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Title: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: MadGamer on December 10, 2015, 07:17:59 AM
Donald Trump has vowed to continue his US presidential campaign amid widespread criticism of his latest remarks on Muslims. Trump, the leading candidate for the Republican Party's nomination, called for a blanket ban on Muslims entering the US in the wake of the deadly shootings in San Bernardino, California last week.

The comments drew global condemnation, with UK Prime Minister David Cameron describing them as "divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong". But Trump told the Washington Post he would never back out of the presidential race. The primaries to choose the Republican party's nominee open in six weeks.

the source : http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-says-he-will-never-quit-us-presidential-race-1532644


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: vero on December 10, 2015, 10:00:36 PM
A recent poll found that 35% of Americans are republicans, 35% are democrates, and 30% are independents. The Donald has the support of 25% of republicans. One-quarter of 35% is about 8.5% of Americans. Yet, Trump supporters scream that he will be president. Are they delusional or stupid? One poll found that 80% of Trump supporters are high school graduates or high school dropouts, so I think stupid rather than delusional. He leads the poor white trash and they think they will take the presidency. Yawn.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: countryfree on December 10, 2015, 10:57:08 PM
That's only logic. Considering the millions he has already spent in his campaign, it would be stupid to leave now. When you play poker, you don't leave the table in the middle of a game. He will stay up to the end. You win or lose everything, but giving up isn't an option.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 11, 2015, 02:14:49 AM
A recent poll found that 35% of Americans are republicans, 35% are democrates, and 30% are independents. The Donald has the support of 25% of republicans. One-quarter of 35% is about 8.5% of Americans. Yet, Trump supporters scream that he will be president. Are they delusional or stupid? One poll found that 80% of Trump supporters are high school graduates or high school dropouts, so I think stupid rather than delusional. He leads the poor white trash and they think they will take the presidency. Yawn.

Most of the opinion polls for a hypothetical Clinton vs Trump scenario in 2016 shows that Clinton is leading Trump by a mere 2% or 3% of the votes. In the end, it will come down to how successful the Pinocchibitch is, in mobilizing her ghetto supporters. Trump is polling well above 45% in all these polls, and that is much more than 8.5%.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Blawpaw on December 11, 2015, 04:21:16 AM
I guess he is just running as a comedian. The problem is that there are some retarded fellows who think he is funny. However, not funny enough to win!


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Beliathon on December 12, 2015, 04:11:32 AM
It would be unethical if someone were to kidnap Donald Trump and kill him slowly on camera.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 12, 2015, 06:23:58 AM
Everyone was expecting that Trump's support levels would go down as a result of the latest anti-Muslim controversy. But the exact opposite seems to have happened. Trump is now leading the GOP primary race with 35%, with two other anti-establishment candidates in the 2nd and 3rd positions (Cruz - 16%, Carson - 13%). The pro-establishment candidates are getting whacked, especially Rubio and Bush.

And in Georgia, last month Carson was leading Trump by 2% (26% to 24%), but now Trump is leading Cruz by a massive 27% lead (43% to 16%).

Anyone in favor of a Trump-Cruz candidature? (Trump for POTUS and Cruz for VP).


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Beliathon on December 12, 2015, 08:39:17 AM
It would be unethical if someone were to kidnap Donald Trump and kill him slowly on camera.
It'd be especially terrible if someone were to cut little pieces of flesh away from Trump - you know, fingers and things - and mail them to other powerful capitalists as a message, so they know what fate that awaits them come revolution.

Seriously though, don't do that. It's not very nice to cut people up into pieces while keeping them alive for weeks or months, all on camera. Very naughty indeed.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Bokelka on December 12, 2015, 10:54:55 AM
He seems like an honest person. American people should give him a chance. There are too many politicians in American politics.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 12, 2015, 11:11:03 AM
He seems like an honest person. American people should give him a chance. There are too many politicians in American politics.

Exactly. Trump is very honest, especially considering that a serial liar is on the other side (Hillary Clinton). Media has been attacking him since the day he launched his presidential campaign. Also, he is self-financing his campaign, unlike Billary who has taken grants from the Saudi and Qatari sheikhs to steamroll her campaign.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Spendulus on December 12, 2015, 06:39:28 PM
He seems like an honest person. American people should give him a chance. There are too many politicians in American politics.

