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Just look at my cloudbet affiliate figures for all time.
Takes some swallowing.
 >:(

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/16/11/23/28/screen10.jpg

Dont worry you got giant bettors,they can lose easily all the money that they won
maybe you will have more luck in the future :)

Lol good for you affilates then, at least they made something. Although how does negative affilate balance work there? Can't you just make another account and ref from there and start from zero instead of the negative that you are at now?

I had a single affiliate and he lost about 3 bitcoin and my revenue was like 1.2 btc

But why would he do that,he has here 59 refs they can generate btc for him in the future and get him out of minus

also can someone give me the link where i can sign up for cloudbet affiliates?>

His first month or his every month this negative stats?
because can is you are a lucky man and who join under you win , can is a good pubblicity  ;D

In the long run, they will lose.
You will get your money from them.  8)

So you lost money when other people win as your referrals?  ???

https://www.cloudbet.com/en/about-affiliates

I would say same you need not to worry in the on long term they will loose and their loss will be your profit.When someone gets easy money can not stay away much time to make more from that.Easy came money goes easily too.Just have patience and you will be in positive balance.

The "problem" of have more affiliates is this, 56 can lose all and only win and you lose your % . I like use a gambling site with payment for wagered , not for loss

I like revenue share model instead of guaranteed percent of wagered. Income can go higher and it is better long term.

the problem is if they stop beting and withdraw the fund they have so it will be a giant lose for him but the chance of losing all is higher than they withdraw all of us don't know when to stop :P

Isn't your revenue dependent on how much your referrals wager? How are your supposed to be concerned with what they win and what they don't?  Isn't this referral system crooked?

But at a revenue share model you always want your affiliates to lose which I think isn't that nice of a behaviour  ;)

positive thinking, you might get a dressing more  :)

I never knew being affiliate partner you are also responsible for the winning of the people that signed up on your link. Thanks for the information.

With affiliates you never know how much money you will make. With my affiliate FortuneJack the balance gets cleared every month if a gambler makes money.

I am deep in the negative in their affiliate program, probably the reason is  the most luckiest players join under my link.

57 referrals, awesome actually, I hope i will have so much players like you, how long do you get them? And how can you get so much referrals? It is very awesome dude, luckily cloudbet never ask you to pay 4.2BTC to them.  :D ;D

I wanna get referrals but I don't have one, very sad, luckily i got 67 referrals from dadice signature campaign, which is my best performance so far, with 0.019 btc commissions earned.

holy s!!!

Must change the strategy!

maybe you play too fast. gambling takes patience and luck. good luck next time guys

 :D No you are not
https://i.imgur.com/0hqHQbf.png?1

Damn you have some nice profit there! OP does cloudbet's affiliate reset every month? if it doesn't try some other casino/dice affiliate.

He is in negative his commission is -4.13BTC. They are tracking players you referred to them for life, they do not reset stats.

wow this guys is so profitable, but it is a newbie account, I think must be a whale behind this newbie account, 400BTC deposits are awesome, I guess he has a gambling affiliate site, so he can get so many referrals. Awesome!

lol, thx to your referrals you owe +4 btc to the site, that's absurd.

I think cloudbet affiliate program does not related to main account, so OP doesn't owe cloudbet anything, he just can't make money from affiliate program, he doesn't need to pay 4btc to the site.

tonyq can i ask you how have found 57 affiliate to one betting site? You have buy a banner campaign to any particular site adv in bitcoin ? thanks

In other word he owe cloudbet . If his affiliate start earning him some btc then still he has -4 btc before he can make any profit. That is alot and need the player to lose alot

I used to have the website www.bitcoinpunter.com but the UK Gambling Commission told me they would prosecute me if I didn't close it down.....so I did.
 :-[

Yeah, your explanation makes sense too, hehe, 4 BTC is not easy to get from affiliate program, so maybe OP will be difficult to make money from cloudbet program, but I think he can be profitable from other casinos' affiliate programs, cause if he has bad luck on CB, he could have good luck on other casinos.  :D

You have so many referrals man so don't worry about negative profit what you have now.I am sure you are going to make huge profit sooner.Would like to know the strategy you used to get so many referrals if you will you share with us here.

