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Title: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on December 14, 2015, 10:57:57 PM
So, we've all pretty much seen it all when it comes to new gambling websites that are coming out now and days.  From P2P games like blackjack and poker, to provably fair lotteries and dice sites... different types of sports gambling games are also starting to pick up interest in the bitcoin world which is also a very good thing.  All of these are well and good, and while I do like to frequent some of these sites when it's a rainy day; it leaves me to think about what new possibilities are out there for new entertaining games that casinos will implement in the near future.

I keep frequenting the gambling section just to see if there were any new games and ways to gamble that have been recently made, and really, it's all just the same thing... people predicting sports picks, best ways to play dice, etc. etc.

Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: BetKing.io on December 14, 2015, 11:20:52 PM
I've actually been working on a new game on BetKing.io that I hope to release before Christmas or new year.
It's poker related.
Subscribe to the Bet King thread to get updates.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=910134.0


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: mtnsaa on December 14, 2015, 11:24:11 PM
I can speak only of Bitcoin, but I would like to see a Bitcoin's Poker Stars or something to that extent, so live texas hold'em. I had the idea of developing a Bitcoin's FanDuel/DraftKings type of site but it involved plenty of work and money, that would be another.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on December 14, 2015, 11:41:14 PM
I can speak only of Bitcoin, but I would like to see a Bitcoin's Poker Stars or something to that extent, so live texas hold'em. I had the idea of developing a Bitcoin's FanDuel/DraftKings type of site but it involved plenty of work and money, that would be another.

Yeah and that's another thing that I kind of wanted to point out that's a problem for lots of people who have great ideas, but don't know how to package them or sell them themselves; case in point, they are people with great ideas but don't know how to code a mediocre site that has a built in API and can withstand a descent amount of traffic. Even with me personally, I would have no idea how to go about coding my own site, because I don't do that kind of thing for a living and only frequent here because learning about bitcoin is just a hobby of mine and not my source of income... and because of that, every now and then I like to have fun and gamble.

So maybe along with this speculation, we can sort of talk about how to teach or give suggestions to people that do actually have good ideas on what they should do.

Idk, personally I'm just tired of seeing the same type of threads in the gambling section of the forum and want to pick peoples brains of what they think should be implemented to make gambling safer and more fun for everyone. 


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: calkob on December 14, 2015, 11:54:45 PM
lets face it Gambling isnt knew so it's hard to think of a new game that dosnt involve the classics like poker and dice.  A game we play in ireland is called pitch and toss where you toss a coin an the person that gets closest to ta wall is the winner, might be hard to relicate in computing tho..... :P


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on December 15, 2015, 12:00:27 AM
lets face it Gambling isnt knew so it's hard to think of a new game that dosnt involve the classics like poker and dice.  A game we play in ireland is called pitch and toss where you toss a coin an the person that gets closest to ta wall is the winner, might be hard to relicate in computing tho..... :P

Hahah, that's actually a pretty cool game, is it more just trying to get a coin closest to the wall without touching it?

And going back to what you said, yeah I understand that gambling is a very old hobby, and it's hard to get away from the norms.  I just believe that people have a lot of cool ideas, and just don't know what to do to get it to become a reality.  Plus, if someone were to make a really new type of game that hasn't really been done before in the online gambling industry, and only accepts cryptos like bitcoin, it will boost more popularity toward bitcoin and thus lead more people into wanting to get into Bitcoin in the first place.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: KnightTrader on December 15, 2015, 12:06:27 AM
There are some new unique games like chopcoin.io, but they are not really attracting players. It is really hard to invent new games. Oldest known game is Backgammon what is still one of the best.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: patt0 on December 15, 2015, 12:22:51 AM
There are some "fresh" things as well. I really enjoy the bomberman game that is being announced in this forum. I hope to see some more arcade skill games to follow up.
There is another one really good, that is a site with blured images and people keep trying to guess the image and "buy hints". The winner gets all.

It's hard to come up with new ideas, but some good things happen now and then. I want to see how these to develop and I really hope some more arcade games show up.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Superhitech on December 15, 2015, 01:36:50 AM
I think that the next big thing will be something really engaging to play, not just a basic dice game where you just see outcomes of numbers. I also think that once someone comes up with a really good idea for a PvP game and has enough funds to advertise it, the game could take off. The PvP games currently available are somewhat innovative, but they don't have enough money to spend on advertising so not many people know about their site.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: sir_lanka on December 15, 2015, 03:07:04 AM
Gaminfication with some randomness.

For example a pinball game where you get paid in proportion to your result compared to the players before you.

It will be imortant to find the right balance between skill and randomness. Slots only include luck so people know they canīt beat it long term. Chess only includes skill. A medioker chess player will win every time against a bad one. The bad ones will quickly realize how bad they are and quick. Poker is closer to the right balance between skill and luck. Pros play because they know they can beat the game. Recreationals play because itīs fun and they often overestimate their skill and blame their losses on bad luck. Most recreationals try to improve their game, they have a dream of becoming a pro.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Harpua on December 15, 2015, 03:18:12 AM
I feel like I have a really good idea for a game that no one has tried yet, and have tried in the past to gather some people to go in on a partnership with me to get it developed and to get it up and working.  The only problem is, is that there is really no interest from people who can code to get all this stuff set up without knowing if it's going to be a huge success or not.  I've tried in the past talking with some people about getting a plan together, but people just tend to be very skeptical... Since I can't really protect my idea if I start explaining the concept in full detail, I'm just going to wait until maybe sometime in the future, I will learn how to code and create my own website.  I guess it's the only way this would be possible for me to start my own gambling website, because of the fact that I can't afford to pay someone 5,10,20 BTC to code something for me, I just simply can't afford that... and also the fact that there really isn't really any "premium" of any kind on ideas where coders will be willing to give me a reasonable chunk of the profits from the site deters me from trying to make my idea come to life.