Exactly. Trump is very honest, especially considering that a serial liar is on the other side (Hillary Clinton). Media has been attacking him since the day he launched his presidential campaign. Also, he is self-financing his campaign, unlike Billary who has taken grants from the Saudi and Qatari sheikhs to steamroll her campaign.

People that don't understand Trump are likely mostly people that don't understand business thinking methods.  That's all most of his ideas stem from.  He's not projecting ideas from a philosophical or feel good basis.  Just practical concepts that are actionable.




Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: zenitzz on December 12, 2015, 09:02:44 PM
I hear a lot of people who say they are voting for Trump. A surprising number actually. They don't even care what the others have to say.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: croato on December 12, 2015, 09:06:52 PM
Why would he quit? He is one of few politicians in this screwed world who actually talk what what he think and noone have him in his pocket. If USA akbars feel buthurt, they dont have to vote for him.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Daniel91 on December 12, 2015, 09:20:02 PM
I'm sure that he never will quit US presidential race.
Why?
Because I think he enjoy to be controversial man, media star.
He enjoy this popularity and all probably also enjoy to listen all reactions after his public speeches.
Without media he will have no power.
We made him so powerful.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: vero on December 12, 2015, 10:35:12 PM
I dont know any republicans who like the republican party. If trump could get the nomination he will win. Otherwise its more liberal pro communism self destruction.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: smiletyson on December 12, 2015, 10:40:30 PM
USA needs another Bush. So Vote for Trump tramp :)
He's going to win.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 13, 2015, 06:10:24 AM
I hear a lot of people who say they are voting for Trump. A surprising number actually. They don't even care what the others have to say.

According to the opinion polls, somewhere between 40% and 45% of the voters intend to vote for Trump if the POTUS 2016 choice is between him and Hillary. That is a LOT of people. The important thing here is that Hillary has been losing support ever since she launched her campaign, while Trump has seen his support levels going up slowly, but consistently.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Spendulus on December 13, 2015, 09:39:41 PM
I hear a lot of people who say they are voting for Trump. A surprising number actually. They don't even care what the others have to say.

According to the opinion polls, somewhere between 40% and 45% of the voters intend to vote for Trump if the POTUS 2016 choice is between him and Hillary. That is a LOT of people. The important thing here is that Hillary has been losing support ever since she launched her campaign, while Trump has seen his support levels going up slowly, but consistently.

Really Hillary is a loser of a candidate. 

No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig....

Trump will get both Trump votes and anti-Hillary votes.

What more does one need?


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bitsmichel on December 13, 2015, 10:15:37 PM
I hear a lot of people who say they are voting for Trump. A surprising number actually. They don't even care what the others have to say.

According to the opinion polls, somewhere between 40% and 45% of the voters intend to vote for Trump if the POTUS 2016 choice is between him and Hillary. That is a LOT of people. The important thing here is that Hillary has been losing support ever since she launched her campaign, while Trump has seen his support levels going up slowly, but consistently.

This is going to be an exciting election!


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bryant.coleman on December 14, 2015, 02:23:53 AM
Really Hillary is a loser of a candidate. 

No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig....

Trump will get both Trump votes and anti-Hillary votes.

What more does one need?

It can go both ways. Hillary might get the anti-Trump vote (from Muslims, Hispanics.etc). Anyway most of them vote Democrat so I doubt how much effect that will be having. That said, Hillary has a dedicated vote-bank amounting for at least one-fourth of the population (African-Americans, Radical feminists, LGBT, Jews.etc).


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: vero on December 14, 2015, 03:46:19 AM
I hear a lot of people who say they are voting for Trump. A surprising number actually. They don't even care what the others have to say.

According to the opinion polls, somewhere between 40% and 45% of the voters intend to vote for Trump if the POTUS 2016 choice is between him and Hillary. That is a LOT of people. The important thing here is that Hillary has been losing support ever since she launched her campaign, while Trump has seen his support levels going up slowly, but consistently.

Really Hillary is a loser of a candidate.  

No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig....

Trump will get both Trump votes and anti-Hillary votes.