There was nothing very clever about what I did.....I just joined lots of bitcoin betting site's affiliate programmes, then loaded all their banners along with articles explaining the benefits of betting with bitcoin,  to the domain that I acquired at www.bitcoinpunter.com and submitted it to all the search engines .
I was doing very well until closed down. ....Very well with everyone except Cloudbet that is!
 :-\

Wow, do you mind to say how many have u earned from other casinos in total?  :o :o  Over 50 BTC profits?

Decent numbes man, loving it!
Referal numere not looses of yours aka refferal wins :)

What kind of referral system is this if you can go into negative balance ???

I like the way you succeeded to get so many referrals it is very impressive what you said ^^ above.Now I am convinced you will not only recover your loss but also will enter in positive balance very soon.I got some new idea from your explanation thanks for sharing this simple method.I see this can work for anyone to get lot of free referrals.Would give it a try to see how it works for me .

Everything I earned I gambled away!!
 :D

I really don't understand the dynamics here. Why would you lose money when your referrals win bets? Ref earning must be at fixed rate, even if they lose/win you have to get %1 or something like that. I know that most sites use this technique.

Things are different for a revenue sharing program. You share profit with a casino even if it is negative.
10% of the house edge is common practice for a dice site affiliate program.

With Cloudbet, you get 30% of the amount your punters lose.....up until about a year ago I was regularly cashing in a bit of commission every week or so....then all of a sudden, a winning whale signed up through my site and you can see the rest!
I just can't understand why these sort of guys never have losing runs so I can get back into the black on my account........It is absurd....when you take into account the house edge (be it casino, games, dice or sportsbook) they are defying the laws of probability with the returns they get long term on their bets. I have had a growing negative commission for exactly 11 months now.
As I originally said.....am I the unluckiest affiliate ever?
 >:(

I would not even suggest that.. at all.

If the affiliate earned based of other peoples winning or loss, why not just keep the 4 btc. Youre already at a loss if you think you`ll win..

Don't worry, the thought has crossed my mind.
I find it incredible that I can be in negative balance for 11 months with so much bitcoin being turned over regularly.
Cloudbet are supposed to win, not the punter.

So just seeing this makes me want to cringe.

But the moral is that no one ever really comes out at the top even if given referral btc to work with.. makes me want to stay away from gambling sites even more.

There are some lucky players can win big from casinos and sportsbook, I am one of them, i am up to 20BTC int total since I gamble, I started btc gamble from last year, and I am still profitable in this year, be rich is not impossible at least to me, of course those whales are more profitable than me.

well what was your intial starting balance? I`m sure it had to be 5 btc minimum.. or have a decent bankroll to work with.

20 btc is huge, are you still going to press your luck though? lol.

Dude he doesn't owe them anything it just means he won't make anything until they loose enough money to get out of minus stats don't worry it doesn't take long at all I have only 3 people that signed up under me and in the last six months I have made almost 5 BTC with all his he'll be making money in no time

I have won over 30 btc at bitcasino.io since jan
And got the Lego Simpson house (m.s.r.p 199$) as a vip gift for my kids

I would say same you need not to worry in the on long term
they will loose and their loss will be your profit.

When someone gets easy money
he can not stay away much time to make more from that.

Easy came money goes easily too.
Just have patience and you will be in positive balance.

Regards.

Last year I made crazy multiple money of dice, I made 40X of my deposit, and earned 10BTC, so my deposit was only 0.25btc, and this year I earned 1.5 btc from no deposit bonus, and others are made from sportsbook, mainly bet on tennis.

Wow, you are extremely lucky with gambling. (Not too lucky with referrals though :D) have you ever thought of creating a new cloudbet account just for referrals? You can use that one for now, and if you ever come out of the negative on this account you can always come back to it.

From where did you get these master gamblers as referrals?

Too many lucky players nowadays.

I will try my luck with some bets too!

As we know, it's easy to get refs from popular website ads.

"where did you get these master gamblers as referrals?"

The answer is: by luck  ;D

how does the odds work out for affiliates? if you have more sign ups that means you have more chances to lose no?

That is some serious cash man, congrats!

