM
Nefario, after you return all the bitcoins and assets, welcome back to China and teach English again.

Please remove my 2fa if you put some other closure system online.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: gabbynot on October 10, 2012, 02:55:37 PM
Nefario, after you return all the bitcoins and assets, welcome back to China and teach English again.

Please remove my 2fa.

He gets to keep all the BTC/assets of people who refuse to hand over their ID's.  That should keep him afloat for awhile.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 10, 2012, 02:58:16 PM

He gets to keep all the BTC/assets of people who refuse to hand over their ID's.  That should keep him afloat for awhile.

There are some people who refuse to hand over ID to Nefario while they will identify themselves to police. then Nefario will have serious trouble.

Nefario, if BitcoinGlobal refuse or cannot afford to hire a lawyer for you, you should hire one yourself now. You should discuss this deeply with the lawyer. As GLBSE is illegal from the start, now close it with some other action which are not 100% for sure legal, it's not a good method to make up.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Graet on October 10, 2012, 02:59:27 PM
I would consider meeting this criteria if nefario were to provide me with a HD photo of his passport, drivers licence, 2 utility bills and a picture of him holding a note saying "you must be fucking joking" and a hot chick doing "bunny ears" on him.

Seriously what a farce
<--- is my picture
the email he holds for me is my ozco.in email
my real name is on the 1st post of  my pools thread

I would have about 2BTC in Glbse in BTC when did you need to do AML stuff for $24?
The total amount of coins I "invested" into bonds is ~$1800 this does not exceed any AML regulation in any country I am aware of.

More importantly the details of bondholders should be forwarded to bond issuers so contact can be made.

Did I mention farce?
sigh


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BurtW on October 10, 2012, 03:18:47 PM
You already have all my information since I am fully verified.  I will send it to you again if necessary.  Just open up the damn site again.

Or at least update the status on the site and let us know what the hell is going on?

Did you run out of BTC?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bogart on October 10, 2012, 03:25:37 PM
Has anyone tried to contact these mysterious gov agencies that may be behind all of this?


Yes (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112438.0).

I don't even HAVE a utility bill to my name + home to begin with, also I'm now really worried that someone could just claim to have owned my account instead. Why the hell can't we at least use our EXISTING login data on a demo site in the mean time just to see our balance etc.?!
Because he doesn't want you to prove your ownership of the account, he wants your info so you could be prosecuted.

Or because he doesn't want you to prove your ownership of the account, he wants to keep your assets instead.

I'm not sure if existing "real" online financial insitutions require more or even less than these documents for AML...

Personally, having 4 brokerage accounts (2 margin, 2 cash), 7 checking accounts, 7 savings accounts, 7 credit accounts, 2 IRAs, a 401k, a mortgage, a HELOC, plus Dwolla, Paypal, Moneybookers, and Google Checkout, I have not once been asked for the kind of documents GLBSE is now requesting.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: EskimoBob on October 10, 2012, 03:28:38 PM
I would consider meeting this criteria if nefario were to provide me with a HD photo of his passport, drivers licence, 2 utility bills and a picture of him holding a note saying "you must be fucking joking" and a hot chick doing "bunny ears" on him.

Seriously what a farce
...

I would have about 2BTC in Glbse in BTC when did you need to do AML stuff for $24?
The total amount of coins I "invested" into bonds is ~$1800 this does not exceed any AML regulation in any country I am aware of.

More importantly the details of bondholders should be forwarded to bond issuers so contact can be made.

Did I mention farce?
sigh

+10

James McCarthy, what if a call is placed to FSA office and they know nothing about you or GLBSE, what then?

Code:
owner-name: James McCarthy
owner-street: 21 Rivington Road
owner-city: Chorley
owner-state: Lancashire
owner-zip: PR60EX
owner-country: GB
owner-phone: +44.7577006897
owner-fax:
owner-email: admin@glbse.com

Do you understand that if this identity is fake/stolen, you are in even deeper shit than you are right now :)



Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: markm on October 10, 2012, 03:51:01 PM
Personally, having 4 brokerage accounts (2 margin, 2 cash), 7 checking accounts, 7 savings accounts, 7 credit accounts, 2 IRAs, a 401k, a mortgage, a HELOC, plus Dwolla, Paypal, Moneybookers, and Google Checkout, I have not once been asked for the kind of documents GLBSE is now requesting.

I got asked at one point during Brian Marsden's massive ponzi scheme.

After e-gold was seized by the feds getting in to my accounts there again I just told them all the email addresses I had used with the accounts and what my IP address ranges tend to be kind of stuff so they could clear up a "check the guy's IP is reasonable" security thing. No photos no utility bills etc even though presumably by that point the thing basically shut down and thus little resaon for my info to be wanted other than by the feds to pursue me. So hmm hmmm hmmmmm...

In short I know a ponzi operation wanted materials necessary for stealing my identity but have yet to encounter a legitimate licensed money-whatever operation that did.

-MarkM-


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 10, 2012, 04:30:04 PM
I just had a call with James, and he has said that there should be a way to claim what yours on GLBSE within a day, and everything in terms of shareholder info and people getting their btc back should be resolved this week.

He definitely could have closed the exchange a bit more gracefully, but according to him, he doesn't want to hold the high amount of liability he has attained any longer.

So let's stop the fud for a bit, and see how this week goes.

Best of luck to everyone involved,
Garrett


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: EskimoBob on October 10, 2012, 05:37:21 PM
Lets assume that Nefario and the whole GLBSE gang are way bigger scammers than any of us wants to believe.
You send them your HD photo of your passport (probably illegal in some parts of the world), image of your drivers licence, 2 utility bills etc. Then what?
How do you know that those are not used in next scam for "identification" and when shit hits the fan there... YOU! are the guy who is in neck deep.

