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This is an unmoderated community discussion of Boolberry trading and price speculation

Please avoid off topic issues such as extensive discussion or promotion of other coins.  Every post should either raise a question, idea or add something of value.  Non-substantive comments such as "Boolberry is horrible" or "Boolberry will take over the world" do not add value to the discussion.

Many factors influence trading volume and price:
Where will Boolberry be used? How large is its potential market? Have questions about existing features? Have ideas for new features or the direction of Boolberry? What to know what makes Boolberry unique? How will mining, marketing and future development impact Boolberry?

Boolberry links of interest:
Announcement:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267
Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/
Exchanges:
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bbr
https://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-BBR
https://bter.com/trade/BBR_BTC
Merchants/Games:
https://cointopay.com/
http://popboolr.com/originaltweets
GitHub:
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/tree/db
Downloads:
http://boolberry.com/downloads.html

bbr, just like xmr, is also cryptonote. Thus, I wonder, what are technical differences between bbr and xmr?

You are right that they have a lot in common. Here are a few of the biggest technical differences:
1. Working, Official GUI
http://boolberry.com/downloads.html
Monero currently has several unofficial GUI's and a web wallet

2. Minimum mixin# solution (already implemented):
http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf
Monero has its own plans for how to address this issue:
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf
http://i59.tinypic.com/2z5222t.jpg

3. Blockchain bloat solution (already implemented):
http://boolberry.org/files/Boolberry_Reduces_Blockchain_Bloat.pdf
http://i59.tinypic.com/rqz11u.png

4. Emission Schedule:
Slower than Monero
http://boolberry.com/files/emission.png

5. Similar to Monero, Boolberry is currently testing new db code:
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/Boolberry/tree/db
feedback from smooth and crypto zoidberg:

I've been gone for a long time - is Boolberry still part of Supernet?

Crypto Zoidberg did the work a long time ago on the Boolberry end. We are waiting for SuperNet to integrate it:


Maybe we should speculate on the importance of SuperNet to Boolberry. How much do you think it matters?

LOL at how many times I've been quoted on the first page (not counting language in the OP). Anyway, it seems the information I posted has been of value.

Best of luck with the new thread. I will watch and answer questions when I have something to add (might even ask a few).

I think it is fair to say that you are quoted a lot because people respect you as a developer of both Monero and Aeon.

I speculate that there are some more chess players out there who could help us in this game:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1190988.0

that what i was thinking
boolberry shouldn't hide behind SuperNet, or be depend on SuperNet
it is a good high tech currency on it's own.
I don't know if you mentioned it but also the mining algo. is very GPU/CPU friendly... i don't know if its even possible to create ASIC miner for wild keccak. maybe possible but too expensive
there is also the cool feature of name to wallet address (something like IOC try), but with boolberry it's part of the blockchain data so its cooler and decentralized

You are right that Boolberry has great tech on its own now. If SuperNet brings more visibility that is just a bonus. Is this the Boolberry address feature you mean?

Wallet addresses aliasing: Any address can be linked to a symbolic name and be used globally. By being built into the blockchain, these aliases are globally unique (original), but do not require a central naming authority to maintain.

I speculate that Supernet will have nothing to do with BBR's success or failure as a cryptocurrency.  While I was an early proponent of Supernet I have since become disillusioned with the project.  If it eventually succeeds and does what it promised many many months ago then great.  Currently I am not following nor do I care to follow the Supernet saga that is apparently still ongoing.  BBR did receive an initial pump when it was announced that it would be included in the Supernet platform but that has since evaporated just as the initial value of Supernet has declined significantly from it's initial pricing.

BBR suffers from the same problem that all cryptonote coins suffer from.  It's not bitcoin compatible and not easily incorporated into any of the current cryptocurrency payment processing schemes.  Until a legitimate payment processor devotes the time and resources necessary to accept cryptonote coins, nothing is going to change as far as adoption is concerned. 

Shapeshift has incorporated Monero and is building new tools to better support merchants.  It should not be that hard for them to incorporate Boolberry also if they can be convinced that sufficient demand exists.

So in your guys opinion, do you think that Boolberry will be able to run along side with Monero in the long run; or is this a cut throat match for a "best cryptonote" title that will enable said coin to be the "go to" coin for private transactions?  I can't see a scenario where two coins with essentially the same design that fills a very specific niche to both be successful in the long run of things.

In the long run the most successful anonymous coin will probably obtain the majority of the anonymous transaction market.  Right now Monero has a clear lead because of economies of scale.  Even if Monero remains the leader the technical differences of Boolberry may allow it to become very successful. LTC is a big success despite the dominance of BTC.

Today merchant acceptance is the biggest hurdle for Boolberry to solve. Clearly a niche exists for Boolberry today since some users prefer an official GUI and do not have enough RAM to run Monero if they are not willing to compile the current source code themselves. Some of technical advantages of BBR may be temporary (Monero will eventually have an official GUI and a minimum mixin). Other differences may persist (blockchain pruning has advantages and potential risks). Continued development is essential for all CryptoNote coins to suit the needs of the market.