You are not the world's unluckiest affiliate partner but you are only the most world's honest person. No one win in gambling. Only that the others hide the true and don't tell that they have lost. They are so "proud" to be gambler people and have not the will to leave it that tell that the losers are only they who don't known this "profession". They lose regularly but have always money to lose (only they know the sources). So has no importance if they win or lose. Important is to gamble.

Please abandon gambling. You will never had profit from this "profession".

For Revenue Share program, earning are not guaranteed. If you have more sign ups your earnings should be higher, but one from the referred players may win Jackpot and your stats will never go to positive.

199 deposited  :o Wow i've never seen such money in my life. Your revenue should be booming just for the sole reason you sent so many loaded people to the casino.

It could be insider, too. If you gain a lot of profit from your referrals they tried to cut your earnings. They can do this by joinin with your affiliate link and made rigged bets. It's too easy for them if they choose this way.

You have so much referrals but not to worry, your referrals will start to lose eventually unless all of them are experts or stop gambling.

I am not able to understand what type of affiliate program are you in, as per my knowledge who ever joined in your referral when they deposit you earn from their deposit of some percentage, but here you are showing that you got 57 referrals and that they also deposited but instead of getting commission on deposit you are in minus. still in confusing of what type of affiliate partner are you.

It's a revenue share model which means that you will gain/lose commision depending on the loss/profit of your referrals.

So if they lose much you gain much but if the are winning you won't get anything...

57 referals to casino site is not seems bit buy the amount they deposited is more than anybody can imagine. I actually don't like cloudbet negative balance system if the referal wins. ON long run, house always win so wait for the unlucky day of your referals.

thats some really bad statistics i guess you are extremely unlucky but if a whale player would start loosing money you would get it back in a short amount of time

I think most of them stopped gamble there or they are experts, OP closed his gambling review site because UK gambling commission alerted him to shut down his site or he would be prosecuted, and it means that he does't get referrals in recent time. And those referrals were joint months ago.

Hope OP to explain the real situation, are those referrals still betting?  ;D :D

Do they have a revenue share option that does not allow you to lose money?

How can it be possible for you to have a negative revenue with that kind of traded volume? crazy...

if I was you I would be extremly happy , you have many whales registered under your link and they are wgaering high , these days they are winning but a day will come when they will lose all of what they made , and then this negative amount will turn to extra positive amount  ;D
this is why I hate affiliating with casinos , you need to wish your referrals bad luck in order to win  ;D poker programs are the best

Really bizarre indeed  ???

What are you talking about? Who lost 200BTC?
He is advertising their casino via affiliate program and a total amount of deposits from all players combined is 200BTC and casino suffered a loss of 8BTC and he 30% of it. House are not winning in this case.

Wrong meaning. I will delete my post right now. I didn't know that an affiliate partner are a kind of owner of casino. In this case I am very happy that he is in loss. Maybe this will force him tol leave this "job" and find another which it will be more profitable and more "healthy".

you have many referral,i think you earning is nice from referral commision. btw where you got that referral

wait a minute...why he has negative commission?

is that even possible? we pay the winner? hmmmm...so if we have a lot of refferal but almost all of them has winning bet..we will never get the commission from their losing bets?

you are right. when ur ref win, you lose commission. when they lose, you get commission. it is like saying you are now a part of the casino but it only applies to your ref. So you have to pray the people you ref will lose. that is quite a weird way of thinking but that is how it works here.

Yeah, poker affiliate program is better, we can make money from referrals' rake, so no matter they win or lose, we uplines can still make money, but it is too difficult to get referrals, especially big whales, I don't find a better way than a casino review site to get referrals.

Nah..
Very bad affiliates program, we need to hope our referrals lose a lot to gain their referrals bonus.

I vote no for this affiliates.
It's better to find another win-win affiliates program like poker rake
or simply on Dice sites.

Wait you don't owe right?  They just have to lose back all of it for you to start profiting again I'm guessing.

He could use two accounts at the same time. If his original account profits again, then he just withdraw the earnings, otherwise he just gorget it forever

Stay strong, Tony. It will turn around for you!

Cloudbet

In terms of the people you recommended who are winning the luck was in their favour
As far as trading volumes are concerned at least it has volatility.
At the very least they can't take what you don't own from you and will need to absorb the negative BTC, although if it does end up on the plus side withdraw by the looks of it in case it goes back to negatives.