Send your ID, shoe number and what not ONLY! if it's requested via some official channel and you can verify who is asking and why.

This AML bull shit IS bull shit in a can.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: gabbynot on October 10, 2012, 05:41:53 PM
Lets assume that Nefario and the whole GLBSE gang are way bigger scammers than any of us wants to believe.
You send them your HD photo of your passport (probably illegal in some parts of the world), image of your drivers licence, 2 utility bills etc. Then what?
How do you know that those are not used in next scam for "identification" and when shit hits the fan there... YOU! are the guy who is in neck deep.

Send your ID, shoe number and what not ONLY! if it's requested via some official channel and you can verify who is asking and why.

This AML bull shit IS bull shit in a can.

AML is just a smokescreen.  What do you think GLBSE is going to do with all the assets of people who refuse to provide ID, give it to charity?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bogart on October 10, 2012, 05:42:53 PM
I just had a call with James, and he has said that there should be a way to claim what yours on GLBSE within a day, and everything in terms of shareholder info and people getting their btc back should be resolved this week.

He definitely could have closed the exchange a bit more gracefully, but according to him, he doesn't want to hold the high amount of liability he has attained any longer.

So let's stop the fud for a bit, and see how this week goes.

Best of luck to everyone involved,
Garrett

I do believe I've heard that one before.  If only I could recall where...


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: VeeMiner on October 10, 2012, 05:54:42 PM
This is so pathetic! I'm glad that I only "invested" couple BTC, because I can't believe how irresponsibly is GLBSE going around this. Unbelieveable!


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Energizer on October 10, 2012, 06:01:20 PM
I would consider meeting this criteria if nefario were to provide me with a HD photo of his passport, drivers licence, 2 utility bills and a picture of him holding a note saying "you must be fucking joking" and a hot chick doing "bunny ears" on him.

Seriously what a farce
<--- is my picture
the email he holds for me is my ozco.in email
my real name is on the 1st post of  my pools thread

I would have about 2BTC in Glbse in BTC when did you need to do AML stuff for $24?
The total amount of coins I "invested" into bonds is ~$1800 this does not exceed any AML regulation in any country I am aware of.

More importantly the details of bondholders should be forwarded to bond issuers so contact can be made.

Did I mention farce?
sigh

+1


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: aura.flux on October 10, 2012, 06:19:51 PM
I would consider meeting this criteria if nefario were to provide me with a HD photo of his passport, drivers licence, 2 utility bills and a picture of him holding a note saying "you must be fucking joking" and a hot chick doing "bunny ears" on him.

Seriously what a farce
...

I would have about 2BTC in Glbse in BTC when did you need to do AML stuff for $24?
The total amount of coins I "invested" into bonds is ~$1800 this does not exceed any AML regulation in any country I am aware of.

More importantly the details of bondholders should be forwarded to bond issuers so contact can be made.

Did I mention farce?
sigh

+10

James McCarthy, what if a call is placed to FSA office and they know nothing about you or GLBSE, what then?

Code:
owner-name: James McCarthy
owner-street: 21 Rivington Road
owner-city: Chorley
owner-state: Lancashire
owner-zip: PR60EX
owner-country: GB
owner-phone: +44.7577006897
owner-fax:
owner-email: admin@glbse.com

Do you understand that if this identity is fake/stolen, you are in even deeper shit than you are right now :)



+1


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: niko on October 10, 2012, 06:25:59 PM
I suspect  Nefario and all of us are being screwed by his incompetent lawyer, or even worse by SEC, Pirate, or PPT gang who all have important interest, one way or another, in GLBSE database. SEC/FSA want to see it (assuming they really are involved), Pirate and the PPT gang want nobody to be able to see it, ever.
There is no way whatsoever a lawyer would ask him to collect personal information like this, in violation of so many laws and regulations.
 


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Mushoz on October 10, 2012, 06:43:04 PM
I would consider meeting this criteria if nefario were to provide me with a HD photo of his passport, drivers licence, 2 utility bills and a picture of him holding a note saying "you must be fucking joking" and a hot chick doing "bunny ears" on him.

Haha, I thought something along those lines as well. ;)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BR0KK on October 10, 2012, 07:00:41 PM
I have about 25 to 30 BTC there in bonds..... I wont give out my private info (i think he already has my name from the email adress i used to sign up)

Whats next ? How do i get the BTC back?

I have no clue how many bonds of each "company" i own...


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: stochastic on October 10, 2012, 07:29:04 PM
I have about 25 to 30 BTC there in bonds..... I wont give out my private info (i think he already has my name from the email adress i used to sign up)

Whats next ? How do i get the BTC back?

I have no clue how many bonds of each "company" i own...

Is everyone in the habit of not keeping records of their sales and purchases?  How do you know if you make a profit?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: freeAgent on October 10, 2012, 07:34:26 PM
I have about 25 to 30 BTC there in bonds..... I wont give out my private info (i think he already has my name from the email adress i used to sign up)

Whats next ? How do i get the BTC back?

I have no clue how many bonds of each "company" i own...

Is everyone in the habit of not keeping records of their sales and purchases?  How do you know if you make a profit?

