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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 02:12:58 PM



Title: EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc.
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 02:12:58 PM
Note: I reserve the right to edit this post for content and accuracy. The spirit and substance of what I have said here will not change.
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Partial Retraction: I have decided to retract non-forum complaints (especially those against Mircea Popescu for rating me -10 on OTC purely out of malice). This is just out of a personal belief the forum should not be used for non-forum bitcoin complaints. Secondly, the truth is that Mircea/MPOE-PR while I don't like them, don't really make it their life's purpose to slander me. It's okay not to like me and to voice that. This isn't about trying to change people's personal opinion about me. This is about people accusing me of committing a crime I am not guilty for.
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I allege the following people have deceived and defrauded me, my companies, and various investors on this forum.

1. Puppet
2. Deprived
3. EskimoBob
4. deeplink

Lesser to the above are:
4. Guruvan
5. Ian Bakewell

First; what is fraud, exactly?

In criminal law, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual.

Therefore if I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that

a) an intentional deception was made
b) for personal gain or to damage another individual


then the named parties ARE GUILTY OF FRAUD and DESERVE A SCAMMER TAG.

What do I want? I want a scammer tag for every person named in this report OR a full apology made on this thread OR I want to be left alone; in short, stop lying about me, and stop taking potshots against me in unrelated threads. What I really want is to be left alone. I'm tired of these bullshit accusations. I would much rather do something positive and add value to the community. It is time wasting and energy draining to respond to these trolls.

Many people have said I should not respond to trolls. This is a dangerous assumption. Look at what maged and badbear, both high level forum mods, have said about me. Badbear in particular has said I am a scummy fuck because of what others have said about me. He inserts himself into threads he has no business in to slander me and troll me. If we assume his intentions are good then badbear and maged are prime examples of why I cannot ignore these trolls and must make a full response. Because the actions of these people is wrong and irresponsible and causes me direct financial damage, despite there being no actual proof I am a scammer. In fact, if you look at reports from my actual customers such as PsychoticBoy (see post #2 below) you will see I did my job and there were no real complaints.

Although it is difficult for me to remember exact times and dates, I will provide references where I can.

What is the minimum limit of my demonstrable financial loss?

1. EskimoBob intentionally broke a contract that he agreed to seven times on IRC. Although Maged said EskimoBob should not recieve a scammer tag for this, without exception everyone who was present in the IRC channel who chose to speak out about it on EskimoBob's accusation thread agreed that he broke his contract and should recieve a scammer tag.

Further to this, in the accusation EskimoBob viciously attacked me and attempted to obfuscate the situation by counter-accusing me of being a scammer and (!!!) Maged seemed to agree that I had made dishonest statements.

As a direct result of these trolls, I experienced a demonstratable financial loss; One, Ian Bakewell (and likely BitcoinMiningINV) canceled their contracts with CPA.

Secondly, I had lost business in an unrelated transaction on the services forum whereby I needed someone to buy something for me online, and they made reference to that thread and Maged's comments. I also likely (although unprovably) lost business which I would have otherwise gained had EskimoBob and Maged not allowed that thread to derail.


See the IAN BAKEWELL section below for where Ian admits that as a direct result of this thread and Maged's comments I was caused a direct financial loss.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1230191#msg1230191
"It is very clear that usagi has been posting misleading statements. It may not be enough for a scammer tag, but it's pretty damn close" Notably, Maged has NEVER, EVER, EVER responded to any call to state exactly what dishonest statements I have made.

it is WELL KNOWN that these people are trolls and liars:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112927.msg1260865#msg1260865 (among many other such posts)



POINT ONE: I have been damaged by EskimoBob's comments.
POINT TWO: There is absolutely no question that I have been damaged by other people's comments, such as puppet, deprived, and deeplink; these people have accused me of various things, none of which has ever been proven true. In short they lied. They had an intent to defame me, in order to defraud investors in CPA.

The oddest thing about all of this is that throughtout this entire event, MPOE-PR/Mircea Popescu and EskimoBob were both invested in my companies. Mircea in particular copied my business model (no, he did not invent the CDO, he copied what I did 6 weeks after he saw I was successful at it) and used my own CDO as a basis for his; he invested in at least 100 shares of NYAN.A.

examples where eb states he was holding my companies all along:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1343097#msg1343097
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126560.msg1343590#msg1343590

(mircea's use of nyan.a was published on his blog, I don't have a link handy sorry).


I will now outline (some of) the many damaging statements and lies the people named above have stated. This is VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION because it demonstrates that LIES have been told about me; I have therefore proven that ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE CLEARLY COMMITTED FRAUD.



ESKIMOBOB.
Warning. EskimoBob's "ART" security was delisted and he was banned from #assets-otc for life. EskimoBob is a known troublemaker.
@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

0. EskimoBob slandered me on OTC: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Usagi&sign=ANY&type=RECV

1. EskimoBob said that I had been kicked off numerous internet forums. He has been asked several times to name even one, but he has ignored the question.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1242635#msg1242635
"Usagi keep lying to forum readers and publishing unreal NAV's."

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1242670#msg1242670
"Your lies about NYAN*, BMF etc NAV's and so on are all over this forum. "
What lies? I've been accused of lying, but no lie has been shown.

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1338370#msg1338370
"not a single bank trusts him with a CC? WTF!"
Baseless accusation, unsupported statement.

5. (ibid)
"...long history of trolling.   "
If you do not know what happened on rec.martial-arts, don't make a fool of yourself. Not a troll.
Oh, so you really want to drag up my past history? I was invited to the private neijia mailing list run by M.S. and I have had several discussions with M.S. I wrote the chi faq:http://renli.wordpress.com/chi-faq/ and this is why I was attacked so hard on R.M-A. Over the years the forum became populated by people who did MMA and visciously attacked anyone who did kung fu. Especially tai chi. Although not everyone was a bad apple usenet is full of professional trolls. i was called a troll merely because I did tai chi. That is the whole story. Want to talk about my outrageous claims? Such as like China would get an aircraft carrier in 2012? No one believed me. I live here. I know. But I was attacked for what I said. My entire history on r.m-a was basically trying to get people to realize tai chi was not about shooting chi balls out of your ass. Go read the Chi FAQ and decide for yourself if I believe I can shoot chi balls out my ass. I do not wish to discuss r.m-a and if you think it's an issue, go post about it on r.m-a. I did martial arts for over 20 years. I consider myself retired. If you are interested in martial arts you should probably respect my experience on the subject. I am not saying I cannot be wrong. I am saying martial arts has nothing to do with bitcoin and not everyone always agrees. The arguments stemmed from the fact everyone did different styles of martial arts and couldn't stop bickering and trolling about it. The end.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343640#msg1343640
No unresolved issues.

7. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1217702#msg1217702
"Yes, Usagi scammed me, when he told me lies to sell me some of the shares."
What lies? EB bought shares on GLBSE. I had nothing to do with it.

8. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1220627#msg1220627
"Is this farce any way to related to anything you can actually call a contract? No, it is not."
Yes, the entire thread was about how he broke a contract he agreed to seven times, and several people weighed in on that in my favor.

9. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1222078#msg1222078
"Other investors are pissed off too."
Who? All of the large investors like DeadTerra were not upset. I certainly wasn't upset, I owned a majority of my companies.

10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1224557#msg1224557
"He even used your name to squeeze me for coin yesterday"
...based on a judgement/suggestion by maged that everyone saw (and EB had replied to, showing that he had read it). This demonstrates a very clear-cut case of misrepresentation by EB.

11. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1338329#msg1338329
"wasted and swindled away thousands of investors BTC. "
blatant lie. I did not swindle 1 btc let alone 100 let alone 1000s.

12. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1276365#msg1276365
"your own stupid mistakes that cost over 7000 BTC to your investors"
"you are the scumbag who swindled hundreds if not thousands of coins of your investors money and wasted it of who knows what. Not me. "
malicious criminal libel/slander. Extremely irresponsible comments by eskimobob.

13. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1274090#msg1274090
again accuses me of destroying 7000 btc in investor capital.

14. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1273250#msg1273250
"I am informing project supporters that those are NOT securities."
EB scams people by claiming his ART project securities are not securities.

15. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110350.msg1213854#msg1213854
"<EskimoBob> you do not run business. You run some "make believe" bull shit"
delusional

16. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1209093#msg1209093
"Investors have forked over to you at least 14 226,2 BTC (if you sold shares only at 0.1 and have not bought back any at lover price). "
delusional









CUNICULA
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1338424#msg1338424
"We also need hero tags for the people who trolled this fuck."
Admitting that it was trolling / had no other purpose than to troll and try and destroy someone's business.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343148#msg1343148
"To libertarians and scammers, I am a troll. I wear the label proudly."
Admission he's a troll (i.e. liar).

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1338029#msg1338029
"Your sample textbook pages include too much English. I am a consumer of language texts. As a consumer, I reject offerings that are full of English language. "
This is in reference to the sample PDFs available at http://kongzi.ca/wtj -- anyone looking at the textbook samples can see that the pages contain mostly Japanese. He intentionally lied to make people think my books were bad, to discredit me, to defraud me from business people would have otherwise given me.
also:
"Your version:
"Strictly speaking, given the above breakdown, we're not dealing with a subject-verb-object sentence pattern, we're dealing with a subject-object-verb sentence pattern""
---> This sentence does not appear anywhere in my sample PDFs. Not sure where he got it from?

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1338361#msg1338361
"...usagi appears to have a long history in scamming."
No, just because I have been around for a while does not mean I have a long history in scamming. Where the heck did he get that from?

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1340438#msg1340438
"You must have pulled a lot of scams to have to change your identity so many times. Did any of your scams succeed?"
Been around for 20+ years. I don't use the same alias all the time. Doesn't mean a thing. No need to repeatedly claim I am a scammer because I use different handles on different forums.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1341108#msg1341108
"I assure you. Usagi has S, C, A, and M level JLPT credentials. "
No, I have real provable experience in asian languages and I have published a great deal of my work. I also have been living here in Asia for around 7 years.


DEPRIVED.
Necro account (!!!): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110350.msg1223457#msg1223457

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1229467#msg1229467
"A brief time-line for BMF - an investment company (mis)managed by usagi.  This is relevant to set the scene. ... Obviously usagi then went and did precisely what it had said it wouldn't do"
This is a lie. It was not obvious; Deprived has no reasonable grounds to make that statement and then accuse me of having a nefarious intent.

2. (ibid)
"Oh really?  Where?  This is a blatant lie.  There is no publicity and no motion prior to the post announcing it as a done deal."
The contract was: announced in the securities forum, was published on the company website, and was mentioned in a shareholder letter. It was also discussed on the CPA round table to which DeadTerra, Patrick Harnett, mollison and several others had access. Everyone knew about it. What Deprived said was a lie designed to defame me.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1229843#msg1229843
"As neither BMF or CPA accounts for actual transactions (just a fairy-tale valuation) there's no way to know."
I have said many times I will provide details of transactions if there is any problem. It's called a CSV file.

4. (ibid).
"usagi has consistently refused to answer questions about what the insurance policy covered and why there was no claim on it"
I think everyone knows how vocal I was answering all of the complaints against me.

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1230354#msg1230354
"2.  "All of my shareholders are happy." is not supported by the facts."
It was supported by several shareholder motions and discussions which I had with shareholders in PM.

6. (ibid).
"The vote wasn't even announced in the main BMF thread"
The vote was announced in a BMF thread. What he said was intentionally misleading.

7. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1231611#msg1231611
"Amusing how usagi totally refuses to discuss the BMF insurance issue."
and
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1236530#msg1236530
"when I asked in the BMF thread ages ago (and also in the CPA one) why BMF wasn't claiming on its insurance policy (and what that policy covered if it wasn't loss of NAV) you refused to answer it."
(see above)

8. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1231972#msg1231972
"Nyan cooking the books to cover up an interest-free loan to CPA" - as it hasn't been discussed anywhere (except briefly by me) and just about all the facts in it are already accepted by usagi."
No proof and again, I countered every one of his claims many times.

9. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1346298#msg1346298
"This is also when usagi started defrauding nyan investors (which I never got around to posting about) by making interest free loans to CPA (dressed up as holding YARR shares for the books)."
No interest-free loans were ever made to CPA.

10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1271394#msg1271394
"You've said a few times in this thread that EVERYTHING you had was invested on GLBSE - yet that isn't actually true is it?"
During the times BMF had hardware on order I had never failed to mention that. A shareholder motion was created over the issue of buying hardware. I made a very public series of posts about it. I never once tried to hide the fact we had a small amount of hardware. I mentioned it several times in PM to various creditors.





PUPPET.
0. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97178.msg1217730#msg1217730
"I have no proof it is a scam,"
Puppet admits he has no proof.
also see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1233234#msg1233234
"While no proof or even evidence of scamming," -- puppet is just obfuscating and trolling.

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1229789#msg1229789
"You base your NAV claims on the (un)"real" column and there it still shows your BFL gear at prices way above listprice. ... You are still valuing your ABM shares as if their non upgradable BFL single would somehow be worth 375 BTC."
The "real" colum was discussed many times to represent book value. I added a second colum which pulled share prices off the GLBSE. Puppet failed to acknowledge this, and the numerous disclaimers in the spreadsheet (including showing the formulas used). Secondly, ABM was WORTH that much (0.4/share, IIRC), which shows Puppet was flip flopping in his accusations, as the substance of his complaint was that I was overvaluing shares compared to their GLBSE price.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1264305#msg1264305
"Usagi just deleted all his posts and his website."
No, I left numerous posts including information about CPA's liquidity loan as a sign that I was not leaving and did not intend to defraud or default on anyone.






GURUVAN
0. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117310.msg1258824#msg1258824
Guruvan admits he did not and never did have any evidence.


1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1234299#msg1234299
"The more evidence I see, the more convinced I am that usagi is not incompetent but is acting with the criminal intent to steal funds from investors

When I first met usagi, I thought it was an idiot. When it made CPA, I was pretty sure it was a crook. Now that we're starting to look more deeply into the books, I'm quite certain that usagi is a crook.

1. Manipulating held asset value
2. Mind-bogglingly stupid investment decisions that are likely obfuscated attempts to inject funds into the multi-headed ponzi scheme being run
3. Hiding losses through manipulated asset value
4. Double dealing (the BMF-CPA contract is probably criminal in most jurisdictions)
5. Attempts to silence critics - the volume and hysteria has grown the closer to the truth people investigating usagi have gotten.
6. misrepresenting physical asset value
7. apparently representing expenses as assets
8. Has silently defaulted on contracts between its own companies. Apparently failed to notify shareholders of both companies the default.
9. Apparently manipulating shareholder motion votes
10. Manipulation of share prices
"


A large collection of lies by Guruvan. None of what he has said has ever been proven. He has stated that I have done this but provided no proof. All of these points have been discussed to death and I am guilty of none of them. Silently defaulting for example -- Umm, no, read the contract. Has been discussed numerous times.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1342016#msg1342016
"I'm sure the deletion of posts is in response to the likely investigation by major governments' securities regulating agencies (SEC/FSA) - wouldn't want to leave any evidence lying around"
I am not under investigation by the government. it is a criminal offense to state that someone is under investigation for a crime when they are not. Guruvan has committed fraud and should be labled as a scammer.
In fact this has been shown not to be the case beyond a reasonable doubt. If I was under investigation for AML or something, Nefario would almost certainly be prohibited from releasing shareholder information to me. The fact I have received YARR holder's e-mails and addresses implies I am not under investigation. Not that he had any proof in the first place.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112927.msg1222081#msg1222081
"Pointing out that you've grossly misrepresented your finances would be, except it's true, and he's pointing out either mismanagement or criminal intent. I completely agree with puppet, and have been hinting at this for some months now (as in, since you showed up and got registered on gribble, after my repeated insistence) I didn't think you were a wise investor then, and I have not changed my opinion. "
Once again repeating that I am a criminal/etc.

4. (ibid)
"In short, I think you are a significant danger to investors and I will voice that opinion until you get a court injunction against me. (I suppose you could get a mod to silence me on the forum, but not on IRC) You have several people saying the same things and no one defending your position usagi.  Your accounting doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and it looks like the house of cards is about to collapse. "

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1219640#msg1219640
"reputation" reputation as con-artist and shell game operator?"
The question is rhetorical, so he is stating outright I am a con artist.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1220234#msg1220234
Posting doctored IRC logs that likely/obviously were from Mircea. I was the only one trolled, and they were the only ones paid. See links in the MPOE section.








DEEPLINK.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343400#msg1343400
"3) You have deliberately deleted most of your posts to remove evidence."
No, that is not why I deleted some of my posts.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343504#msg1343504
"You have swindled people with fraudulant business schemes."
He has been pressed repeatedly to qualify this and has ignored the question each time. This is a very clear cut case of malicious criminal libel, and fraud.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343554#msg1343554
"Many have pointed out in the last monts before GLBSE closed how usagi was swindling his customers. In the above posts you find a quote stating that Maged agrees with this."
No, Maged did not agree and no one had provided any actual evidence (least of all DEEPLINK.)

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343619#msg1343619
"usagi has been misleading his customers in the past in various fraudulent business schemes"
More unsupported statements.

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1338775#msg1338775
Vicious, evil, unsupported demands.




IAN BAKEWELL
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1235273#msg1235273
The case against Ian is long. Ian lied to me about his financial position in BAKEWELL and asked me to reduce his payment. A few days later he said he had to break the contract.

He then tried to drag my name thru the mud. Read the above link. it's quite clear I stuck to my contract and he was a total asshole to me. here are some of the lies he told about me:
"Wants the shareholders to be paid in an attempt to claw back, as they hold some BAKEWELL shares that would get the divvy."
Irelevant. The contract clearly stated the money would be returned to shareholders. Read the thread, people were agreeing with me.
2. (ibid)
"I do want the money back, my shareholders do agree, please pay:  1Q1k2uTUZ1ZSSufH2w9xnCnPPzC1QmreEa"
No motion was done at this time. He lied.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343386#msg1343386
"Long live those trolls."
Announces his recognition and support that this is just trolling against me.

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343639#msg1343639
No unresolved issues.

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1226222#msg1226222
"I make all my financials available in the third post of my thread & I try to stay as current as possible."
Ian did not disclose for several weeks that he could not get his 7990's to work, thereby defrauding investors in his company who were lied to in order that Ian could get more BTC from sale of shares.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1231746#msg1231746
In this post Ian presents himself as a scammer. Read the post.
A rough summary is as follows:

a. Ian says:
"In the time between founding BAKEWELL and creating the shareholder insurance fund with you, and now, the plan for BAKEWELL has dramatically changed.
BAKEWELL is a much smaller company than I initially thought I would launch with. We will continue to grow, but on a slow roll out basis.
At this time, the dividends from BAKEWELL will not cover the funds fee. As such I am not able to continue with it at this time.
I will be utilizing the small dividend I receive to aggressively grow BAKEWELL until the first half of the ipo is sold out.
I apologize for any inconvenience this causes you.

The fund currently has 4 BTC in it.
I would like to work out a refund of this from you, less a small management fee.
I would then like to restart this with a larger initial contribution and a payment plan based on dividend income once half of my ipo is cleared out."


b. I immediately respond:
"Working out a refund is not possible because this is an agreement designed to protect your shareholders in case of a default on your end."

c. Ian responds he is aware he CAN NOT cancel the contract in this way:
"I am aware of the contract clauses, particularly A4 and section D."\

d. He gets caught in the lie here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1232050#msg1232050

e. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1236142#msg1236142
In this post Ian threatens to drag my name in the mud if I do not accquiesce to his demands of a refund (in violation of the contract he signed, and despite point c. where he states he is aware he may not cancel the contract).

f. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1236180#msg1236180
In this post Ian once again states that the "single largest factor" in losing his business was the troll threads. This is in sharp contrast to his statement in a).

In short, Ian committed fraud; he defrauded CPA, he lied in order to cancel his contract in full knowledge he could not do this and he attempted to slander me on the forums in order to get out of his contract. This is a clear case of fraud.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 02:13:42 PM
Following is extremely important info which directly relates to my character and whether or not I deserve a scammer tag. This is important info. I will update it over time. As you may guess it is extremely time consuming to collect information like this. I've spent several hours on this and the OP already.

What have usagi's customers actually said about him and his business practices?
(note: mods have my permission to confirm or deny anything I reference in a PM.)

My OTC: Everyone I have ever actually done business with (except smickles) has rated me positively:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Usagi&sign=ANY&type=RECV

PsychoticBoy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1265728#msg1265728
"I have no complaints against usagi, all is settled. If GLBSE would still be up, usagi would still insure ABM. Greetz"
(PsychoticBoy, in PM): "I liked your service and its a shame GLBSE is no more."

Andrzej (email):
"Thank you for a stable service in this turbulent times :)."

friedcat (email):
"I'm also happy trading with you."

dust (cusomer, e-mail):
"Thanks for paying out promptly."

Stochastic, business transaction:
"Thanks, I got the payment.  I have attached all the work in the following uncompressed zip file.  Let me know if you need anything else."

Tril (a customer, in PM):
"Thanks for your services to the bitcoin community. Tril"

mollison (customer, in PM):
"...endless critiques and criticisms of your offerings, name-calling, trolling, etc. ...just trying to help)."
(e-mail:) "Thank you very, very much for holding up your end of this. Sorry the timing was not so good."

Ilikeham (customer, in PM):
"I for one think you are doing fine in this morass of assholes and you should consider broadening your scope and getting together with others to form an investment forum."

Luceo (customer, in PM):
"Wow, Can't believe the amount of trolls."
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126560.msg1345447#msg1345447): "Thanks for running good assets usagi, I don't blame you for anything that happened with GLBSE."

strello: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126560.msg1347452#msg1347452
"No one has actually provided clear evidence of any scam against you." (and other positive comments)
"Congratulations for being one of the very few people around here appearing to have the intention of behaving honourably."

other: tradefortress
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114302.msg1233314#msg1233314
"What is all the fuss about? Seriously, seems like a few trolls wanted to ruin usagi."

Its a form of entrapment whether unintentional or not.

Bullshit.  The onus is always on the buyer/investor/business partner to seek their own independent advice.  What do you think the requirements for product disclosure statements and prospectuses, partnership agreements and the like are all about?  You're supposed to read them and obtain independent advice before making an investment - it's not someone else's fault if you don't do your due diligence.  

If you were blatantly lied to and there is no way that appropriate due diligence could have revealed the lie, then you can start talking about "entrapment", but being too lazy to do your homework doesn't and shouldn't excuse you from the consequences of bad decisions.

This is why I didn't want you to get involved. You are not the first person who has asked for evidence or a victim. BCB did too, as did various people over the last 4-5 months. No evidence exists and no victim.