What more does one need?
Frankly, no one won, because none of the candidates had the balls to tell the audience about the real problem causing the U.S. domestic consumer economic collapse.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BTC LOVER on December 14, 2015, 03:55:23 AM
I think he also will never win the Race  :D
Anyways he is an racism Guy who should more care about People who need help!

regards
BTC LOVER


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bitsmichel on December 14, 2015, 09:36:26 AM
I hear a lot of people who say they are voting for Trump. A surprising number actually. They don't even care what the others have to say.

According to the opinion polls, somewhere between 40% and 45% of the voters intend to vote for Trump if the POTUS 2016 choice is between him and Hillary. That is a LOT of people. The important thing here is that Hillary has been losing support ever since she launched her campaign, while Trump has seen his support levels going up slowly, but consistently.

Really Hillary is a loser of a candidate.  

No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig....

Trump will get both Trump votes and anti-Hillary votes.

What more does one need?
Frankly, no one won, because none of the candidates had the balls to tell the audience about the real problem causing the U.S. domestic consumer economic collapse.


Thats true, economics should be a big part of their campaign. 


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: jt byte on December 14, 2015, 04:13:18 PM
Well I don't care what happens to that man, he won win the presidential race. I know that some people will vote, but not the most.
I hate it when people just say bad things to other every country we have a bad politicy.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BADecker on December 14, 2015, 06:11:58 PM
Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: greBit on December 14, 2015, 06:21:58 PM
I hear a lot of people who say they are voting for Trump. A surprising number actually. They don't even care what the others have to say.

According to the opinion polls, somewhere between 40% and 45% of the voters intend to vote for Trump if the POTUS 2016 choice is between him and Hillary. That is a LOT of people. The important thing here is that Hillary has been losing support ever since she launched her campaign, while Trump has seen his support levels going up slowly, but consistently.

Really Hillary is a loser of a candidate.  

No matter how much lipstick you put on that pig....

Trump will get both Trump votes and anti-Hillary votes.

What more does one need?
Frankly, no one won, because none of the candidates had the balls to tell the audience about the real problem causing the U.S. domestic consumer economic collapse.


Thats true, economics should be a big part of their campaign. 

True, I agree with you the main agenda behind election is to select an eligible leader who could improve country's economy and help the country grow further but these two candidates don't have that quality and capability


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Beliathon on December 14, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)
More like a parrot quoting Ayn Rand's ghost


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BADecker on December 15, 2015, 06:23:30 PM
Look. All the Presidents were, and candidates are, on the take. Here's what I mean.

Any candidate worth his weight would explain to the people how the income tax is voluntary. Then he would promise to show the people how to successfully fight the IRS and win, once he was elected, of course.

When the people stopped paying taxes, there would be no more borrowing by government from the FED, because the amount of money the government can borrow is based on the guestimated amount of income taxes that will be paid.

If the government doesn't borrow more money from the FED, government won't have any money to make payments on their outstanding loans of the past. The FED will foreclose, and government will shut the FED down just to protect government.

There will be such a mix up in money, that our troops will all have to come home from everywhere, because we will no longer be able to support them over "there." We won't be able to support them because there will be no more money coming in from either income taxes, or from the shut-down FED. (BTW, with the FED shut down, Bitcoin will rule.)

Meanwhile, back at home, because there are no more income taxes, people will be able to afford guns and ammo to protect themselves from ISIS and any other terrorist. The government and military won't have enough money to enforce gun control. In addition, terrorists will dry up because, the government ones won't have any money to make fake terrorist plots anymore, and the foreign ones won't be receiving support from Uncle Sam to be able to buy their terrorist equipment, anymore.

The thing we don't see is a candidate even talking about something like this, which could be made to happen, bypassing Congress and the State governments.

So, you see? The whole candidacy thing is all a big front to keep things going on the way and direction they have been going for a hundred years or more now.

:)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: ridery99 on December 15, 2015, 08:15:56 PM
Trump is what America and mankind deserves  :)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: ivanst776 on December 15, 2015, 08:17:55 PM
Since he is racist i don't think that he will won this time, and this will be a lesson for him for the next round of presidential election.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BADecker on December 15, 2015, 11:16:17 PM
Since he is racist i don't think that he will won this time, and this will be a lesson for him for the next round of presidential election.