Presumably be checking the records stored by the now-offline exchange ;)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BR0KK on October 10, 2012, 08:15:35 PM
i wanted to do exactly that but after witching to my new iphone 5 i somehow missed that Google Auth was on my iphone 4..... Lost it because i sold it already :/

i was in the process of getting this disabled (With a GLBSE crew member called: James McCarthy (GLBSE)) when THIS crap hit :/


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kibblesnbits on October 10, 2012, 08:30:02 PM
i wanted to do exactly that but after witching to my new iphone 5 i somehow missed that Google Auth was on my iphone 4..... Lost it because i sold it already :/

i was in the process of getting this disabled (With a GLBSE crew member called: James McCarthy (GLBSE)) when THIS crap hit :/

You back up your 4 through iTunes before getting rid of it?  It'll be on there.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BR0KK on October 10, 2012, 08:41:24 PM
i did a backup with icloud but the "info (or codes ...) of the app wasn't transferred with it. I just found out a day after i sold it...... Did a factory reset before it was sold :/


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Winterfrost on October 10, 2012, 11:09:07 PM
I only submitted an email and bitcoin address, and now have a "Claim finished" page when I log in.

https://i.imgur.com/YZQlXl.png


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: tbcoin on October 10, 2012, 11:29:48 PM
I only submitted an email and bitcoin address, and now have a "Claim finished" page when I log in.

https://i.imgur.com/YZQlXl.png
+1


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Equilux on October 10, 2012, 11:46:12 PM
Just finished my claim aswell. What about the claimcodes for the Tygrr-assets that were delisted a little while ago?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Factory on October 10, 2012, 11:52:51 PM
Just finished my claim aswell. What about the claimcodes for the Tygrr-assets that were delisted a little while ago?

I am under the impression that this first part would just be for receiving the btc balance of our account. We checked a box allowing our info to be given to asset issuers which will perhaps allow all of that to be taken care of in the future.

We will see with time.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bogart on October 11, 2012, 06:00:41 PM
https://i.imgur.com/YkjfW.jpg


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kuzetsa on October 11, 2012, 07:27:21 PM
I only submitted an email and bitcoin address, and now have a "Claim finished" page when I log in.

https://i.imgur.com/YZQlXl.png

Mine more or less looks like that too (browser fonts, resolution, other minor differences aside)

... now what?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: gweedo on October 11, 2012, 07:39:02 PM
I only submitted an email and bitcoin address, and now have a "Claim finished" page when I log in.

https://i.imgur.com/YZQlXl.png

Mine more or less looks like that too (browser fonts, resolution, other minor differences aside)

... now what?

You wait like the rest of the other people


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: smoothie on October 11, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
I only submitted an email and bitcoin address, and now have a "Claim finished" page when I log in.

https://i.imgur.com/YZQlXl.png

Mine more or less looks like that too (browser fonts, resolution, other minor differences aside)

... now what?

You wait like the rest of the other people

Alas Nefario has mastered the art of stalling, like Pirate.

Don't hold your breath.  :P


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: RandomQ on October 11, 2012, 09:02:13 PM
i did a backup with icloud but the "info (or codes ...) of the app wasn't transferred with it. I just found out a day after i sold it...... Did a factory reset before it was sold :/

I had the same thing happen to me when I upgrade to a Iphone 4 to 4s, when I got rid of my 4s I switched the codes to my ipad by hand lol.
I had like 10 2fa accounts


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on October 11, 2012, 10:10:31 PM
So how is GLBSE going to pay us back if he spends it on lawyers?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: smoothie on October 11, 2012, 10:41:15 PM
So how is GLBSE going to pay us back if he spends it on lawyers?

Not hard to figure out. He just won't pay you back.

Pirate did that too.

Bitcoinica as well..

Any big names I'm missing?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BTCGOLD on October 11, 2012, 10:57:52 PM
Where can i reset my password on glbse? cant find it


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 11, 2012, 11:12:37 PM
So how is GLBSE going to pay us back if he spends it on lawyers?

Not hard to figure out. He just won't pay you back.

Pirate did that too.

Bitcoinica as well..

Any big names I'm missing?

Theres a reason bitcoinica and glbse are similar.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 12, 2012, 12:44:28 AM
So how is GLBSE going to pay us back if he spends it on lawyers?

Not hard to figure out. He just won't pay you back.

Pirate did that too.

Bitcoinica as well..

Any big names I'm missing?

Theres a reason bitcoinica and glbse are similar.

what is it?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 12, 2012, 02:27:50 AM
i wanted to do exactly that but after witching to my new iphone 5 i somehow missed that Google Auth was on my iphone 4..... Lost it because i sold it already :/

i was in the process of getting this disabled (With a GLBSE crew member called: James McCarthy (GLBSE)) when THIS crap hit :/


I am in the same situation as you. I lost my 2fa, too. James McCarthy(Nefario) seems not working on this anymore. Have you been able to communicate with him recently? If we cannot log in, we cannot claim.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Kluge on October 12, 2012, 02:30:17 AM
So how is GLBSE going to pay us back if he spends it on lawyers?

Not hard to figure out. He just won't pay you back.

Pirate did that too.

Bitcoinica as well..

Any big names I'm missing?

Theres a reason bitcoinica and glbse are similar.

what is it?
They both used Bootstrap, like almost every other website which takes Bitcoin?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 12, 2012, 07:32:45 AM
So how is GLBSE going to pay us back if he spends it on lawyers?

Not hard to figure out. He just won't pay you back.

Pirate did that too.

Bitcoinica as well..

Any big names I'm missing?