Stay strong?
My last paid commission was nearly a year ago now!
Do these punters have crystal balls?
 ???

Correct.

Yes, they are still betting.....and still winning.
Here's the September figures.

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/16/11/23/28/screen11.jpg

Please let me sign up under your ref next time I'm about to gamble. ;D

 :-\

How did you manage to get your balance in negatives ? I have been doing affiliate campaigns with amazon,ebay and pornhub but never it went that down ? Did your scams got busted ? I request you to choose better affiliate programs which actually pay !

This is already explained, read posts above.
This is revenue share program and winnings of referred players are deducted from the balance, they won more than they deposit and he ended up with  the negative balance.

Wow so many referrals, good job. I think you don't have to worry as one day you will be in the profit as you will make some profit form these referrals. So just relax and keep doing the good work, you will be lucky enough to book some huge profit very soon.

You do know that its there in the stats page for anyone to use right :)
That said I was suprised they kept winning more got to commend their luck.

Latest update:

Still getting stuffed.

http://i21.servimg.com/u/f21/16/11/23/28/lose10.jpg

Well, that sucks... It looks like most of your refs are losing, bit one keeps making a huge breakthrough every month xD

Congrats on all those refs, though. Must be nice having many refs...

;)

thats a lot of bitcoins, there are some lucky dudes that signed in

My sign ups have deposited the equivalant of $70,000 and pulled  around $71,000
You couldn't make it up.
 :(

oh wow that should feel bad i guess you might be really unlucky about this i have never had such lucky players that i invite to play somewhere

well, seems like a lot of people r recently very lucky. even the moneypot also take a super big hit. things looks so scary now.

Gambling is scary by nature, I'm like the OP, never get the chance to embrace "The Luck".

You are actually doing amazingly well. It is just that the affiliate program itself is a load of wank. I see how a revshare can be profitable but if it was per-wager, you would be earning much more i feel. Well at least i prefer that model.

You succeeded just by getting such good referrals, mos people who get referred wont play with even a % of what yours wager.

Thanks for the update, well at least you know they are playing
As long as there is variance you have a chance to get it back, or I guess you could always make a second one and reset your stats lol...

Depends on how scary that you described? Usually people tend to gambling to increase their money and for entertainment not for losing all their money. Losing more money will be scary enough to continue it thats why you need to know when to stop and to start again before losing more money

You told me to stay strong 6 months ago........well here we are with the latest update:
These are the figures for this year (just over 3 months):


http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/16/11/23/28/screen10.jpg

As can be seen, my sign ups are still giving Cloudbet a hammering, just as they have been for 17 solid months now.
To me, this is just impossible....Cloudbet would go under in no time at all if these returns to the punter on turnover were repeated by all their customers.
Is it just people that signed  up with me that are constant winners?

Now look at my overall figures as they now stand:

http://i86.servimg.com/u/f86/16/11/23/28/screen11.jpg

I'm supposed to believe my 57 sign ups have deposited and bet $101,962 in bitcoin in three years and had $103,780 returned but all Cloudbet's other punters are losing overall to keep them in profit and cover my losses in doing so?
As I said, I'm either the world's unluckiest affiliate by a million miles or something isn't right.
On that turnover in 3 years, surely I should have seen my affiliates losing around roughly 18 bitcoin which would have given me 6 bitcoin in commission.

i'm never trying cloudbet,and its really interesting affiliate program,but how can its have minus?
you have doing great,more than 50 person have registered under your affiliate,that good job,but yes you are not lucky ;D

well this now started to look fishy , I have never seen such a thing but also I have never tried Cloudbet
maybe you should research more about this , try to see if there are other people having the same thing
it may be normal though , but the stats are really weird

How can anybodies affiliate commission be in negative ? I dont understand . Can anybody explain me ? I actually thought of making this as business. Hmm should think a bit about it now .