Comparing the market caps of Monero and Boolberry along with the tech makes me feel like Boolberry has massive upside. Risk of complete loss absolutely exists if economies of scale are never built. Despite its attractive mining rewards due to a slower emission schedule, the BBR hash rate remains extremely low compared to XMR.

By definition anyone who owns some Boolberry probably thinks it has some chance to succeed. Since most people who own Boolberry also own some Monero (I am guessing) they either think that there is room for more that one CryptoNote coin or they are hedging their bets.

It might be useful to make a graph comparing BBR emission to other CryptoNote coins instead of the graph showing how the emission speed compared to bitcoin.

Hopefully this will help:
Both Boolberry and Monero have a max supply of about 18.4 million (18446744.073709551615)
Boolberry block times are 120 seconds vs 60 seconds for Monero
The bolded blue below will show that Boolberry emission is twice as slow as Monero.
Monero emission is slower that Duck/Dark/DigitalNote. I can provide additional graphs to compare with other CryptoNote coins if requested.

Boolberry:
base_reward=(EMISSION_SUPPLY - already_generated_coins) >> EMISSION_CURVE_CHARACTER;
if(block_cumulative_size <= median)
  reward = base_reward;
else
  reward = (base_reward*(block_cumulative_size * (2 * median - block_cumulative_size)))/(median2)
http://boolberry.com/files/emission.png
Reward Emissions for 10 years:

    Day       Block Reward       Generated Coins
    0         17.416264000000    0%  0.000000000000
    183       15.359717000000    11% 2179953.768778000000
    366       13.546011000000    22% 4102274.357256000000
    549       11.946471000000    31% 5797411.627041000000
    732       10.535808000000    39% 7292216.288657000000
    915       9.291719000000     46% 8610365.351676000000
    1098      8.194534000000     52% 9772737.277389000000
    1281      7.226907000000     58% 10797742.784839000000
    1464      6.373539000000     63% 11701616.548800000000
    1647      5.620939000000     67% 12498674.414764000000
    1830      4.957208000000     71% 13201540.208042000000
    2013      4.371851000000     74% 13821345.733154000000
    2196      3.855614000000     77% 14367907.128588000000
    2379      3.400335000000     80% 14849880.376022000000
    2562      2.998817000000     82% 15274898.428772000000
    2745      2.644711000000     84% 15649692.128002000000
    2928      2.332418000000    86% 15980196.828462000000
    3111      2.057001000000     88% 16271646.419271000000
    3294      1.814107000000     89% 16528656.232190000000
    3477      1.599893000000     90% 16755296.148816000000



Monero:
Block reward = (M - A) * 2-20 * 10-12, where A = current circulation. Roughly 86% mined in 4 years
http://i57.tinypic.com/efot49.png

Some new readers of this thread may be interested in seeing what the official GUI looks like. Here are a few screenshots:

http://i60.tinypic.com/2mnrupx.png

http://i62.tinypic.com/25srhc2.png

http://i60.tinypic.com/10oeatw.png

If a cryptonote coin is using the original emissions structure, then the key variable here is EMISSION_CURVE_CHARACTER which (along with the block time) determines the rate of emission. Each integer increment represents a factor of two in emissions speed. In some of the code bases it is called EMISSION_SPEED_FACTOR.

So for example, Bytecoin uses 18 and Boolberry uses 20, making Boolberry 4x slower than Bytecoin. After adjusting for the block time, Monero is the equivalent of 19, putting it right in the middle of the two. Quazarcoin uses 21, so twice as slow as Boolberry. If I recall correctly Bitcoin (while using a different structure) is somewhere between 20 and 21.

Duck/dark/digitalnote uses a different structure altogether but is much, much faster than the others.

That explanation really makes things easier to understand. Gracias

in my opinion, Boolberry will show it's strength as soon as SuperNET will be released. all the core currencies will see a price jump including BBR.

Three questions

1. When do you think SuperNET will be released?

2. What role would you like to see Boolberry perform within SuperNET?

3. Do you think the SuperNET team has the same vision as you for #2?

I believe that CryptoNote is best in class in terms of financial privacy available today. Boolberry is arguably one of the most advanced CryptoNote coins. SuperNET would be wise to integrate BBR as quickly as possible, building off the BBR side integration work cryptozoidberg has already written:

https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/14eba55b4a496f2f04f5ad33891fe9f172b7d3db
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/8fe1aa050c49dbabd3e09d82473b0bc1b113fdc7
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/28995ed64f844891c11a14e268550797e4cd5e08
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/efa3e9fa03ad6427fee335b4f466ab45ef079c7f
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/d99dc8018f955989a76e43af0b62424a4e84767b
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/d188d7a053e6124d0006eebeddafcff332b79cb1

Boolberry development will continue and BBR can be highly successful regardless of the role it is ultimately chosen to take within SuperNET

The thread below is now locked so nobody else can respond there.  Is the betax comparison a fair one? If it accurate is there still time for BBR to regain market share by emphasizing its advanced features?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=697355.msg12040487#msg12040487
"BBR was the betamax of the cryptonote world. A more sensible emission schedule, a clean and usable native GUI, aliases baked in, privacy improvements, much faster syncing (granted, partially down to lower activity- but also to do with variations in the code like alternative PoW mechanism) , smaller blockchain in general, pruneable chain, open source miners, smaller miner gap for privileged parties, reward voting mechanism baked in to incentivize dev.. the list went on.