Theres a reason bitcoinica and glbse are similar.

what is it?
They both used Bootstrap, like almost every other website which takes Bitcoin?
I'm usually pretty skeptical but honestly, people jump to SCAM way too quick. No, the way he closed it was very sudden and inappropriate and unethical. But the situation "are we getting our bitcoins/assets back, yes or no", there is a lot more good signs than bad signs. First, he actually implements a plan and option to "supposedly" get it back. Second he followed and remediated to the outcry the requirement for aml documentation. Plus, somewhat some updates. No he doesn't answer publicly, but honestly that says nothing, if he would, every word he says would get trashed and would lead to nothing. So, to me, there is absolutely no reason to panic yet. Do I guarantee we are getting it back? No. Do you have enough to conclude we won't? Not more than I can guarantee. So anyone calling it scam right now is merely doing the same as blind betting.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 12, 2012, 08:06:27 AM

I'm usually pretty skeptical but honestly, people jump to SCAM way too quick. No, the way he closed it was very sudden and inappropriate and unethical. But the situation "are we getting our bitcoins/assets back, yes or no", there is a lot more good signs than bad signs. First, he actually implements a plan and option to "supposedly" get it back. Second he followed and remediated to the outcry the requirement for aml documentation. Plus, somewhat some updates. No he doesn't answer publicly, but honestly that says nothing, if he would, every word he says would get trashed and would lead to nothing. So, to me, there is absolutely no reason to panic yet. Do I guarantee we are getting it back? No. Do you have enough to conclude we won't? Not more than I can guarantee. So anyone calling it scam right now is merely doing the same as blind betting.

+1


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Kluge on October 12, 2012, 10:54:14 AM
Err - in case that was directed at me, I meant "take" as in "accepted," not "steals." I'd guess for commercial sites using Bootstrap, they're about 4x to 5x more likely to accept Bitcoin than any other commercial site.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Lucidize on October 12, 2012, 11:36:50 AM
I can't even log in :(

Really pissing me off now because at first the error says: wrong email or password
Then after the captcha it says: Auth code incorrect, please try again

Confused. I use 2FA and recently had to rescan a new login auth on my phone. Maybe it has reverted to my old log in. Can't think of any other reason why it would not be working.

Reported to support@glbse but not expecting an answer/solution this month.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 12, 2012, 11:55:38 AM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: sgravina on October 12, 2012, 01:14:13 PM
I need to ask Nefario a question.  I do not know what my TYGRR.BOND-P code is.  If pirate pays back I don't know how to recover that value.  Nefario, could you please give it to me?

Since Nefario isn't talking I tried to contact him through the spirit world.  I had a seance with psychic people and everything.  Even in the realm of the dead Nefario is still not talking.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: MPOE-PR on October 12, 2012, 02:10:25 PM

They both used Bootstrap, like almost every other failed BTC venture website that the retarded forum population wasn't slamming for "bad design"?

FIFY.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 12, 2012, 02:43:18 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 12, 2012, 02:57:34 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)

Right, so having my utility bill and license and picture of me with my e-mail/login/date could potentially help someone not me "prove" or provide the "proof" that the credit card company needs.

Regardless, it may show up as a "ding" on my "credit report/score" and I don't know what the implications of that would be. 


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 12, 2012, 03:18:32 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)

Right, so having my utility bill and license and picture of me with my e-mail/login/date could potentially help someone not me "prove" or provide the "proof" that the credit card company needs.

Regardless, it may show up as a "ding" on my "credit report/score" and I don't know what the implications of that would be. 
YOU file a claim for fraud. Regardless of the information or documentation they had, once you file a claim, why would he "prove" them anything? Bottom line, card/info stolen and fraudulent charges are made, you file a claim, you get your money back. Your credit is unaffected. The stories you hear about peoples credit getting ruined is when someone basically steals your whole identity and uses it a while and opens lines of credits and loans under your identity. After a while your credit will be ruined and that's how you will learn about it, and again, you file a claim, and then its restored. The worst it can be is slightly inconvenient, probably even a little less inconvenient than worrying about it and crying about an harmless situation.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 12, 2012, 03:25:56 PM
Thanks matauc12 for the reassurance.  I agree that I won't be losing any sleep over this.  So hopefully it helps me get my BTC back.  If not, then oh well.

Perhaps I'll query my free credit report later this year and see if any new loans/ lines of credit pop up.  :)

cheers!


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BurtW on October 12, 2012, 04:03:37 PM
So a lot of us have finished the process on the web site.

Has anyone gotten their BTC back yet?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 12, 2012, 05:03:47 PM
So a lot of us have finished the process on the web site.

Has anyone gotten their BTC back yet?

not this guy


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: silverbox on October 12, 2012, 05:07:54 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)

Right, so having my utility bill and license and picture of me with my e-mail/login/date could potentially help someone not me "prove" or provide the "proof" that the credit card company needs.

Regardless, it may show up as a "ding" on my "credit report/score" and I don't know what the implications of that would be. 
YOU file a claim for fraud. Regardless of the information or documentation they had, once you file a claim, why would he "prove" them anything? Bottom line, card/info stolen and fraudulent charges are made, you file a claim, you get your money back. Your credit is unaffected. The stories you hear about peoples credit getting ruined is when someone basically steals your whole identity and uses it a while and opens lines of credits and loans under your identity. After a while your credit will be ruined and that's how you will learn about it, and again, you file a claim, and then its restored. The worst it can be is slightly inconvenient, probably even a little less inconvenient than worrying about it and crying about an harmless situation.

I had my identity stolen.  After I fixed all of the fradulent things with the 3 major credit agencies, I then asked my actual credit card companies to put the limits on my cards back to where they were (since they were radically lowered which is how I found out about the new cards/accounts that were overdrawn/maxed) not one bank/credit card company restored my card limits to where they were before the whole mess (that took about a year to straighten out).  My limits today, 5 years later, are still lower then before the mess.