I have had payments of over 3 bitcoin in the three years I've been getting the sign ups that I have withdrawn 'as it has become available' but because of the amount of winnings my sign ups have accumulated in the last 17 months my current balance stands at -5.6 bitcoin.
This means they have to lose that amount between them before I ever get any more payments. It has dropped to -3.5 or thereabouts now and then but always creeps back up into the minus  6-7 bitcoin area......I just find it amazing that so many people can be in so much profit between them. It defies all known gambling logic.
Remember if I hadn't drawn out the 3 bitcoin in bits and pieces as I have I would be looking at having earned nothing in 3 years of being a partner....in fact I'd be in the red.
Cloudbet don't ask for that money back if you are but as I say, I was earning ok up until 17 months ago but since then...........zilch.
 :-\
 

Holy shit . I never thought affiliate program could be like this . This is not the same in directbet . DIrectbet pays you for each and every bet , whether your referral wins or looses , it doesn't matter . I like that .

Dear Cloudbet..............I sill can't log onto this affilliate programme!
About 6 weeks now......why is my password no longer working?

What kind of affiliate platform is this that one has to wish those who signs under him lost for him to earn something rather than hoping they prosper. Anyways, the gambling site is very ingenious as they dont want to lose on both ends. Losing by paying out winnings and also paying the referrer but here we can both be happy http://csl.ink/2ec6

Ouch, you have lost 8 btc plus 4 btc as a commision? Thats gonna hurt. You to wait a long time to earn it back. Anyway, thats investment. You have spread your bankroll. Not on one site only so you can recover when you.lose at one site. Investment is risky, dont invest if you wanna risk.

2 Modes of affiliate programs.

1. is like this, profit-share program, downlines win, we are negative, they lose, we are positive.
2. like nitrogen has, calculated by total wagers, earn 0.X% of total wager. This is low margin bookie offers, like fiat bookie pinnacle.

Check our affiliate program || Invite new bettors and earn bitcoins!

Grab 20% of our commission // https://www.onehash.com/#affiliate_program

Yup, i can't imagine this risk. But well he tried something to make money, it failed. Yes, he has to wait more time to earn this loss. 8 BTC is not a small amount. Investing also risk and gambling also risk. so where should we can make money with Bitcoin. I am confusing.

Latest update:
My 57 sign ups have generated me NO COMMISSION in the last TWO YEARS  and my minus figure is now over ELEVEN BITCOIN!
How the hell can these people collectively  keep on  winning for so long??.........Goes against all the mathematics of betting.
It stinks.
 >:(

I don't understand how referral commission can go negative. Referral rewards are something sites are paying to you because you get them new users, not to take money from you.


You are blaming people because they are wining? Its strange world we are living in.

I understand that he only earns his commission when its referral users loose bitcoins. Because that he prefers that they loose. But i never saw referral system like this site where you can have negative referrals rewards.

With that many referrals you will eventually make money, they had good luck which in turn thanks to that particular affiliate program translated in bad luck for you.

I'm not blaming them I just can't believe that all Cloudbet's other punters are keeping them in profit by losing, I would guess,  around 10% on turnover, which is average.......... but my 57 are continually making money from  betting year after year!

they just have a bigger luck than you , i know that feeling to did not believe on all of your downline not provide you a single penny , it is feel like you get cheated by the affiliate provider isn' it?

however have you checked/confirm them all manually? i mean to ask affiliate provider in case there something wrong.

That really sucks for you, to spend all that time getting affiliates just to end up gaining nothing. (or a very small amount). Have you considered asking Cloudbet to switch you to their other affiliate option, where you get 0.2% (I think) of every sports bet? Less variance for a lesser reward, compared to your current option.

Looking at my current affiliate reports, in the last 16 days alone my sportsbook punters have laid out 27 btc and taken back 49 btc!!.........a profit on turnover of a fraction under 80%!
They must be time travellers with copies of the following day's results!.....This has been going on now for two solid years...That's when I last had a payment.
 :o

Then, if possible try to change the website where you send your referrals and see if they can pay you instead with a percentage of the amount wagered.

You are not the one the unluckiest affiliate partner in gambling site due now are too hard to find active referral especially in bitcoin gambling site some bettor always want be anonymous or they have assumtion the account has created under your referral link isn't lucky so they create the other one maybe more than one.

It has now reached comical status:

My commission stands at MINUS 43 BITCOIN.

https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/16/11/23/28/screen10.png

I was moaning 5 weeks ago when it was minus 4 bitcoin!

