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Hello everyone.

I am from Russian province, small city on the Murmansk region. There are only +10C* two month on summer and -30C* 8 month winter.

I worked as a systems administrator, but in February 2012 dismissed, becouse our company has finished.

There is not work on our small city. There is no vacancies system admininstrator. I tried to find all possible vacancies, such as cleaner, courier, but no vacancies, no work.

My wife is no work too.

I took out a bank loan, I bought GPU cards. There is no shops on our small city, there is no secondary market, and I bought it in inernet-markets with high prices and high price delivery.

And there was many problems with start mining, such as long delivery; and there was problem with my builder-workers who builded my special balcony for mining (it was russian slovenliness, cheating and drunkenness of my builder-workers).

I planned to spend the profit from BTC mining to move to a warmer area to pursue farming agriculture such as potato, tomato (I'm tired of working for peanuts system admininstrator).

But now I owe money to three banks, $10000.

Now I have only $18 per a day from mining, $540 per month. But I owe the banks $ 600 a month (the half of this, $300 is monthly percents; and only the half, $ 300 is reduce debt).

If I'm selling my house, it will be only $6000 and I will owe the bank $4000.

If I'm selling my computers, GPU, it will be only $1500-2000, because there are many difficulties with the sale on my region.

Help me please.

1 BTC = 1 day food for me and my wife
2 BTC = 1/30 of my monthly debt banks

Thank you, thank you very very much!

PS. Sorry for my bad english language.

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Why not distill and sell Bitvodka?

Your knowleges about live in Russia is very bad.
If you are not russian mafia, distill and sell vodka is very short way for you to go to russian prison or to die by the hands of your beggar vodka-customers.
If you go to russian prison you will die or become handicapped person very fast.

Help me help me please!
Thank you, good gracious mister!

Honestly this is your own problem and I can't believe you have the balls to come here begging after you screwed up so badly.
Why should anyone give you their hard earned money when you couldn't even be bothered to use a calculator and do some rough figures before putting yourself into 10k worth of debt.... I am pretty gob smacked right now.

I'm sorry but you are stupid and I can't see you getting any sympathy around here.  :-\

Your story lacks pics, I am sure you have heard pics or it didnt happen.

My wife and my computers.

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Yes, it was the stupidest what I was doing in my life; now I'm smarter, but this does not decrease my bank-debt.  :'(

Yep, that's Russia all right.  

What are your electric rates over there?

What things are you interesting?

220 V.

0.05 $ per kW*h

Why not sell the gear?

Do what everyone else does, fly to mexico, come across our crappy borders. Shoot you could probably walk across without an issue cause you look white at one of the checkpoints. With 6,000$ you could easily get started and just find a job at a farming community somewhere.

I thought dude lived in Russia :P

Get a cheap flight to mexico, no biggie.

cheap flight would be $1000. :P Might as well pay some his loan off and get his wife some clothing :D

Good point, just saying if he wants to start over somewhere, I wouldn't just go to another part of russia.

There is no buyers for hardware in my region.
I advertised for sale some of my hardware such as computer cases, not used motherboards, sata-ssd's, power supply units, UPS. I advertised it in some region newspapers and sites.  My prices is 50% of new items. But no costumers. Oh oh, its all bad bad unhappiness.
There is Moscow the capital of Russia, where there is a life. And there is other Russia, where there no life and there no money.
The distance from Murmansk to Moscow is 2000 km.
Now I advertise my hardware lots on some russian sites, but usually move items from Moscow to the province and not the reverse.

Which sites where me and my wife could sell our homemade porn?
Is anybody like purchase our home porn video? BTC accepted, LTC accepted, PPC accepted.

Probably lots of places. None that I know of..

Just setup a quick little website.  Post sample videos to some of the popular video websites with a link to your website.  Sell them on your own site. 

Otherwise, I'm not sure about websites that specifically sell amateur stuff.  I'm sure there are tons of those out there.  I'm cheap, I don't buy porn lol  :D

You can sell your homemade porn on clips4sale.
Or stream on streamate, myfreecams, cam4btc.
Good luck!

Streaming with live shows is probably your best bet.  More $ to be made there, than just selling videos. 

A 3600/10000*100=36% loan? That's not a bank, that's Mafia. If it were a bank you need to get refinanced. If you put your house as collateral you can easily reduce the rate down to 5% ($41 interest per month), given you have a clean slate.

Now - this assumes that your story has an ounce of truth.

