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Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Cryptonitex on September 15, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
Your right. BitCoin sholudn't have a leader people follow blindly. BitCoin is for everybody, but I'm thinking Steve Jobs, and look how powerful he was. People would buy anything he says.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Mickeyb on September 15, 2015, 09:54:28 PM
I think you are overreacting. People will always be people, ready to gossip, talk a lot and to have many conspiracy theories, good or bad ones. That's just in a human nature and I don't think we can escape this. Especially when we don't know who our creator is. I bet this will be hot topic until Bitcoin will exist.

I have noticed though, that many people on this forum believe Nick Szabo really is Satoshi! Quite funny if you ask me! :)


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: a7mos on September 15, 2015, 09:57:05 PM
For me , I do not care if satoshi is a man or a woman or a group of developers because he/she did not want to be known so why should I know ?


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: NorrisK on September 15, 2015, 09:59:59 PM
I think you are overreacting. People will always be people, ready to gossip, talk a lot and to have many conspiracy theories, good or bad ones. That's just in a human nature and I don't think we can escape this. Especially when we don't know who our creator is. I bet this will be hot topic until Bitcoin will exist.

I have noticed though, that many people on this forum believe Nick Szabo really is Satoshi! Quite funny if you ask me! :)

Would be really funny if he actually ended up being him ;)

I agree, we shouldn't point fingers at people just to have a face to satoshi.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: AgentofCoin on September 15, 2015, 10:00:14 PM
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I have noticed though, that many people on this forum believe Nick Szabo really is Satoshi! Quite funny if you ask me! :)

I would also like to point out, that many people on this forum also think Dorian Nakamoto really is Satoshi, as well.
So it doesn't really matter in the long run. Satoshi has fallen into shadow.
https://disenchantedscholar.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/ruined-fallen-into-shadow-lotr-galadriel.gif


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: B4zzA on September 15, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
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I have noticed though, that many people on this forum believe Nick Szabo really is Satoshi! Quite funny if you ask me! :)

I would also like to point out, that many people on this forum also think Dorian Nakamoto really is Satoshi, as well.
So it doesn't really matter in the long run. Satoshi has fallen into shadow.
https://disenchantedscholar.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/ruined-fallen-into-shadow-lotr-galadriel.gif

Satoshi will and always shall be a legend. If he isn't the elite plaything then he would never reveal his identity because they would come after him.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Gleb Gamow on September 16, 2015, 12:51:07 AM
I think you are overreacting. People will always be people, ready to gossip, talk a lot and to have many conspiracy theories, good or bad ones. That's just in a human nature and I don't think we can escape this. Especially when we don't know who our creator is. I bet this will be hot topic until Bitcoin will exist.

I have noticed though, that many people on this forum believe Nick Szabo really is Satoshi! Quite funny if you ask me! :)

One of the few books I've read cover-to-cover three times and keep on-hand: The Math Gene: How Mathematical Thinking Evolved And Why Numbers Are Like Gossip (http://www.amazon.com/The-Math-Gene-Mathematical-Thinking/dp/0465016197)

Quote
Why is math so hard? And why, despite this difficulty, are some people so good at it? If there’s some inborn capacity for mathematical thinking—which there must be, otherwise no one could do it —why can’t we all do it well? Keith Devlin has answers to all these difficult questions, and in giving them shows us how mathematical ability evolved, why it’s a part of language ability, and how we can make better use of this innate talent.He also offers a breathtakingly new theory of language development—that language evolved in two stages, and its main purpose was not communication—to show that the ability to think mathematically arose out of the same symbol-manipulating ability that was so crucial to the emergence of true language. Why, then, can’t we do math as well as we can speak? The answer, says Devlin, is that we can and do—we just don’t recognize when we’re using mathematical reasoning.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Q7 on September 16, 2015, 01:03:04 AM
People would like to believe in anything and call anyone a god when they run into crisis. I think overall it normal or that is what mankind is all about.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Brad Harrison on September 16, 2015, 01:17:51 AM
There are too many people who are treating some developers or crypto "celebs" as Satoshi, Nick Szabo comes to the front of my mind and too many people are taking his word as Satoshi's. The idea of thinking someone is Satoshi could be bad for us, too many people would blindly follow whatever he said or proposed even when it could be negative for the ecosystem.

For now lets just treat Developers as what they are, helpful people involved with the progress of Bitcoin and keep the whole Satoshi idea out of it.

(Or proposing anyone as a leader, Bitcoin doesn't need that)

I couldn't agree anymore with this sentence


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on September 16, 2015, 03:25:38 AM
ah come on. , no one believes Dorian is satoshi.  find me one person who thinks that.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Kakmakr on September 16, 2015, 05:48:24 AM
At this moment many of the things Nick Szabo is saying, is the truth. Some people here would gladly dismiss him as being Satoshi, because it does not fit their agenda if he was Satoshi. It is true that we currently have a kind of Civil war going on. Gavin was the previous leader, and now he wants back in. Mike Hearn created the revolution to take over control from the Core guys and Gavin is supporting this.