It's largest issue was not managing to get a community onboard early- XMR managed to get a bunch of reputable BTT members supporting the coin. and not putting in the effort to lobby exchanges to support the coin to provide velocity. The market cap and extremely low liquidity death spiraled it into irrelevancy, and there is no use to attempt recovering a coin where such a high percentage could easily be owned by a single entity at this time.. Better to migrate to a single coin, like Monero or start fresh."

Why is there high potential for one entity to own a large amount of this coin?  Low liquidity does not lend itself to mass accumulation.

More liquidity would be a good thing. Right now we should support our existing exchanges and try to sign up merchants.

I doubt one entity owns a very large percentage of the coins, but with CryptoNote richlists are impossible so we will never know for sure. Emissions is relatively slow so most coins have yet to be mined.  Low liquidity makes it almost impossible for one entity to buy a large percentage of the coins without drastically driving up the price.

Volume may pick up again once the db code in github is done being tested.

It would be great for someone to volunteer to become a market maker on the different exchanges. They could narrow the bid/ask spread and increase liquidity on both the buy and sell sides.

Increased volume would have the potential to compensate for narrower margins between the bid and ask.

Current Boolberry exchanges in alphabetical order:

https://bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-BBR
https://bter.com/trade/BBR_BTC
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bbr

Unfortunately finding someone like that will not be easy. Market makers prefer coins with higher volume.  We need to grow the size the community more before trading volume and liquidity will increase substantially.

What do you all think about Augur? I heard that despite running on the Ethereum platform, it will be currency agnostic. I would love to see Boolberry accepted.

Imagine making anonymous (or at least pseudo-anonymous) predictions with an anonymous currency.

The concept is great but implementation will be very difficult.  There are questions about scaling that are not yet clear to me.

http://chainradar.com/bcn/blocks
http://chainradar.com/bbr/blocks
http://chainradar.com/xmr/blocks

can anybody comment on those three pages and what it indicates?

I have always been focused on usage, not speculative prices. With cryptonotes, the blockchain size is a key issue and while BBR has the pruning, if it has to be RAM resident that defeats the purpose to a large degree. I am very glad to see a DB version in testing as until that is out, the footprint is too big.

In the last year I have coded from scratch ramchains, MGW, InstantDEX, SuperNET agents, atomic wallet swaps, jumblr coinshuffle, pangea decentralized poker and PAX pegged asset exchange, currently ~100,000 lines of C code. This is just the code I personally wrote, not counting all the non-coding issues of managing a large decentralized community, nor of the contributions of dozens of other devs. I dont believe many people understand the full scale and scope of what I am working on, let alone of the entire SuperNET.

Due to my workload, I am not posting much on BTT, nor can I be proactively working on BBR integration into SuperNET at this point. That being said, I think what can be done is for a SuperNET agent to be created that allows for using BBR by all the SuperNET nodes. A SuperNET agent allows a set of node(s) to publish a service to all the other nodes in the network, this is how MGW is implemented. I think combining coinshuffle with a cryptonote would be quite a powerful combination.

A BBR agent would facilitate its usage, but really what is needed is more active involvement by BBR dev team in the SuperNET slack. If you think of SuperNET as a shopping mall, then the BBR store is there, but without BBR peoples, it will be an empty store.

James

James,

Thank you for your response. What is your specific question about the chainradar data? For each block it lists the timestamp, block size, number of transactions and hash. Difficulty and emissions totals are there too. What are you wondering?

We are excited about the DB version also! I am glad to hear that it will also help with SuperNET.

I can pass along your comments about wishing more people were in SuperNET slack. We know you have been very busy over the last year. Can I ask why you decided it best to combine coinshuffle with CryptoNote instead of using CryptoNote alone?

I will cross post this to our announcement thread as well for more visibility.

look at the transaction volumes, even for BCN which is almost 10x the volumes of XMR and BBR has more transactions than XMR.
Now cryptonote tech is all fine, but let us imagine you are using a payphone in the australian outback and you are the only one that used a payphone that hour. just exactly how much privacy can cryptonote, or anything provide, when the transactions are ~10 per hour?

subtract out the mining tx and we have hardly any transactions. So if anybody seriously believes that even all the cryptonotes combined can provide privacy for 100 BTC of value over a small period of time, they are deluded. At current volumes, maybe over a month it will take, maybe more, havent done the calcs.

The jumblr coinshuffle i did works with BTC, LTC, BTCD, basically any bitcoin compatible, so it taps into the vast transaction pool. Now imagine being able to combine the privacy of cryptonote, with a realtime coinshuffle (no blockchain record of the shuffle), with the large transactions of BTC. In my opinion, only such a combined approach will provide any real privacy.

However, even that is not enough!

If there is a background level of 10 tx per hour, then it is a trivial matter to correlate any large spike. Depending on the resources the attacker has, even the IP address could be correlated if protective measures are not taken. If everything is on the blockchain,then down the road when QC computing is available, then the entire history becomes an open book. That is why offchain shuffling is a critical part of the solution.

Another critical part is simply having a lot of activity, say something like a blockchain enforced decentralized poker.