I am sorry for the interference.

It is becoming obvious that an organized campaign is in place against you. The lack of consistent evidence from the accusers is overwhelming.

Part II: Claims Process Feedback
This is all of the positive feedback I recieved during the claims process while closing down NYAN, CPA and BMF. I have to date not received a single negative comment in feedback.


BMF claimant #24
"I appreciate the hard work you are putting in to return as much value as possible to everyone."

BMF claimant #13
"Keep your time to solve the issue with the trading platforms, try to help you on bitcointalk.org...keep the shares as a donation from me."

NYAN.A claimant #9
"Hi, Usagi :) ... Merry Christmas to you and your family :))"

NYAN.A claimant #2
"I am grateful for your efforts to resolve this whole mess after the unexpected closure of GLBSE. I had nearly written off my original investment...If I can also manage to recover most of the BTC I had tied up in the NYAN assets, this would be very good news indeed."

NYAN.A claimant #13
"Thank you for your hard work, I really appreciate your doing the right thing."

NYAN.A claimant #22
"Thanks Usagi, it was a pleasure doing business with you. Will there be any final dividend for CPA?"

NYAN.A claimant #7
"Great, thanks.  I appreciate the professional way that you are handling this."


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: deeplink on November 21, 2012, 02:17:07 PM
Wow nice, usagi vs. the world. Wait till I get some more popcorn.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 02:33:22 PM
Wow nice, usagi vs. the world. Wait till I get some more popcorn.

No, usagi versus the same 5-6 people over and over and over. By the way how do you respond to the fact you said maged agreed that I was swindling people? All he said was I made dishonest statements (and this was never actually shown).

Further to that you outright claim I swindled people with fraudulent business schemed (see section DEEPLINK item 4 in OP). How do you respond to this? Because you haven't responded the last 5 times I asked you for an explanation (see recent "falsifying NAV" thread).


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: deeplink on November 21, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Wow nice, usagi vs. the world. Wait till I get some more popcorn.

No, usagi versus the same 5-6 people over and over and over. Although you yourself were pretty close to making the list, I don't believe you are a troll, just argumentative over things you believe strongly about (like SLOC).

Those people exposing your bad businesses should receive honor badges.

Not applying for one myself, but if I am not on your list, why am I in the OP?

DEEPLINK.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343400#msg1343400
"3) You have deliberately deleted most of your posts to remove evidence."
No, that is not why I deleted some of my posts.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343504#msg1343504
"You have swindled people with fraudulant business schemes."
He has been pressed repeatedly to qualify this and has ignored the question each time. This is a very clear cut case of malicious criminal libel, and fraud.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343554#msg1343554
"Many have pointed out in the last monts before GLBSE closed how usagi was swindling his customers. In the above posts you find a quote stating that Maged agrees with this."
No, Maged did not agree and no one had provided any actual evidence (least of all DEEPLINK.)

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343619#msg1343619
"usagi has been misleading his customers in the past in various fraudulent business schemes"
More unsupported statements.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: deeplink on November 21, 2012, 02:53:28 PM
By the way how do you respond to the fact you said maged agreed that I was swindling people? All he said was I made dishonest statements (and this was never actually shown).

Dishonest statements, defrauding people, swindling are all excellent descriptions of your business models (do you really want to nitpick on the definition of every single word). Unfortunately nobody can read up on how you do business, because you deleted over 1000 posts. Which is a fraudulent act in itself in my book.


Further to that you outright claim I swindled people with fraudulent business schemed (see section DEEPLINK item 4 in OP). How do you respond to this? Because you haven't responded the last 5 times I asked you for an explanation (see recent "falsifying NAV" thread).

How do I respond to my own claim? I agree with it.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 02:59:19 PM
By the way how do you respond to the fact you said maged agreed that I was swindling people? All he said was I made dishonest statements (and this was never actually shown).

Dishonest statements, defrauding people, swindling are all excellent descriptions of your business models (do you really want to nitpick on the definition of every single word). Unfortunately nobody can read up on how you do business, because you deleted over 1000 posts. Which is a fraudulent act in itself in my book.

Further to that you outright claim I swindled people with fraudulent business schemed (see section DEEPLINK item 4 in OP). How do you respond to this? Because you haven't responded the last 5 times I asked you for an explanation (see recent "falsifying NAV" thread).

How do I respond to my own claim? I agree with it.

You cannot make such claims without proof, especially when I have provided plausable explainations. To do so is to commit fraud.

1. You MUST show how I have swindled people and show that actual people exist who have been swindled.
2. You MUST show which of my businesses were fraudulent (i.e. were created out of an intent to decieve for financial gain). In doing so you must also show the financial gain.

Failure to do so means you have committed fraud, and deserve at the least a scammer tag.

Why?

Because you defrauded me out of potential business, defrauded me by injuring my reputation. I've already demonstrated, documented at least three direct financial losses I experienced as a result of statements similar to yours. You cannot be allowed to make such statements without providing proof that they are true. I demand you show that I swindled money and that I engaged in fraudulent business practices, or failing that I demand you receive a scammer tag so that no one else is ever fooled by your bullshit again.

You are not here to do business. You are here solely to commit fraud.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: deeplink on November 21, 2012, 03:03:59 PM
Failure to do so means you have committed fraud, and deserve at the least a scammer tag.

Two minutes ago you say I didn't make the list and now I deserve a scammer tag?

Now I am sure you are delusional. I think you need help (seriously).


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: greyhawk on November 21, 2012, 03:06:15 PM
What's all this about "criminal" "law" and "definitions"?

Sounds pretty statist to me. Are you a statist, OP? The free hand of the market will not be reigned in by your so called "laws" .


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Deprived on November 21, 2012, 03:35:53 PM
Badbear in particular has said I am a scummy fuck because of what others have said about me.

No - he didn't say it because of what others said.  He said it because you ARE a scummy fuck.

If and when I get time I'll respond to each and every of the points made about me specifically - purely for the amusement factor not because there's any chance of your complaint being taken seriously.  What I'll do is make a seperate post for each point you raised (in the order you raised them - so there's no basis for accusing me of dodging the "hard" ones.  Then when we've exhausted debating that point we can see what opinion is on who's right on that point and move on to the next.

Should keep us busy - and everyone else amused - for a good few weeks :)

So far I've played nice - think it might be time to take off the gloves.

BTW, haven't checked yet (as I'm kind of busy) - but are the references to an ID on rec.martial.arts anything to do with the Oliver whatveer identity that you a few days back stated wasn't you?  Would be hilarious if so - but I guess even you wouldn't be dumb enough to claim an identity in this thread that you'd explicitly denied was yours just last week. That's not an accusation - I seriously haven't checked and don't know.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: cunicula on November 21, 2012, 03:36:28 PM
Usagi. I outed you as a scammer after your first post about CPA (if that was what your "insurance" scheme was called). Can't find that thread now... hmmm....

You might include my initial accusation in the history. I would like to be able to claim first dibs on ruining your reputation. You are ruining my reputation as prophet.
After all, I called you a scammer before you had even collected any money. You only had to open your mouth and your plans were already transparent to me.

PS I am still waiting for the money to show up in my account so that I can begin 'working' for you.  ;D



Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Zeeks on November 21, 2012, 03:37:29 PM
This is pathetic usagi.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 03:47:55 PM
This is pathetic usagi.

I want to be left alone. I am tired of people claiming I have commited fraud, that I am under investigation by the government, that I am a con artist, that my businesses were created with the intent to deceive people, and with people like badbear trolling simple little threads like when I announce that I am opening a new service.

Stop lying about me.

I have demonstrated that I have lost money and business because of this shit. Leave me alone.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Deprived on November 21, 2012, 03:48:44 PM
Note: I reserve the right to edit this post for content and accuracy. The spirit and substance of what I have said here will not change.
-----
I allege that a criminal conspiracy is present on these forums whose sole purpose is to deceive and defraud, and that the parties include but are not limited to:

1. MPOE-PR (Mircea Popescu)
2. Puppet
3. Deprived
4. EskimoBob

Further that the following parties, while not directly involved, actively support the conspiract by acting in a like manner (and therefore are equally guilty):
5. Guruvan
6. Ian Bakewell

It is of vital importance that all of these people and any party which can be shown to have participated in this clear fraud be given scammer tags and possibly banned from this forum. These are evil, fraudulent people who do not deserve the right to post here.

First; what is fraud, exactly?

In criminal law, a fraud is an intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual.

Therefore if I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that

a) an intentional deception was made
b) for personal gain or to damage another individual


then the named parties ARE GUILTY OF FRAUD and DESERVE A SCAMMER TAG.

What do I want? I want a scammer tag for every person named in this report OR a full apology made on this thread. Although what I really want is to be left alone. I'm tired of these bullshit accusations. I would much rather do someting positive and add value to the community. It is time wasting and energy draining to respond to these trolls.

Many people have said I should not respond to trolls. This is a dangerous assumption. Look at what maged and badbear, both high level forum mods, have said about me. Badbear in particular has said I am a scummy fuck because of what others have said about me. He inserts himself into threads he has no business in to slander me and troll me. If we assume his intentions are good then badbear and maged are prime examples of why I cannot ignore these trolls and must make a full response. Because the actions of these people is wrong and irresponsible and causes me direct financial damage, despite there being no actual proof I am a scammer.

Although it is difficult for me to remember exact times and dates, I will provide references where I can.

Background: Why was I trolled? Why did so many people attack me and no one else? I.E. GIGAMINING lost 40,000 bitcoins of investor money (HALF A MILLION DOLLARS). I did not lose more than a couple thousand because ofa mining crash; not only less in total but less on a % basis. Why was I singled out? Here is my claim:

1. Around the time I put up my letter to shareholders on August 1st, Mircea and I have an argument on #bitcoin-assets where ciuciu and I call him out for not having an education (yet) badmouthing people and arguing about economics. We did this because he was continuously slandering and beraing Nefario for not having a financial education. Well it turns out that Mircea has no education at all (no post secondary education).

2. He puts me on ignore.
in one message, "In July, I had an argument with Mircea Popescu on IRC. I had pointed out that it was perceived to be immoral to host porn on the same site as he ran MPEX. He was extremely rude and put me on ignore."

3. August 5th. Mircea contacts EskimoBob and possibly others, requesting that people create sock puppet accounts to discredit me on the forums.

4. Accounts are created in the 2nd and 3rd week of august -- particularly Puppet and Deprived.

5. Attacks begin before they're even out of the newbies forum. They literally leave the newbies forum, and head straight to the Securities forum and start trolling in my threads.
"Approximately 2-3 weeks later in early August, a series of new accounts including but not limited to Puppet and Deprived began attacking me on the securities forum. During this time some others began to join the fray; most notably guruvan and most notably of all, EskimoBob. Actually EskimoBob would not be notable in this case except for three suprising facts which I will outline first."

6. After a couple weeks I corner EskimoBob on IRC and he agrees to a contract, which he breaks, netting him a scammer tag accusation (currently under review by Maged).

7. In response to this, he posts logs of a conversation he had with SOMEONE, but with my name in place of whomever it was.

8. TWO DAYS LATER....
MPOE-PR announces that people are being awarded 10,000 shares of MPOE.ETF. [link below] Among them are trolls who have been attacking me, however noticably absent are Puppet and EskimoBob as they had outstanding scammer threads which were under review.

If you look at reports from my actual customers such as PsychoticBoy (see post #2 below) you will see I did my job and there were no real complaints.