My credit is still affected to this day.

Don't act like it all gets magically fixed once you clear up the mess, and that the mess doesn't cost you time and money to straighten out.

Getting your identity stolen totally sucks.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 12, 2012, 05:20:57 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)

Right, so having my utility bill and license and picture of me with my e-mail/login/date could potentially help someone not me "prove" or provide the "proof" that the credit card company needs.

Regardless, it may show up as a "ding" on my "credit report/score" and I don't know what the implications of that would be. 
YOU file a claim for fraud. Regardless of the information or documentation they had, once you file a claim, why would he "prove" them anything? Bottom line, card/info stolen and fraudulent charges are made, you file a claim, you get your money back. Your credit is unaffected. The stories you hear about peoples credit getting ruined is when someone basically steals your whole identity and uses it a while and opens lines of credits and loans under your identity. After a while your credit will be ruined and that's how you will learn about it, and again, you file a claim, and then its restored. The worst it can be is slightly inconvenient, probably even a little less inconvenient than worrying about it and crying about an harmless situation.

I had my identity stolen.  After I fixed all of the fradulent things with the 3 major credit agencies, I then asked my actual credit card companies to put the limits on my cards back to where they were (since they were radically lowered which is how I found out about the new cards/accounts that were overdrawn/maxed) not one bank/credit card company restored my card limits to where they were before the whole mess (that took about a year to straighten out).  My limits today, 5 years later, are still lower then before the mess.

My credit is still affected to this day.

Don't act like it all gets magically fixed once you clear up the mess, and that the mess doesn't cost you time and money to straighten out.

Getting your identity stolen totally sucks.

Thank you for your comments.  Do you have any recommendation for my situation?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 12, 2012, 05:52:21 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen? 

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)

Right, so having my utility bill and license and picture of me with my e-mail/login/date could potentially help someone not me "prove" or provide the "proof" that the credit card company needs.

Regardless, it may show up as a "ding" on my "credit report/score" and I don't know what the implications of that would be. 
YOU file a claim for fraud. Regardless of the information or documentation they had, once you file a claim, why would he "prove" them anything? Bottom line, card/info stolen and fraudulent charges are made, you file a claim, you get your money back. Your credit is unaffected. The stories you hear about peoples credit getting ruined is when someone basically steals your whole identity and uses it a while and opens lines of credits and loans under your identity. After a while your credit will be ruined and that's how you will learn about it, and again, you file a claim, and then its restored. The worst it can be is slightly inconvenient, probably even a little less inconvenient than worrying about it and crying about an harmless situation.

I had my identity stolen.  After I fixed all of the fradulent things with the 3 major credit agencies, I then asked my actual credit card companies to put the limits on my cards back to where they were (since they were radically lowered which is how I found out about the new cards/accounts that were overdrawn/maxed) not one bank/credit card company restored my card limits to where they were before the whole mess (that took about a year to straighten out).  My limits today, 5 years later, are still lower then before the mess.

My credit is still affected to this day.

Don't act like it all gets magically fixed once you clear up the mess, and that the mess doesn't cost you time and money to straighten out.

Getting your identity stolen totally sucks.
Don't wanna go too off-topic, but may I ask if around that time or slightly before you might have into small financial difficulties (don't wanna be indiscrete either). Reason I ask is because usually when you get approved for increased limits, they will not decrease your credit line if you just have small financial difficulties (couple months late, and making occasional payments), but after going through identity theft I wouldn't be surprised they re-run your credit minus the theft.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: DutchBrat on October 12, 2012, 06:40:43 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen?  

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)

Right, so having my utility bill and license and picture of me with my e-mail/login/date could potentially help someone not me "prove" or provide the "proof" that the credit card company needs.

Regardless, it may show up as a "ding" on my "credit report/score" and I don't know what the implications of that would be.  
YOU file a claim for fraud. Regardless of the information or documentation they had, once you file a claim, why would he "prove" them anything? Bottom line, card/info stolen and fraudulent charges are made, you file a claim, you get your money back. Your credit is unaffected. The stories you hear about peoples credit getting ruined is when someone basically steals your whole identity and uses it a while and opens lines of credits and loans under your identity. After a while your credit will be ruined and that's how you will learn about it, and again, you file a claim, and then its restored. The worst it can be is slightly inconvenient, probably even a little less inconvenient than worrying about it and crying about an harmless situation.

Well, it is a bit more serious than that. My gf had fraud done, actually the credit card company warned her and blocked her credit card. Lots of automatic payments on it... they all didn't get through... mortgage too late.... and that is what affects your credit rating....

Was a lot of hassle to get everything back in order... not to mention you get a new card, you have to re-file your new number with all the automatic payments



Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: silverbox on October 12, 2012, 07:02:29 PM
damnit. i must have just missed the processing period.

i got the login screen but after putting in my email and payout address i got a 404.

now the front page says:

Quote
Update:we are currently unable to process account closures, and will inform our users when this service resumes.

OK, you've got my attention.  I'll gladly take any brainstorming from people on what can be done with my electric bill, my ID and a picture of me with the date, my login & e-mail...

#1) Seriously, what could happen?  

#2) And what can I do about it now?

I'm pretty sure the answer to #1 is not too much (fingers crossed).

but I'm even more sure the answer to #2 is nothing...

gah, I guess this had to happen sooner or later.  Perhaps I should cancel or put a hold on my credit lines?  Any other ideas?


Nefario has enough to open an online bank account in your name. Plus hand your pic over to the grand jury.