All government is racist. They are racist by not accepting the race of people who are racist. Trump simply needs to show people how this is the fact.

I don't think Trump is serious about winning. I think he is serious about playing the candidacy game. And I think he would accept the position if he won. But I don't think that he is playing the game to win.

:)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Bokelka on January 02, 2016, 10:57:37 PM
Since he is racist i don't think that he will won this time, and this will be a lesson for him for the next round of presidential election.

All government is racist. They are racist by not accepting the race of people who are racist. Trump simply needs to show people how this is the fact.

I don't think Trump is serious about winning. I think he is serious about playing the candidacy game. And I think he would accept the position if he won. But I don't think that he is playing the game to win.

:)

Will Donald Trump's run for US president help his business?


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Gronthaing on January 02, 2016, 11:04:10 PM
Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)
More like a parrot quoting Ayn Rand's ghost

Don't know about that. More like socialize costs and privatize gains as most others. He isn't that much libertarian. More a populist. He says whatever he believes people want to hear to get attention.

Since he is racist i don't think that he will won this time, and this will be a lesson for him for the next round of presidential election.

All government is racist. They are racist by not accepting the race of people who are racist. Trump simply needs to show people how this is the fact.

I don't think Trump is serious about winning. I think he is serious about playing the candidacy game. And I think he would accept the position if he won. But I don't think that he is playing the game to win.

:)

Will Donald Trump's run for US president help his business?

Helps with name recognition more. In america and abroad. Free publicity for his businesses everywhere. And if he is nominated or wins the presidency much better. Many don't like his views. But almost everyone knows who he is. And money trumps views.



Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: DooMAD on January 02, 2016, 11:18:31 PM
It seems like not everyone is a fan, heh:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/01/trump-is-disgusting-skywriters-rose-parade-california 

Quote
Skywriters captured public attention with messages reading “America is great. Trump is disgusting” and “Iowans dump Trump”, dotted through a cloudless sky.




Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BADecker on January 02, 2016, 11:32:14 PM
Trump may not quit. He'll keep on trying through the next few elections until he dies of old age.

When you die, it isn't you anymore. So, he may not quit after all.

 ;D


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Spendulus on January 03, 2016, 03:59:50 AM
Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)
More like a parrot quoting Ayn Rand's ghost

Don't know about that. More like socialize costs and privatize gains as most others. He isn't that much libertarian. More a populist. He says whatever he believes people want to hear to get attention.



One unusual and interesting thing about Trump is he has a long history in business - in the business of paying off politicians who try to get things from him, shut him down, whatever. 

So this is a guy that knows exactly what it means that republicans and democrats are the same.  He knows the system, from a capitalist point of view.

It's certainly not an Ayn Rand point of view, because she thought that intelligent capitalists should go on strike, instead of working the system.

Anyway, he may just be a guy who would be able to reform the system.  Well....maybe.....


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Wilikon on January 04, 2016, 02:10:06 PM



Democrats unsure Hillary Clinton can beat Donald Trump in general election


Democratic Party activists are conflicted over whether Hillary Clinton can take on Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump in the general election, with some fearing she provides too much ammunition for the flamboyant businessman’s style of attack.

While Mr. Trump is leading the national polls and calling the shots in what’s become a circuslike GOP primary season, Mrs. Clinton tops a sedentary Democratic race with two other opponents respectfully nipping at her without doing much damage — and party stalwarts are happy to have it that way.

“I hear a lot of people saying, ‘You know, I’ve watched the Democratic debates and the Republican debates, and they’re so different. I’m sure glad I’m on the Democratic side and they’re talking about the issues. They don’t always agree with one another, but they explain why,’” said David Allen, a Democratic Party leader in Barnstead, New Hampshire. “Democrats have resolved themselves to not go into a circus and tear one another down.”

But Mr. Allen said he does worry about how the eventual Democratic nominee will stand up to the sort of withering barbs Mr. Trump has dished out to his own side.

“We’re going to start to have to look at how the [Democratic] candidates play against Donald Trump, because he’s certainly holding onto his lead in the Republican Party, and he has certainly played the Republican candidates in a way that has hurt some of his opposition, and I think people are going to start asking, ‘All right, who’s going to stand up under his type of campaigning?’” Mr. Allen said. “If Bernie [Sanders] is the candidate, Trump will play up how un-American socialism is, and if Hillary gets it, he will dig up everything in the past 40 years and use it — and won’t mince words in using it.”