Unfortunate, because I really believe this would be a fun game for everyone with insane winnings if the person who plaid were to win (not a "lottery" though).


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: EngiNerd on December 15, 2015, 03:22:41 AM
I can speak only of Bitcoin, but I would like to see a Bitcoin's Poker Stars or something to that extent, so live texas hold'em.

Yes. As a US resident, I'd love to see this happen. Surely live bitcoin poker has to exist somewhere?


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: pokerowned on December 15, 2015, 03:45:08 AM
Most people arent gonna post their ideas here because if they do theres a chance some guy steals the idea and makes the game they were want ing to make.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: eternalgloom on December 15, 2015, 03:46:19 AM
So, we've all pretty much seen it all when it comes to new gambling websites that are coming out now and days.  From P2P games like blackjack and poker, to provably fair lotteries and dice sites... different types of sports gambling games are also starting to pick up interest in the bitcoin world which is also a very good thing.  All of these are well and good, and while I do like to frequent some of these sites when it's a rainy day; it leaves me to think about what new possibilities are out there for new entertaining games that casinos will implement in the near future.

I keep frequenting the gambling section just to see if there were any new games and ways to gamble that have been recently made, and really, it's all just the same thing... people predicting sports picks, best ways to play dice, etc. etc.

Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"
I have to agree with you there, the last couple of weeks I'm seeing the same kinds of threads over and over again. Nice to see something different, I'll have a go. :)

I'm a fan of new games that incorporate concepts of Bitcoin in it, for example those mining games or predictions based on the Bitcoin price or difficulty, satoshimines comes to mind, but I'd like to see some new fresh ideas in that area (games based on Bitcoin, the blockchain).

I'd also like to see more pvp skill games (either new or existing games) with a gambling aspect, not really something new, but it's definitely something that hasn't really caught on yet by the big public (with the exception of poker). I'm thinking of tournaments with a jackpot consisting of entry fees. So that's something I hope will be the next big thing.

Most people arent gonna post their ideas here because if they do theres a chance some guy steals the idea and makes the game they were want ing to make.

I don't think that's necessarily true, I think there are enough people with great ideas, who have no interest whatsoever in starting a gambling site themselves. Just regular customers can give great insight in what they want and what would be popular.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on December 15, 2015, 03:54:52 AM
I feel like I have a really good idea for a game that no one has tried yet, and have tried in the past to gather some people to go in on a partnership with me to get it developed and to get it up and working.  The only problem is, is that there is really no interest from people who can code to get all this stuff set up without knowing if it's going to be a huge success or not.  I've tried in the past talking with some people about getting a plan together, but people just tend to be very skeptical... Since I can't really protect my idea if I start explaining the concept in full detail, I'm just going to wait until maybe sometime in the future, I will learn how to code and create my own website.  I guess it's the only way this would be possible for me to start my own gambling website, because of the fact that I can't afford to pay someone 5,10,20 BTC to code something for me, I just simply can't afford that... and also the fact that there really isn't really any "premium" of any kind on ideas where coders will be willing to give me a reasonable chunk of the profits from the site deters me from trying to make my idea come to life.

Unfortunate, because I really believe this would be a fun game for everyone with insane winnings if the person who plaid were to win (not a "lottery" though).

You bring up a really good point here, and yeah... this is a good place to ask for questions in general about how one would go about getting their ideas to "come to life".  I believe there is so much room for innovation in the gaming experience, and there has to be a realization that not all good coders who can create these games have the best ideas, per se.


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Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"
I have to agree with you there, the last couple of weeks I'm seeing the same kinds of threads over and over again. Nice to see something different, I'll have a go. :)

I'm a fan of new games that incorporate concepts of Bitcoin in it, for example those mining games or predictions based on the Bitcoin price or difficulty, satoshimines comes to mind, but I'd like to see some new fresh ideas in that area (games based on Bitcoin, the blockchain).

I'd also like to see more pvp skill games (either new or existing games) with a gambling aspect, not really something new, but it's definitely something that hasn't really caught on yet by the big public (with the exception of poker). I'm thinking of tournaments with a jackpot consisting of entry fees. So that's something I hope will be the next big thing.

I'm not quite sure if I have seen this somewhere before, but I believe there was a site that was promoting itself for doing exactly that. I want to say it was PevPot, and I think one of the more trusted members on this side of the forum, RHavar, created it. It's basically a lottery type system that issues "tickets" out based on how much you bet... after X amount of blocks have been solved, it uses the next block to decide who wins the pot (that part I still don't quite understand).

Not quite sure if there are any other sites that uses the blockchain as a form of gambling, but a neat concept overall. Keep 'em coming! :)


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: yahoo62278 on December 15, 2015, 03:58:59 AM
I would like to see a bitcoin pinball game myself. Im sure it would be a coders nightmare to acheive but if someone made a good one id damn sure play it


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on December 15, 2015, 04:07:08 AM
I would like to see a bitcoin pinball game myself. Im sure it would be a coders nightmare to acheive but if someone made a good one id damn sure play it

I think it's safe to say that anyone would really Yahoo, lol. There's a huge market that's available for people that can code this sort of stuff.  A lot of people like "retro-esque" arcade games.

