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Let me just begin my thread by mentioning how pathetic it is in my honest opinion that some people in this forum do not have ideas to help the success of Bitcoin, but have the undeserved self righteousness to belittle another human being's ideas with no audacity to come up with their own.

Bitcoin is still very much in its prime. It will only succeed if we have every single Bitcoin user having some kind of strategy to help it grow. You cannot complain that you're struggling with your bills trying to have Bitcoin as your plan A. Bitcoin isn't even qualified to be a plan A, when it has plan B characteristics. Take those characteristics and change them.


If you're one of the many people that just want to cash in on Bitcoin, but not help it then just leave.

I'm sorry, I missed what your idea is to push the success of Bitcoin forward, how are you helping Bitcoin - can you share that with us please?

You have a personal message that advertises that you sell gems. And you have a signature for YoBit, which you get paid for. You wouldn't want us left with the impression that you're only here for personal gain, "that [you] just want to cash in on bitcoin", would you?

The reality is this Forum is not just for people that have ideas on how to improve Bitcoin's adoption, or infrastructure, or transaction volume capacity. This Forum is for much more than that. It's for people to learn about Bitcoin. It's for people to ask questions about Bitcoin. It's for people to sell things or services for Bitcoin.  It's for people to discuss mining Bitcoin.

Most important, it's for people to enjoy in a community that uses and appreciates Bitcoin.

If you can't understand that, if you can't handle that, if you think that all others must go - you don't get it and perhaps you should leave.

I agree with this sentiment 100%, we need to treat people with respect, which includes not trying to chase people away based on what one person values as their contribution.

To be completely honest, I'm really sticking up for somebody else with this post. Not myself.

I am a coder for an upcoming website a friend and I will be using to help showcase artwork for Bitcoin. We are almost done with this project.


Fine. If you want to be here to learn about Bitcoin, that's great. Just don't sit around and complain that the price keeps dropping when you're not really doing anything to prevent that. I see that too much and it's annoying.

New thread title: "If you don't have any ideas, you shouldn't even complain".

Nonsense

For quite a while I visited the forums as a guest before joining.

i think what the OP is trying to say is that soo many people sit on their hands and shout,
when will bitcoin go mainstream
when will bitcoin get noticed
when will bitcoin reach $xxxx

well, bitcoin is just code.. it has no voice, no arms no legs..
its the community. (you and me) that are the voice, arms and legs.. so for those asking when.. the answer is when they help themselves.

a prime example is a guy asking when his local shop will accept bitcoin.. like it will magically happen.. if he wants his local shop to accept bitcoin, he the person in the town, using that shop should go and ask that shop about bitcoin.. as a stranger 1000 miles away wont do it..

I think the number one idea for coming here (for me at least) was to learn. When I joined in 2011 there really were no other places to learn about and discuss btc. I needed knowledge.

During my stay here I've had ideas. I've seen others with bright ideas. I've seen them come and I've seen them go. All sorts of bright ideas. Maybe 1% actually took hold and were useful the rest were just pissing in the wind. Sorry guy, but the worlds full of brilliant thinkers with great ideas. The road to hell is also paved with good intentions.
You will have to excuse me now because I need to lead my horse to water...

Thank you for this. Yes.

I feel like I could have said it in a nicer way, but it doesn't matter. Everyone gets the gist of it.

Careful, ego is huge in this one. In all seriousness people who are part of this community are doing much more than rest of the world who are unaware of bitcoin. Even if they are yelling about bitcoin in a negative way, you forget that even bad publicity is publicity. I'm not saying that everyone who is bashing bitcoin is doing us good, I'm just saying that we need them in order for this to work. Just like we need all the news articles who claim that we're going to be dead in 3 years time. We need them to prove them wrong.

My ego isn't huge at all. I'm being honest. I'm not going to tell you things in a way that won't hurt your feelings. I will tell you as it is. "If you complain that you don't like it, get up and do something about it".

As for media attention, what does that have to do with Bitcoin users complaining that Bitcoin isn't worth their time anymore?