Nick Szabo might not be Satoshi, but his views and the technology he created <Bit Gold> is the closest to what Satoshi had in mind, when he or they created Bitcoin.

We do not want another PayPal. Thanks.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: TheMage on September 16, 2015, 05:56:48 AM
I think you are overreacting. People will always be people, ready to gossip, talk a lot and to have many conspiracy theories, good or bad ones. That's just in a human nature and I don't think we can escape this. Especially when we don't know who our creator is. I bet this will be hot topic until Bitcoin will exist.

I have noticed though, that many people on this forum believe Nick Szabo really is Satoshi! Quite funny if you ask me! :)

One of the few books I've read cover-to-cover three times and keep on-hand: The Math Gene: How Mathematical Thinking Evolved And Why Numbers Are Like Gossip (http://www.amazon.com/The-Math-Gene-Mathematical-Thinking/dp/0465016197)

Quote
Why is math so hard? And why, despite this difficulty, are some people so good at it? If there’s some inborn capacity for mathematical thinking—which there must be, otherwise no one could do it —why can’t we all do it well? Keith Devlin has answers to all these difficult questions, and in giving them shows us how mathematical ability evolved, why it’s a part of language ability, and how we can make better use of this innate talent.He also offers a breathtakingly new theory of language development—that language evolved in two stages, and its main purpose was not communication—to show that the ability to think mathematically arose out of the same symbol-manipulating ability that was so crucial to the emergence of true language. Why, then, can’t we do math as well as we can speak? The answer, says Devlin, is that we can and do—we just don’t recognize when we’re using mathematical reasoning.


This quote is very inspirational, thank you :)


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: glub0x on September 16, 2015, 06:24:14 AM
At this moment many of the things Nick Szabo is saying, is the truth. Some people here would gladly dismiss him as being Satoshi, because it does not fit their agenda if he was Satoshi. It is true that we currently have a kind of Civil war going on. Gavin was the previous leader, and now he wants back in. Mike Hearn created the revolution to take over control from the Core guys and Gavin is supporting this.

Nick Szabo might not be Satoshi, but his views and the technology he created <Bit Gold> is the closest to what Satoshi had in mind, when he or they created Bitcoin.

We do not want another PayPal. Thanks.
The same argument can be used the other way round.  Szabo is quoted Satoshi because he made his position clear and this position fits their view.


Nobody here want a new paypal, then what?


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Kprawn on September 16, 2015, 06:36:04 AM
In times where there are no true leadership, people will find leadership in the one who bring the truth.  ::)

Nick Szabo is not a media junky and when he speaks, people listen. The podcast was very informative and many people wanted to know where he sided on this matter. We cannot ignore his opinion because he might

not happen to be Satoshi. We have listened to Gavin / Mike / Wladmir / Peter / Andreas and many other and none of it made more sense, than what Nick said in that single podcast.  ;)

Go back to the basics and put Bitcoin first.  ::)  


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: killerjoegreece on September 16, 2015, 07:12:45 AM
we will never know who satoshi really is.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: evanito on September 17, 2015, 02:00:01 AM
Note: When clicking this thread, I thought it was about treating people like money.

Turns out I wasn't too far off.

Anyway, I don't wish to find our bitcoin messiah, I just hope we (the bitcoin community) can learn to handle ourselves. That's what bitcoin stands for, isn't it?

Peer to peer, no centralization. Even when deciding issues. That's the dream.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: knight22 on September 17, 2015, 02:11:07 AM
I quite recently though Szabo was Satoshi but with all the recent Szabo unprofessional post on twitter, it is clear that he is not Satoshi.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: TheMage on September 17, 2015, 03:06:00 AM
I do not think people really would blindly follow Satoshi, I think it just became an icon like Chuck Norris (I hate those stupid discussions about how Cuck Norris can do whatever, but people is free to do/say/write whatever stupid thing they want).

Also, well, I think that as humans we feel attracted for guessing games, and this is a big one.


How dare you question Chuck Norris!


Did you know..........?





http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/37901449.jpg


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: jdbtracker on September 17, 2015, 03:57:03 AM
Note: When clicking this thread, I thought it was about treating people like money.

Turns out I wasn't too far off.

Anyway, I don't wish to find our bitcoin messiah, I just hope we (the bitcoin community) can learn to handle ourselves. That's what bitcoin stands for, isn't it?

Peer to peer, no centralization. Even when deciding issues. That's the dream.

Man, going into this thread I thought people had finally realized Satoshi is a Interdimensional Time Traveling AI from the future.  ;D

"Can we quit pretending,"people," are Satoshi?"