I think it would be even cooler if someone were to make a game like that, where it doesn't necessarily require you to sign up for anything either... I mean, I would think you would want to make it as "life like" as possible, and last time I played pinball at some arcade (or bar for that matter) I don't remember having to give the machine my email address and that sort of thing.  So it would be nice just to be able to send coins "in" the machine, just like you would quarters, and start playing... If you win, that's awesome you can keep playing or withdraw (probably with a fee).


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: RHavar on December 15, 2015, 05:02:25 AM
I'm not quite sure if I have seen this somewhere before, but I believe there was a site that was promoting itself for doing exactly that. I want to say it was PevPot, and I think one of the more trusted members on this side of the forum, RHavar, created it. It's basically a lottery type system that issues "tickets" out based on how much you bet... after X amount of blocks have been solved, it uses the next block to decide who wins the pot (that part I still don't quite understand).

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it uses the next block to decide who wins the pot (that part I still don't quite understand).

At it's core a block hash is for all intents and purposes a (very big) random number between 0 and <block target>. So all pevpot does is use that to decide who won the lottery. There's some fancy stuff like stretching the block to prevent miners from being able to cheat, but at it's core it's quite nice. The whole point of the blockchain is so we can come to consensus, so with a well-defined lottery procedure, we can unambiguously pick winner.

I think it's pretty cool how pevpot can offer a RTP of >100%  (compared to state lotteries that do 50% or something) but it doesn't offer the instant-feedback that most gamblers want, I think


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: RHavar on December 15, 2015, 05:12:55 AM
My thoughts:

* Provably fair is huge. Why would anyone want to go back to having to trust (and not be sure)? But verifying provably fair is a huge PITA, and almost no one does it. So I think we'll see more automated provably fair checking (e.g. with a browser plugin)

* House edges are going to go down. One of the biggest reasons bustabit gets such huge volumes (i think 2nd, after PD) is just because the house edge is very low. Even if you can't notice it (you really can't) it means you get a shit load more variance, and the same amount of money lasts a lot longer. I have a theory, that if a casino is not bankroll constraint (e.g. can offer the same limits) they'd might make more money with a 0.1% house edge, than a 1% (i.e. they might > x10 their volume). Just a nascent thought though.

* Pure skill games (e.g. chess) will unfortunately never become big in gambling. Even if you can solve the bot problems (which is dubious), just the difference between pro-level and punters will always be too big. And the pro-level people like to make money, not gamble. Skill games with a lot of noise (e.g. poker, or bustabit) will do well though

* We'll see more betting-exchange type stuff

* We'll see some 0-house-edge sites. No sane operator can or will back the other side of bets, but it could be done with efficient match-making, somehow. I guess the site could make money with a commission (e.g. 10% of profits you made) ?


Disclaimer: Don't trust me, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've completely fucked up and misjudged the market twice with dustdice and pevpot


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Yakamoto on December 15, 2015, 05:32:45 AM
I want to believe that skill-based games will be a new thing, but it seems like they won't be a big thing because there will always be someone who will have more of an edge. It seems like luck is the main thing gamblers want to see.

I think the next thing in online gambling, however, will most likely be fancier slot/dice machines, or we might see thing like coin pushers become a thing, even though that is far harder to do than is probably worth it.

As it currently stands, the Bitcoin gambling scene is fairly saturated with basic sites, and it'll take someone making something flashier to convince anyone to switch whatever site they're comfortable with.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: eternalgloom on December 15, 2015, 05:35:15 AM
I want to believe that skill-based games will be a new thing, but it seems like they won't be a big thing because there will always be someone who will have more of an edge. It seems like luck is the main thing gamblers want to see.

I think the next thing in online gambling, however, will most likely be fancier slot/dice machines, or we might see thing like coin pushers become a thing, even though that is far harder to do than is probably worth it.

As it currently stands, the Bitcoin gambling scene is fairly saturated with basic sites, and it'll take someone making something flashier to convince anyone to switch whatever site they're comfortable with.
For skill based gambling games to work you'd need some popular network that hosts different kinds of games.
Something like what Pokerstars is for online poker.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on December 15, 2015, 07:38:50 AM

Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"

If someone is bored enough movie based video arcade games
Imagines ideas like star wars related pinball etc. Or it could be possible that arcade variants appear, that said the market tends to saturate amongst certain type of games so perhaps more plinko type games may appear as well.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: mrcashking on December 15, 2015, 07:50:24 AM
I think the biggest thing already exists and is Dice without a doubt but some addition to it which might be the next big thing could be a no house dice or a negligible percentage of house edge.
i don't think people are interested in hundreds of new games anymore they need simplicity with a highest chance to win some coins.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: edmundduke on December 15, 2015, 08:33:08 AM
Not really sure what the next big thing is because people are so attached to the old games that it is pretty hard to come out with something fresh. Even if new games get some traction the big players still play the games they like and that is unlikely to change.
I guess PVP games will enter the field a bit more but most of the gambling world will remain the same.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Patatas on December 15, 2015, 08:53:44 AM
I was thinking to start the game of 3 cards.The same one they play in Lock ,Stock and Two Smoking Barrels .This will change the gambling scenario as you won't play against any bots or any provably fair stuff.The cards will be distributed by an escrow who will held all your funds and accordingly two players can bet with each other real time.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: LFC_Bitcoin on December 15, 2015, 09:37:53 AM
It's too late now because the football season is underway but some kind of a fantasy football competition would be cool.

