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What happened:: mark coins won the auction but never replied to buy or anything.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=372496

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247912
Amount Scammed: 0.1 BTC
Payment Method: Bitcoin
Proof of Payment: Never made
PM/Chat Logs: None.
Additional Notes:

For the all given dates time offset is 0.

This guy posted a bid on the date of: 13 November 2015, 03:02:37
And won the auction at: 14 November 2015, 03:02:37
I've replied to the topic at: 14 November 2015, 15:21:31
And send a pm about it: 14 November 2015, 15:36:56 
I've waited more than 3 days for a reply. But never got a reply from this guy.
Then  I've left him a neg trust around; 18 November 2015, 09:11:05

During that time;
From:  14 November 2015, 23:04:47 to  18 November 2015, 08:47:45
He posted more than 20 posts on the forum.

Now he claims he was busy IRL during that time period.

Why I've waited so long? Because I waited a reply from this scammer and today he replied.

I see that his trust factor never changed.  What is going on with that?

Please provide all our PMs here so they can verify who did the wrong thing and who is telling lies. Thanks

Edit: this is funny

Amount scammed: .1btc but proof of payment never made? ROFLMAO

What was mark coins reply today? Did he pay for the auction he won or agree to pay for it later?

I will answer this for the op. I explained him why i didnt able to reply to his pm's the day and +1day when i won the auction because im busy in real life so im not able to check all pm's but one user already gave a negative feedback (he deleted the old feedback and changed it) so i become sad that time and doesnt want to reply or make a deal anymore.

Note: i even sent a pm to op to honor my bid coz im really interested on the account he is selling

@op provide all our PMs here to make the story short

Are you fucking serious? OK. I'm quoting all pm's right now;

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During auction this guy send a pm:

After he wins, I've sent this pm:
As I sad above till today I never got a reply from this guy.

To get this scammer's attention I've posted that: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1273144.msg13128927#msg13128927
Because this scammer doesn't deserve to make money on signature campaigns.

Later he replied:
This guy claims he was busy IRL but As I stated @op he posted more than 20 messages during that time.
This guy claims he got neg trust frum substrata but if you check he didn't have it til 11-19-2015.

I replied:

Scammer replied:

I replied:

scammer replied:

I replied:

Scammer replied:

If you get a neg trust you don't avoid it like this scammer did. You try to solve it.

Do you think things like this deserves red trust? On the otherhand, why dont you ask substrata on when is the first time he gave me a feedback? Thats the base of this problem, hope he will tell us the truth

I don't give a fuck about substrata's neg trust. You made a deal with me, not him.

As I said above If you get a negative trust you try to solve it not avoid it!

If you've contacted me back then I could make him delete your neg trust. But you tried to avoid your problem, that's why you deserve neg trust!
You're a lying scammer bastard.

Your Thread Doesnot Looks Clear As Of No Payment Proof Is There...
It means the user markcoins haven't Scammed you for any amount..
Instead He Didnot obey the auction rule which is too bad..
If he won the auction he should surely be serious about it and should deal further if He made a BID..
This says that The user "markcoins" Doesnot Follow his Words So he may be called "Untrustworthy" Because this tells us that He can anytime Deny about the deal or Come Back And would not do correctly what he would say...
However , He havent scammed anything So your thread is not Constructive clearly about the issue
You must construct it well and Move This Thread To Reputation Section

just try to understand my previous replies to you about this matter. If you will continue acting like a kid then this will be my last reply here unless someone who is trusted enough is interested in this trash topic of yours. Bye

I'm not acting like a kid, But you are. For instance, basically you're saying with crying eyes that  "I got a neg trust from someone who's not related and I didn't fullfill our agreement because of this".

Scammer mark coins now left me a negative feedback ;D
And his explanation is pure BS.

LOL'ed at that:

Defaulted on an auction without giving any information to OP deserves negative trust. If you don't have any intention to buy a product you shouldn't place a bid.