Yes, loan percent is 28-38% in different banks.

Russia is not USA.
http://lurkmore.so/images/9/9f/St.jpg
In Russia the word "government" and the word "mafia/outlaw/thief" are equal.

If you live in Russia and took a loan, you will be poor for a long long time. But I made a mistake because I am the stupidest.

Which any of these sites can I withdraw money in Russia?
Thanks!

You know there are moral obligations and there are legal obligations...
The place where I live, requesting a 36% interest on a loan per year is considered unconscionable. I advice you to find a lawyer.

Russian banks requesting 25-80% a loan per year.
Russian lawyers is very very high price but they are useless and stupid.

Then you don't have a money problem - you have a social problem. You need to find a way to resolve this without getting killed. What happens if you declare bankruptcy?

Good to know my counterparts overseas are just as respected there as we are here :)

In Russia there is no laws about bankruptcy individual person, it privilege of large wealthy organizations.

Unfortunately I don't know much about the existing laws in russia. But this doesn't make sense. Unless the only way to become debt free is to spent some prison time.

Dont drop the soap.

What's your hashrate? Looking at your setup (6830s? Really?), I'm guessing the US$18/day was before the reward splitting and you're about 5GH/s right now. Basically, I'd say you're about screwed. You picked cards with low resale value, so without knowing your setup it's hard to give good advice.

At this point, even with $0.05/kWh electricity you're going to be losing money after taking into account your interest payments. I would sell everything online and try to pay down the debt. Maybe you can get it to a more manageable level.

13 Gh/sec and 8000 kW*h per month (but I steal electricity at night, 25% monthly electricity). 8000-2000=6000 kW*h

Different GPU's 5xxx/6xxx/7xxx, overclocked.

Loan's from the mafia and steals electricity to help from going under. good job, you couldn't do that here with all the crazy smart meters.

Why aren't you posting on the Russian board. If anyone could help you out, it would be someone there.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=10.0

Just leave Russia.  You talk about how bad it is there. (I've never been to Russia, but I imagine it is pretty accurate to what you are describing.)  You don't have a job.  You're massively in debt beyond your ability to repay.  I'm sure there is some other country that would take you in that would be better.  


But curious.  What happens if you default on the loans?  You say there isn't a form of consumer bankruptcy over there. Does that mean there is a "debtor's prison"?  

That's one of the founding principles of the U.S.  You can't be put in jail just because you owe someone money.  (Except in the case of child support, which isn't being jailed for not paying a debt, it is being jailed for defying a court order, i.e. contempt.)

I don't understand why if you knew all of this about loans why you would take one out.

It's a good thing you have cheap electricity, 8000kWh a month is about 11kW constant draw. 1.17MH/J is pretty terrible. Even if it was free you won't be able to pay off your debt with the setup you have now. You might only have a few more weeks before ASICs hit and you have no appreciable income.

No prison, but take away all the property and large share of official income for a long years. It kills my dream about village home and plant potatoes. All my life I'll urban poor.

Russians don't have money.

In mother russia electricity buys you.

odesk.com?

It you have sysadmin/programming skills, sell them...

I don't think you will pay taxes over them and I think that 500$/month should be easy to do..

Do some extra nasty shit that no others do....

However, you can be put into jail for fraud, i.e. if the debt is not due to unforeseen circumstances. Usually "not unforeseen" means intentional, but can also mean that you took too much of a financial risk (e.g. taking out a loan and going All-in on number 7 in a game of roulette).

Then it's similar to other jurisdictions.

You made a bad choice and now don't want to suffer the consequences. I don't support that.

However, here's my piece of advice: Put all those precious bitcoins you mined into a save place (read about Armory offline wallets, brain wallets). Liquidize your mining equipment. Talk to the bank about getting out of that bad contract. Tell them, if together you can not come up with a solution (e.g. a lower interest rate, maybe 5%) you will likely to go bankrupt, which means they won't see any money at all. (However, they may know about your assets, which removes that bargaining power). You may have to add additional owners to your house to protect it against forced liquidation.

Not everybody is in the position to benefit from the evolution of the bitcoin mining market. You're in a bad spot: Expensive money, bad technical advice and no privileged access to modern mining equipment (ASICs). The only advantage you have is low power costs. But that's not enough. The only business model which would have made sense is to offer mining equipment hosting, i.e. let other people buy the mining hardware and carry the risk of hardware deprecation. You then only charge a hosting fee.