The people here can't do much. Those who are constantly asking for global adoption and for when the price will reach $25,000 per coin, are the kind of people who don't understand how Bitcoin works and what it exactly does. They are here to earn some free bits and just YOLO buy their coins at a certain price hoping it will rise so they can make a nice profit.

I am the kind of person who finds that actions speak louder than words. I try to keep the network as safe as possible by running a full node. It might not look like much, but I am definitely contributing. I make people aware of Bitcoin by telling what and how they can use it to benefit from it.

What I and other people can do is, visit local stores and explain them in detail what Bitcoin is and how it works. If I can make at least 1 store accept Bitcoin, my task is already successful.

I think that OP is missing the point at large. Many people use bitcoin for various reasons. Thanks to it's neutrality and ease of getting to use an address with just basic technical skills needed it's obvious that not every user is going to have a deep technical understanding. Not every bitcoiner can program, not every bitcoiner can come up with BIPs (bitcoin improvement proposals). Whoever is a user however, still hase the chance to defend the way they're using bitcoin by complaining if it was to be threatened. After all, ideas aren't far from complaints. Especially if the person coming up with the idea can't or doesn't know how to implement it.


You're not qualified to say that.  :D

How am I not qualified to say the truth?

Obviously not everyone will come up with an idea. I'm just saying that if you're going to complain about the way Bitcoin is, then you should do something about it instead of whine.

Let others judge you, you can't be an objective judge of yourself due to the point of view you'll always have.

I don't have any ideas. I'm not complaining. I'm ready to support the good ideas when they come along.

I do not complain either, and not doing much. Well, I try to educate people on using exchanges, differences between Pow/Pos Coins, talking about Bitcoin services etc. But not doing much...

PM me your address, I want to tip you.

OP, you're the negative Nancy in this situation. Like OP said in another thread, when you see no problem, then there is no problem. Or something along the lines like that. Most, if not all people who join this forum are here to learn/be part of a community, that has huge potential. 99% of the people are genuine not shitposters.

Don't take this last sentence seriously. A little bit of shit doesn't ruin the whole plate.

I noticed, thanks, i appreciate it. The bitching needs to GO! There's no time or space for it here!

Nobody is going to judge a person they don't know personally .

Thank you.

All I'm trying to say is don't complain if you're not going to do anything about Bitcoin. That's all I'm saying. I'm sorry you're offended because you'd rather complain than actually do something.

You can't force it to drink though, so.

Please don't be like that. Anything is possible.

1 store is definitely a step, but to be honest it's just very far from a huge adoption.

You are also complaining. Why would you care about these people if you can simply ignore them and continue with what you consider is important. A lot people here are to become rich with Bitcoin. They don't care about the technology behind it or that it has a gigantic potential. It's purely money as in profit for them.

I'm complaining about people complaining. How interesting.


Well, this is different. Sometimes people need to see how ridiculous they look by mimicking their behavior.

That was the reason why I jumped in. And the only reason I started learning more about bitcoin and I'm not the only one. Sad thing is that the more i learn the less i know. I've read bitcoins whitepapers, I understand them. I've watched more than a months worth of video material about bitcoin. I've read several altcoins whitepapers. As I put one piece of the puzzle on the floor I discover 10 more pieces I have yet to place. But all in all the bitcoin journey is one of the most exiting ones I've had in my life. In my opinion there is nothing wrong with the community, but that may be my choice to see it that way.

If that is why you joined, I'm not trying to judge you at all. I can support your decision.

As long as you're not yelling at everyone with an idea to help Bitcoin to "hurry up", I will not be mad at you at all.

Every positive action you do for Bitcoin, contributes to it's success. The poster coming to this forum to complain or to ask something help to add traffic and activity to this site. This draws more attention to the site from advertisers and also new users with the same complaints or questions.