Thank you for your thoughts & comments.

So Nefario can open an online bank account in my name.  This would show up on my credit report; so I can call the credit agency and have them lock down my credit line, so that only unlocking it would allow a new line of credit to be opened.  This costs $5 or something to turn on and off I think (based on what a co-worker told me).

However, say I don't do this, then what?  I guess he could open the account and try to over draft it and then peace out?  Then this would make me look bad and hit my credit as a default?  Hopefully, no institution would let more than $1,000 ish go like this.  I'll be making enough with bitcoins that I won't have to worry about silly fiat credit lines anyway... at least that's the plan for now.

Anything I'm missing?

As for the stock portfolio account in a country I don't know existed; not sure what other issues could happen with that.  Seems like people keep offshore accounts and don't go to jail all the time.  However, if someone were to link me with the account in the next 2 years (that's when my license will expire), there should be a trail of where the money came from.  Good thing I'm not involved with online anonymous digital currency/commodities that could have gotten the money there untraceable...

heh, oh well.  I'm not too worried of the risk just yet.  Perhaps, I'll lock my credit report since I don't need credit.  I've already got my house mortgage refinanced & won't be needing any additional debt anytime soon.
You are never liable for any theft from your credit card company. Even if someone has all the information necessary, if ultimately if it wasn't you, you are not liable. And in most cases you don't really have to prove that it wasn't you, they have to prove it was you. (Camera, voice recognition, signature, address and/or pick up etc etc)

Right, so having my utility bill and license and picture of me with my e-mail/login/date could potentially help someone not me "prove" or provide the "proof" that the credit card company needs.

Regardless, it may show up as a "ding" on my "credit report/score" and I don't know what the implications of that would be.  
YOU file a claim for fraud. Regardless of the information or documentation they had, once you file a claim, why would he "prove" them anything? Bottom line, card/info stolen and fraudulent charges are made, you file a claim, you get your money back. Your credit is unaffected. The stories you hear about peoples credit getting ruined is when someone basically steals your whole identity and uses it a while and opens lines of credits and loans under your identity. After a while your credit will be ruined and that's how you will learn about it, and again, you file a claim, and then its restored. The worst it can be is slightly inconvenient, probably even a little less inconvenient than worrying about it and crying about an harmless situation.

I had my identity stolen.  After I fixed all of the fradulent things with the 3 major credit agencies, I then asked my actual credit card companies to put the limits on my cards back to where they were (since they were radically lowered which is how I found out about the new cards/accounts that were overdrawn/maxed) not one bank/credit card company restored my card limits to where they were before the whole mess (that took about a year to straighten out).  My limits today, 5 years later, are still lower then before the mess.

My credit is still affected to this day.

Don't act like it all gets magically fixed once you clear up the mess, and that the mess doesn't cost you time and money to straighten out.

Getting your identity stolen totally sucks.
Don't wanna go too off-topic, but may I ask if around that time or slightly before you might have into small financial difficulties (don't wanna be indiscrete either). Reason I ask is because usually when you get approved for increased limits, they will not decrease your credit line if you just have small financial difficulties (couple months late, and making occasional payments), but after going through identity theft I wouldn't be surprised they re-run your credit minus the theft.

No difficulties, I had perfect credit, 15-20k card limits that dropped to 1.5k (from the fraudulent accounts/cards that were maxed and overdue (the total rip off was about 20k, I had to file police reports about the fraudulent accounts send them to the banks/companies so that they would give the credit agencies the ok to remove the negative items))  I went to buy christmas presents and my card was declined, I was like wtf..  My christmas present that year was to get my identity stolen.  

You really don't know what your talking about, until it happens to you.

I specifically asked my legit accounts, after I cleared up the fraudulent accounts, to raise my limits back to where they were and they didn't, they raised them up a lil from 1.5k and have raised them a few times since, but they are still below where they were FIVE years ago.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 12, 2012, 09:10:14 PM
Honestly that's pretty weird. Zero liability for credit theft is not a credit card policy, its actually federal law. I don't wanna argue because I don't know the details, but the cc company seems to have failed to comply with federal laws in your case.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: silverbox on October 12, 2012, 10:09:52 PM
Honestly that's pretty weird. Zero liability for credit theft is not a credit card policy, its actually federal law. I don't wanna argue because I don't know the details, but the cc company seems to have failed to comply with federal laws in your case.

Oh?  What federal law code section says that card limits have to be reset to pre fraud amounts?



Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 13, 2012, 02:10:15 AM
Honestly that's pretty weird. Zero liability for credit theft is not a credit card policy, its actually federal law. I don't wanna argue because I don't know the details, but the cc company seems to have failed to comply with federal laws in your case.

Oh?  What federal law code section says that card limits have to be reset to pre fraud amounts?


Which law section says you cannot stab someone 3 times in the leg, 4 in the chest, 2 in the arms?

... You are not LIABLE for credit card fraud. Dictionary the word in caps.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: silverbox on October 13, 2012, 02:20:55 AM
Honestly that's pretty weird. Zero liability for credit theft is not a credit card policy, its actually federal law. I don't wanna argue because I don't know the details, but the cc company seems to have failed to comply with federal laws in your case.

Oh?  What federal law code section says that card limits have to be reset to pre fraud amounts?


Which law section says you cannot stab someone 3 times in the leg, 4 in the chest, 2 in the arms?

... You are not LIABLE for credit card fraud. Dictionary the word in caps.