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: tommorisonwebdesign on September 17, 2015, 04:17:46 AM
I don't think we need to find out who the guy behind bitcoin is really. It is better off people don't know who satoshi is so he doesn't get prosecuted by federal authorities. If we had a bitcoin leader, it would really contradict the open nature of the technology.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: TheMage on September 17, 2015, 04:26:10 AM
I don't think we need to find out who the guy behind bitcoin is really. It is better off people don't know who satoshi is so he doesn't get prosecuted by federal authorities. If we had a bitcoin leader, it would really contradict the open nature of the technology.


What I find very interesting is that it requires a centralized entity in order to direct consensus.


in all seriousness, Chuck Norris aside, I think you guys may be missing the bigger picture here.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: Kakmakr on September 17, 2015, 05:52:02 AM
At this moment many of the things Nick Szabo is saying, is the truth. Some people here would gladly dismiss him as being Satoshi, because it does not fit their agenda if he was Satoshi. It is true that we currently have a kind of Civil war going on. Gavin was the previous leader, and now he wants back in. Mike Hearn created the revolution to take over control from the Core guys and Gavin is supporting this.

Nick Szabo might not be Satoshi, but his views and the technology he created <Bit Gold> is the closest to what Satoshi had in mind, when he or they created Bitcoin.

We do not want another PayPal. Thanks.
The same argument can be used the other way round.  Szabo is quoted Satoshi because he made his position clear and this position fits their view.


Nobody here want a new paypal, then what?

Well I guess we give the people a viable and working alternative to PayPal. Something not governed by a single person or a group, who will censor or ban users with lower fees and no charge backs. How does that sound?

Let people decide who they want their Satoshi to be, if that gives them comfort. We do not need to steer them in a direction we want them to follow. ^hmmm^


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: B4zzA on September 17, 2015, 07:54:29 AM
I don't think we need to find out who the guy behind bitcoin is really. It is better off people don't know who satoshi is so he doesn't get prosecuted by federal authorities. If we had a bitcoin leader, it would really contradict the open nature of the technology.

Satoshi is anon developer who abandoned his project just like all the other devs who make pump and dumps.

Bitcoin is the biggest pump and dump in the history of PnDs,


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: glub0x on September 17, 2015, 08:08:07 AM

Well I guess we give the people a viable and working alternative to PayPal. Something not governed by a single person or a group, who will censor or ban users with lower fees and no charge backs. How does that sound?

Good to me. Paypal is around 100 transaction/sec so that would be at least a 15MB block as a start .
This sound more like Satoshi's view than Szabo to me.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: randy8777 on September 17, 2015, 08:15:40 AM
I don't think we need to find out who the guy behind bitcoin is really. It is better off people don't know who satoshi is so he doesn't get prosecuted by federal authorities. If we had a bitcoin leader, it would really contradict the open nature of the technology.

Satoshi is anon developer who abandoned his project just like all the other devs who make pump and dumps.

Bitcoin is the biggest pump and dump in the history of PnDs,

bitcoin is nothing compared to stock pump and dumps. beside that, bitcoin is still here while not many expected that at the very beginning of bitcoin. satoshi most likely left as his side of the job was finished.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: jacee on September 17, 2015, 08:18:32 AM
Like how bitcoin works, satoshi should be left anonymous to everyone. There is an advantage in it and some people don't understand this.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: coinpr0n on September 17, 2015, 08:21:56 AM
Forever thankful to Satoshi, s/he is a genius for putting this experiment together, but when you look at it s/he basically just put together a bunch of pieces that were already around and possible only now at the time we live in. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: bieberluvr on November 11, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
There's a reason Satoshi decided to remain anonymous.  He didn't want to become a 'Steve Jobs' - He wanted Bitcoin to develop from the efforts of a community, rather than from the mouth of a dictator...


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: CreativeCarol on February 18, 2016, 08:40:20 PM
They're just inside jokes of sorts I'm sure. It doesn't matter who Satoshi is, as he is gone and wants to be alone. It is what it is.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: RodeoX on February 18, 2016, 08:44:37 PM
I think Satoshi has said everything that needed to be said in the protocol.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: bitcoin revo on February 19, 2016, 03:27:07 AM
They're just inside jokes of sorts I'm sure. It doesn't matter who Satoshi is, as he is gone and wants to be alone. It is what it is.

Not to the scoop-hungry bloggers and reporters who make a desperate attempt at getting the big hit. You should look around and there will probably be a "Satoshi FOUND!" blog/news article claiming some random guy is Satoshi.

I have long past begun to ignore such articles.


Title: Re: Can we quit pretending people are Satoshi?
Post by: LinaMay on February 19, 2016, 08:30:30 AM
To be honest, I still feel like Satoshi is all of us. He lives within all of us, therefore we all are Satoshi.