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So I sent someone private message and I saw this message attached on the top:

"!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!"

https://i.imgur.com/trRB63G.png

I don't know guys but this isn't welcoming and definitely someone who receive messages from newbies here might not take it seriously or even think you are really a scammer. Are we fighting with spammy accounts here? There are other ways to deal with it.


Let's come up with solution better than this :) My suggestion/solution: - lets attach this message only to first message send. Every next message send to the same user won't have this message attached.

I don't mind it. and I don't see many people complaining so they probably doesn't mind it either. that warning is just there to prevent impersonators and such. it might be the best solution available without having to put any restriction.

nah.

Go on then. What do you suggest as a solution? The warning is there because impersonation by newbs of higher ranked members was becoming rife and they had actually been successful in scamming people. Since this warning was put into place I don't believe there's been a single successful scam this way so it works.

All people do is complain and ask for solutions. Nobody has suggested a better one, or actually any solution (in this particular case). Similar things happen with DT.
I do not mind this feature at all (at least there are no newbie restrictions in your time).

i think this is to warn other people that is an impostor of someone who has high reputation in this forum

The warning is for the forums security. For the majority of people and the rules will not be changed for a single person complaining that it isn't welcoming.

Oh and for the record, I don't know about the previous bit you are the first person I saw complaining about this. ;D

I think it's necessary, lots of newbies have scammed people. You have nothing to worry about if you're a good, honest member.

Thanks to the hundreds of newbie scam attempts before you.

Also, you might have noticed, your image is not working, but ours are. That is to discourage the newbie spam attempts with garbage images.

As soon as your activity crosses 15, you'll be able to get rid of these problems known as Newbie Restrictions.

Personally, I think that this is a good idea, but it might be an even better idea to add some sort of system that can detect attempts to impersonate people and block the name from being registered.

It's a good way to make users aware of imposters who claim to represent reputed escrows/members of the forum. In my case, I just don't want the text to get quoted and be sent back to the newbie. It's tiring to keep editing the huge text and send it back to the person.

It would be better if that warning wasn't part of the text of the PM itself but was dynamic, something that is added to the page for posts by newbies, but not part of the PM.

If you saying that the warning should just be on the top of the PM page, then many users would see the message over and over again multiple times and they'd soon see it as part of a background. Also, the reason why the current system works is it immediately points out that the user is a newbie, instead of the warning being put out there and then the receiver having to check each sender to see if they were a newbie (which many people would forget to do sometime or another).

I was thinking that the warning could be in the same place it is now, just that when I click the quote button, that warning isn't part of the PM text that I quote.

I thought that the newbies restrictions would be lifted when the user reaches 30 activity, not 15. Or when a newbie is promocted to Jn member

It is necessary to stop the scammers that pose as another member and try to MITM publicly mentioned trades.  I for one am glad that this is there and it has definitely saved many people from losing their BTC.  Great safety tool.

The first time I saw it when I started posting and stopped lurking, I was like wtf on my first PM. Then it dawned on me that I could be hanging in the beginner forums and scamming people, so I think it's a necessary evil. Granted, the wording could be changed to be something less dramatic, but alas not my forum or decision. :)


Ufo

Well this guy only made 3 posts in almost 2 years. At this rate he would not get out of Newbie for another 8 years. If he has nothing to say, should he really be forced to make empty posts? Maybe the wording should be less dramatic.

I think this is the best situation.  I would agree with not moving it. 

No one mentions the problem there once was with people typing usernames VERY close to others and trying to scam.  And majority were newbie accounts.  So this stops someone from taking a user name from selling or auction and trying to phish some info or btc out of people.  It is very nice.

If you're not an impostor then this message doesn't apply to you, so no its just fine like that. This is the best way to protect everyone from impostors short of preventing new accounts from posting in marketplace and PM'ing people.

Just participate a bit on the forum and it will go away.

True - simply because I am not frequent here and since I know my logins there is no point for me to open new account.


I will simply try to get my comment/post counter up a bit and hopefully this message go away :)

I like it. In fact I welcome any changes that reduce the number of scammers or scams on here.

it is totally fine the way it is.