Now we're talkin'. I'm bookin' a flight to Russia.

~Sex with Al~

See.. You could make big bucks. Russian couple vs. Al the Alpaca in "Bestiality"

I have no idea what you're up against personally, but how about this:  Seek employment in Moscow, if that's where the jobs are  - but sell what you can before leaving the house behind in order to save up funds for a month of living expenses.  Go to Moscow with the video cards, have sales of them lined-up to pay your bills until you can find a job (one more month of living expenses).  Work and just hope that bitcoin prices go up enough to pay off the loan sharks.  If not, then you're screwed anyway, right?  At least you'll be screwed in Moscow or wherever the jobs are.

Because the guy needs advice. Money won't help him avoiding stupid decisions.

Why do we care?  What gives credibility to this plea for BTC?   This:

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I understand that the GPUs generate heat, and that's why your wife is OK with only wearing her underwear, but Maniac... Why is she standing on a stool?

I just hope your wife has some thermally appropriate clothing when the GPUs are powered down.  

You must be American. But your points are valid.

She is standing on a stool because it doing photo "rigs and wife" more beautiful in close small balcony.

I am stupid province IT, no high skills.

Thank you very much for the help! I'll try something like that if I finally cornered.

Thank you very much mr. who send me 0.00016 BTC !!!

Thank you very much mr. who send me 0.00005 BTC !!!

Cool, you only need to do 200'000 posts to reach 10BTC at this rate.

I will tell you a secret.

Many skilled IT pros work from home, using a thing called Internet.

Lies stick to the dog fights and wife pimping.

Thank you thank you very much kindest man who send me 2 BTC!!!
It is food for me and my wife for a 2 days!
All the coins (BTC, LTC) that I'll mining these two days will be used to repay the loans directly to the bank (Pool - Trade (btc-e.com) - Bank) !!!
Thank you, Mr.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you Mr. who send me 0.0001 BTC !

Thank you, Mr. who send me 0.00069 BTC !

Thank you, Mr. who send me 0.00000069 BTC !

Thank you, Mr. who send me 0.00000001 BTC !

People are nice. That's good. :)

How about seeking a loan on bitcoin forums?

Pay back your debt. Borrow at 10% a year from someone on bitcoin forums.

What could possibly go wrong?  ;D

Maniac you are absolutely and totally screwed on the mining hardware

www.butterflylabs.com/

if you look there, you will see that 60 GH units sell for about $1299.
So for about $10,000 you can get 420 GH of mining power.
And these units only use 60 watts each.

So you only would need 420 watts of power to get about 84X the mining power.

GPU is going to be completely obsolete.

Why didn't you throw $10,000 at these units?
You could of ordered these many many months ago.
And you will be a early adopter.

Its not that your stupid. Its that you did the wrong thing with your money!

I alone did once spent $4K on bitcoin mining hardware it was about 12 months ago.
And in the end I ended up paying fairly close to even, and basically got free graphic cards.
I wished that I didn't sell them out, and kept mining for a year. I would of by now with 3.3 GH
ended up with $5K or so, of a year of mining time from today to a year in the past.

I sold about one year ago all my mining equipment. And since recently paid for 2X60H units from butterfly labs.

How do they run? Everything good?

I put the wrong word, I meant *paid.

Butterfly labs has honored their past of 832 Mhash units and I have ran one of these in the past.
I will be receiving these in around Jan 2013.

You probably didn't read the whole OP.
He needs the money, and he needs it NOW, those mining ASIC's are fairy tales, eveybody believes that it's real, but no one has seen one at all.

This is a dangerous statement to propagate specifically because of the problem the OP is facing. If everyone listened to this, then they would invest in GPUs and FPGAs and then in a few months would be left holding a bunch of hardware that everyone else would be dumping.

Yes, these units are not available yet, but unless you have real and concrete proof that they are not coming out of at least one of the 4 vendors who are working on them, then you really should not talk with such certainty.

Sometimes to get your point across, you need a little knocking on the head  :)

Besides I haven't included yellow fonts, those are the most annoying to read!

To be honnest I did the whole thing randomly, and god damn is it annoying to read lol.

I was trying to read your reply, and the yellow fonts hurt my eyes  :D

Talk nerdy to me.

I know that one day those ASIC's will come out, but until then, they're are faity tales, and you can't prove wrong.
This is some discussion like if God is real, there is no proof of existence, but most believe in it.
And saying to how to correct the past doesn't help anyone. Focus on saying something that really helps, fontlord... err, I mean lightlord.