Everybody pays to enter 1 team & the winner gets the combined bounty at the end of the season. Not sure if people know what I mean by fantasy football but there are several well known one's online.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: edmundduke on December 15, 2015, 09:41:22 AM
It's too late now because the football season is underway but some kind of a fantasy football competition would be cool.

Everybody pays to enter 1 team & the winner gets the combined bounty at the end of the season. Not sure if people know what I mean by fantasy football but there are several well known one's online.

Hmmm i wouldn't actually mind if someone was to make one for bitcoin. It could be pretty cool, same for basketball and hockey also.
This i could see happening because they wouldn't have to "reinvent the wheel" but they could just modify it a bit and accept BTC if it was handled by someone trustworthy it could be very cool.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Slark on December 15, 2015, 09:43:16 AM
I doubt that we will see some new game which will take over the market. Standard casino games are known for centuries and people still enjoy them a lot.
I think next big thing in gambling will be linked to esports or gaming industry in general. Potentially we could see some AAA title with gambling mechanic introduced.
And seeing how esports and gaming world is rapidly evolving I think it would be question of 'when' rather than 'if'.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Buziss on December 15, 2015, 10:06:42 AM
I doubt that we will see some new game which will take over the market. Standard casino games are known for centuries and people still enjoy them a lot.

I am kind of with a different opinion with you here. While standard games (roulette, BJ, slots, sports betting, poker, etc) are still popular in the bitcoin gambling industry, the most popular game is dice and the bustabit game. The dice game is just another game of chance but the exact way it works (10000 possible outcome from 0.00 to 99.99 and players can choose whatever multipliers they want) is something nonexistence in brick and mortar casinos or traditional online casinos. The BAB game, on the other hand, is completely new AFAIK. With these in mind, I would not be surprised if one day someone invents a new fun game and get a big share of the gambling market.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on December 15, 2015, 12:58:24 PM
It's too late now because the football season is underway but some kind of a fantasy football competition would be cool.

Everybody pays to enter 1 team & the winner gets the combined bounty at the end of the season. Not sure if people know what I mean by fantasy football but there are several well known one's online.

Hmmm i wouldn't actually mind if someone was to make one for bitcoin. It could be pretty cool, same for basketball and hockey also.
This i could see happening because they wouldn't have to "reinvent the wheel" but they could just modify it a bit and accept BTC if it was handled by someone trustworthy it could be very cool.

Personally I see this as the new big frontier for Bitcoin gambling. There's still a lot of room out there for new types of sports gambling games and sites to be created... Something like fantasy sports for every sport would be a very nice diverse option from the normal sports gambling sites that are out there right now.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: sir_lanka on December 15, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
It's too late now because the football season is underway but some kind of a fantasy football competition would be cool.

Everybody pays to enter 1 team & the winner gets the combined bounty at the end of the season. Not sure if people know what I mean by fantasy football but there are several well known one's online.
Daily Fantasy has much bigger potential than season lenght.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: dogedice.me on December 15, 2015, 05:57:08 PM

* House edges are going to go down. One of the biggest reasons bustabit gets such huge volumes (i think 2nd, after PD) is just because the house edge is very low. Even if you can't notice it (you really can't) it means you get a shit load more variance, and the same amount of money lasts a lot longer. I have a theory, that if a casino is not bankroll constraint (e.g. can offer the same limits) they'd might make more money with a 0.1% house edge, than a 1% (i.e. they might > x10 their volume). Just a nascent thought though.


I would disagree on this. Most gamblers' mind barely can see the difference, but increasing HE on just 0.5% would allow casino to provide much more regular rewards, higher rakebacks and various events with prizes. Which would attract more gamblers even from casinos with lower HE %.

Regards,
Alex.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: dogedice.me on December 15, 2015, 06:11:13 PM
My 2 cents..

#1 Mobile first. We have almost 25% mobile gamblers. With latest flash decline and canceled flash support by Adobe, we will see huge increase of mobile games like slots, blackjack and other card games.

#2 Professional service. Dice sites are dying. I think most casino owners would agree with me on this. To survive you need to pivot to a casino. It would require professional service, support, marketing, developers and designers. Each of them costs a lot of money, unless you are doing some lame product on bootstrap. (yeah, it's about BitDice too). And let's be clear, most dice site's doesn't generate money. By money I mean at least 30k USD monthly. Less is barely can be a business. And what is more important revenues should be stable, month to month.

#3 Engage. To make casino more attractive you need to engage gamblers in casino's life. Make a community. Levels, achievements, gamification, multiplayer games, like our slope which has failed, but we learned how we can make it worked and it will be on with our next version.

Regards,
Alex.



Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: BetKing.io on December 15, 2015, 06:40:57 PM
My 2 cents..

#1 Mobile first. We have almost 25% mobile gamblers. With latest flash decline and canceled flash support by Adobe, we will see huge increase of mobile games like slots, blackjack and other card games.

#2 Professional service. Dice sites are dying. I think most casino owners would agree with me on this. To survive you need to pivot to a casino. It would require professional service, support, marketing, developers and designers. Each of them costs a lot of money, unless you are doing some lame product on bootstrap. (yeah, it's about BitDice too). And let's be clear, most dice site's doesn't generate money. By money I mean at least 30k USD monthly. Less is barely can be a business. And what is more important revenues should be stable, month to month.