I remember a couple of people auctioned for the advertisement spaces here on the forum. Someone would create a username fairly similar to theymos and then email the auctioners that "they had won" the auction and to send their BTC to their address. Adding this will minimize the chance of getting scammed.

if i remember correctly, that is the main reason on why they added the warning message in newbie's PM.

Well, if you do business here its a common sense you would like to check the person beforehand. "This user is a newbie" huge text indeed reminds people about it but don't you think it might be a complete turnoff? I don't think admins here tracks reply rate of personal messages from newbies but I won't be surprised if the reply rate is very low due to this red, bold text. This is my main concern.

You'd be surprised how many people fall for it. Thse types of scams made away with at least 15k that I know of, probably more that I don't know of.

It's not a big deal, get over it.

 Let's just put it this way, people here are literate enough to understand why there is a warning and lliterate enough not to complain about it. Get over it. ;)

doesnt really sound fair to new fair users. how about for a solution we do this: that warning only gets sent once to a person that the newbie is pming with? like they only get the message the first time

wat

https://i.imgur.com/9snHyfC.jpg




Hugroll is right, one reminder attached to first message is enough. But if every next message looks like this, you really appear like a scammer to other members.

that's interesting, 15k in $ or bitcoin, because there is a big difference, it could compete with some major thief that stole big amount of coin on famous exchange

Get over it bro, it only takes a month to reach jr. member so if you want to remove that warning message, wait until you turn jr.

See my message again.

Lol. It's just a simple warning to members. It won't hurt any interaction so I don't see the problem with it. It only makes sense to warn people when trading with a new member.

Chill. If you followed the topic you know I have been here for 2 years. So how does it work? Are you turning into Jr with a time or with an activity where you are actually logged in?

The quickest way I see it is to pass some certain amount of comments/posts.

The 30 days is the minimum it takes to get to Jr member, in one activity period(14 days) you can get 14 activity points and if you do not post in time period those are forever lost(for you)
Edit: About 30 days being the least amount of days, actually you can be a Jr member in 29 days to be exact, if you post in monday just before the activity period resets.

why is this such a big deal to you?

If you have really been here for two years then you do know that the activity is not about how many post you make here. It's about the time you spent in the forum, with accordance to the 14 activity every 14 days. ;)

I understand how you feel OP, but you have to understand that the forum is designed to keep people aware that the scam can be waiting for them behind every corner. Most of the scams are done exactly by the newbies, like PayPal buying scams, etc..

Don't take this personal, we all had to go through this, remember this.

Ya man. Solution suggested already, up to admins what they will gonna do. I will deal with it either this or that.

WARNING: This user is a newbie.

This makes it EXTREMELY hard for new users to get started up.
It makes every newbie look like a scammer.

Well if you just do some posting and don't immediately jump to attempting to do trades, then you won't have that warning and you won't seem like a scammer. Duh.

this is a bitcoin forum, not a marketplace forum. the warning isnt that intrusive, and well justified imo.

No it doesn't. It tells the person receiving the message that such message is not from an established user. If someone is expecting a message from a trusted, established user (and has already checked their trust rating) then they may not notice that the person sending the message has zero posts or even that they have negative trust. 

Even though the person was impersonating me, there was one instance (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1057087.msg11386597#msg11386597) when I needed to look closely to find the difference between his handle and my handle, and for a minute I thought that my account was hacked when I saw that "quickseller '" had last posted in my auction thread.

I would personally suggest that newbies be prevented from having anything in their personal text in order to prevent them from having "senior member" (or administrator, or whatever rank of the person they are attempting to impersonate) in their personal text.

I would have to agree.  You will be out of newbie in not a ton of time.  So it's not a lifetime sentence of having that or yes that would be a problem. 

Before it there seemed to be a to common of a trend of people creating names like sellers of auctions or goods.  They would message people, in a hurry they did not notice was a newbie account and not real person.  So they got scammed.  It seems like this newbie warning has almost if not gotten rid of this which is awesome.

So it by far does more good then bad.

thats jsut a warning anyway. i got that message like everyone one here when they're once a newbie.

Quite necessary, because unfortunately a large majority of Bitcointalk can not work out the difference between a usergroup title and the personal text under your name or even your signature. People generally either have the attention span of a goldfish or are unfortunately too inexperienced to spot these scams, at about a 75/25 split. I'm sure plenty of impostor scams still occur even with that warning.