BTCD will have a unique method of delinking transactions where the initial recipient is very nearly 100% protected, even at the IP level. However, the initial sender is still linkable to the second recipient:

Alice -> Bob -> Charlie looks as Alice -> Charlie, with Bob nowhere visible on the blockchain, ever.

the coinshuffle makes the "->" a bit fuzzier, but this is an area where the more volumes, the better for all, especially if the "->" is using cryptonote as input and/or output. but once we do cross-currency shuffles/transfers, then it exposes the exchange between the two as a possible attack vector.

As you can see, to solve privacy for real not just on paper, it is a very difficult and large task. Without volumes, there is no privacy, that is why I am frontloading things that will create the volumes. What point to have perfect privacy on paper that in reality is trivial to brute force correlate due to small overall volumes?

James

Thank you for all the thought you put into this. I think I understand your concerns.  I have some ideas about the transaction data as it relates to privacy but will not make any comments on that quite yet. I think there are some people at Monero Research Labs who have thought about this and have some suggestions. Thanks again for your time.  Hopefully some BBR people will get more active in slack soon.

Community BBR Welcome to slack Supernet channel #BBR

Join Us: http://slackinvite.supernet.org/  ;)

Thank you. I will post this in our announcement thread and on Twitter/Reddit

Was SuperNET the reason for the massive BBR price increase last year? Or was there some other reason at the time? Has uncertainty about SuperNET contributed to the reason why BBR prices have declined recently?

There are many factors that can contribute to increasing or decreasing prices.

IMHO the most important thing happening with boolberry right now is the DB testing which you can see (and test) for yourself here:
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/tree/db

The last commit was authored 6 days ago:
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/7a1f1016570937c5a8197c6d987c95f05bd0582c

I had not noticed the recent commit. Nice!

It indicates that BCN probably has a traffic generator running to create the appearance of activity. This is pretty clear to me since there is almost no period of time when the BCN network is idle. Does that seem plausible given expected fluctuations in natural usage?

None of them have a high volume of transactions though, which was really your stronger point.

BTW, XMR has 2x the block frequency of the other two.

I don't necessarily agree here. A big advantage of cryptonote is the lack of requirement for simultaneity.

There are certainly side channels that are possible if an observer knows something about your activity (for example that you are making a large purchase). But absent those side channels, private transactions can still occur even at a low frequency. I could send you 100 BTC worth of coins right now on XMR (BBR might be harder given the low total value) and while someone would know that a large transaction is occurring, they wouldn't know it was me sending it to you (as opposed me moving coins between cold storage, an exchange moving coins, etc.), nor would blockchain analysis ever be likely to determine this (unless, as I said earlier, they already knew that I was sending you coins).

All of these systems are susceptible to sybil attacks, which makes real activity somewhat valuable (in making sybil attacks more expensive). In the case of cryptonote the sybil attacker has to control a large portion of the entire output set, which makes the likely-fake activity on the BCN network even more suspicious. It is hard to argue that BBR is sybil attacked when hardly anyone is creating outputs!

Nobody disagrees with the premise and value of growing usage of a coin network, but coinjoin/coinshuffle-style systems make it more necessary to have a high level of real activity at nearly every moment in time, while cryptonote does not.

Can someone explain the meaning and importance of the most recent update? How much DB testing is left to be done?

Looks like foundational work to move more of the data into the database. As c-z noted earlier, he intends to do it incrementally but getting it all in there will take a little while

I am trying to understand the mixin issue talked about here

http://boolberry.com/files/Boolberry_Solves_CryptoNote_Flaws.pdf
https://lab.getmonero.org/pubs/MRL-0004.pdf

If you receive coins with 0 mixins (such as from an exchange) what is the best way to ensure future transactions will not become linkable? Will sending coins to yourself (at the same address) with a mixin of 3 solve the issue of future transacations being linked back to you and the exchange from where you received the coins with mixin = 0?

The issue is not how you receive the coins, and in any case if it were the BBR feature wouldn't fix it. (And yes you can send coins back to yourself, even multiple times, to perform mixing without a counterparty.) The issue is that when you choose outputs to mix with, if those outputs end up getting spent with 0 mix, then your mix is unwound. Example: You are spending A, you mix with B and C, so A|B|C -> D. Now if B is spent with mix 0 to E, and C is spent with mix 0 to F, it is revealed that your original transaction was A|B|C -> D, or just A -> D

BBR proposes to fix this by tagging outputs that can't be spent with a low mix. Then you can safely use those outputs to as your mixing partners with A, and the above situation can't occur. There is a bit of a bootstrapping problem in how you get people to create these tagged outputs in the first place, and a few other issues. While better than nothing, I don't think as currently conceived it is a great approach overall, and I'm not saying this to trash BBR, it just my honest opinion.

Are you saying the BBR solution will work if everyone used the tagged outputs option to force mixins? However right now some people (such as exchanges) do not use this flag option so the mixin = 0 problems still exist?

Basically the solutions needs to be mandatory instead (creating the flagged outputs) instead of optional if we expect everyone to comply.

That's one of the problems. Then there are problems like the nuisance you can create by sending someone a payment with minimum=100. Even assuming they can find 100 outputs to mix with, their transaction will be huge.