#3 Engage. To make casino more attractive you need to engage gamblers in casino's life. Make a community. Levels, achievements, gamification, multiplayer games, like our slope which has failed, but we learned how we can make it worked and it will be on with our next version.

Regards,
Alex.



Agree with most of this. Bet King has pivoted a few times in the 2.5+ years and it does look like dice is on the decline, seems some sites fake their stats in this regard.

Even with BK having one of if not the highest betting limits of any Bitcoin site when it comes to roulette it still hasn't seen much wagered. Obviously there could be improvements to the design, features and sounds but it is still better looking than most of the other popular Bitcoin sites roulette game.

In the new year Bet King will get a big update for casino, poker and sports (I'd like to add DFS at some point too) as well as some other ideas I've hinted at before.
 


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: KenR on December 15, 2015, 07:00:28 PM
My 2 cents..

#1 Mobile first. We have almost 25% mobile gamblers. With latest flash decline and canceled flash support by Adobe, we will see huge increase of mobile games like slots, blackjack and other card games.

Totally agree with that. I only gamble on my phone because im too lazy to turn my computer on just to open a gamble website :P
If the game doesnt fit my screen or doesnt work on my phone I wouldnt play that game at all. The first impression on my mobile phone tells me if I will play it in the future.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: mtnsaa on December 17, 2015, 06:03:17 PM
My 2 cents..

#1 Mobile first. We have almost 25% mobile gamblers. With latest flash decline and canceled flash support by Adobe, we will see huge increase of mobile games like slots, blackjack and other card games.

#2 Professional service. Dice sites are dying. I think most casino owners would agree with me on this. To survive you need to pivot to a casino. It would require professional service, support, marketing, developers and designers. Each of them costs a lot of money, unless you are doing some lame product on bootstrap. (yeah, it's about BitDice too). And let's be clear, most dice site's doesn't generate money. By money I mean at least 30k USD monthly. Less is barely can be a business. And what is more important revenues should be stable, month to month.

#3 Engage. To make casino more attractive you need to engage gamblers in casino's life. Make a community. Levels, achievements, gamification, multiplayer games, like our slope which has failed, but we learned how we can make it worked and it will be on with our next version.

Regards,
Alex.


Yes I would add that bringing the mobile game apps monetization system into gambling would be great. People are paying to get weapon upgrades and virtual clothes and stupid things like that, so there must be a way to introduce gambling into cool games. However there is plenty of restrictions in this business in many countries so I know how hard it is (I've worked for many casino and gambling sites as a UI designer).


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on December 20, 2015, 04:34:04 AM
My 2 cents..

#1 Mobile first. We have almost 25% mobile gamblers. With latest flash decline and canceled flash support by Adobe, we will see huge increase of mobile games like slots, blackjack and other card games.

#2 Professional service. Dice sites are dying. I think most casino owners would agree with me on this. To survive you need to pivot to a casino. It would require professional service, support, marketing, developers and designers. Each of them costs a lot of money, unless you are doing some lame product on bootstrap. (yeah, it's about BitDice too). And let's be clear, most dice site's doesn't generate money. By money I mean at least 30k USD monthly. Less is barely can be a business. And what is more important revenues should be stable, month to month.

#3 Engage. To make casino more attractive you need to engage gamblers in casino's life. Make a community. Levels, achievements, gamification, multiplayer games, like our slope which has failed, but we learned how we can make it worked and it will be on with our next version.

Regards,
Alex.


Yes I would add that bringing the mobile game apps monetization system into gambling would be great. People are paying to get weapon upgrades and virtual clothes and stupid things like that, so there must be a way to introduce gambling into cool games. However there is plenty of restrictions in this business in many countries so I know how hard it is (I've worked for many casino and gambling sites as a UI designer).

There are actually apps where you can web browse through tor on any smart phone device.  So essentially, people who live in countries who are restricted by laws to gamble can gamble online either on laptops, desktops, or even on phone now by using apps that run tor. 

I don't know how safe these apps are and if they can make the IP address going through LTE devices show up on another IP address, but as of right now, I think this is the safest and most realistic alternative than trying to make apps for phones that allow you to gamble.  I don't think apple or android would ever allow actual gambling apps that's run through online gambling sites (especially with bitcoin) because of the legal consequences that follow them.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: iv4n on December 20, 2015, 04:45:09 PM
I want to believe that skill-based games will be a new thing, but it seems like they won't be a big thing because there will always be someone who will have more of an edge. It seems like luck is the main thing gamblers want to see.

I think the next thing in online gambling, however, will most likely be fancier slot/dice machines, or we might see thing like coin pushers become a thing, even though that is far harder to do than is probably worth it.

As it currently stands, the Bitcoin gambling scene is fairly saturated with basic sites, and it'll take someone making something flashier to convince anyone to switch whatever site they're comfortable with.
For skill based gambling games to work you'd need some popular network that hosts different kinds of games.
Something like what Pokerstars is for online poker.

This is something I would like to see also.  I think Dragon tale is nice game how would it be to make something nicer, and bigger with more game's? I would like to see some other card games in bitcoin gambling. And what about racing car games, and some other sport games? Well i hope someone will make it soo.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Dabs on December 31, 2015, 05:15:16 AM
I've got a few ideas, but like some other not-so-rich people, my own site isn't making enough money (for me anyway) to fund the other ideas waiting. And it took me a couple of years before I could start my own site. The years before that, I attempted a few forum-based games, more as an experiment.