Other activists say there’s a sense that, while it’s Mrs. Clinton’s turn to run, there’s no swell of on-the-ground enthusiasm for her to carry the party’s banner into the general election.

“I don’t think the [Democratic primary] race has generated all that much intensity,” said Ron Romine, chairman of the Spartanburg, South Carolina, Democrats, who is neutral in the race. “I don’t feel like anywhere in the state there’s all that much passion. The usual suspects will go out and vote, but there’s not an intensity that you might think there should be with the first woman.

“Hillary is so familiar, she’s been around forever. She has her supporters, and they’re going to go out and vote for her, so there’s not a whole lot to parse out,” he said. “You either like her or you’re not enthusiastic.”

Mr. Trump already has started taking aim at Mrs. Clinton, just as some activists had feared.

At a rally in South Carolina on Wednesday, the billionaire real estate mogul declared “war” on the Clintons as he explained why he wouldn’t attack Mrs. Clinton as “low-energy” — the term he used to devastate his GOP rival, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

“I just don’t like to use the same thing twice on one of my enemies, because I consider them enemies,” Mr. Trump said. “We view this as war. Don’t we view this as war? It’s war, it’s war!”

Bothered by Mrs. Clinton’s accusation that he has a “penchant for sexism,” Mr. Trump continued to attack her husband, former President Bill Clinton, saying he was “one of the great abusers [of women] of the world.”

The Clinton camp this week said they would “stand up” to Mr. Trump. Deputy Communications Director Christina Reynolds said in a statement that “Hillary Clinton will stand up to him, as she has from the beginning,” citing Mr. Trump’s “demeaning” remarks about “women, immigrants, Asian-Americans, Muslims, the disabled or hard-working Americans,” adding that he has “pushed around nearly all of his fellow Republicans.”

Mrs. Clinton’s own supporters seem unfazed by the threat of Mr. Trump.

“I expected that to come up no matter who the [Republican] candidate was [and] the Bill Clinton past — I’m not the least bit surprised,” said Bonnie Chehames, who is campaigning for Mrs. Clinton in New Hampshire. “I can’t imagine Trump beating Hillary Clinton, and I don’t care what the polls say. The Republican Party will be fractured if Trump’s nominated, and that’s good for the Democrats.”


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/3/democrats-unsure-hillary-clinton-can-beat-donald-t/




Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Daniel91 on January 04, 2016, 06:09:32 PM
He don't have any reason to quit US presidential race.
It seems he have very good chance to become uS president next year.
It's really interesting to follow US presidential race from abroad, listen all this crazy statements and comments from Trump and wondering what is going on in America if such person have the best chance to replace Obama in White house :)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: HarizDB on January 04, 2016, 07:37:55 PM
I don't see why Trunp would quit the presidential race. Here abroad it seems like Trump could get a victory, the 'European favorite' to win the US presidential election month back was actually Jet Bush/Hillary Clinton, but both seems to fall in the votings - despite Trumps, sometimes crazy statements, he seems like the next US president.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: philipma1957 on January 04, 2016, 08:01:33 PM
He don't have any reason to quit US presidential race.
It seems he have very good chance to become uS president next year.
It's really interesting to follow US presidential race from abroad, listen all this crazy statements and comments from Trump and wondering what is going on in America if such person have the best chance to replace Obama in White house :)


Here is why:


Well it is easy  what is the last war America won?  WWII   (I know they did not win it alone.)

SO the people here are pretty tired of losing wars and having loved ones killed or coming home missing a hand ,leg, eye, mind etc.

So how did America win WWII?  By fucking people that were OF Italian, German , Japanese  decent living in the USA.

USA basically violated the constitutional rights of all three groups.  Read up on what they did to people that were Japanese and lived here.  

They also restricted  Italians and Germans living here.  Finally they nuked Japan not once but twice.

SO when Trump talks badly about Muslims   restricting them banning them etc  many Americans think it would work to stop terrorist attacks.

Many Americans think that Muslims are not controlling their own people so we will have to control them.