What is the minimum limit of my demonstrable financial loss?

1. EskimoBob intentionally broke a contract that he agreed to seven times on IRC. Although Maged said EskimoBob should not recieve a scammer tag for this, without exception everyone who was present in the IRC channel who chose to speak out about it on EskimoBob's accusation thread agreed that he broke his contract and should recieve a scammer tag.

Further to this, in the accusation EskimoBob viciously attacked me and attempted to obfuscate the situation by counter-accusing me of being a scammer and (!!!) Maged seemed to agree that I had made dishonest statements.

As a direct result of these trolls, I experienced a demonstratable financial loss; One, Ian Bakewell (and likely BitcoinMiningINV) canceled their contracts with CPA.

Secondly, I had lost business in an unrelated transaction on the services forum whereby I needed someone to buy something for me online, and they made reference to that thread and Maged's comments. I also likely (although unprovably) lost business which I would have otherwise gained had EskimoBob and Maged not allowed that thread to derail.


See the IAN BAKEWELL section below for where Ian admits that as a direct result of this thread and Maged's comments I was caused a direct financial loss.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1230191#msg1230191
"It is very clear that usagi has been posting misleading statements. It may not be enough for a scammer tag, but it's pretty damn close" Notably, Maged has NEVER, EVER, EVER responded to any call to state exactly what dishonest statements I have made.

it is WELL KNOWN that these people are trolls and liars:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112927.msg1260865#msg1260865 (among many other such posts)



POINT ONE: I have been damaged by EskimoBob's comments.
POINT TWO: There is absolutely no question that I have been damaged by other people's comments, such as puppet, deprived, and deeplink; these people have accused me of various things, none of which has ever been proven true. In short they lied. They had an intent to defame me, in order to defraud investors in CPA.

The oddest thing about all of this is that throughtout this entire event, MPOE-PR/Mircea Popescu and EskimoBob were both invested in my companies. Mircea in particular copied my business model (no, he did not invent the CDO, he copied what I did 6 weeks after he saw I was successful at it) and used my own CDO as a basis for his; he invested in at least 100 shares of NYAN.A.

examples where eb states he was holding my companies all along:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1343097#msg1343097
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126560.msg1343590#msg1343590

(mircea's use of nyan.a was published on his blog, I don't have a link handy sorry).


I will now outline (some of) the many damaging statements and lies the people named above have stated. This is VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION because it demonstrates that LIES have been told about me; I have therefore proven that ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE CLEARLY COMMITTED FRAUD.





MPOE-PR/Mircea Popescu / Hired people to troll for me.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1233350#msg1233350
Ironically GLBSE shut down, however at the time this was slander. This was posted in the thread against me because at the time MPOE-PR/Mircea was alledging I was an insider to GLBSE (see below).

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114442.msg1234725#msg1234725
"II.b. In spite of III.a. Nefario declared Usagi as the head of the ad-hoc commission that was to review GLBSE assets for inclusion in blue/white categories.
III.c. In spite of III.a. and contrary to his conduct in I.a. and II above, Nefario failed to lock the assets controlled by Usagi."
Lies that I was made the head of anything at all (was not, ever), and implicates me in Nefario's scam accusation for no reason.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1232128#msg1232128
"Deprived, by this point what would be the cost for you to prepare a complete report, 50 pages or whatever, detailing the thing end to end?"
Mircea/MPOE-PR confirms his intent and tendancy/habit to pay people to troll. (Deprived insinuates he will do it in the very next message, showing that it is likely that he was paid to troll me).

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112927.msg1222161#msg1222161
EskimoBob posts the doctored logs that likely took place with Mircea Popescu. If I hired people to troll others why was I the only one trolled, and the trollers paid by Mircea?

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1224802#msg1224802
"Usagi is the one at the head of the group."
I was never at the head of any such group and I am not a member of any such group.

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112694.msg1219012#msg1219012
MPOE-PR publicly announces payments made to trolls

6. Mircea Popescu slandered me on Bitcoin-OTC:
17405    mircea_popescu    95    Usagi    2012-11-15 19:09:14    -10    Ran a complex array of scams. One of the scammers covered by the GLBSE collapse.
Despite never having done a transaction with me, having zero evidence and so forth, he has posted this on OTC. This is an intent to decieve. There is malicious intent here on several fronts; at the least he would like to defraud me because I was a competitor to his own product and it excuses him when his CDO collapsed when GLBSE closed down. Here is my OTC rating. Note that pretty much everyone I have ever done business with has rated me positively: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Usagi&sign=ANY&type=RECV






ESKIMOBOB.
Warning. EskimoBob's "ART" security was delisted and he was banned from #assets-otc for life. EskimoBob is a known liar and scammer.
@EskimoBob you asset has just been desisted from #assets-otc and you will never be allowed to list any assets at this service.

I sent you the history of your asset by email - all 3 transactions and both the pgp keys.

Now go licking some more goats' balls.

0. EskimoBob slandered me on OTC: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Usagi&sign=ANY&type=RECV

1. EskimoBob said that I had been kicked off numerous internet forums. He has been asked several times to name even one, but he has ignored the question.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1242635#msg1242635
"Usagi keep lying to forum readers and publishing unreal NAV's."

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1242670#msg1242670
"Your lies about NYAN*, BMF etc NAV's and so on are all over this forum. "
What lies? I've been accused of lying, but no lie has been shown.

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1338370#msg1338370
"not a single bank trusts him with a CC? WTF!"
Baseless accusation, unsupported statement.

5. (ibid)
"...long history of trolling.   "
If you do not know what happened on rec.martial-arts, don't make a fool of yourself. Not a troll.
Oh, so you really want to drag up my past history? I was invited to the private neijia mailing list run by M.S. and I have had several discussions with M.S. I wrote the chi faq:http://renli.wordpress.com/chi-faq/ and this is why I was attacked so hard on R.M-A. Over the years the forum became populated by people who did MMA and visciously attacked anyone who did kung fu. Especially tai chi. Although not everyone was a bad apple usenet is full of professional trolls. i was called a troll merely because I did tai chi. That is the whole story. Want to talk about my outrageous claims? Such as like China would get an aircraft carrier in 2012? No one believed me. I live here. I know. But I was attacked for what I said. My entire history on r.m-a was basically trying to get people to realize tai chi was not about shooting chi balls out of your ass. Go read the Chi FAQ and decide for yourself if I believe I can shoot chi balls out my ass. I do not wish to discuss r.m-a and if you think it's an issue, go post about it on r.m-a. I did martial arts for over 20 years. I consider myself retired. If you are interested in martial arts you should probably respect my experience on the subject. I am not saying I cannot be wrong. I am saying martial arts has nothing to do with bitcoin and not everyone always agrees. The arguments stemmed from the fact everyone did different styles of martial arts and couldn't stop bickering and trolling about it. The end.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343640#msg1343640
No unresolved issues.

7. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1217702#msg1217702
"Yes, Usagi scammed me, when he told me lies to sell me some of the shares."
What lies? EB bought shares on GLBSE. I had nothing to do with it.

8. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1220627#msg1220627
"Is this farce any way to related to anything you can actually call a contract? No, it is not."
Yes, the entire thread was about how he broke a contract he agreed to seven times, and several people weighed in on that in my favor.

9. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1222078#msg1222078
"Other investors are pissed off too."
Who? All of the large investors like DeadTerra were not upset. I certainly wasn't upset, I owned a majority of my companies.

10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1224557#msg1224557
"He even used your name to squeeze me for coin yesterday"
...based on a judgement/suggestion by maged that everyone saw (and EB had replied to, showing that he had read it). This demonstrates a very clear-cut case of misrepresentation by EB.

11. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1338329#msg1338329
"wasted and swindled away thousands of investors BTC. "
blatant lie. I did not swindle 1 btc let alone 100 let alone 1000s.

12. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1276365#msg1276365
"your own stupid mistakes that cost over 7000 BTC to your investors"
"you are the scumbag who swindled hundreds if not thousands of coins of your investors money and wasted it of who knows what. Not me. "
malicious criminal libel/slander. Extremely irresponsible comments by eskimobob.

13. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1274090#msg1274090
again accuses me of destroying 7000 btc in investor capital.

14. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102010.msg1273250#msg1273250
"I am informing project supporters that those are NOT securities."
EB scams people by claiming his ART project securities are not securities.

15. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110350.msg1213854#msg1213854
"<EskimoBob> you do not run business. You run some "make believe" bull shit"
delusional

16. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg1209093#msg1209093
"Investors have forked over to you at least 14 226,2 BTC (if you sold shares only at 0.1 and have not bought back any at lover price). "
delusional









CUNICULA
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1338424#msg1338424
"We also need hero tags for the people who trolled this fuck."
Admitting that it was trolling / had no other purpose than to troll and try and destroy someone's business.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343148#msg1343148
"To libertarians and scammers, I am a troll. I wear the label proudly."
Admission he's a troll (i.e. liar).

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1338029#msg1338029
"Your sample textbook pages include too much English. I am a consumer of language texts. As a consumer, I reject offerings that are full of English language. "
This is in reference to the sample PDFs available at http://kongzi.ca/wtj -- anyone looking at the textbook samples can see that the pages contain mostly Japanese. He intentionally lied to make people think my books were bad, to discredit me, to defraud me from business people would have otherwise given me.
also:
"Your version:
"Strictly speaking, given the above breakdown, we're not dealing with a subject-verb-object sentence pattern, we're dealing with a subject-object-verb sentence pattern""
---> This sentence does not appear anywhere in my sample PDFs. Not sure where he got it from?

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1338361#msg1338361
"...usagi appears to have a long history in scamming."
No, just because I have been around for a while does not mean I have a long history in scamming. Where the heck did he get that from?

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1340438#msg1340438
"You must have pulled a lot of scams to have to change your identity so many times. Did any of your scams succeed?"
Been around for 20+ years. I don't use the same alias all the time. Doesn't mean a thing. No need to repeatedly claim I am a scammer because I use different handles on different forums.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1341108#msg1341108
"I assure you. Usagi has S, C, A, and M level JLPT credentials. "
No, I have real provable experience in asian languages and I have published a great deal of my work. I also have been living here in Asia for around 7 years.


DEPRIVED.
Necro account (!!!): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110350.msg1223457#msg1223457

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1229467#msg1229467
"A brief time-line for BMF - an investment company (mis)managed by usagi.  This is relevant to set the scene. ... Obviously usagi then went and did precisely what it had said it wouldn't do"
This is a lie. It was not obvious; Deprived has no reasonable grounds to make that statement and then accuse me of having a nefarious intent.

2. (ibid)
"Oh really?  Where?  This is a blatant lie.  There is no publicity and no motion prior to the post announcing it as a done deal."
The contract was: announced in the securities forum, was published on the company website, and was mentioned in a shareholder letter. It was also discussed on the CPA round table to which DeadTerra, Patrick Harnett, mollison and several others had access. Everyone knew about it. What Deprived said was a lie designed to defame me.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1229843#msg1229843
"As neither BMF or CPA accounts for actual transactions (just a fairy-tale valuation) there's no way to know."
I have said many times I will provide details of transactions if there is any problem. It's called a CSV file.

4. (ibid).
"usagi has consistently refused to answer questions about what the insurance policy covered and why there was no claim on it"
I think everyone knows how vocal I was answering all of the complaints against me.