If more people complain about things, someone will notice and possibly identify a need or a opportunity and they will create something to fix that situation. You get moaners and you get do'ers. That is life, get used to it.  ::)

People will be always complaining about everything really. You can't change this no matter what. But some of our fail to notice good qualities of complains, they are motor of changes.
If people are dissatisfied they first complain and the try to change things. Complaining about complaining will lead us nowhere, really.

A thread, where OP complains, that people complain.
A lot of posts, which complain about OP complaining about other people complaining.

So, let's complain about people complaining that there are complaints regarding complaining people.

And now you're complaining about me complaining about people complaining on me complaining about them complaining.

Why do you even need to complain?

My complaint is already valid.

It's just so difficult to get use to it when I just want us all to work together.

I can complain about people complaining to show them just how whiny they look. I don't know why that's so wrong.

i don't have an idea about for example the block limit issue, but i don't support one solution of it, like xt, i support other solution of it, like the dynamic block, if feasible

is this a result of complaining?

Because they don't care. I am pretty sure, that hardly any of the people, you are talking about, are reading this.
Because it is a negative response to a negative response, which never leads to anything positive.
Because now we have another place where people are standing in a circle and talk about how bad the world has become.

Use the word complaining. It's become an overly used word in this thread for some reason.

I couldn't tell you, unfortunately.

You mean complaining about complaining.

well i do care to read. it is kind of interseting to see this kind of thread in this forum becuz most of the time it is more focus on btc related, but this thread is more about the psycology for human reactions to btc.


yup he just trying to refer complaining = negative. and as contradict to what we learn in sch math, negative on negative does not give us positive.

i really liked your reply, and the example you gave it perfectly correct instead of compalining that when will all shop owner will start bitcoin as payment option, instead they can go and ask the shop owner about bitcoin and its uses and how he can utilize in his business and how he can grow their business. like this only when we act that way we are supporting bitcoin and giving support in making if more familiar.

Well then, I suppose I'm just complaining for the sake of complaining.

I don't really think that there are that many people of that kind on this forum. If there are any, well, please leave as you do not want to help Bitcoin and the Bitcoin community. Most people have good ideas and want to help out Bitcoin. And yeah. Bitcoin is definitely a plan B instead of a plan A, please don't get confused.

You have nailed it mate! Bitcoin community and this forum has way too many people that are seeing Bitcoin as a quick get rich scheme. These people are not contributing much but in many instances they are even getting very annoying with their complaining, when will we get rich? And AL this time they are just sitting on their assets while doing nothing.

Splendid. Like Splenda.

The quality / validity of your ideas has no bearing on my own or anyone else's.
You violate the very core fabric of scientific examination when you post this topic.
An idea has no value until it is reviewed. (this is what is SUPPOSE to happen)
Your idea is submitted then reviewed because this is how reality works.
Don't complain about reality.. your not going to win against it. LOL
You're also complaining about complaining hahha

And your idea ?
A trail of possible credit card fraud and lies and shady activity, trolling and threats.
Do you recall following me around posting on my topics you know someone threatening me ?
Recall how i told you i don't care.. don't bother me with it call the cops ?
Remember how you THEN went on to start sending me PM's about it (3 of them)

For future reference maybe stay out of the threats business and stick to your "not card'ing" activities.

Ideas ? hmmm
Like your banned girl friend here trying to solicit us for Bitcoin in return she would flash her tits on Skype privately ?

You know what i don't understand is how you guys riddled with a trail of scammy behavior keep on going.
Your bad at it ..leave it to the skilled scammers that keep their head down.

OP i am surprised you still show your face around here never mind make topics like this.
And you must be pretty stupid to have the bloody audacity to threaten me of all people here.
Did you look at my post history ?
I'm a god damn beast kid.. i eat 20 of your kind before breakfast son LOL

Link to his banned GF = codishmumu - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=536017
little miss Asian/Black from Toronto who has kids and most likely shares a bed with the OP
who used to be a graffiti artist (he claims) and now helps sell his GF's Bitcoin styled sweaters in off-topic LOL

EDIT:
Here is where the OP is selling his GF's stuff for her even though she is banned..
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1240581.0

Wrong idea. If everyone who like or love bitcoin for tens of reasons but have not any idea how to help it, will leave it, the people which will have to do with bitcoin would be e few hundreds (I'm being generous in giving such figure). If it will be such situation for sure bitcoin will be dead.The use of it only by few hundred people mean nothing in the today market. Much more other altcoins have more users.