Trump knows business he will cut a deal with Russia , China and India   to stop Muslim terror attacks.


  

 Many Americans are thinking a version of the above case. I know because I live here and hear people say stuff like the above. In fact being a native New Yorker I have quite a few immigrant friends that have been here 10 or more years.  Some Russian and some Chinese  that both believe  the above idea could work.


Please understand the above is not what is right or wrong or what I believe.  It is what I have seen read and heard.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BADecker on January 04, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
He don't have any reason to quit US presidential race.
It seems he have very good chance to become uS president next year.
It's really interesting to follow US presidential race from abroad, listen all this crazy statements and comments from Trump and wondering what is going on in America if such person have the best chance to replace Obama in White house :)


Here is why:


Well it is easy  what is the last war America won?  WWII   (I know they did not win it alone.)

SO the people here are pretty tired of losing wars and having loved ones killed or coming home missing a hand ,leg, eye, mind etc.

So how did America win WWII?  By fucking people that were OF Italian, German , Japanese  decent living in the USA.

USA basically violated the constitutional rights of all three groups.  Read up on what they did to people that were Japanese and lived here.  

They also restricted  Italians and Germans living here.  Finally they nuked Japan not once but twice.

SO when Trump talks badly about Muslims   restricting them banning them etc  many Americans think it would work to stop terrorist attacks.

Many Americans think that Muslims are not controlling their own people so we will have to control them.

Trump knows business he will cut a deal with Russia , China and India   to stop Muslim terror attacks.


  

 Many Americans are thinking a version of the above case. I know because I live here and hear people say stuff like the above. In fact being a native New Yorker I have quite a few immigrant friends that have been here 10 or more years.  Some Russian and some Chinese  that both believe  the above idea could work.


Please understand the above is not what is right or wrong or what I believe.  It is what I have seen read and heard.

The American military won the Viet Nam war. The media lost this war for the eyes of the American people. It was all part of the PR that government was doing to twist the minds of the American people.

In addition, while the American military won WWII, the American people lost the big governemnt fascism takeover while that war was being won.

:)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Gronthaing on January 05, 2016, 05:52:08 AM
^ agreed that the american military won the vietnam war. But the american people didn't win anything. Neither did the vietnamese.

Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)
More like a parrot quoting Ayn Rand's ghost

Don't know about that. More like socialize costs and privatize gains as most others. He isn't that much libertarian. More a populist. He says whatever he believes people want to hear to get attention.



One unusual and interesting thing about Trump is he has a long history in business - in the business of paying off politicians who try to get things from him, shut him down, whatever.  

So this is a guy that knows exactly what it means that republicans and democrats are the same.  He knows the system, from a capitalist point of view.

It's certainly not an Ayn Rand point of view, because she thought that intelligent capitalists should go on strike, instead of working the system.

Anyway, he may just be a guy who would be able to reform the system.  Well....maybe.....

Have my doubts about that. Like you said he is working the system. He has been buying politicians to make them do what he wants. He is successful and well connected. Maybe he can now be the president. Why would he want to change a system where he is so successful?


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BADecker on January 05, 2016, 05:54:22 AM
^ agreed that the american military won the vietnam war. But the american people didn't win anything. Neither did the vietnamese.

Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)
More like a parrot quoting Ayn Rand's ghost

Don't know about that. More like socialize costs and privatize gains as most others. He isn't that much libertarian. More a populist. He says whatever he believes people want to hear to get attention.



One unusual and interesting thing about Trump is he has a long history in business - in the business of paying off politicians who try to get things from him, shut him down, whatever.  

So this is a guy that knows exactly what it means that republicans and democrats are the same.  He knows the system, from a capitalist point of view.

It's certainly not an Ayn Rand point of view, because she thought that intelligent capitalists should go on strike, instead of working the system.

Anyway, he may just be a guy who would be able to reform the system.  Well....maybe.....

Have my doubts about that. Like you said he is working the system. He has been buying politicians to make them do what he wants. Maybe he can now be the president. Why would he want to change a system where he is so successful?


If Trump ever becomes King, I mean President, I wonder how long it will take Congress to impeach him?