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1230354#msg1230354
"2.  "All of my shareholders are happy." is not supported by the facts."
It was supported by several shareholder motions and discussions which I had with shareholders in PM.

6. (ibid).
"The vote wasn't even announced in the main BMF thread"
The vote was announced in a BMF thread. What he said was intentionally misleading.

7. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1231611#msg1231611
"Amusing how usagi totally refuses to discuss the BMF insurance issue."
and
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1236530#msg1236530
"when I asked in the BMF thread ages ago (and also in the CPA one) why BMF wasn't claiming on its insurance policy (and what that policy covered if it wasn't loss of NAV) you refused to answer it."
(see above)

8. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1231972#msg1231972
"Nyan cooking the books to cover up an interest-free loan to CPA" - as it hasn't been discussed anywhere (except briefly by me) and just about all the facts in it are already accepted by usagi."
No proof and again, I countered every one of his claims many times.

9. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1346298#msg1346298
"This is also when usagi started defrauding nyan investors (which I never got around to posting about) by making interest free loans to CPA (dressed up as holding YARR shares for the books)."
No interest-free loans were ever made to CPA.

10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1271394#msg1271394
"You've said a few times in this thread that EVERYTHING you had was invested on GLBSE - yet that isn't actually true is it?"
During the times BMF had hardware on order I had never failed to mention that. A shareholder motion was created over the issue of buying hardware. I made a very public series of posts about it. I never once tried to hide the fact we had a small amount of hardware. I mentioned it several times in PM to various creditors.





PUPPET.
0. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97178.msg1217730#msg1217730
"I have no proof it is a scam,"
Puppet admits he has no proof.
also see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1233234#msg1233234
"While no proof or even evidence of scamming," -- puppet is just obfuscating and trolling.

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1229789#msg1229789
"You base your NAV claims on the (un)"real" column and there it still shows your BFL gear at prices way above listprice. ... You are still valuing your ABM shares as if their non upgradable BFL single would somehow be worth 375 BTC."
The "real" colum was discussed many times to represent book value. I added a second colum which pulled share prices off the GLBSE. Puppet failed to acknowledge this, and the numerous disclaimers in the spreadsheet (including showing the formulas used). Secondly, ABM was WORTH that much (0.4/share, IIRC), which shows Puppet was flip flopping in his accusations, as the substance of his complaint was that I was overvaluing shares compared to their GLBSE price.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1264305#msg1264305
"Usagi just deleted all his posts and his website."
No, I left numerous posts including information about CPA's liquidity loan as a sign that I was not leaving and did not intend to defraud or default on anyone.






GURUVAN
0. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117310.msg1258824#msg1258824
Guruvan admits he did not and never did have any evidence.


1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1234299#msg1234299
"The more evidence I see, the more convinced I am that usagi is not incompetent but is acting with the criminal intent to steal funds from investors

When I first met usagi, I thought it was an idiot. When it made CPA, I was pretty sure it was a crook. Now that we're starting to look more deeply into the books, I'm quite certain that usagi is a crook.

1. Manipulating held asset value
2. Mind-bogglingly stupid investment decisions that are likely obfuscated attempts to inject funds into the multi-headed ponzi scheme being run
3. Hiding losses through manipulated asset value
4. Double dealing (the BMF-CPA contract is probably criminal in most jurisdictions)
5. Attempts to silence critics - the volume and hysteria has grown the closer to the truth people investigating usagi have gotten.
6. misrepresenting physical asset value
7. apparently representing expenses as assets
8. Has silently defaulted on contracts between its own companies. Apparently failed to notify shareholders of both companies the default.
9. Apparently manipulating shareholder motion votes
10. Manipulation of share prices
"


A large collection of lies by Guruvan. None of what he has said has ever been proven. He has stated that I have done this but provided no proof. All of these points have been discussed to death and I am guilty of none of them. Silently defaulting for example -- Umm, no, read the contract. Has been discussed numerous times.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1342016#msg1342016
"I'm sure the deletion of posts is in response to the likely investigation by major governments' securities regulating agencies (SEC/FSA) - wouldn't want to leave any evidence lying around"
I am not under investigation by the government. it is a criminal offense to state that someone is under investigation for a crime when they are not. Guruvan has committed fraud and should be labled as a scammer.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112927.msg1222081#msg1222081
"Pointing out that you've grossly misrepresented your finances would be, except it's true, and he's pointing out either mismanagement or criminal intent. I completely agree with puppet, and have been hinting at this for some months now (as in, since you showed up and got registered on gribble, after my repeated insistence) I didn't think you were a wise investor then, and I have not changed my opinion. "
Once again repeating that I am a criminal/etc.

4. (ibid)
"In short, I think you are a significant danger to investors and I will voice that opinion until you get a court injunction against me. (I suppose you could get a mod to silence me on the forum, but not on IRC) You have several people saying the same things and no one defending your position usagi.  Your accounting doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and it looks like the house of cards is about to collapse. "

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1219640#msg1219640
"reputation" reputation as con-artist and shell game operator?"
The question is rhetorical, so he is stating outright I am a con artist.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1220234#msg1220234
Posting doctored IRC logs that likely/obviously were from Mircea. I was the only one trolled, and they were the only ones paid. See links in the MPOE section.








DEEPLINK.
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343400#msg1343400
"3) You have deliberately deleted most of your posts to remove evidence."
No, that is not why I deleted some of my posts.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343504#msg1343504
"You have swindled people with fraudulant business schemes."
He has been pressed repeatedly to qualify this and has ignored the question each time. This is a very clear cut case of malicious criminal libel, and fraud.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343554#msg1343554
"Many have pointed out in the last monts before GLBSE closed how usagi was swindling his customers. In the above posts you find a quote stating that Maged agrees with this."
No, Maged did not agree and no one had provided any actual evidence (least of all DEEPLINK.)

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343619#msg1343619
"usagi has been misleading his customers in the past in various fraudulent business schemes"
More unsupported statements.

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1338775#msg1338775
Vicious, evil, unsupported demands.




IAN BAKEWELL
1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1235273#msg1235273
The case against Ian is long. Ian lied to me about his financial position in BAKEWELL and asked me to reduce his payment. A few days later he said he had to break the contract.

He then tried to drag my name thru the mud. Read the above link. it's quite clear I stuck to my contract and he was a total asshole to me. here are some of the lies he told about me:
"Wants the shareholders to be paid in an attempt to claw back, as they hold some BAKEWELL shares that would get the divvy."
Irelevant. The contract clearly stated the money would be returned to shareholders. Read the thread, people were agreeing with me.
2. (ibid)
"I do want the money back, my shareholders do agree, please pay:  1Q1k2uTUZ1ZSSufH2w9xnCnPPzC1QmreEa"
No motion was done at this time. He lied.

3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343386#msg1343386
"Long live those trolls."
Announces his recognition and support that this is just trolling against me.

4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1343639#msg1343639
No unresolved issues.

5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112443.msg1226222#msg1226222
"I make all my financials available in the third post of my thread & I try to stay as current as possible."
Ian did not disclose for several weeks that he could not get his 7990's to work, thereby defrauding investors in his company who were lied to in order that Ian could get more BTC from sale of shares.

6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1231746#msg1231746
In this post Ian presents himself as a scammer. Read the post.
A rough summary is as follows:

a. Ian says:
"In the time between founding BAKEWELL and creating the shareholder insurance fund with you, and now, the plan for BAKEWELL has dramatically changed.
BAKEWELL is a much smaller company than I initially thought I would launch with. We will continue to grow, but on a slow roll out basis.
At this time, the dividends from BAKEWELL will not cover the funds fee. As such I am not able to continue with it at this time.
I will be utilizing the small dividend I receive to aggressively grow BAKEWELL until the first half of the ipo is sold out.
I apologize for any inconvenience this causes you.

The fund currently has 4 BTC in it.
I would like to work out a refund of this from you, less a small management fee.
I would then like to restart this with a larger initial contribution and a payment plan based on dividend income once half of my ipo is cleared out."


b. I immediately respond:
"Working out a refund is not possible because this is an agreement designed to protect your shareholders in case of a default on your end."

c. Ian responds he is aware he CAN NOT cancel the contract in this way:
"I am aware of the contract clauses, particularly A4 and section D."\

d. He gets caught in the lie here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1232050#msg1232050

e. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1236142#msg1236142
In this post Ian threatens to drag my name in the mud if I do not accquiesce to his demands of a refund (in violation of the contract he signed, and despite point c. where he states he is aware he may not cancel the contract).

f. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104489.msg1236180#msg1236180
In this post Ian once again states that the "single largest factor" in losing his business was the troll threads. This is in sharp contrast to his statement in a).

In short, Ian committed fraud; he defrauded CPA, he lied in order to cancel his contract in full knowledge he could not do this and he attempted to slander me on the forums in order to get out of his contract. This is a clear case of fraud.

Quoting just in case it mysteriously vanishes.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
Quoting just in case it mysteriously vanishes.

That is annoying and stupid.

Look, you have been caught in several lies about me.  Now you're upset I've collected (some of) them in one place, so you say you want to "take the gloves off"? WTF? Look you have been lying about me, I have a right to be upset at you. All I did was provide links to your actual quotes and summarize my responses to them. What is your problem? Stop being such a liar and jerk.

One of many:

10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1271394#msg1271394
"You've said a few times in this thread that EVERYTHING you had was invested on GLBSE - yet that isn't actually true is it?"

During the times BMF had hardware on order I had never failed to mention that. A shareholder motion was created over the issue of buying hardware. I made a very public series of posts about it. I never once tried to hide the fact we had a small amount of hardware. I mentioned it several times in PM to various creditors.

Will you please stop lying about me? Just GO AWAY.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: greyhawk on November 21, 2012, 03:54:41 PM
I want to be left alone.

There's a very easy way to accomplish this.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 03:59:23 PM
I want to be left alone.

There's a very easy way to accomplish this.

I know you don't really like me, but you don't go around saying I have stolen 7000 BTC (etc). Do you see why I am upset at some of the trolls here? I am sorry if you don't like me. But I don't want people to lie about me.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 04:05:17 PM
We have an example of a high volume posting troll being banned in Rarity ... I wonder if Usagi is nearing that territory.

It is easily observable that Usagi is not attempting to contribute in the community and visits the forum strictly to stir up shit. Similar to Rarity.
The tipping point I believe with Rarity was bringing false scammer claim up against Dank. Similarly Usagi is making baseless and malicious accusations here.

It is ironic that it is actually you who are spamming the forums: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1349642#msg1349642
you posted this twice.

I am here to offer loans for kongzi.ca. I am here to sell my guitar and amp and repay CPA loan holders. I am here to deal with the GLBSE fiasco and return investors assets to them. I am here to buy and sell things and conduct business on the goods and services forum. Such as looking for a manga artist for my book. I am not here to stir up shit by defending myself against your shit stirring.

Who the fuck are you Ian? You're someone who lied and defrauded me. Go away. Stop following me around like a sick puppy. If you don't want to apologize for lying about me and saying I was trying to clawback funds fine, but just stop lying about me.

One of many:

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=113708.msg1235273#msg1235273
"Wants the shareholders to be paid in an attempt to claw back, as they hold some BAKEWELL shares that would get the divvy."
The contract clearly stated the money would be returned to shareholders. Read the thread, people were agreeing with me. In fact in the post you yourself quote the very first response I give you is that a refund to you is not possible because the contract will protect the shareholders. I stuck to the contract. That was not an attempt to claw back funds. You lied about me.