Fine, post all your personal information if you think getting your identity stolen is no big deal.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on October 13, 2012, 04:26:39 AM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BurtW on October 13, 2012, 04:38:30 AM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.
Reference?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Deprived on October 13, 2012, 07:17:31 AM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.

Nefario's not even in the US.  There's no such thing as a grand jury in the UK where he is.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kuzetsa on October 13, 2012, 04:41:09 PM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.

Nefario's not even in the US.  There's no such thing as a grand jury in the UK where he is.

@Deprived

We use a thing called extradition here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties)

... but I'm not sure if that applies where you live.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: niko on October 13, 2012, 04:47:59 PM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.
Reference?
Reference, or welcome to the ignore list.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Deprived on October 13, 2012, 04:54:59 PM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.

Nefario's not even in the US.  There's no such thing as a grand jury in the UK where he is.

@Deprived

We use a thing called extradition here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties)

... but I'm not sure if that applies where you live.

Was just pointing out how dumb that post by Trade Fortress was.  Yes I know about extradition treaties - but unless/until nefario was extradited (a process which takes ages with all the appeals process in the UK) he wouldn't be facing 18 months in prison for not testifying.  Not to mention that even in front of a grand jury he can't be forced to testify if doing so would incriminate himself (unless given immunity first).


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: jborkl on October 13, 2012, 05:52:28 PM
None of you guys actually know any felons? I know plenty and just to get to court is at least 6 months.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: stochastic on October 13, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.

Nefario's not even in the US.  There's no such thing as a grand jury in the UK where he is.

@Deprived

We use a thing called extradition here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties)

... but I'm not sure if that applies where you live.

Was just pointing out how dumb that post by Trade Fortress was.  Yes I know about extradition treaties - but unless/until nefario was extradited (a process which takes ages with all the appeals process in the UK) he wouldn't be facing 18 months in prison for not testifying.  Not to mention that even in front of a grand jury he can't be forced to testify if doing so would incriminate himself (unless given immunity first).

Just slip into the Ecuadorian embassy.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Jurek on October 13, 2012, 06:45:22 PM
...they have wi-fi :)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Audriux9 on October 13, 2012, 10:51:15 PM
Just to let you know, I am pretty sure I got a refund from GLBSE 3 hours ago,an amount equal exactly to my account balance before GLBSE closure.

After GLBSE allowed to log into account, I filled only email, and BTC withdrawal address. I left AML data unfilled.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Philj on October 13, 2012, 10:53:05 PM
Just to let you know, I am pretty sure I got a refund from GLBSE 3 hours ago,an amount equal exactly to my account balance before GLBSE closure.

After GLBSE allowed to log into account, I filled only email, and BTC withdrawal address. I left AML data unfilled.

Great. But has anyone gotten info regarding the assets held?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Audriux9 on October 13, 2012, 11:14:04 PM
Just to let you know, I am pretty sure I got a refund from GLBSE 3 hours ago,an amount equal exactly to my account balance before GLBSE closure.

After GLBSE allowed to log into account, I filled only email, and BTC withdrawal address. I left AML data unfilled.

no bitcoins for me yet...  :(

Anyone else apart from Audriux9 received any coins?

Here is transaction ID (https://blockchain.info/tx/dcbcfe0dfb8a69f9f98eb69f6784b41e379f80c4f38b3911205b4c017d999ed5)

If you try to dig where does the funds come from, you could discover some interesting findings...

Edit:

It seems around 4700 BTC was paid out, many people had to get their Bitcoins back.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Bogart on October 13, 2012, 11:22:58 PM
I haz bitcoins too, paid to my claim address in the full amount a little under 3 hours ago.  I never submitted the "AML" identity data.

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/29589982/4a5feb42d53649159a6eb182853af0e576935cad9c27eeacab4580c2ea8afdf1

I had about stopped believing in happy endings.

Now if we can just get the ownership information, much of the damage will be mitigated.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 13, 2012, 11:34:13 PM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.

Nefario's not even in the US.  There's no such thing as a grand jury in the UK where he is.

@Deprived

We use a thing called extradition here... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties)

... but I'm not sure if that applies where you live.
Extradition? You mean on a securities fraud crime that had no direct negative effect (and probably indirect either) AND for a crime on UK soil... Those are all very unlikely... And a grand jury?... lol try a ADA


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kibblesnbits on October 14, 2012, 12:47:04 AM
nefario is forced to testify in a grand jury.. otherwise he'll get 18 months in prison.

He could have gotten a subpoena to testify in front of a grand jury.  A US citizen could be required to comply or possibly face a bench warrant.  If he did get a subpoena, he wouldn't be the one under indictment proceedings.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 14, 2012, 02:47:40 AM
I gave the AML info (as I mentioned before).  and I received my refund several hours ago.  The amount looks reasonable compared to my records.

Looking forward to hearing from the people running the shares I hold.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: AngryCatfish on October 14, 2012, 03:10:23 AM
Yea looks like people are starting to get back small amounts but no word... seems suspect.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: matauc12 on October 14, 2012, 06:21:03 AM
Yea looks like people are starting to get back small amounts but no word... seems suspect.
exactly the point of my posts.... "good shit happens" oh fuck were screwed


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: OgNasty on October 14, 2012, 06:55:16 AM
Yea looks like people are starting to get back small amounts but no word... seems suspect.

https://twitter.com/bitcoinglobal/status/257243893773504512


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Energizer on October 14, 2012, 11:06:04 AM
I've received BTC from GLBSE.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: DutchBrat on October 14, 2012, 11:15:56 AM
Received 0.30 Btc.... 1st step done  :)

Now waiting on any confirmation of my assets


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 14, 2012, 12:44:31 PM
Yea looks like people are starting to get back small amounts but no word... seems suspect.
exactly the point of my posts.... "good shit happens" oh fuck were screwed

Fair concern, but I've received the funds from my account.  I know the two people running the assets I own and despite some radio silence from a personal communication standpoint, some words have been posted on this forum. 