:)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Lethn on January 05, 2016, 07:50:55 AM
A recent poll found that 35% of Americans are republicans, 35% are democrates, and 30% are independents. The Donald has the support of 25% of republicans. One-quarter of 35% is about 8.5% of Americans. Yet, Trump supporters scream that he will be president. Are they delusional or stupid? One poll found that 80% of Trump supporters are high school graduates or high school dropouts, so I think stupid rather than delusional. He leads the poor white trash and they think they will take the presidency. Yawn.


Yeah yeah, paint all school graduates or dropouts as stupid without ever having known their circumstances, even though I'm in the UK I'm a school leaver and I think Trump is a moron, the reason he's popular is because he basically snubs elitist twats who think that everything in life revolves around getting a university degree and in order to have any sort of valid opinion you have to have more than one masters in a subject in order to be classed as intelligent.

As many people are saying now, Donald Trump is something that the political establishment has created themselves because of your exact sort of smug arrogance, while I don't support him in the slightest, it's great fun watching people like you squirm in horror over him. Anyone who is that hostile to Trump only have themselves to blame for being so blatantly hostile towards a specific demographic and it's now coming back to bite them in the arse, these people don't support him because they all like him, they support him because he's the only person left that's not part of the political establishment and is not willing to play by the rules the mainstream media sets.

The only people who were honest in politics and had genuine beliefs or arguments were driven out, so now Donald Trump is what has replaced them.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: bitbunnny on January 05, 2016, 09:03:21 AM
Maybe he will never quit but I hope that he won't win it


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: subSTRATA on January 05, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
A recent poll found that 35% of Americans are republicans, 35% are democrates, and 30% are independents. The Donald has the support of 25% of republicans. One-quarter of 35% is about 8.5% of Americans. Yet, Trump supporters scream that he will be president. Are they delusional or stupid? One poll found that 80% of Trump supporters are high school graduates or high school dropouts, so I think stupid rather than delusional. He leads the poor white trash and they think they will take the presidency. Yawn.


Yeah yeah, paint all school graduates or dropouts as stupid without ever having known their circumstances, even though I'm in the UK I'm a school leaver and I think Trump is a moron, the reason he's popular is because he basically snubs elitist twats who think that everything in life revolves around getting a university degree and in order to have any sort of valid opinion you have to have more than one masters in a subject in order to be classed as intelligent.

As many people are saying now, Donald Trump is something that the political establishment has created themselves because of your exact sort of smug arrogance, while I don't support him in the slightest, it's great fun watching people like you squirm in horror over him. Anyone who is that hostile to Trump only have themselves to blame for being so blatantly hostile towards a specific demographic and it's now coming back to bite them in the arse, these people don't support him because they all like him, they support him because he's the only person left that's not part of the political establishment and is not willing to play by the rules the mainstream media sets.

The only people who were honest in politics and had genuine beliefs or arguments were driven out, so now Donald Trump is what has replaced them.
accurate. but not everyone honest in politics has been driven out, sanders seems pretty honest.

Maybe he will never quit but I hope that he won't win it
he has pretty good chance to. pretty pathetic that a businessman has a better chance at presidency these days than actual politicians.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: Lethn on January 05, 2016, 09:58:21 AM
They're doing their best to drive Sanders out, Hilary has already tried to play the sexism card a number of times on him and then there was that shit with the blacklivesmatter protesters, don't get me started on Ron paul either because what he went through was downright abuse and blatant propaganda on the part of the media.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: subSTRATA on January 05, 2016, 10:21:06 AM
They're doing their best to drive Sanders out, Hilary has already tried to play the sexism card a number of times on him and then there was that shit with the blacklivesmatter protesters, don't get me started on Ron paul either because what he went through was downright abuse and blatant propaganda on the part of the media.
the media is just paid off by the corporations sanders is against, not hard to see. especially with the last debate where there was clear favoritism for Clinton. I hear she's losing points in the polls recently because her bullshit is being exposed in a way the dumb public can understand though.

^ agreed that the american military won the vietnam war. But the american people didn't win anything. Neither did the vietnamese.

Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)
More like a parrot quoting Ayn Rand's ghost

Don't know about that. More like socialize costs and privatize gains as most others. He isn't that much libertarian. More a populist. He says whatever he believes people want to hear to get attention.