I tried to make a provably fair poker game. The idea works. But the players didn't want to play.

I tried to make a lotto game, which lasted about a year. (Mr. RHavar, you could pick some ideas from that thread if you want.)

I've got a few more couple of ideas for casinos, that I believe would be big, but selfishly don't want to share it, hahahaha, so like that other guy, it will just be an idea in my little notebook. I'm thinking, I'll be in a better position in another couple of years to actually try it out, and I'm betting no one else has the same idea. (This is a gamble in itself. Can you imagine if you invented SatoshiDice when it started?)

And since the dawn of investable bitcoin casinos, I've found one way to make gambling provably fair for non-owner investors; at the cost of time. Slow games aren't as exciting as fast games. That's true for sports, for real life, for war, and anything that has some sort of competition.

I mean, no one wants to be a cockroach even if you could survive a nuclear bomb. No one wants to be a plant that can't move. (That's why there's a non-gambling game that has moving plants that fight against slow moving zombies, haha.)

For everyone else, if you have an idea, let me give you an idea of what it would cost to make your game. You would need to spend anywhere between 10 to 20 to 30 BTC (or fiat equivalent) to hire your coder, unless you can code it yourself. When you start out, you will need to buy a few things like your domain ($10 a year), maybe a SSL cert ($5 a year unless you want Extended Validation), and decent hosting ($50 a month for a VPS type of thing, to $100's for a dedicated server or cloud solution or gaming something.)

And then there's marketing.

On top of all that, if it's gambling, either you have to fly under the radar (or be anonymous), or you get the proper licenses, or just be able to run it with some sort of impunity or protection. (Like me, no one is going to hunt me down for my little dice game.)

Here's an experiment, can I invite the readers of this thread to look at my site? It's been out for several months, but if you have never seen it until today, then, well, that's my poor marketing skills (or maybe I really just don't have the time to spend on it like I should be doing.)

When you run a bitcoin game site, it has to be a full time job for you. It's not for me, that's why I'm not making money on it. It's like catch-22, I will run it full time if I make money, but since I'm not making money, I can't run it full time. LOL.

For you people who do have the money to try something, but don't have your own ideas, would you like to take a gamble on my ideas? I've handled money as escrow, and as part of my real life job. I just don't have my own money to do it right now. Honesty system, take my ideas, make it a website, and we'll talk. But to weed out the wannabes, I will need proof (easy, just sign a bitcoin address right?) or reputation or, something else that convinces me.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: debuni on December 31, 2015, 05:41:55 AM
I want to see browser or part of player's software plugin for provably fair poker card dealing.
Because there are always speculations about poker sites RNGs. Including PokerStars.
There is just two problems: First, poker is lesser revenue venture of all gambling sites (dice,casino,sportbook and even bingo). This exclude PokerStars. Second, is BTC price fluctuation. Till there are +/- 50-100 in a months, serious players will stay stick to fiat. Aldo all gambling sites are winning from recreational players mainly.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Deuceisgood on December 31, 2015, 06:23:42 AM
Augur prediction market is going to launch in Beta in just a few weeks - think Intrade but decentralized with cryptocurrency. Going to be exciting I think, and open up all types of possibilities along the lines of gambling on most anything.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: sherbyspark on December 31, 2015, 06:27:58 AM
I believe the concept of having gambling enabled in video games could be a big thing. Instead of gambling it would be more along the lines of PvP, but it hasn't been explored before because of payment processors and not every game developer could add it. But with bitcoin, I am sure it is much easier and convenient. Probably we will have something like that soon.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: znickelbackz on December 31, 2015, 06:45:10 AM
there is the game Dragon's Tale contains dozens of gamble game


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: sherbyspark on December 31, 2015, 06:49:22 AM
I want to believe that skill-based games will be a new thing, but it seems like they won't be a big thing because there will always be someone who will have more of an edge. It seems like luck is the main thing gamblers want to see.

I think the next thing in online gambling, however, will most likely be fancier slot/dice machines, or we might see thing like coin pushers become a thing, even though that is far harder to do than is probably worth it.

As it currently stands, the Bitcoin gambling scene is fairly saturated with basic sites, and it'll take someone making something flashier to convince anyone to switch whatever site they're comfortable with.
For skill based gambling games to work you'd need some popular network that hosts different kinds of games.
Something like what Pokerstars is for online poker.

I guess poker and BJ are the skill based games...some company tried to have a live feed showing your face and the other players faces in real time (webcam-based online tables — called “Infinivision) but I don't think it got a lot of traction and the site closed up.

That literally is not a feature that anyone is probably looking for. + No ones interested in showing their face online only for a game, specially for bj.
No wonder they closed.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: enhu on December 31, 2015, 07:56:21 AM

There not much gambling ideas nowadays as all has been done. but maybe developers should at least consider looking at gambler vs gambler website to which the house just act as an escrow and will only take certain amount as fees.  I really do hope someone will create such site, I belive I have mentioned this before as I don't want to bet on odds.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: lumeire on December 31, 2015, 08:26:51 AM

There not much gambling ideas nowadays as all has been done. but maybe developers should at least consider looking at gambler vs gambler website to which the house just act as an escrow and will only take certain amount as fees.  I really do hope someone will create such site, I belive I have mentioned this before as I don't want to bet on odds.