If it deserved negative trust from default he woukd have it. In my humble opinion the way the op is speaking and pmed will hold anyone on default from giving negatives but we'll see. I think people should be warned and maybe a neutral would suffice.

I could say that a neutral trust is a must and even a negative trust is justified in this case.
No offence marc coins but no one forced you to be a part of this auction and if you are really busy in your real life then a simple message to the OP would avoid all this mess (since you had connected here several times a message will take from you less than 1 minute...).
I recommend from both to end the purchase, mark the topic as solved then close it.

He's on my black list. I don't do any deal with this scammer.

for all the people who want to comment here, pls read the WHOLE story first on why and how did this happen. based on all your comments it looks like you only read some part of the discussion and not the whole thing

No. I read the whole thing. You are using a really lame excuse for not paying for your auction win. It makes you look:

1. Untrustworthy
2. Scammy
3. Like you don't care about your rating at all

You should:

Pay for the account you won. Honor your deal. Stop whining about negative trust from some other member. If you can't be online to bid and pay for an auction due to IRL issues, don't fucking do it.

Seriously, you come off as a really sad ass scammer/loser for this, just pay it up and get the damn account you wanted it anyhow right?!  :P

really? i will repeat it

1. i even sent a PM to OP that i am interested in the account while the auction is still open
2. scammy? seriously? how?
3. if i dont care about the rating, i would pay for the account even they dont remove it :P


sometimes no one can know if he will busy on xxx day or not, you know what is "emergency"?

i already said, im about to pay for the account that i won "IF" substrata doesnt leave a red feedback on the "DAY THAT I AM BUSY"

you can all check my activity on the day i won the auction but the feedback of substrata makes me dont care about the account anymore!

cant you guys understand things like that? its pretty simple, really


EDIT: this issue is really a small thing, you guys just want to make this things bigger and bigger LOL

No. To you it's a small thing. Have you seen your trust rating? FFS, fix it , dont' ignore it like a fucking asshole.  :-\

Mark coins:  You might want to listen to what other people are saying here, because they are correct.  First, if you won an auction and were going to be busy, the right thing to do would be to notify the person you won the thing from.  And being busy is just an excuse anyway.  You weren't too fucking busy to bid, were you?  And second, a third party's feedback has no bearing on whether you should pay or not.  That's a piss-poor excuse, and it does warrant DT (-) trust.

OP:  Your language in writing to Mark coins makes you come off childish at best.  I'd try to be more professional in the future, especially when you're trying to get someone to pay you.  It's not going to help your cause if you're motherfucking the person up, down, and sideways.

All this stuff is a big reason why people are turned off of btc, but that's another matter.

Mark coins is a known sig campaign spammer. I can see his posts everywhere... All of them are insubstantial. He probably bid only to boost his post count as well. Not surprising really.

this is the best and most fair comment so far, i may want to pay for the account that i won maybe if he doesnt act like the way he acted in the first place, i tried to talk to OP in a good manner but his act make me doubt even more. thanks anyway

Well, try again. Be nice. It has nothing to do with substrata, you know that, just do it. Your negs will be removed accordingly and you can continue to be a good btc citizen.

I just spent the last 20 mins going through your post history mark coins and i must say that all this could have been prvented with a simple pm to the OP.

nov 14th you win auction at basically 4pm. You have 3 posts on the 14th after 11pm(which means you most likely saw the auction pm). then no posts til the 16th. On the 16th you had 2 posts. Then come the 17th its back to business as usual n you had 17 posts.

During all that time you had to have seen the auction pm and basically neglected to respond. You could have pmed the guy back and said hey im no longer interested in the account. Or you couldve been truthful with him and said hey i just post for my sig campaign post count.(thats what i feel you are doing here)Either way the burden is on you if you decide to make a bid in an auction and i feel you intentionally neglected your responsibilities here and maybe do need a neutral or neg rating.