One unusual and interesting thing about Trump is he has a long history in business - in the business of paying off politicians who try to get things from him, shut him down, whatever.  

So this is a guy that knows exactly what it means that republicans and democrats are the same.  He knows the system, from a capitalist point of view.

It's certainly not an Ayn Rand point of view, because she thought that intelligent capitalists should go on strike, instead of working the system.

Anyway, he may just be a guy who would be able to reform the system.  Well....maybe.....

Have my doubts about that. Like you said he is working the system. He has been buying politicians to make them do what he wants. Maybe he can now be the president. Why would he want to change a system where he is so successful?


If Trump ever becomes King, I mean President, I wonder how long it will take Congress to impeach him?

:)
as long as it takes for each of them to grow a brain and find an actual politician suited for presidency.


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: BADecker on January 05, 2016, 01:37:53 PM
They're doing their best to drive Sanders out, Hilary has already tried to play the sexism card a number of times on him and then there was that shit with the blacklivesmatter protesters, don't get me started on Ron paul either because what he went through was downright abuse and blatant propaganda on the part of the media.
the media is just paid off by the corporations sanders is against, not hard to see. especially with the last debate where there was clear favoritism for Clinton. I hear she's losing points in the polls recently because her bullshit is being exposed in a way the dumb public can understand though.

^ agreed that the american military won the vietnam war. But the american people didn't win anything. Neither did the vietnamese.

Does Trump really have some backbone? Or is he merely as his name implies, a trumpet.

:)
More like a parrot quoting Ayn Rand's ghost

Don't know about that. More like socialize costs and privatize gains as most others. He isn't that much libertarian. More a populist. He says whatever he believes people want to hear to get attention.



One unusual and interesting thing about Trump is he has a long history in business - in the business of paying off politicians who try to get things from him, shut him down, whatever.  

So this is a guy that knows exactly what it means that republicans and democrats are the same.  He knows the system, from a capitalist point of view.

It's certainly not an Ayn Rand point of view, because she thought that intelligent capitalists should go on strike, instead of working the system.

Anyway, he may just be a guy who would be able to reform the system.  Well....maybe.....

Have my doubts about that. Like you said he is working the system. He has been buying politicians to make them do what he wants. Maybe he can now be the president. Why would he want to change a system where he is so successful?


If Trump ever becomes King, I mean President, I wonder how long it will take Congress to impeach him?

:)
as long as it takes for each of them to grow a brain and find an actual politician suited for presidency.

Here is possibly the greatest problem of all. The coming collapse of the banking system.

We have a debt money system. Money is created whenever a loan is made by the banks. In other words, loans are not loans. The word "loan" is legal language to keep the people from understanding what the money system really is.

Since all but a tiny amount of the money that exists has been brought into existence through loan-money-creations, where can anybody ever get enough money to make the payments on the loans? If nothing else, once all the loan money has been paid back, where can we get money for the interest? After all, all the money has been borrowed. We must borrow more to pay the interest.

Back when the Federal Reserve banking system was small, this didn't mean anything. But now, the whole country operates on it. Congress doesn't understand this completely, but they understand it enough to know that we need to keep borrowing money just to stay afloat. More than that, the amount that needs to be borrowed has to be in line with the amount that we can repay, which is measured by the income taxes that they take in.

So, the candidate who has the best thoughts for borrowing money and getting enough money back to at least make payments on the loans that Government borrowed from the banks, he is the guy who is most likely to be set in place as president.

The creation of new money must balance the ability to repay. If it doesn't within the country, we need to take the whole process overseas to find people and nations who are willing and able (if ignorantly) to get into the debt money system. Even though this system is essentially a fake money system, it is one that if it collapsed at this stage, things would look very bad for the people in Congress at the time of the collapse.

Congress is literally pulling its hair out trying to outguess everything that might bring the money system down. And the funny thing is, first time Congress people are sworn to secrecy upon entering office. Even Ron Paul, who wants to do away with the Federal Reserve Bank, has not let the secret out in any way that is easy to put your finger on.

:)


Title: Re: Donald Trump says he will never quit US presidential race
Post by: xht on January 06, 2016, 08:01:42 PM
Maybe he will never quit but I hope that he won't win it
why not? The prospect that Trump could win it all has establishment Republicans increasingly nervous.