All I want.. do you hear me.. is for you to stop lying about me. Just go away. We have no business or other relationship. Why do you keep bothering me? I returned the money to your shareholders as per our contract. Whats your problem?

If you are so intent that I held 423 shares of BAKEWELL, why don't you refund those bitcoins to me right now?
Are you going to suddenly claim I do not hold 423 shares of BAKEWELL?


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Deprived on November 21, 2012, 04:12:58 PM
Quoting just in case it mysteriously vanishes.

That is annoying and stupid.

Look, you have been caught in several lies about me.  Now you're upset I've collected (some of) them in one place, so you say you want to "take the gloves off"? WTF? Look you have been lying about me, I have a right to be upset at you. All I did was provide links to your actual quotes and summarize my responses to them. What is your problem? Stop being such a liar and jerk.

One of many:

10. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114820.msg1271394#msg1271394
"You've said a few times in this thread that EVERYTHING you had was invested on GLBSE - yet that isn't actually true is it?"

During the times BMF had hardware on order I had never failed to mention that. A shareholder motion was created over the issue of buying hardware. I made a very public series of posts about it. I never once tried to hide the fact we had a small amount of hardware. I mentioned it several times in PM to various creditors.

Will you please stop lying about me? Just GO AWAY.

Well let's address this one out of sequence as you seem to think it has some special merit.  Pretty sure you're just misunderstanding what I was saying.

In the thread where I made that post you had repeatedly said that ALL the assets of your companies were tied up on GLBSE.

I was point out that THAT claim (that ALL your assets was on GLBSE) was a lie - as you had (or claimed to have) mining rigs or orders for the same.  At no stage did I claim you'd never claimed to have mining gear - that would be pretty dumb of me as my evidence that you DID have them was from your own posts and spreadsheets.  Again - my statement referred ONLY to what you'd said in that thread.

So: let's try to identify what specifically you believe I was wrong about.

1.  DO you agree that in that thread you said ALL the assets of your company were on GLBSE?
2.  Were your mining rigs (or orders for them) on GLBSE?
3.  Were the mining rigs (or orders for them) assets?
4.  Was your claim (in that thread) that all assets were on GLBSE therefore untrue?
5.  Is it fair for me to reasonably assume that you might KNOW you had the mining rigs (or orders for them)?
6   If you know something but make a statement to the contrary is it fair for an observer to conclude you're doing so intentionally - i.e. lieing?
7.  Remind me where there's any merit in your claim that it was ME lieing?


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Deprived on November 21, 2012, 04:14:25 PM
And how can I just "go away" when you've made some very serious (lol) accusations against me and I now have to defend myself?


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
So: let's try to identify what specifically you believe I was wrong about.

1.  DO you agree that in that thread you said ALL the assets of your company were on GLBSE?
2.  Were your mining rigs (or orders for them) on GLBSE?
3.  Were the mining rigs (or orders for them) assets?
4.  Was your claim (in that thread) that all assets were on GLBSE therefore untrue?
5.  Is it fair for me to reasonably assume that you might KNOW you had the mining rigs (or orders for them)?
6   If you know something but make a statement to the contrary is it fair for an observer to conclude you're doing so intentionally - i.e. lieing?
7.  Remind me where there's any merit in your claim that it was ME lieing?

Look if I said that it means either the FPGA singles we now have on order either weren't ordered yet or hadn't arrived. To date only ONE fpga single has arrived. The TRUTH is that it is something like 50 bitcoins out of over 1000. It's essentially nothing. Sure, I would sell it to pay people back. That's my obligation. I would and likely will do it soon depending on what Nefario is supposed to be sending me.

But I did not ever ever intend to deceive anyone at any point in time. I have made that blatantly clear. Again:

hardware purchases were announced in the bmf thread.
a shareholder motion was successful about buying hardware.
hardware was listed on the spreadsheet.
hardware updates were posted in the thread re: orders and arrival dates
I confirmed in private to loan-holders hardware had arrived. one offered to exchange the single for the debt. I turned him down until I get the info from nefario.
I have been repeating this a few times now.

Do you see how utterly wrong it is to state or even insinuate I was lying or intending to deceive anyone? Please.. just go away.

If you weren't lying, just go away. if you were lying.. just go away. I doubt that you and others will never get a scammer tag even if you don't apologize.

All I want is to be left alone.

I was very very sick from oct 15th till last week. I had two back to back kidney stones, a deep burn on my leg that took over a week to heal and some kind of tropical stomach flu that blew me out completely. I just want to be left alone.

ok?

I'm not running any kind of business or taking investors money. You can leave me alone now.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: cunicula on November 21, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
So: let's try to identify what specifically you believe I was wrong about.

1.  DO you agree that in that thread you said ALL the assets of your company were on GLBSE?
2.  Were your mining rigs (or orders for them) on GLBSE?
3.  Were the mining rigs (or orders for them) assets?
4.  Was your claim (in that thread) that all assets were on GLBSE therefore untrue?
5.  Is it fair for me to reasonably assume that you might KNOW you had the mining rigs (or orders for them)?
6   If you know something but make a statement to the contrary is it fair for an observer to conclude you're doing so intentionally - i.e. lieing?
7.  Remind me where there's any merit in your claim that it was ME lieing?

Look if I said that it means either the FPGA singles we now have on order either weren't ordered yet or hadn't arrived. To date only ONE fpga single has arrived. The TRUTH is that it is something like 50 bitcoins out of over 1000. It's essentially nothing. Sure, I would sell it to pay people back. That's my obligation. I would and likely will do it soon depending on what Nefario is supposed to be sending me.

But I did not ever ever intend to deceive anyone at any point in time. I have made that blatantly clear. Again:

hardware purchases were announced in the bmf thread.
a shareholder motion was successful about buying hardware.
hardware was listed on the spreadsheet.
hardware updates were posted in the thread re: orders and arrival dates
I confirmed in private to loan-holders hardware had arrived. one offered to exchange the single for the debt. I turned him down until I get the info from nefario.
I have been repeating this a few times now.

Do you see how utterly wrong it is to state or even insinuate I was lying or intending to deceive anyone? Please.. just go away.

If you weren't lying, just go away. if you were lying.. just go away. I doubt that you and others will never get a scammer tag even if you don't apologize.

All I want is to be left alone.

I was very very sick from oct 15th till last week. I had two back to back kidney stones, a deep burn on my leg that took over a week to heal and some kind of tropical stomach flu that blew me out completely. I just want to be left alone.

ok?

I'm not running any kind of business or taking investors money. You can leave me alone now.

usagi. I suggest you take a new identity again. This one is all used up. You could use latin for rabbit instead, but that's taken. Perhaps the Chinese, 'tuzi'?


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 04:23:56 PM
And how can I just "go away" when you've made some very serious (lol) accusations against me and I now have to defend myself?

If you say you are sorry, or that you will leave me alone, and do so, then I will retract everything I have said about you. Do you get it? I don't want to be here posting this shit. But for four fucking months none of you would leave me alone. You left a very large trail of lies. What you see in the OP was just from what was posted in the scam accusations forum.

I still haven't gone through the very large amount of posts on the securities forum to collect the misleading statements people have made about me there.

I do not wish to do so. I never want to have to defend myself here against accusations of fraud again. I just want to work on my japanese and publish a book and do some good in this world.

Isn't it obvoius? I am taking care of my business, selling a $1000 guitar and $1000 amp and buying bitcoins to pay people back. When GLBSE folded I took a fucking 1 month advance from work to buy 100 bitcoins to support the CPA loan holders. I am not a scammer. I am trying to do the right thing. I just cannot deal with the trolls anymore. I am actually very sick. I need to be left alone from this shit. 4+ months dude. Leave me alone.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 04:26:26 PM
usagi. I suggest you take a new identity again. This one is all used up.

I have been using usagi for more than 12 years across several different forums including go, martial arts, programming and bitcoin. I have no intention of hiding or deceiving anyone, no idea where you got that idea, and no interest in bickering with you over it.

I am actually a very nice guy. On KGS I started the Advanced Study Room League. I wrote several free go books and gave around 2,000 free teaching games to people there because I want to help people. I was granted a teacher account because I volunteered to comment a tournament game for the korean insei league. You might not understand this but I have reached 4d solid twice over the years when I have devoted myself to studying. I am currently trying to make money so I don't study go. I only state all this because it is relevant to my charater. I am a nice guy. You should leave me alone.

Just because I don't talk about myself and brag about the things I have done doesn't mean I am lying or scamming people. EB is right about one thing, I am close to 40 and I have been around. I have a lot of experience just because I am a little older. If you investigate me you will discover more and more of the things I have done. Did you know I wrote a highschool textbook? But it does not mean I am a scammer because I have never told anyone.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: cunicula on November 21, 2012, 04:27:24 PM
And how can I just "go away" when you've made some very serious (lol) accusations against me and I now have to defend myself?

If you say you are sorry, or that you will leave me alone, and do so, then I will retract everything I have said about you. Do you get it? I don't want to be here posting this shit. But for four fucking months none of you would leave me alone. You left a very large trail of lies. What you see in the OP was just from what was posted in the scam accusations forum.

I still haven't gone through the very large amount of posts on the securities forum to collect the misleading statements people have made about me there.

I do not wish to do so. I never want to have to defend myself here against accusations of fraud again. I just want to work on my japanese and publish a book and do some good in this world.

Isn't it obvoius? I am taking care of my business, selling a $1000 guitar and $1000 amp and buying bitcoins to pay people back. When GLBSE folded I took a fucking 1 month advance from work to buy 100 bitcoins to support the CPA loan holders. I am not a scammer. I am trying to do the right thing. I just cannot deal with the trolls anymore. I am actually very sick. I need to be left alone from this shit. 4+ months dude. Leave me alone.

Usagi, if you are not really a scammer, then why don't you take my advice? Quietly pay everyone off, get a new identity, and leave this behind you.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 04:33:53 PM
Usagi, if you are not really a scammer, then why don't you take my advice? Quietly pay everyone off, get a new identity, and leave this behind you.

because people like badbear would know who I am, and would probably try to dox me. I *AM* paying everyone off. That was NEVER a question. I'm even trying my best to start a new business (kongzi.ca) in the hopes of diverting some of the profits to people who deserve to be paid back. I am selling my guitar and amp total price over $2,000 to make sure everyone is covered. Go read post #2. People have congratulated me for doing the right thing and being among the first asset issuers to institute a claims process. Where do you get off accusing me of being a scammer? Do you realize I lost almost $10,000 of personal money invested into my own companies?

You weight my heart with a heavy stone.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: cunicula on November 21, 2012, 04:39:20 PM
Usagi, if you are not really a scammer, then why don't you take my advice? Quietly pay everyone off, get a new identity, and leave this behind you.

because people like badbear would know who I am, and would probably try to dox me. I *AM* paying everyone off. That was NEVER a question. I'm even trying my best to start a new business (kongzi.ca) in the hopes of diverting some of the profits to people who deserve to be paid back. I am selling my guitar and amp total price over $2,000 to make sure everyone is covered. Go read post #2. People have congratulated me for doing the right thing and being among the first asset issuers to institute a claims process. Where do you get off accusing me of being a scammer? Do you realize I lost almost $10,000 of personal money invested into my own companies?

You weight my heart with a heavy stone.

I think I was the first or second person to reply to your CPA company proposal. I told you not to do it because it was not a sound business model (except for scamming purposes). I warned you that if GBLSE tanked that the whole thing would go down simultaneously.