Dang! I thought my eyes are blurred, I thought it wass -4.3BTC but -43BTC. But it's really a very unlucky part to you for having -43BTC in your balance that's a very big amount. Maybe you just need to find some other active referrals or you can just start up again, if I am on your place, I don't know if I will completely leave that alone and walk away or find some encouragement to keep on going.

Wow you really have a lucky referral.  -43BTC I wonder how can you earn on that site with that big deficit.  I think it will be better to create  a new account and start referring new people if it is acceptable by the rule.  This way you can at least start with fresh referral bonus balance.

The situation becomes more worst and i thought it would eventually bounce back in the long run and could somehow break even but your referrals are lucky enough that could even give you an insane -43 btc profit.If i were you i would leave it alone and wont open for how many weeks or months maybe and find something that will interrupt your stress.

giving up is more likely to do mate instead of stressing yourself with your ref i guess they really knows what they are doing so thats why they keep on winning with that particular amount two things i will do by myself listen to many advise create new account and start from the scratch or go away and forget about everything and move on to your life.

All those you referred went so damn lucky. Gimme your referral link and I'll play there I might end up winning something big too.  ;D ;D ;D

Now minus 45 btc.
 :D
https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/16/11/23/28/4510.jpg

Ouch, you're luck is truly bad mate. maybe you should create a new account and then refer folks, who knows you might get lucky in new year!

What the? How it came that very fast, yesterday that was BTC-43 and I just went for awhile and missed this. Man what is your plan for that? Do you plan to stop that system with that site. Just leave that account together with this year of 2016 and start your new year with a new hope and just start referring again from your new account.

Saying move on is easy for some but to OP I guess its really hard to do that thing specially when you see your money is deflating you would really stress yourself out and you cant really avoid to check the balance of that account. Even though you create a new account your mind would stick into that account and you will always check that for sure.

My affiliate balance now at MINUS 51 bitcoin...........HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Must admit I'm beginning to find it suspect....I had regular payments up until November 2015 then suddenly, according to cloudbet, a whale signed up from my site and hardly ever loses.....I said to them "Can you email me his bets as he places them so I can copy them with another bitcoin bookie"?......They  said no.
 :P

I think with that referrals, you are not the unluckiest. you may be unlucky, but you are not the unluckiest. And I learned something useful here. Thank you 😊

Lol negative delete your account and tell to your affiliate create too and then share your links then. You're unlucky your commision is now in negative don't waste time to wait on that to be positive again. Lmao it will takes time if you wait so the best chance you can do is to create another account.

Latest update......plenty of large stake action by my sign ups in the last month........still  MINUS  51 bitcoin affiliate balance.
Cloudbet must think I'm mad.
 >:(

How did you manage to get such high rollers on your affiliate list? Just from signature campaign?

It doesn't matter now. They took down their affiliate program months ago and when you even try and bring it up they took all your referrals away.
They are looking to remove it totally in the future so don't both to promote them anymore.

There isn't just 1 affiliate gambling website in existence. I wanna know how I can get big rollers on other websites too!  :D

Ahahahahah xD

It made me laugh I admit.
But in the end you'll win, they WILL come back and they WILL lose what they've won

Unless you're really unlucky and they refuse to play again xD

You're very unfortunate.  i have referrals too and they don't bet at all lol.

well we could use the information(if he shares it) to refer high rollers elsewhere!

I don't think that cloudbet thinks that you are mad, but it sounds that it is very bad though  ;D And it was a long time before your last update. You are already stuck with that negative affiliate balance. Why not try to leave that account alone build up a new one, just like starting your affiliate career again with another casino?

Ok, this will give you all a laugh.

These are my all time sportsbook affiliate figures.
I have had 57 sign ups of which 20 have played.
Between them, in 3 years, they have turned over just under  EIGHT HUNDRED AND SIXTY THREE BITCOIN but have had ONE THOUSAND AND TWENTY FIVE BITCOIN RETURNED TO THEM!!..........Since when did punters fucking win non stop??....They are 18% up!.....Should be about 10% down meaning my commission rate that I have should be putting me around 29 bitcoin ahead.....Instead, as you can see, I'm almost 51 bitcoin down!
I have to laugh, otherwise I'd cry.

https://i58.servimg.com/u/f58/16/11/23/28/aff10.jpg