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The United States Attorney's Office for the Northern District of California announced today that Roger Ver was sentenced to 10 months in prison for selling explosives on the online auction site, eBay. The sentence was handed down by U.S. District Court Judge Jeremy Fogel following a guilty plea on one count of dealing in explosives without a license in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 842(a)(1); one count of illegally storing explosives in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 842(j); and one count of mailing injurious articles in violation Title 18, United States Code, Section 1716. Mr. Ver, 22, of San Jose, was charged in an information filed in federal district court on August 8, 2001. According to the plea agreement, Mr. Ver admitted to engaging in the business of selling explosives without a license from January 1999 through August 2000. According to the information and plea agreement, Mr. Ver sold explosive devices described as "Pest Control Report 2000" on the online auction site eBay. He purchased approximately 49 pounds of the devices from a supplier in South Carolina, and sold at least 14 pounds of the devices to bidders on eBay. While engaging in the business of selling explosive devices, Mr. Ver stored the explosives in a residential apartment building and mailed the devices via the United States Mail in a manner contrary to Postal Service regulations. Judge Fogel sentenced the Defendant to 10 months in federal prison, a fine of $2,000, as well as a three-year period of supervised release. The Defendant will begin serving the sentence on August 2, 2002. The prosecution was the result of an investigation by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. Scott Frewing is the Assistant U.S. Attorney who prosecuted the case with the assistance of Legal Assistant Lauri Gomez.

Is this news to everyone or just me?

As a convicted felon,  I think [...]

This is yet another reason that when your ignore button gets dark enough the user should automatically be given the douche bag tag and their posts should not longer be visable anywhere unless other users click on them.

This is well known.  We still support Roger 100% with his support of bitcoin.

All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation.

He purchased approximately 49 pounds of the devices from a supplier in South Carolina, and sold at least 14 pounds of the devices to bidders on eBay.

Exactly. According to this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113400.msg1225950#msg1225950) of him, Roger apparently provoked the wrong people, and got sent to jail for a non-crime that normally is not actually punished.

It's crypto-totalitarianism (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http://www.ordemlivre.org/2010/01/cripto-totalitarismo/). Everyone is a potential "criminal". Provoke the wrong people, and they may literally destroy your life (http://www.naturalnews.com/035524_Andrew_Wordes_Roswell_chickens.html).

Exactly. According to this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113400.msg1225950#msg1225950) of him, Roger apparently provoked the wrong people, and got sent to jail for a non-crime that normally is not actually punished.

All this does is strengthen my association of "ex-con" with living in a police state. It no longer has any automatic negative connotation.

I found the original post particularly offensive.  

This is yet another reason that when your ignore button gets dark enough the user should automatically be given the douche bag tag and their posts should not longer be visable anywhere unless other users click on them.

MOE-PR - You should change that subject line too.

This exact same thing happened to a friend of mine's dad. He ran for state political office and they threatened to destroy his life if he didn't quit the race. When he didn't, they trumped up some absolute garbage about how the insurance company he owned sent some business paperwork with mistakes in it through the mail, constituting mail fraud. He spent 10 years in jail. The case was complete nonsense, his business was the very clean, and everyone involved knew it. Our "justice" system is a joke.

That's insane.

Every day I feel less bad about wanting an economic collapse to come about and smash this system, and to ruin those sorts who depend on it and use it to enact such injustice.

I vote to move this thread to the trash can and theymos, I'd gladly take GOAT back if you ban this FUD mongerer MOE-PR

Dude, seriously, who the fuck are you again? I must have missed the moment when you did something I should care about. Or at least remember or something.

Every day I feel less bad about wanting an economic collapse to come about and smash this system, and to ruin those sorts who depend on it and use it to enact such injustice.

It's really scary to think about how easily it could happen to any of us, if someone with pull chooses to make it happen. Scary and infuriating.

It's an amazing anecdote of our terrible "justice" system and the harm it does routinely to good people.

I'm nobody. I just find you annoying. Sorry.

I found the original post particularly offensive.  

This is yet another reason that when your ignore button gets dark enough the user should automatically be given the douche bag tag and their posts should not longer be visable anywhere unless other users click on them.

MOE-PR - You should change that subject line too.

gee... Thanks a lot for that...

Now back on topic.
I'm also an ex-con. And so what? Am I less of a person because I decided to stand for what I believed and got sent to jail because of it?

I'm probably one of the few here that would not fear getting in the ring with Roger Ver, going mano y mano. Would make a fine betting event come next spring, giving Roger some time to get in shape.

~Bruno K~

Boxing Bitcoiners?!?  Where do I sign up?

What makes you believe an economic collapse would bring something better?

These injustices happen everywhere. The whole world is fucked up when you think about it. I'm not sure a collapse would bring something better.

In respect to full disclosure, I feel the community should know I was arrested and detained for smoking weed in my car.

Did I deserve to be locked up for 30 hours?

In respect to full disclosure, I feel the community should know I was arrested and detained for smoking weed in my car.

"Being silent will only make it worse, you have to cooperate with us."

Did I deserve to be locked up for 30 hours?

Yet, it took 3 police cruises with 6 officers to take me down.

You must work out ;)

In respect to full disclosure, I feel the community should know I was arrested and detained for smoking weed in my car.

The cops only found a half smoken joint on the floor of my car, which was all I had. Yet, it took 3 police cruises with 6 officers to take me down.

When they asked me if I was smoking (so I would not knowingly give them a confession) I was completely silent which prompted them to throw me down on the hood of their car while I was handcuffed. They repeatedly told me "Being silent will only make it worse, you have to cooperate with us."

(A few months later I learned that a house was robbed about 3 blocks away from where I was arrested for smoking a joint...job well done boys)

As a 19 year old kid, I was kept in a dark lockup with many a dozen very scary and larger people than me for 30 hours. I was only allowed to pee once.

When I finally saw a judge, he told me not to do it again, dropped the case, and was on my way in about 15 minutes.

Did I deserve to be locked up for 30 hours?

I just happened upon


via justice.gov (http://www.justice.gov/criminal/cybercrime/press-releases/2002/verPlea.htm).

Is this news to everyone or just me?

This exact same thing happened to a friend of mine's dad. He ran for state political office and they threatened to destroy his life if he didn't quit the race. When he didn't, they trumped up some absolute garbage about how the insurance company he owned sent some business paperwork with mistakes in it through the mail, constituting mail fraud. He spent 10 years in jail. The case was complete nonsense, his business was the very clean, and everyone involved knew it. Our "justice" system is a joke.