Yes you are right. That is just like a culture Lil
And that warning won't create a thought in anyone dealing with you like a Scammer. That is just a warning to make them aware that user might not be that what I am expecting.
For example when I bid in Auction I got a message from a user whose username was 'THEYM0S `. Since the username of real username is 'theymos'. So he tried to scam me for 2.1 bitcoin
Here is the link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1204414.msg12694464#msg12694464

So people just ignore the message when the opposite trader knows he is dealing with a Newbie.
So, it won't affect you and your deals

You might have people prone to slapping a red trust on you if you refuse to prove you own the items you are trying to sell (With a picture + handwritten date/user forum name) or refuse to use escrow or go first.

But if you avoid scammy behavior, you'll definitively be fine.

This!

This is just warning! If someone will take your proposition seriously will be know that this is just information. This warning is not to ruin your life, it is just to inform people that something like this can happen and they should to be careful. Nothing more.

I didn't really mind it much initially either. Took some getting used to. But I didn't mind it much. And I don't mind it now. It may be bothersome to some people. And yes, it isn't really needed.

Yes, it is really needed. I am very small time here, only picking up some small deals from time to time, i don't deal in pricy stuff or anything of significant value, yet 4 persons tried directly to scam me. So imagine how bad it is for bigger players.

I also reported a couples of impersonators that were posting in someone else's thread, impersonating the OP, "reducing the price for a quick deal" and giving a BTC address, then also sometime sending PM to the people who had replied to the thread to raise their changes. The warning is here to prevent mostly this.

Its a necessary evil, one that a new account can get rid of quickly and if you are legit, it does not even apply to you, since it merely say "If you were expecting a veteran user, then this is not that person."

It's as simple as sticking around for a couple weeks and this heading is removed from your messages. There need not be a solution to something that isn't a problem.

Any newbie worth his salt will not care about this being in their messages and it will be gone extremely soon.

This message has never hurt somebody, but I'm sure it has helped many.

The only people moaning about this are the newbie scammers because its making their scamming difficult.

Well do you know what I say about that. Fuck them they're not welcome here >:(.

That was attached when I was a newbie.
It goes when you become a Jr Member.
It is just a warning to say that the NEW user account may be an undetected imposter of a mod, staff, hero/senior, admin member account.
There should just be a message attached with a code instead that links to a warning rom a locked thread from Thymos or even just that people should look at the rank of the person and see if they can trust them.

A few weeks? Its over a month that a user must wait. They have to wait until they are atleast JR for atleast 1 day.

True, everyone who have good intentions don't seems to care, takes it as a information and that's all. I think that's what most bothers scammers!

I found that quite annoying when I was a newbie. I am not a scammer or anything but it does leave a large flag up to everyone that I pmmed. Luckily it was very few people. It could at least be in the same size as the message text rather than in the bitcointalk maximum size of 50pt instead of 20pt.

I had no problem doing dealings as and with people with the flag. People will just expect you to do escrow, you'll only gain instant distrust if you refuse escrow, refuse to prove you have the goods with the typical picture + handwritten note.

If anything, there is a certain bias because most of the people with that flag are often people who don't want to follow the etiquette. Those who does lose the flag momentarily.

Good feature that helps cripple scammers preying on distracted/gullible users through PM.

Plus, it doesn't take much activity to get out of the newbie status anyway.

The Gullible shouldn't really be using the internet if they can believe information sent by a pm from a random stranger they don't know and to hand over money from this!
Can people not just check the activity of a person and their rank to see that they are not a hero member they were expecting a PM from? That's the first think I check when reading amessage, who it was from!

Some people deal with dozens of PM a day, having to manually check everything every time is a lot of work, and not every user that they deal with are users with avatar or with a lot of posts.

Its pretty easy to catch an impersonator this way and it does not affect legit users.

I don't think people realize how many of these attacks there were daily.

i got that pm message *header* occasionally and i thought people were writing that in on their own.. doh LOL

Haha spoetnik bro U came to know about it now ??
When u were newbie that time u didnot came to know about this brother ? Hehehe

From  July 18, 2013, 04:03:36 AM and you only noticed it in November 5/6 2015?

Maybe he use forum messages only occasionally.. ;)