I also feel by reading the pms that were posted back n forth that you both acted quite a bit childish and neither of you were in the right there. We are supposed to be adults and as adults we shouldnt be treating each other this way. I guess grow up is what you both need to do

thanks for the kind comment


yeah i supposed to respond on the PM of OP but the day i got time to spend on the forum i already have a neg trust (1st feedback) from substrata so that's the reason i dont want to continue the deal anymore and i didnt even respond anymore. anyway i want to here Substrata's opinion here on why he gave a feedback the time i wasnt so active here and only leads to this issue

Sorry, but are you retarded? Substrata has nothing to do withi this, quit fucking stalling, or i will mark you as scammer.

Pay for the auction you won. Otherwise you will be marked as scammer forever, and your account and rep will be ruined.

not paying for the auction i won = scammer? how could that be? anyway, substrata has something to do with this, if you dont know why then stop commenting until substrata confirm here

If you win an auction with a legitimate bid you have the obligation to follow through with the deal, something that you haven't done as of now.

you bid on an item. therefore, you agreed to pay for the item to obtain it in the event you should win it, which, in this case, you did win it. you dont go around saying 'i bid xx for your item' and back out right when you win. you went back on your word and didnt even bother to contact op (but you clearly had time to post around the forum lmao) when in fact, all of this could have been prevented with a single pm saying something like 'hey something came up, sorry but i wont be able to pay for the account, feel free to extend the auction time.'
i honestly dont know why you think im involved in this somehow, was i involved in the sale somehow? not the last time i checked. in fact, iirc i even sent a pm to op suggesting he make a scam accusation thread, and stated explicitly that i wouldnt myself because this was none of my business. all i did was leave you a negative trust rating because i thought you displayed some untrustworthy behavior in this incident (backing out on a tacit agreement, wasting people's time, going silent on op while you continues to spam, etc), nothing more.

as everyone is saying, im not at all involved in this, stop trying to make yourself out to be the victim. ask yourself, is everyone else wrong, or are you wrong? chances are, its you.

also, you should probably go learn how to spell 'seriously' correctly first.
https://i.gyazo.com/e1c21559dec9b32f981213490c840c9f.png

Question for you mr substrata, why you left me a feedback on the day that i won the auction and im not so active here in the forum? Didnt you thought of maybe im busy and not able to check PMs before giving a negative feedback?

If you agreed to buy an item and then chose you never wanted the item but ignored the OP while being online posting that is shady at best but not sure about scammer. Spammer? Sure, which is also probably the reason you made the bids to boost your post count in the first place. Just think on this one thread you have paid for 10% of the item, the OP is helping you pay for it. I will be pming the campaign manager though as I don't think he wants this kind of advertisement.

This scenario reminds me of a similar incident happened before in this forum :D

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1194935.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1247912.msg12973188#msg12973188
i think you may actually have a problem somewhere in your brain. you won the auction on the 14th. the feedback was left on the 19th. now, i know this may be difficult for you, but i want you to do some simple fucking math. 19, as in the nineteenth day of november, is five days after november 14th, which is (*fucking gasp) not the same fucking day you won the auction, who wouldve guessed. you can even put this is a calculator to check. here's another thing, i even took the liberty of doing all that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=19-14

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now that we have that out of the way, lets look at your bullshit claims.

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wow, that sure is a lot of posting for someone who is supposedly waaaay too busy to even reply to a pm. not only that, you sure have a lot of posts afterwards too, and yet only now you respond to this matter since there is a public thread addressing it.
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youre full of shit, and no one's buying your 4th grade level excuses.
its not even worth replying to this thread after this, ive presented everything and anything you say further is just a pathetic attempt at stalling. fun fact, i actually had to unignore you to reply to these postsm so back on that ignore list you go.

funny dumb hero member, can you check how many post i made not the entire day that i won the auction but starting from WHEN HE SENT ME THE PM that i won the auction, i will help you here


there, can you check if im active from the time he sent me a PM

this is really going funny! you clearly posted here my posts just before he sent me a PM so how could i know? LMAO :D

feeling police? then investigate the whole scenario accurately :P

EDIT: check carefully, i only had 3posts on the day he sent me a PM (Nov14, the time after he sent) and no posts on Nov15. do i look like active on that days? :))

Dude.  You're being so fucking dense, it boggles my mind and probably the minds of anyone who might stumble across this thread.