I'm still not worried about the future of my investment, but that's just me.

~ciao


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: VeeMiner on October 14, 2012, 12:47:24 PM
so anyone got their money back yet?


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: conspirosphere.tk on October 14, 2012, 01:19:16 PM
so anyone got their money back yet?

Not me. But I am not so worried about my 0.70 BTC as much my 140 BTC in assets.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 14, 2012, 01:20:12 PM
so anyone got their money back yet?

Yes, I received my 18+ BTC back & I gave them the 3 forms of AML verification.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BTCGOLD on October 14, 2012, 01:58:38 PM
I cant get my money back because here is no way to do a " forgot my password"


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Energizer on October 14, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
I cant get my money back because here is no way to do a " forgot my password"

Email them, they would help you on that. Be patient as it usually take them long time to reply.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BTCGOLD on October 15, 2012, 12:03:28 AM
I cant get my money back because here is no way to do a " forgot my password"

Email them, they would help you on that. Be patient as it usually take them long time to reply.

Found a way to recover password:

https://glbse.com/recover



Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BR0KK on October 15, 2012, 08:14:40 PM
i lost my gauth as i described earlier.....

GLBSE is not responding to that .....



Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: Jurek on October 15, 2012, 10:07:13 PM
One little step for Nef... :D


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: BurtW on October 15, 2012, 10:52:35 PM
i think some people received their coins just with their username/email/password, no more verification. Am i wrong?
All you have to input now is your email address, your Bitcoin address and an optional checkbox to share your information with the asset issuers.

He is not asking for AML docs anymore and I got my BTC.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: EnzoMatrix on October 15, 2012, 11:32:57 PM
I got my BTC whit only email and BTC address. 


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 16, 2012, 01:25:32 AM
i think some people received their coins just with their username/email/password, no more verification. Am i wrong?

correct, I'm pretty sure James & I were the only ones to fork over our AML docs, haha.

I'm confident Nef won't go stealing my identity :)


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: bitcoinbit on October 16, 2012, 06:54:22 AM
Sorry if this has been covered but what is happening with outstanding buy orders?
Surely they were cancelled when GLBSE closed and should therefore be part of the balance being returned?!


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kjlimo on October 16, 2012, 12:16:11 PM
Sorry if this has been covered but what is happening with outstanding buy orders?
Surely they were cancelled when GLBSE closed and should therefore be part of the balance being returned?!

I'm pretty sure that's what they are doing, but I am not them, so this is unofficial opinion.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: HorseRider on October 16, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
Update

GLBSE.com
Quote
If you've been having problems logging in (lost your password or two-factor auth) and have contacted support, please be patient. Due to the huge volume of emails coming in I won't be able to address support emails until most bitcoin has been refunded and assets details given out. Once this is done I will address your problem and get your bitcoin and assets back to you.

Though it takes time, but seems that everything is progressing. People who lost the password or two-factor auth need not be worried now.


Title: Re: Verifing account of GLBSE discussion
Post by: kuzetsa on October 17, 2012, 02:35:13 AM
So a lot of us have finished the process on the web site.

Has anyone gotten their BTC back yet?

All I got was an email... which I traced back to: 216.150.78.34

... Not sure if this is right:

  • whois search for IP: 216.150.78.34 (http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-216-150-64-0-1/pft)
  • (Essential Services "Group") (http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/ESSS) ----Actual contact for the IP 216.150.78.34
  • (Unrelated? / different? Essential Services "Group")  (http://www.essentialservicesgroup.com/services.html) Similarly named organization on the same street in the same city with a similar name?

Not sure if I looked this up right, but it really seems (to me) I got an email originating from IP address allocation which seems to be * (disclaimer at bottom of this post) ??? owned by / I think it's some random law office which specializes in helping create international paper-trail stuffs.



...Snippit from email headers:

Code:
Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.216.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of no-reply@glbse.com) client-ip=209.85.216.48;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.216.48 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of no-reply@glbse.com) smtp.mail=no-reply@glbse.com

((...snip...))

Return-Path: <no-reply@glbse.com>
Received: from no-reply ([216.150.78.34])

((...snip...))

Subject: Your GLBSE account has been processed for bitcoin.

Quote from: SCARY glbse email
Your GLBSE account has been processed for bitcoin.
The next step will be to send you information about your assets,
and to provide this information to issuers (if you agreed)
allowing you to continue your relationship with your issuers.



Code:
Domain name: ESSENTIALSERVICESGROUP.COM

Administrative Contact:
Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 019064559, essentialservicesgroup.com@contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457
Technical Contact:
Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 019064559, essentialservicesgroup.com@contactprivacy.com
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457





* (disclaimer at bottom of this post) ??? hard to prove, the info associated with // Essential Services "Group" // is sketchy and they're using domain privacy with their domain registrar... Really doubt I'm going to convince anyone to release more information without law enforcement, evidence that I'm investigating actual illegal-type scams (or even just spam junkmail) or a court order, etc.



Edited to add:

I haven't got anything but this weirdo email...

I gave them my email address, a bitcoin address under my control, and clicked the checkbox to let them share my info with asset issuer(s)

... Nobody has sent back a single satoshi to the address I provided (it's one I control... Even tested / sent myself a bit of BTC to test before pasting it on the GLBSE website the other day)