False, they are ATM working on prototypes, and by definition prototypes aren't fairy tails, You can feel them with your hand.
Fairy tails you can't see, touch, etc.

Btw its *fairy* and not *faity*

Prototypes are things that are claimed to exist on closed doors that you CAN'T SEE NEITHER TOUCH.
The company says that, you just believe, like *Minor Edit here* Genesis on The Bible.

BTW it's *tales*, not *tails*

You are implying that every single ASIC company is a fairy tale.
Even if there are over 10 or so. I don't know the exact number.
But I have seen several and due to the difficulty increase
its more then likely that some people are already running a few
to earn some cash on the side. That is working types and
not fairy tales.

BTW you have splice comma. *that, you...*

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_splice
http://www.utoronto.ca/ucwriting/commasplice.html

The companies aren't fairy tales. I claim that their products are.
I'm not saying that they gonna scam everybody, I'm just saying that, today, those f*cking chips doesn't exist.

BTW English isn't my native language, so I don't give a shit about it.

Sure, they don't exist. But you can't plan a business on the hope that they will continue to not exist. There is every indication that this guy's investment in his GPU rigs won't generate 18 cents/day (factoring power cost) within a few months. Running around comparing ASICs to mythological beings is hazardous to other people's ability to make smart decisions with their money. No one is genetically engineering fairies right now, but people are designing ASIC processing machines.

As I already said: I know this whole thing already, I'm not a BTC newbie, I claimed that because he needs the money NOW.

:-\

hows it going Maniac?

do you have money for food?

your parents / family can't help you out?

Sadly, this.  Libertarians do not value sympathy or basic human rights, only property and money.

I am not a libertarian, I actually do not vote at all. My sympathy is in short supply in this case due to him pimping his wife out. Despicable. You could fix your situation easily, passport + flight to wherever with the money you make from the sale of your stuff would be the right way to go before you would ever stoop to that level.

Happy New Year!
Is Santa Claus exist?

Please send me some bitcoins, litecoins or ppcoins.

Thanx.

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Total Received   0.0010007 BTC

 ;D

I'm sorry, I laughed, I'm going to hell

Thank you mister, who send me 100.123456 ppcoins in december! Thank you thank you very much!

Unknown benefactor send me 2 BTC in December, 9.

1 BTC = food per a 1 one day for me and my wife

Thank you thank you unknown good man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111one

Send me naked pics/porn with your wife and il cough up some Bitcoins.

This is so wrong. Libertarians value SELF RESPONSIBILITY. And we also value generosity and CHARITY as long as it is not forced (I.E. through taxes).

This poor russian should not have taken a terrible loan, I mean WTF $300 in INTEREST ALONE? When he also pays close to $400 a month?

 This doesnt sound like a bank loan, more like a shark loan to me!

This reminds me of a story ::):

"Man is hungry. He steal bread to feed family. Get home, find all family have sent Siberia! “More bread for me,” man think. But bread have worm."

Russian Joke:

What one potato say to another potato?

Premise ridiculous, who have two potato?

Look now.

@OP: MP reprinted your story (http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/mining-an-age-old-story/), with some commentary. Apparently he loved Murmansk a decade or so ago on account of people being very poor but very willing.

THANK YOU MY KINDEST BENEFACTOR WHO SEND ME 5(!!!) BTC!
Thank you thank you Mister!!!
Santa Claus is exist!
In January 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 me and my wife can eating food that we will pay this BTC (converted to russian money). All other BTC that my computers mining that 5 days will paid loan!
Me and my wife will be able to move into the village and we will not have hunger since we will plant potatoes!!!

I do not understand what site is it and why my story copy-pasted here and what comment want to say?

My dad is died and my wife's dad is died.
My mother do not have money to send me, she is living other city and contains my little brother.
My wife's mother is living other city and contains my wife's little brother and my wife's little sister. She send us $30 per month, but she's pension only $300 per month.

Man, I'm really sorry for your situation. It seems you are really fucked up. But I think ask money in a forum isn't helpful. Here are nerds, libertarians, scammers, etc. No one here is so rich, everyone is trying to make money, as you tried and failed. If your family can't help, you made a very risky move and now begging on the Internet, specially in a Bitcoin forum where a lot of people are traumatized with scams (including me) only makes you look like just another scammer...


Good luck mate!

It speaks for itself or else it gets the hose again.