None of the feedback substrata left you matters.  Your argument about how often you posted after the auction ended doesn't matter.  The only thing that matters, and what the community here is looking for, is that you hold up your end of the bargain on the auction that you won.  You are stalling and rationalizing why you haven't paid yet and it is obvious.  If you don't rectify this, you're going to get negative trust from a DT member and you're going to get booted off your sig campaign if you're wearing a paid sig. (I have signatures blocked). 

i already said it, i dont have interest on the account anymore as because of substrata stepped into the scene just before we got the deal done (after my busy days)

So, the pm from the OP was sent to you on November 14, 2015, 15:36:56 right?
The first negative trust left for you is on November 18 by the OP, then a second negative trust followed by substrata on November 19 as it is mentioned here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=372496 ? Am I wrong? I don't think i am the only one seeing a wrong facts here.
Then seeing your posts history here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=372496;sa=showPosts;start=220 i see that on November 15, 2015 you made a first post on: November 15, 2015, 12:04:47 AM, followed by 2 posts in the same day then on November 16, 2015 you posted twice then on November 17 you made 18 posts.
I will not count the posts made on November 18, but as anyone can see, between the pm of the OP and the first negative trust you got you made a total of 23 posts . You said you were busy? Too busy to made 23 posts and neglect the pm of the OP? And why you blame susbstata while he left the negative feedback after 5 days and you weren't busy in theses days since you made made at least 23 posts? And why you care about susbstata NT from the beginning since he have nothing to do with all this mess?
Waiting for your answers marc (even theses facts are more than enough to convince anyone that you just posted in this auction to increase your posts count...)
Shame that we have the same signature, the consequences of your risky adventure will be severe imo.

That is the worst excuse ever, the OP didn't ask substrata to leave that feedback on your account, he has nothing to do with the deal you made by bidding on the auction with OP.

You agreed to pay by bidding on the auction and now you want to back out because of someone totally unrelated to that original deal... very shady.

sorry, but this is most stupid excuse I have heard ever, substrata action affects your liabilities as much as the rain outside the window :)

Are you serious or what.

http://s30.postimg.org/u5wx5qcox/Screen_Shot_2015_12_14_at_6_32_54_pm.png

Complete and utterly bullshit. It's you who is ripping everyone off here.

I'll leave you a negative trust feedback as well since this hasn't been sorted out after a few weeks and you're still actively posting(i.e. spamming) on the forum.

(Probable) Alt account(unless already sold): smith coins

I can't believe no one from the dt list gave him a negative.   He really deserves it.  I'm sure his signature campaign would not like that.

Personally , in my book, going back on your bid is not a scammy behaviour, shady at best.

i wouldve agreed on it being shady at best if it were not for the fact that mark coins was active and posting after op pmed him about winning the auction. if he had just taken the 5 seconds to say 'sorry i have to go back on my bid, stuff happens ya know,' that wouldve been completely fine. mark coins tried to avoid the issue and only responded after the issue was brought to the public's attention.

I agree but one's behavior doesn't have to be scammy in order to earn a negative trust here, it just has to be untrustworthy.  at least that's been my observation.

lost time, frustrated auction, means you not considered to be a loss?

I don't understand what you're asking about the bolded part.  It's probably that you don't understand written English well enough.

I think what zazarb meant is if mexxer does not consider "lost time & frustrated auction" due to mark coins actions as scammy.

The whole situation is extremely shady and my neg will stay on him. While he never screwed anyone per say out of btc to his wallet, he did screw the OP out of a sale to another potential buyer. I believe someone from DT should flag him as a lesson to others that if you want to pad your post count do it in other sections(not that im condoning the behavior) but do it in sections that may not waste other users time and money

Yes, well he responded to the quote pyramid that had my entry as the last one and he bolded my quote, and I still don't understand what he was trying to say.  Anyway, moving on.