What kind of gambler vs gambler game is possible anyway? Isn't this concept really what gambling is, you pick a side and bet at it, if you win you get your money at the expense of another gambler betting on the losing side.

All I can think about are skill games, like chess?


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: enhu on December 31, 2015, 09:01:25 AM

There not much gambling ideas nowadays as all has been done. but maybe developers should at least consider looking at gambler vs gambler website to which the house just act as an escrow and will only take certain amount as fees.  I really do hope someone will create such site, I belive I have mentioned this before as I don't want to bet on odds.

What kind of gambler vs gambler game is possible anyway? Isn't this concept really what gambling is, you pick a side and bet at it, if you win you get your money at the expense of another gambler betting on the losing side.

All I can think about are skill games, like chess?

Chess is just one, I do play such but I feel like I'm not that good anymore. Not even close to winning a chess game playing with a kid.
Boxing or MMA match is a good one to which we don't bet against the house. If for instance, we agreed to bet against which athlete will win, our btc will be sent over to the house address and then one of us can receive the whole winnings less the amount for the house who serves as an escrow.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: rizkyhiw on December 31, 2015, 09:23:32 AM
I was thinking about bet on guitar hero player vs player , is it will be fun ?
I didn't see at the moment there is the game like guitar hero go on betting, would very nice to see it.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Erza on December 31, 2015, 09:33:40 AM
I believe the concept of having gambling enabled in video games could be a big thing. Instead of gambling it would be more along the lines of PvP, but it hasn't been explored before because of payment processors and not every game developer could add it. But with bitcoin, I am sure it is much easier and convenient. Probably we will have something like that soon.

Nope, although with bitcoin pvp game is still hard to attract people because this game will need many people to play. And I think there are no businessman that want open their gambling site just for one short term so this pvp game will not recommend for big thing in online gambling


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: sherbyspark on December 31, 2015, 09:40:38 AM
I believe the concept of having gambling enabled in video games could be a big thing. Instead of gambling it would be more along the lines of PvP, but it hasn't been explored before because of payment processors and not every game developer could add it. But with bitcoin, I am sure it is much easier and convenient. Probably we will have something like that soon.

Nope, although with bitcoin pvp game is still hard to attract people because this game will need many people to play. And I think there are no businessman that want open their gambling site just for one short term so this pvp game will not recommend for big thing in online gambling

It won't exactly be PvP . The gambling businesses don't have to take care of it. The game developers and the API developers will be the people splitting the profits from the rakes of the games. Its the volume that will be the major thing to drive this.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Ceizer54 on December 31, 2015, 10:04:24 AM
Like some people said above that all the ideas have already been implemented..i agree to this,i mean there are many games avaliable to gamble not just dice but the thing is all the games are based on luck and after losing much either people gets bored or they start gambling more and become upset and wonder why they gambled in the first place..I would really appreciate some more skills based games based on bitcoins like Chess,8 ball pool etc so even if people lost they don't become much sad and just need to improve thier skills ;)


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: znickelbackz on January 01, 2016, 04:09:24 PM
how about gamble games from famous movies, books, comics, manga,...


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: sherbyspark on January 01, 2016, 04:12:02 PM
how about gamble games from famous movies, books, comics, manga,...

I believe most of those games will anyways be what really exists. They don't just go about creating new games in directing those shows.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on January 02, 2016, 06:14:37 AM
I was thinking about bet on guitar hero player vs player , is it will be fun ?
I didn't see at the moment there is the game like guitar hero go on betting, would very nice to see it.


That would be pretty neat, but the thing is is that I would think that you would have to run through consoles like Xbox and play station to be able to use their games for gambling... Which would be an obvious headache for legal reasons, not to mention gambling legality.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: aizzaku on January 02, 2016, 12:01:42 PM
i believe that simpler the game better for the gambler right... something new and complex will need too much coding and scripting ... maybe somewhere along the line lose the probably fair part.. more space for coders to sneak trick gamblers.

Just hope no one implements AI system in gambling or no one will win ever pull out in time.

if someone wants to make something new better form around a proper base. easy to understand as wel..


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: FrueGreads on January 02, 2016, 01:06:45 PM
With all the attention in e-sports, I think that the next big thing on gambling will be to allow to gamble in e-sports much more often. The only thing that can prevent this is the taxes game companies would have to pay to keep this legal, since they would be like casinos, and they probably don't want that.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on January 04, 2016, 08:00:56 PM
i believe that simpler the game better for the gambler right... something new and complex will need too much coding and scripting ... maybe somewhere along the line lose the probably fair part.. more space for coders to sneak trick gamblers.

Just hope no one implements AI system in gambling or no one will win ever pull out in time.

if someone wants to make something new better form around a proper base. easy to understand as wel..

Yeah honestly I see that being the real problem with games people are wanting, like pinball and other "skill" based games that are in demand on here.  It seems way too complicated for people to check the verification of the script to see if everything is working in a legit manner, or if the person who coded it rig it in a way that, in the example of pinball, the ball will bounce where it wasn't supposed to bounce if the person has a chance at "winning" the game, or something of the sort...

While I want to see more variety in the world of online gambling, people who are going to code some of these games must be willing to write code that someone else who is capable of verifying the whole thing is legit.  I guess in a sense this is way too complicated and unnecessarily needed, plus people will have trouble trusting the game in the first place.