You bring up another interesting point! Do you think there should be a maximum mixin for CryptoNote coins to avoid "huge" transactions? If so how big should it be? Is there any practical use for having a mixin greater than 10?

Is this default behavior Monero specific or does it also apply to the Boolberry simplewallet and GUI?

It was added to Monero, but no reason why other cryptonotes can't adopt it. I don't know what the Boolberry GUI does, but I would assume a GUI should offer users good defaults.

The GUI does not set a mixin by default but that may be something to think about for the next version. The GUI currently provides these send payment options (all can be chosen by user):
address
amount
payment id
mixin
fee
unlock time (Use "1d" or "1h" or n, where n is the number of blocks within which the transaction must be blocked.)

Is there a specific purpose for the unlock time function? Could smart contracts or escrow arrangements make use of this?

I think there are multiple uses for this. Monero also has an unlock_time feature:
tx.unlock_time = height + CRYPTONOTE_MINED_MONEY_UNLOCK_WINDOW;
https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=unlock_time

The unlock_time stuff works the same in all cryptonotes afaik, except maybe XDN, which has implemented their "savings accounts on the blockchain" idea (when you lock you get interest).

The MINED_MONEY_UNLOCK is a bit different. That locks newly-mined coins so chains of transactions aren't broken if those coins cease to exist after a chain reorg. Before using those coins the chain has to settle/mature a bit.

I don't really know of the purpose for unlock_time feature though.

Maybe there is not a single purpose. We can use our imaginations to think of ways delaying delivery of currency could be helpful.

Maybe you have a kid you want to send Monero or Boolberry to when he or she turns 25 years old. You could set the unlock_time to set that up years in advance.

Annuities or mortgage paments on the blockchain could work exactly this way. Delivery for many XMR or BBR payments could be set far in advance.

I speculate that more people will start to pay attention to Boolberry once they realize the importance of this DB work. It is an important foundation that will make future development in a number of areas easier.

Let's speculate about what will be next for Boolberry after the db work is done! From what I read in this thread it sounds like taking the DB out of RAM will make SuperNet integration easier. It should also help anyone with a very old computer and little RAM.

What would everyone like to see from Boolberry next? Maybe tools to make merchant integration easier? How about the ability to sign transactions offline or private blockchain messaging from the wallet?

How's the volume of BBR?

Right now volume is pretty low. That is a problem because it makes it hard to buy or sell a large position quickly without significantly moving the price.  All that can really be done at the moment is to buy or sell small amounts at a time or place large buy or sell walls and be willing to wait a long time before they get filled.  I hope volume increases but I know its a problem faced by many coins.

Volume will probably rise when the new database work is done.

It would be nice if Boolberry could do something like this: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required

That way more developers can pitch projects and get paid for their work if the community approves.

Besides raising money for developers it would also help Boolberry users to help shape the direction of future development and feel more involved.

I am trying to register at http://boolberry.com/forum but just get the message below with no response. Who is the admin for the forum?

Thank you for registering. The admin must approve your registration before you may begin to use your account, you will receive an email shortly advising you of the admins decision.

Sending a message to crypto_zoidberg to ask.

Getting that forum active would be nice.

One advantage of a separate forum like that is focus. Instead of long threads here with random speculation and discussions there could be threads for

database development
marketing
technical support
mining questions
developer funding requests
etc.

I mean yeah, that is a good idea for you guys here... I don't know if many people will be there, but it would be kind of like the getmonero.org forum, which is basically like this forum, but more focused.

It is okay if not many people show up on day one. We can attract followers gradually. I like getmonero.org as a model to strive for.

New Boolberry game from damashap!!

http://popboolr.com/originaltweets
https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/comments/3oha2n/new_popboolr_game_from_damashup_testing_for/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12669262#msg12669262

Check it out. There is tons of potential here. Thanks damashup!

More commits in GitHub today:

https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/commit/a84823073ee9ca245c67c7ec1446aa3a6bc3231e

What is the significance of that commit?

Looks like "some intermediate changes" about how (parts of) the blockchain is stored.

Please help test this new Boolberry Twitter game so any possible bugs can be found prior to official release. This is a great development for Boolberry.

http://popboolr.com/originaltweets

Lets speculate on ways it can be used to advertise Boolberry!

I can't wait for this to get out of beta. Great way for people on Twitter to be introduced to privacy and cryptography.

Interesting question from Monero thread:


Lets answer the same question for Boolberry!

If BBR is around in 2020 then it must have drastically increased usage (otherwise why would it still be around?) and its leadership position within the CryptoNote segment clearly established. Boolberry arguably already has the most features of current CryptoNote coins, but marketing has been lacking. Marketing and new BBR related services like the Boolberry Twitter game that was just announced must be ramped up soon in order to pass Monero as the leading CryptoNote coin.

.5 btc seems like a reasonable target for the leading CryptoNote coin. This could be Boolberry

If Boolberry fails to increase adoption I predict it will be abandoned by 2020 an the price will approach 0.

I would be happy with .005 BTC.