Okay so I will send you 0.5btc to are your wifes tits. I can only assume she would be willing since you posted her in her undies. just sayin'. I mean I'm sure I won't be impressed or showing my friends but hey. bitches gadda work for you right?


Jesus Christ I've seen and read it all now

Said the gypse.  ;D

What is gypse?  ;D

I meant to type gypsy. because MPOE is Romanian is I am not mistaken.

Only jokes  ;)

Nope.  She's an American who's been living in Romania for the last few years (which doesn't preclude Romanian ancestry, but her home country is the US).

Dude you i can send you my wifes tits for 0.5 btc lol

Lmfao, maybe before I was married I'd be down. I just really don't get what I was looking at. "I'll have my wife in the picture" did he pull her ass out of bed and say "Alright baby show these yanks and euros your love handles so we can get some coin".

I know it seems rather trolling what I said... because maybe it was.... I just don't get it. he's hungry he needs to pay his water bill... if I'm hungry now I'm not going to want to wait to exchange BTC. I'd be asking for paypal or the likes ya know?

Shit I'd be asking for people just to ship my ass a can of Nescafe and a fuckin frozen breakfast sandwich.. Jus sayin' I mean.... yeah I wouldn't be plastering my wife up like that.

sadly i was trolling too, i dont have any pics of her (yet :trlfc:)
sometimes i wish i had boobs thou

I realise this debt has been inflated by shitty interest rates, but it still horrifies me that someone owes more than the value of their home (on which they also owe money) on loans they took out to buy mining hardware.  It's even worse when I do a comparison and realise that it's like someone here who still owes $200,000 on their $300,000 home (a cheap home in my area) borrowing half a million dollars to spend on mining hardware.  That's the insane level of risk involved in this venture, which I assume was driven by sheer desperation.

Even worse is that it sounds like food is expensive there relative to home prices.


It's not all that simple to get small amounts to someone in Russia.  I do wonder how the OP is managing to cash out small amounts of BTC in order to buy food and pay bills, though.

http://gigaom.com/2012/03/30/eastern-promise-paypals-ambitious-plans-for-russia/

I understand your difficulties, I was living out of my car for about a half year, shaving at mcdonalds and eating raw food occasionally, ended up getting sick one night because of that and had no way to cook it. And taking care of an ex's boyfriend at the same time. I had suddenly become unemployed. I am now starting from the ground up again, I started beginning a new project of mine which will hopefully become very popular. I'm definitely hoping that the economy makes a turnaround.

the more I read this the more I.can't help but scream scam. I hope not but... the vent has an excuse for everything. He can't talk to a lawyer because not only are they over priced but they are stupid.

He can't contract online for a job he in the beginning said he was able to do. he can't under sell his computer parts because he had no response. The family's are of no help for yet another excuse.

And hell It's on and on! I imagine his country is fucked but when was it so fucked it seemed to need sally struthers? for real something isn't right here.

This could be a "funny scam" (the wife in her underwear holding up GPUs made me wonder) but it seems pretty real...

I can identify with a lot of what he's saying about living in a rural area with no opportunities. I used to live out in the middle of nowhere. There were NO jobs other than gas station attendant or chicken-fryer. The area has the worst education in the entire US and one of the highest unemployment rates. When you live in a place like that you deal with problems that most people could never dream of. The internet can go down unexpectedly and everyone has to do without. A snow storm can break power lines and you may be without electricity in the dead of winter for days. If you have a high level of technical skill (e.g., programmer / software engineer) your skills simply go unused. You get very sick and you might just have to go without a doctor. When you live in a place like this and have no money and no reliable transportation you are screwed... When one thing goes wrong then EVERYTHING goes wrong. Problems pile up on top of each other and it's overwhelming... you get to where you can't even think straight anymore and you're scared to do anything for fear of worsening the problem.

The only solution I see for the OP is getting the hell out of there. He needs to get online and sell that mining equipment, take what's left and LEAVE... He doesn't have a job there anymore so there's no point in staying.

how it ended? paid his debt or sitting in jail?

I paid about 50% of my loan.
Thank you very much for all who sent me coins! All handouts in the amount equal to my 1 weekly income!

I sold my apartment in the bad cold city and moved to the village in a slightly warmer region.

Now brutal Russian winter and I did not have enough money for wall insulation. Farms can not warm the house during the Russian winter.

Look at my wife's position in the last photo, she is cold.

Help me, good people. Thank you.

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