You called me an idiot and claimed to know more than me.

You made your bed. Now lie in it.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Deprived on November 21, 2012, 04:43:18 PM
And how can I just "go away" when you've made some very serious (lol) accusations against me and I now have to defend myself?

If you say you are sorry, or that you will leave me alone, and do so, then I will retract everything I have said about you. Do you get it? I don't want to be here posting this shit. But for four fucking months none of you would leave me alone. You left a very large trail of lies. What you see in the OP was just from what was posted in the scam accusations forum.

I still haven't gone through the very large amount of posts on the securities forum to collect the misleading statements people have made about me there.

I do not wish to do so. I never want to have to defend myself here against accusations of fraud again. I just want to work on my japanese and publish a book and do some good in this world.

Isn't it obvoius? I am taking care of my business, selling a $1000 guitar and $1000 amp and buying bitcoins to pay people back. When GLBSE folded I took a fucking 1 month advance from work to buy 100 bitcoins to support the CPA loan holders. I am not a scammer. I am trying to do the right thing. I just cannot deal with the trolls anymore. I am actually very sick. I need to be left alone from this shit. 4+ months dude. Leave me alone.

If you retract what you said about me - does that mean you agree I was correct?

Are you in fact admitting that you made this thread just to try to get me to "leave you alone"?

Should I now be making a new thread asking for a "Blackmailer/Extortionist" tag for you?

Are you actually delusional enough to believe making this thread would in any way reduce the volume of my posts about you?

If you'd made your post about your Japanese software/book in the correct forum likely there'd have been no revival in posts about you,  But no - you make a thread in which you explicitly state you arent offering a security - and go post it in the securities forum, wjere you KNOW there's lots of people with a low opinion of you.  A forum where the past record of people is very important - and one where you'd painstakingly deleted nearly all your old posts.  And you're surprised it got commented on?

Post in the right forum next time maybe?


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Raoul Duke on November 21, 2012, 04:44:11 PM
This is pathetic usagi.

I want to be left alone.
...

Leave me alone.

You're doing it wrong, Princess, if your goal is to be left alone...


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 04:45:47 PM
This is pathetic usagi.

I want to be left alone.
...

Leave me alone.

You're doing it wrong, Princess, if your goal is to be left alone...

People here have demonstrated they will not leave me alone even if I just ignore them, "do the right thing"/pay people back, etc.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: cunicula on November 21, 2012, 04:46:41 PM
I think he is a sadomasochist. If we want him to go away we should not feed his desire.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 04:52:53 PM
Usagi, if you are not really a scammer, then why don't you take my advice? Quietly pay everyone off, get a new identity, and leave this behind you.

because people like badbear would know who I am, and would probably try to dox me. I *AM* paying everyone off. That was NEVER a question. I'm even trying my best to start a new business (kongzi.ca) in the hopes of diverting some of the profits to people who deserve to be paid back. I am selling my guitar and amp total price over $2,000 to make sure everyone is covered. Go read post #2. People have congratulated me for doing the right thing and being among the first asset issuers to institute a claims process. Where do you get off accusing me of being a scammer? Do you realize I lost almost $10,000 of personal money invested into my own companies?

You weight my heart with a heavy stone.

I think I was the first or second person to reply to your CPA company proposal. I told you not to do it because it was not a sound business model (except for scamming purposes). I warned you that if GBLSE tanked that the whole thing would go down simultaneously.

You called me an idiot and claimed to know more than me.

You made your bed. Now lie in it.


You are referring to this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85444.msg944803#msg944803
Yes, you did in fact immediately call it a scam. That was ridiculous. You assumed I was scamming for no reason. Nice catch.
Also here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85444.msg946175#msg946175

HOWEVER, you lied (again!!) when you said I called you an idiot. Yes I deleted my responses but you forget that people quoted me and responded to me. In the same thread:

1.
Usagi's responses to valid questions and criticism has been incredibly articulate and thoughtful, and that certainly helps to inspire confidence.

2.
I have been talking with usagi about investing in CPA, he seems to know what he's talking about and I am going to personally make sure things are run correctly. I have been helping and supporting CPA as I think it's something the community needs and it could potentially be very successful.
//DeaDTerra

3.
Recieved 1st Div's and very happy :)

+1
Very good dividend, I'm glad I invested here.

etc.
please, go back and read the start of that thread. A LOT of people were VERY interested and supportive of me. I had a LOT of positive comments. Yes you did say I was a scammer right at the very beginning before I even IPO'd. But that does not make it true.

I am sorry if I called you an idiot but I somehow suspect I did not really do that. if so, I am sorry. Does that really justify what you have said about me for the last 4-5 months? Can you please stop now?


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: cunicula on November 21, 2012, 04:58:33 PM
Usagi, your business model implied that you were either a) an idiot, or b) a scammer.

I was not entirely sure that you were a scammer at first, but I wanted to warn naive investors about you.

Later you set up a pyramidal shareholding arrangement which allowed you to shift losses across the companies you controlled.

This is a classic move for defrauding shareholders. I just taught my undergrads about it a couple weeks ago. This cleared things up for me. An idiot would not implement such a scheme.
With idiot ruled out, I concluded that you were a scammer.

Again, I pointed out the dangers of your pyramidal arrangement to warn naive investors.

I am sure people were supportive of you. You should learn to filter out statements made by unintelligent or inexperienced people and focus on statements made by intelligent and experienced people.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 05:02:43 PM
If you retract what you said about me - does that mean you agree I was correct?

Are you in fact admitting that you made this thread just to try to get me to "leave you alone"?

If someone is attacking me I will do what I feel is required to defend myself.
You are attacking me. You have demonstrated you will not leave me alone if I ignore you.
What else do you suggest I do?

Should I now be making a new thread asking for a "Blackmailer/Extortionist" tag for you?

That is what puppet, eskimobob and others did. I did not get a scammer tag. If you feel you need to make yet another baseless accusation about me, keep in mind that is my entire complaint against you: stop making baseless accusations against me.

Are you actually delusional enough to believe making this thread would in any way reduce the volume of my posts about you?

I have demonstrated you have lied about me. As far as I am concerned I have accomplished the bulk of my objective in dealing with you. If you really intent to continue repeating the same posts over and over there isn't anything I can do to stop you. But collecting all of my responses in one place was psychologically very important to me. I needed to respond to you (and others) in one place because I no longer have the time or energy to do it all over the forum.  Ireally don't want to pull the sick card but I need to explain why I did certain things.. I was not healthy. It's not something you can understand.

I was watching the trump show.. the apprentice.. and one of the contestants got kicked off for having a kidney stone one night. Trump belittled him and mocked him and minimized what happened to that man. I had 2 back to back large kidney stones that each took about 2 weeks to pass. You have no fucking idea what happened to me. I have no energy anymore. It is 2am in Japan now and this is killing me even to respond to you and post this just in the hopes that badbear doesn't freak out and give me a scammer tag because of what people are saying about me.

If I get a scammer tag I probably won't be able to sell my guitar and amp here. I won't be able to flog my book or website and as a result I won't be able to pay CPA loanholders and other people back. That is my immediate concern and why I am working hard on my defense.

Actually once everyone is finally paid back and this shit with GLBSE and Nefario is finally over if you want to give me a scammer tag you can do so and I swear to god I will leave this place and never return. But until then you and others need to go away with the lies and accusations.

If you'd made your post about your Japanese software/book in the correct forum likely there'd have been no revival in posts about you,  But no - you make a thread in which you explicitly state you arent offering a security - and go post it in the securities forum, wjere you KNOW there's lots of people with a low opinion of you.  A forum where the past record of people is very important - and one where you'd painstakingly deleted nearly all your old posts.  And you're surprised it got commented on?

Post in the right forum next time maybe?

Fine. Whatever you want.... seriously....


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Deprived on November 21, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
So: let's try to identify what specifically you believe I was wrong about.

1.  DO you agree that in that thread you said ALL the assets of your company were on GLBSE?
2.  Were your mining rigs (or orders for them) on GLBSE?
3.  Were the mining rigs (or orders for them) assets?
4.  Was your claim (in that thread) that all assets were on GLBSE therefore untrue?
5.  Is it fair for me to reasonably assume that you might KNOW you had the mining rigs (or orders for them)?
6   If you know something but make a statement to the contrary is it fair for an observer to conclude you're doing so intentionally - i.e. lieing?
7.  Remind me where there's any merit in your claim that it was ME lieing?

Look if I said that it means either the FPGA singles we now have on order either weren't ordered yet or hadn't arrived. To date only ONE fpga single has arrived. The TRUTH is that it is something like 50 bitcoins out of over 1000. It's essentially nothing. Sure, I would sell it to pay people back. That's my obligation. I would and likely will do it soon depending on what Nefario is supposed to be sending me.

But I did not ever ever intend to deceive anyone at any point in time. I have made that blatantly clear. Again:

hardware purchases were announced in the bmf thread.
a shareholder motion was successful about buying hardware.
hardware was listed on the spreadsheet.
hardware updates were posted in the thread re: orders and arrival dates
I confirmed in private to loan-holders hardware had arrived. one offered to exchange the single for the debt. I turned him down until I get the info from nefario.
I have been repeating this a few times now.

Do you see how utterly wrong it is to state or even insinuate I was lying or intending to deceive anyone? Please.. just go away.

If you weren't lying, just go away. if you were lying.. just go away. I doubt that you and others will never get a scammer tag even if you don't apologize.

All I want is to be left alone.

I was very very sick from oct 15th till last week. I had two back to back kidney stones, a deep burn on my leg that took over a week to heal and some kind of tropical stomach flu that blew me out completely. I just want to be left alone.

ok?

I'm not running any kind of business or taking investors money. You can leave me alone now.

I feel like we're making some progress here - I can sense that we're not too far off an admission that this specific complaint against me was totally unwarranted.

It's also apparent to me that you've missed a key element of the reason I said what I did (not your fault - as I wasn't clear about it).

When I referred to you claiming ALL your assets were on GLBSE I was referring to claims made by you AFTER GLBSE had closed - not to some typo made ages ago.  Specifically, to you saying that there was nothing to return to investors as all your assets were on GLBSE.  I then pointed out that wasnt true - as BMF investors at least had the mining gear.

Now I'll willingly concded that they represent a fairly small part of the overall assets you managed.  It was never my contention that it was a BIG lie - just that it was a lie (and the set we could name "Lies" contains both the subset "Big Lies" and the subset "Small Lies").

What confuses me a bit is this:  You've specifically accused me of lieing there but now satrt saying things like "If I said that....".  Don't you think that MAYBE you should have checked whether you said it before making this post?  In the FIRST point we've discussed - which YOU chose somehow being the one to focus - you're already admitting that you didn't check the facts and might be wrong.  That doesn't bode well for how the remaining 9 are going to go for you.  But let's finish this one up before moving on to them.

Hopefully, now you realise/remember the context in which I made my statement we can skup some of the dross.  I'm not claiming that you didn't have mining gear - quite the opposite.  I'm not claiming that you've denied having it ine the past - quite the contrary.  I AM claiming that after GLBSE closed you made a statement that ALL your (companies') assets were on GLBSE. I AM claiming that was factually inaccurate (Again - you're an English teacher - you DO realise "All" has a different meaning to "Most" and to "Nearly all", right?

Let's assume we agree that claim was a) Made and b) Inaccurate.  a) can easly be proven and b) I don't think there's any dispute on.

Isn't that pretty much case closed for what you said being untrue?