.01BTC and in 2nd place among anon coins:

1st         Monero
2nd        Boolbery
3rd         AEON
4th         ZeroCash
5th         DSH
781st      SDC
782nd     DASH
1873th    XDN
2464th    BCN

Update from damashup on new Boolberry game. Minor updates gug fixes plus new functionality in the pipeline!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12695412#msg12695412

Very interesting developments regarding the possibility of combining CryptoNote ring signatures with Confidential Transactions. It is worth keeping an eye on this as something BBR might want to pursue.

I never noticed this before today.

Is there still any work on BBR and is zoidberg still the dev?

Just asking. Bagholding some coins

Yes and Yes!

Just read this thread. Damashup just released the alpha version of a new Boolberry game.

CryptoZoidberg has never posted a lot on bitcointalk but has never stopped working. Right now the focus is on the DB which will improve performance, be a foundation for future development and according to jl777 will make SuperNet integration easier.

Clintar has been helping CryptoZoidberg with the DB.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12393633#msg12393633
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/tree/db (last commit was 4 days ago)

Damashup has found some alpha testers already but welcomes more
http://popboolr.com/originaltweets
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577267.msg12669262#msg12669262

Please get involved!

It would be nice to hear more about SuperNET in this thread. I don't have the knowledge to add much value in slack. Who from Boolberry is most active in slack talking with the SuperNET people? Or are we waiting for the DB work to be complete first?

I am not sure if "waiting" is the right word, but there is definitely a lot of focus on the DB right now. Once that is done more focus can be given to other things. Join SuperNET slack and ask questions if you are curious. You don't need to be an expert to be involved. Simply having more people from Boolberry active may help remind their developers how important CryptoNote and Boolberry is.
http://slackinvite.supernet.org/  

There has never been a time when work was not being done on BBR.  All one has to do is look at the github and you'll see that crypto zoidberg has been actively working on and updating this coin since it's inception.

I just checked and the last updates to github were four days ago.  So yes work is still being done.

Hang on to those coins.

Is there a list somewhere of top Boolberry bagholder values?
What is considered a sizable Bagholding for Boolberry?

You cannot have rich lists with CryptoNote since balances are anonymous.

The block explore can confirm total supply and the post below compares Boolberry emission to Monero:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1198276.msg12579008#msg12579008

Don't buy more than you can afford. You can also mine instead of buy to support the network. Don't worry about how many coins others have because you will never know the answer. Compared to the fast emission of XDN and 80% premine of BCN, Boolberry is set up in an extremely fair manner. Most coins have yet to be mined.

As long as development continues I will never sell Boolberry!

Cross post from bbr announcement thread. Please keep testing the new game and thinking about how it can be used to promote Boolberry!

The pop em rules sound great. They will increase the time players spend playing the game and sound like fun!

It was disappointing to see the Zero Knowledge Transactions thread get locked. It contained some helpful discussion regardless of your stance in the polling question.  At least the topic is still on /r/monero

I think he opened the thread again.

Correction! He opened it but then locked it again. Maybe the discussion will go here now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1174653.0

Anyway TPTB seems to imply than Shen from Monero has a working solution! Good news for CryptoNote believers regardless of what TPTB decides to do.

Does anyone have the usage numbers from beta testing to share?

Any specific cause for the large percentage gain of Boolberry on Poloniex over the last 24 hours?
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bbr

BBR is up over 50%!

Is it because of comments from TPTB_need_war, the new popboolr game or something else?

Honestly, it probably has something to do with the fact that there are some "whale" pump and dumpers targeting boolberry right now... I wouldn't be too shocked when later tomorrow or the next day there will be a huge dump that follows suit.

The trading volume has not been high enough recently for that to be very likely. Instead of worrying about the price the community should be focused on building supporting services for boolberry. Dashmashup is doing exactly that and could use more testers for his game.

As the recent GitHub work proves, crypto_zoidberg and clintar2 are busy doing important db work https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/Boolberry/tree/db

How much longer is this expected to take?

I still have BBR but...

https://i.imgur.com/I8Sb9hx.png

Judging by the number of commits, things were a lot busier last year. However the recent database work is very important. Based on the size of the Poloniex buy walls recently I think the market agrees.

Zoidberg was also busy with Louisd’or for part of the time in your graphic. He has said that some of the ideas he developed there could be relevant to Boolberry too. Once the db work is done it will be easier to make future improvements.

It is our move in the chess challenge against Team Monero. Come participate and help decide our next move! 

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1190988.0

It is also a good thread to ask technical questions about CryptoNote.

Go Boolberry!

As most are aware, CZ has been very active over the last year working on the Lui project. Some of the benefits of that project will be inherited by BBR... so watch this space.

We love CZ but the work of others including yourself is also appreciated. Thanks damashup!

Someone wants to buy some Boolberry but is having a hard time. 150,000 BBR buy wall and hardly any sellers:

http://i59.tinypic.com/332t5y8.jpg

I think confidence has finally started to pick up. I would not be shocked if we have found a bottom. Our market cap is insanely low based on what Boolberry has already done. Who else is optimistic about the future prospects of Boolberry?

That order book looks extremely bullish.

I speculate that if everyone spent more time testing the new game below or the db code in github instead of worrying about the price Boolberry would be better off.  Once the db is ready and we create more uses for Boolberry, attracting users and merchants should be easier!