So to pretend that everyone must help bitcoin or to leave it it is totally wrong approach according to me. For me is a big help even only someone use or hold or accumulate it. The most big help that someone can give. Even if make only one the above three actions is a enormous help for it. The spread of bitcoin (which is the totally of the three above actions) is the most big and irreplaceable help that a person can do for it. It is enough to do this and this person need the gratitude for someone which like or love bitcoin. The spread of bitcoin mean more value and more power for it. More recognition and more deep root in the market and within the people which use and will use it. More impossibility to fight or ban it. More near of the final aim to be part of every person in the Earth.

Just ride the wave and have a nice coffee out there.


What kind of strategy do you want? If people will not complain about struggling their bills or any financial problem and thinking of Bitcoin as a solution, do you think people will think of that Bitcon? That's the point here. They consider bitcoin can help so they are trying anything just to have it without realizing that they helping the bitcoin community in terms of popularity and awareness.

Even all people that bitcoin user will have strategy that you are talking about still BTC will not succeed. Mass adoption is the key here wherever what or where they will use that coin.

Huge/global adoption can only happen if they see there is demand for purchasing things with Bitcoin. And at this point the demand is not there. People do occasionally use Bitcoin as currency, but it is far from enough to make merchants stand in a row to accept Bitcoin.

And Bitcoin as it is right now isn't able to handle global adoption scenarios. For that we need at least larger blocks, and perhaps even faster confirmation times. That's why I hope the Core devs release their version of the Core client with larger blocks. As soon as they do that, the whole XT drama will be over.

Yeah, agreed. Hopefully this happens soon.

We'll get mass adoption if we really focus on spreading the word.

Okay then how about this: people with no ideas should at least encourage the others with ideas instead of trying to tear them down.


If they can't come up with better ideas, they shouldn't even talk.


That's the main point of my post. "Do better, or shut your mouth". The second one is much easier to do.

Exactly this. This is why I do bitcoin on the side and still have a full time job that supports my family

I really don't get op. You're claiming it's wrong to hold for the price increase, or to buy things when the price increases ?!
Either way it's "cashing in" on bitcoin.

Just imagine someone saying "stay away from stocks if you're only here to profit on them".
What is a man supposed to do ? Just hold and do nothing with it ? You have a flawed logic man.

I'm trying to say that people complain too much that Bitcoin isn't mainstream yet. They need to help it grow.

And for the people that like to insult other people's ideas to help Bitcoin, they need to do better or shut their mouths. That's all I'm saying.

Excellent post. With few words but clear ones. It would be better if it will be some example what is the meaning "better" or what can be better because this way of expression can help those with no ideas but which want to help. In this way even those who have no idea can copy the idea given and help (passing from "shut your mouth" to "do better"). Anyhow this is my idea and does not mean that may be even yours. Everyone has its way to write or express him's thoughts. And it is right to be so. As conclusion, your new post, as it is, is totally correct and I have nothing to tell, interpret or correct.  ;)

Criticism improves the quality of things.

For example i was complaining about this place i rented way back years ago to co workers.
One of them got mouthy with me and said i bitch about it too much and it's a waste of time etc.
I told him if he let me finish talking i was going to say that i had bitched at the Landlord
and they lowered my rent by a large amount.

He did not have anything else to say LOL

If you want engineer a false reality where everything is peachy fine go for it but don't drag us into your delusion.
I choose to be apart of a reality that is both good and bad.

You sound like Facebook people who whine about whiners hahha
According to some people you are only suppose to post positive happy good news comments on there or shut up.
Same thing your saying here..

And how can the average user be expected to put a stop to any or all immediate conversion to fiat, exactly?