Again - as you're an English teacher - I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you realise the difference between "untrue" (which I claimed) and "a lie" which I didn't.  If you want to want to claim that I was somehow inferring that you were lieing (a claim you haven't so far made) then please let me know - and I'll happily explain to you WHY that argument is wrong and, even better, why I COULD have claimed you were lieing and totally justify that claim (I didn't claim that - but hey, not only am I prepared to demonstrate that what I DID say was correct but to go that extra step and prove that I could have said something stronger and had logic on my side).

If you still can't admit you're just totally and utterly wrong in claiming I was even inaccurate - let alone lieing - in this particular point (NOT the other ones - we'll do them later) then I guess we'll just have to go back to basics and see if we can break this down into a serious of small true/false statements until we find out precisely where the difference of opinion is.

Unless you have some better suggestion of how to arrive at agreement on you being wrong here.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 05:15:41 PM
So: let's try to identify what specifically you believe I was wrong about.

1.  DO you agree that in that thread you said ALL the assets of your company were on GLBSE?
2.  Were your mining rigs (or orders for them) on GLBSE?
3.  Were the mining rigs (or orders for them) assets?
4.  Was your claim (in that thread) that all assets were on GLBSE therefore untrue?
5.  Is it fair for me to reasonably assume that you might KNOW you had the mining rigs (or orders for them)?
6   If you know something but make a statement to the contrary is it fair for an observer to conclude you're doing so intentionally - i.e. lieing?
7.  Remind me where there's any merit in your claim that it was ME lieing?

Look if I said that it means either the FPGA singles we now have on order either weren't ordered yet or hadn't arrived. To date only ONE fpga single has arrived. The TRUTH is that it is something like 50 bitcoins out of over 1000. It's essentially nothing. Sure, I would sell it to pay people back. That's my obligation. I would and likely will do it soon depending on what Nefario is supposed to be sending me.

But I did not ever ever intend to deceive anyone at any point in time. I have made that blatantly clear. Again:

hardware purchases were announced in the bmf thread.
a shareholder motion was successful about buying hardware.
hardware was listed on the spreadsheet.
hardware updates were posted in the thread re: orders and arrival dates
I confirmed in private to loan-holders hardware had arrived. one offered to exchange the single for the debt. I turned him down until I get the info from nefario.
I have been repeating this a few times now.

Do you see how utterly wrong it is to state or even insinuate I was lying or intending to deceive anyone? Please.. just go away.

If you weren't lying, just go away. if you were lying.. just go away. I doubt that you and others will never get a scammer tag even if you don't apologize.

All I want is to be left alone.

I was very very sick from oct 15th till last week. I had two back to back kidney stones, a deep burn on my leg that took over a week to heal and some kind of tropical stomach flu that blew me out completely. I just want to be left alone.

ok?

I'm not running any kind of business or taking investors money. You can leave me alone now.

I feel like we're making some progress here - I can sense that we're not too far off an admission that this specific complaint against me was totally unwarranted.

It's also apparent to me that you've missed a key element of the reason I said what I did (not your fault - as I wasn't clear about it).

When I referred to you claiming ALL your assets were on GLBSE I was referring to claims made by you AFTER GLBSE had closed - not to some typo made ages ago.  Specifically, to you saying that there was nothing to return to investors as all your assets were on GLBSE.  I then pointed out that wasnt true - as BMF investors at least had the mining gear.

Now I'll willingly concded that they represent a fairly small part of the overall assets you managed.  It was never my contention that it was a BIG lie - just that it was a lie (and the set we could name "Lies" contains both the subset "Big Lies" and the subset "Small Lies").

What confuses me a bit is this:  You've specifically accused me of lieing there but now satrt saying things like "If I said that....".  Don't you think that MAYBE you should have checked whether you said it before making this post?  In the FIRST point we've discussed - which YOU chose somehow being the one to focus - you're already admitting that you didn't check the facts and might be wrong.  That doesn't bode well for how the remaining 9 are going to go for you.  But let's finish this one up before moving on to them.

Hopefully, now you realise/remember the context in which I made my statement we can skup some of the dross.  I'm not claiming that you didn't have mining gear - quite the opposite.  I'm not claiming that you've denied having it ine the past - quite the contrary.  I AM claiming that after GLBSE closed you made a statement that ALL your (companies') assets were on GLBSE. I AM claiming that was factually inaccurate (Again - you're an English teacher - you DO realise "All" has a different meaning to "Most" and to "Nearly all", right?

Let's assume we agree that claim was a) Made and b) Inaccurate.  a) can easly be proven and b) I don't think there's any dispute on.

Isn't that pretty much case closed for what you said being untrue?

Again - as you're an English teacher - I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you realise the difference between "untrue" (which I claimed) and "a lie" which I didn't.  If you want to want to claim that I was somehow inferring that you were lieing (a claim you haven't so far made) then please let me know - and I'll happily explain to you WHY that argument is wrong and, even better, why I COULD have claimed you were lieing and totally justify that claim (I didn't claim that - but hey, not only am I prepared to demonstrate that what I DID say was correct but to go that extra step and prove that I could have said something stronger and had logic on my side).

If you still can't admit you're just totally and utterly wrong in claiming I was even inaccurate - let alone lieing - in this particular point (NOT the other ones - we'll do them later) then I guess we'll just have to go back to basics and see if we can break this down into a serious of small true/false statements until we find out precisely where the difference of opinion is.

Unless you have some better suggestion of how to arrive at agreement on you being wrong here.


If what you said was untrue, as you seem to be claiming, then apologize, as I asked, and there will be no complaint against you. Because that is all I really want, for you to realize that what you said was untrue, and to leave me alone.

As I said, I will confirm this in the OP, if you make the post where you agree what you said was untrue, I will state that you don't deserve a scammer tag because you did not lie.

So, did you lie, or was what you said merely untrue? In fact fuck it, if you don't want to apologize I don't even care. If you admit what you said was untrue I don't care anymore and it's over.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: Deprived on November 21, 2012, 05:35:33 PM
Your reading comprehension is shot you bits.

What YOU said was untrue.  What I said was accurate.  Read my post again more carefully please.   If you still don't understand it then I'll try again - this time as just a series of simple assertions which you can either agree or disgree with to identify where our disagreement is.

If you're seriously ill then I'd suggest you go to bed and re-read my post in the morning.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: memvola on November 21, 2012, 05:40:18 PM
Quoting just in case it mysteriously vanishes.

That is annoying and stupid.

I ask this as a CPA shareholder and owner of NYAN.C bonds: Why did you delete your posts?

I want to be left alone.

There's a very easy way to accomplish this.

usagi, you made a lot of people lose a lot of money. I gave you my money (yeah, enough to buy a decent car) and it's gone, and in a very unhelpful way. I empathize with your situation, but since I wouldn't take the risks you took with any investment (including mine, but especially others'), it's hard for me to attribute the loss to an investment risk other than you yourself. I don't see anything in this picture that alleviates your liability.

If you want to stay in the community and be respected, you need to show us that you are capable of turning this around. Does this thread help with it? Absolutely not. I can't even comprehend why this thread exists. None of this really matters. Not to your shareholders, not to you, not to anyone.

You are giving the same reaction Nefario gave when confronted with the increasing issues with GLBSE. He stopped listening to people who he was obligated to and began focusing on trolls and eventually left. I get that it would ease your conscience if there were enemies you're confronting and they were somehow guilty of the situation you're in.

Instead, the case is this. There are very many people on this forum that are disappointed because you lost their money. They don't have anything to say to you, and they are really not interested in this "I'm being trolled" thing. At all. It doesn't change anything.

One more thing. What is the extent of damage that this "trolling operation" caused you? Did you lose contracts because of it? Did your IPO's fail because of it? I want to understand what it proves, and especially what effect it had in you failing us.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 21, 2012, 05:53:29 PM
usagi, you made a lot of people lose a lot of money. I gave you my money (yeah, enough to buy a decent car) and it's gone, and in a very unhelpful way. I empathize with your situation, but since I wouldn't take the risks you took with any investment (including mine, but especially others'), it's hard for me to attribute the loss to an investment risk other than you yourself. I don't see anything in this picture that alleviates your liability.

If you want to stay in the community and be respected, you need to show us that you are capable of turning this around. Does this thread help with it? Absolutely not. I can't even comprehend why this thread exists. None of this really matters. Not to your shareholders, not to you, not to anyone.

This thread exists because I have experienced financial loss as a direct result of a 4 month plus long campaign by the same 5 or 6 people to defame me. Even recently people like deeplink repeatedly state, over and over and over, that I swindled people and ran fraudulent business schemes.

The reason why this is so dangerous is because YES, mining crashed, YES, glbse shut down and royally fucked both you and me. And I am not happy that happened. But if you suddenly began to believe I intentionally defrauded you, then something like HorseRider's thread might get created for me -- unfairly -- due to the lies spread -- and I could get royally fucked up over it. I honestly believe that is what people like deeplink want to see happen to me and they do not care if they have to lie to achieve their goal.

It has gotten to the point where mods like badbear insert themselves in my threads to troll and attack me, for little to no reason. What the hell is badbear doing taking potshots at me in unrelated theads?

These people have demonstrated they WILL NOT LEAVE ME ALONE. I don't know what else to do.

Theymos has stated to me in PM over and over he will not do anything. Not about the trolls, not about the scam accusations, and not about the mods. There is nothing I can do. It is not my fault. I am working to pay people back. As a shareholder, you should make a claim. You will be given assets and whatever bitcoins I can get from GLBSE and the sale of hardware, and whatever is leftover from the guitar/amp. I have one interested buyer in PM now. Mods can confirm this. I am working to do the right thing. I cannot allow people to believe I was defrauding people. That is not true.

You are giving the same reaction Nefario gave when confronted with the increasing issues with GLBSE. He stopped listening to people who he was obligated to and began focusing on trolls and eventually left. I get that it would ease your conscience if there were enemies you're confronting and they were somehow guilty of the situation you're in.

Instead, the case is this. There are very many people on this forum that are disappointed because you lost their money. They don't have anything to say to you, and they are really not interested in this "I'm being trolled" thing. At all. It doesn't change anything.

One more thing. What is the extent of damage that this "trolling operation" caused you? Did you lose contracts because of it? Did your IPO's fail because of it? I want to understand what it proves, and especially what effect it had in you failing us.

I have demonstrated that Ian Bakewell, BitcoinMiningINV, and others have canceled contracts, cut business, and not taken business as a direct result of what has been said about me. This hurt CPA in the final days. it made it very difficult for me to do business. In the final days no one would sign a contract with CPA. The trolling destroyed the business. Patrick harnett and Mollison both left the board because of this. They became embarrassed to be associated with CPA. So we lost a lot from this. A lot.

Maybe you are right and this serves no purpose. But I don't know what else to do. It is not right that people can say whatever they want and destroy someone's rep without any proof.

Edit: Locked so everyone sees this post.
Mods please feel free to unlock and issue a statement/query/judgement over this issue at your leisure.
I'm actually psychologically satisfied with this, collecting my responses in one place. I do hope someone does make a final statement one way or the other. For god's sake mods. A statement on this is needed please.


Title: Re: MPOE-PR, EskimoBob, Puppet, Deprived. Etc. -- Fraud and Conspiracy
Post by: usagi on November 29, 2012, 02:28:09 AM
edit: post #2 updated with augustoccroppo's findings. Interested parties please read the 4-5 pages previous to his post to see what led up to his statement.