Lets speculate about the week ahead. Based on increasing volume, buy walls and development efforts I think this will be a very good week.

I don't expect any big news this week. Many people are waiting on the new database release or hearing more about test results.

Monero is working on Confidential Transactions and it appears to be coming faster than I thought. Can Boolberry do the same thing?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.msg12793761#msg12793761

There is enough commonality in that portion of the code (virtually identical) that if it were implemented in one it could easily be added to the other coin too if the developer and/or community wants it.

I think every CryptoNote coin wants this!

Multiple people are working on Boolberry related projects right now. Crypto Zoidberg remains extremely important but Boolberry is a community effort with a growing list of supporters.  If you want to maximize the chances for Boolberry to be successful I encourage you to get actively involved.

Have an issue or feature request for Boolberry? Speak up!

You can also submit issues and pull requests in GutHub:
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/issues
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/pulls

I like the current GUI just fine. It is simple to use and works fine for me.  However when I look at the links above I found some pull requests for a new GUI from back in January. Why were these closed?

https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed

My guess is that it was decided that conversion to the new database format should be completed first. Is that correct?

https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/pull/40
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/pull/39
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg/boolberry/pull/38

Can one of these people respond?
https://github.com/jahrsg
https://github.com/gjhiggins
https://github.com/cryptozoidberg

I am not one of the people referenced above for those pull requests but I think your guess is correct.  My guess is that additional GUI updates will happen after the database work by cryptozoidberg and clintar is done.

Check out Poloniex and Bittrex today!

The market is finally starting to notice one of the most undervalued and fungible coins that exists!

Currently up about 50% with solid volume on Poloniex

I was wondering the same thing. Those GUI discussion happened long ago but seemed to be forgotten about earlier this year.  If you are right then it sounds similar to the Monero situation. They don't want to spend time making a new GUI until their db release is complete either.

The current lacks merchant tools (APIs, invoicing, etc). Make the new wallets useful as possible to those who will accept Boolberry payments.

I would rather see some marketing efforts to encourage businesses to accept Boolberry than this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/comments/3qpwgq/free_boolberry_financial_privacy_should_be/

Both users and merchants are needed. It is hard to interest one group with the other.

Popboolr is something that should really help once it gets out of beta.

I found this graphic in another thread and thought it looked cool:

http://www.oxpal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/MS1_design03_big.jpg

This was an old graphic. It seems like SuperNET integration has been waiting on the Boolberry database conversion work being complete. Hopefully we are getting close to completion now.

Good suggestion. What have you done to encourage businesses to accept Boolberry? It seems like many people come up with ideas but hope others will implement them. Nobody is being paid to market Boolberry. It is up to the community to do so.

Helpful post regarding the BBR alias feature from the announcement thread:

This seems like a nice feature for merchants who would like to have easy to remember addresses for accepting payments.

I actually have several names in my mind I might try to register. The beautiful thing about a system like this is that nobody has an advantage over anyone else. Even with a very small hashrate anyone can eventually solo mine a block and choose an alias.

First come first served!

I just realized this thread was moved to announcements from the altcoin section?

Why? Who requested the change?

Its purpose is very similar to these threads which remain in the correct section:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1197508.0

Boolberry should be treated the same as other CryptoNote coins!

If a moderator sees this, please move our thread back here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0

Thank you

So if you as the thread starter did not request the move only mod could do it?

Really mod, what would a speculation thread do on the announcement board, announce trading and price speculation?

I wish the moderator in question would say what their reasoning was. This makes no sense to me.

Any updates from the bitcointalk moderators?

No answers? I thought the thread was in the right place before it was moved.

Is anyone following the SuperNET drama lately? I guess there is some disagreement between NXT and the direction Jl777 wants to take SuperNET. There is a lot of uncertainty right now.

It was.  It doesn't make sense to have moved it here in the announcement section.  But it's not my forum so it doesn't have to make sense to me for them to move it.




No, sounds like a waste of time.

It looks like the moderators have moved the thread back to the correct section. Thank you!

What caused the BBR spike today? With the lower hash rate and block explorer issues recently, the opposite might have been more expected. How do you explain this?

https://i.imgur.com/MNJtYPp.png

Boolberry innovations have been under appreciated for a long time but the timing of this does seem strange. I cannot explain the sudden spike in volume.

If it was caused by a newcomer, hopefully they will say hello and tell us what attracted them to Boolberry. As a community we should speak more about Boolberry strengths and weaknesses and how we can help build a strong future for the currency.

As I just posted in the announcement thread both of the block explorers below are working again.

https://minergate.com/blockchain/bbr/blocks
http://chainradar.com/bbr/blocks

I speculate that the Boolberry price rebound may be related to some people feeling relief about the block explorer issue being resolved but that is just a guess.

BBR is now up over 100% in the last 24 hours on Bittrex.....

Lets speculate about who will win the current chess game. So far I prefer the Monero position! Boolberry won the first game after a long fight.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1190988.msg13758040#msg13758040

Any speculation about when popboolr.com will leave beta and go live?

Look at Poloniex trading today!

https://i.imgur.com/dMSck7e.png

wtf?

It has come way back down since the spike over 30k satoshi. Those who had a chance to take some profits near the top and buy back at current levels were fortunate. Most of the volume happened very quickly.

haha lol that one guy really needed some BBR there....
looks like its due for a pump. you just dont buy up the whole ordebook like that. coin was undervalued for very long time now.

Care to revise your statement? I think volume has about doubled since you said that...

The volume is 150 bitcoin in Polonix, compared to ~50 of Monero. The price action is amazing. Any news?

OK, I'll revise.

WTF?!!!

Was the Boolberry GUI released and now it's mooon?

market frozen, bids back to 3.5 btc  :D

It is sad to see the BBR price fall back so far although it was unrealistic such a dramatic spike could be sustained. Hopefully some new people found out about Boolberry in the last few days and start to get involved.

crypto_zoidberg appears to be back and active again which is much more important in the long run than short term price swings.

A very functional official GUI for BBR has been out for quite some time.

As for the spike in volume I'm as curious as the rest.

IMO this was nothing to do with the technicals of the coin.

I think it was an abortive attempt to pump the coin.

I think the initial spike was someone buying up supply so as to manipulate the price higher and profit.

I say abortive because I think that as soon as the boolberry network had some issues they pulled out and dumped.

At least that is how I intepret what happened.

Cheers

Dave

The volume of the initial spike you refer to was a small fraction of the volume over the 24-48 hours that followed. The market did seem to get spooked when Poloniex temporarily halted trading.

Confidence seems to be returning again now based on current market data.

Ethereum has all the attention now, but this has been the most exciting week for Boolberry (based on trading market activity) since the fall of 2014.  I suspect many former bag holders are now well into the black.

My hope is that more developers take notice of Boolberry. BBR has an attractive foundation to build upon and a loyal community that I think it likely to support new developers that bring fresh ideas.

Some reliable sources tell me that BBR is the VTC 2.0 of year 2016 folks... ;D ;D ;D

PD: Party starts at may-june, you still have time to get some. ;)

Thank me later. :D

If it the Ethereum 2.0, then I will buy some. Ethereum is almost a one billion dollar bubble or asset.

Boolberry is absolutely not Ethereum 2.0 nor does it have any intention of pursuing that path. Boolberry is user friendly CryptoNote coin focused on privacy.

Never buy a coin based on hype.

Is there a future for BBR??? I do not see any development...

BBR is the best cryptonote, simply.

Be careful with this one guys, just remember what you feel when you saw VTC at 200K one month later of being at 4K ... ::) ::)

Yes with new team and roadmap. There is work to be done. But only the fact Boolbery is Crypto Note cost more than this value. I am long with bbr. Be patient and you will have the right results

The boolberry used to be a good coin. But the original developer abandoned it. Does he still get the development fund from the block reward?

BBR can be well recognized because of Blueberry relevation. In fact this coin has huge potential in proper hands. Even 1blockolgist don't do anything its value is more than 20 k satoshi. And of course community is also a good point. Boolberry has great community and also even community can build the price if is active and helpful + Poloniex list it seems like hot project. Do not waste your BBR for puny profits and expect more from it. Respect your investments!

Boolberry already had a pump when it went upto 42k satoshis and then currently playing between 16k and 20k, but I think that as more and more miners are getting their hands on this and started mining this, there must be some strong reason behind it and we might see a big payback for our time and efforts for mining this...

That is the concern of most investors. That is the reason why many people have sold their holding recently.

The Boolberry has no independent usage at the moment. It is just a trading tool for speculation purpose.

BBR *does* have current developers with a vision for the project. They posted thier last update Jan, 17.

Alongside that, BBR is absolutely exploding on Poloniex right now.

New Information about BBR:

New Roadmap and some technical info: http://static1.squarespace.com/static/546ae8eee4b0ec4522fe29a5/t/57d5f705f7e0ab316f50307e/1473640198615/BoolberryOpportunityRoadmap-BlockchainDevelopmentCompany.pdf
New developers thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1611499.0

Current BBR Price: 0.0003700

+24% today, where is the stop?

Looks like it is indeed a SCAM by the dev team. Zoidberg is not back and the false one answers vaguely.

I was in a group chat today with Fluffypony and he said it was a scampump and no Zoidberg either.

Also See the BBR ANN page around 388 and Reddit. 

I just sold mine off at half of what it was from 10 days ago.

I share the same concerns as jwinterm about the development skills of 1blockologist.

In my mint BBR is still the ticker symbol of Boolberry and the GitHub repository of crypto_zoidberg is where the official source code resides.

I remain upset with Bittrex for changing the ticker symbol to XBB at the request of 1blockologist without  talking to crypto_zoidberg or requesting feedback from the Boolberry community. Until and unless this changes I no longer support Bittrex. If you agree please contact support@bittrex.com and ask that they change the Boolberry ticker back to BBR.

Based on the above and future development goals I believe that Boolberry has lost its position (to Aeon) as the second most interesting CryptoNote project after Monero.

Compare the roadmap of Boolberry and AEON and decide for yourself:

https://www.reddit.com/r/boolberry/comments/52boiv/boolberry_opportunity_and_roadmap_research_paper/

http://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/832/does-aeon-have-a-development-roadmap