All in all, when you are gambling online, you will always have to either trust the third party, or be willing to check the code the game is written... regardless you have to trust that the third party site is going to be truthful and hold your coins on the site no matter what; money pot is making people feel a little bit easier with all of this though, which is a good thing.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Slark on January 04, 2016, 08:11:20 PM
I was thinking about bet on guitar hero player vs player , is it will be fun ?
I didn't see at the moment there is the game like guitar hero go on betting, would very nice to see it.

We will probably never see something like that (not in near future with current technical solutions) It will be hard to protect 'skill based' game of that type from cheats.
I imagine there will be bots/scripts created almost right away and there will be really hard to determine - from the server side - if someone is genuinely playing the game or using bot.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: buyinbtc on January 04, 2016, 09:39:16 PM
With all the attention in e-sports, I think that the next big thing on gambling will be to allow to gamble in e-sports much more often. The only thing that can prevent this is the taxes game companies would have to pay to keep this legal, since they would be like casinos, and they probably don't want that.
i doubt that it can be the next big thing in gambling to be honest not many people watch esports not even talking about gambling. the next big thing will most probably be a new skill based game of some kind


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: makingwin1 on January 04, 2016, 10:08:21 PM
i believe that the next big thing will be the games that you can play in teams versus other players or play one on one with others it would be cool to see more of such games as i find it really fun to play


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: znickelbackz on January 05, 2016, 07:58:45 AM
how about gamble games from famous movies, books, comics, manga,...

I believe most of those games will anyways be what really exists. They don't just go about creating new games in directing those shows.

in manga like Yugioh, many new games was created, not gamble though, but I think there should be many unique gamble games exist on other gamble manga. Japanese is really creative.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: aizzaku on January 05, 2016, 11:02:43 AM


Yeah honestly I see that being the real problem with games people are wanting, like pinball and other "skill" based games that are in demand on here.  It seems way too complicated for people to check the verification of the script to see if everything is working in a legit manner, or if the person who coded it rig it in a way that, in the example of pinball, the ball will bounce where it wasn't supposed to bounce if the person has a chance at "winning" the game, or something of the sort...

While I want to see more variety in the world of online gambling, people who are going to code some of these games must be willing to write code that someone else who is capable of verifying the whole thing is legit.  I guess in a sense this is way too complicated and unnecessarily needed, plus people will have trouble trusting the game in the first place.

All in all, when you are gambling online, you will always have to either trust the third party, or be willing to check the code the game is written... regardless you have to trust that the third party site is going to be truthful and hold your coins on the site no matter what; money pot is making people feel a little bit easier with all of this though, which is a good thing.

True what you said. But how can a common person very the integrity of the coding.. 90% of the stuff will go over his head. and like u said, even if the coder find some way to validate the legitimacy of the code why wudn't he rig that as well.

Rather than these complex stuff why not just keep it simple with neat coding and leave it to chance.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: btcprospecter on January 05, 2016, 11:48:13 AM
I think it would be hard to make a gambling game that works well without alot of money behind it pinball sounds like a good idea but how would it work as a gambling game as some form of faucet it could work. If anything a game needs to be developed that bitcoin can be worked into some how as some form of reward or random drop in game. Said game would have to generate revenue somehow maybe subscription but would have to be able to pull people into wanting to play it and could help people become more aware of bitcoin


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: gizane on January 05, 2016, 02:01:35 PM
how about gamble games from famous movies, books, comics, manga,...

I believe most of those games will anyways be what really exists. They don't just go about creating new games in directing those shows.

in manga like Yugioh, many new games was created, not gamble though, but I think there should be many unique gamble games exist on other gamble manga. Japanese is really creative.

You mean like yugioh card games? If that so I think there is already have that card games playing using bitcoin. I forgot what is the game name but it is already exist


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on January 05, 2016, 02:48:11 PM
Stuff like this is the next big thing in my opinion
www.battlecoin.org
Little cool games that resemble the arcade machines, but instead of inserting coins you insert Bitcoins and you play against other people and the winner takes it all (or other custom rules).


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on January 07, 2016, 10:08:57 AM
Stuff like this is the next big thing in my opinion
www.battlecoin.org
Little cool games that resemble the arcade machines, but instead of inserting coins you insert Bitcoins and you play against other people and the winner takes it all (or other custom rules).

Dang this is retro that said it looks like an interesting game since it takes Bitcoin and people can bet on it.
Extending from that something like Twitch combined with Bitcoin betting seems like it would become a natural extension to online gambling with e-sports being what it is, although little pvp battles like this that challenge people to games of skill are also good especially with starting chips to get people to try it.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Divinespark on January 07, 2016, 10:46:57 AM
Live interactive poker on mobile? Extensible seamlessly to other skill based games


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: znickelbackz on January 07, 2016, 04:51:35 PM
how about gamble games from famous movies, books, comics, manga,...

I believe most of those games will anyways be what really exists. They don't just go about creating new games in directing those shows.

in manga like Yugioh, many new games was created, not gamble though, but I think there should be many unique gamble games exist on other gamble manga. Japanese is really creative.

You mean like yugioh card games? If that so I think there is already have that card games playing using bitcoin. I forgot what is the game name but it is already exist

i've searched and found some tcg using btc like Spells of Genesis or Deckbound. not sure if one of them is the game u mention or not, but i think they're similar with Magic the Gathering just like tons of tcg out there, and have no business with yugioh. beside, they use btc, but not for gamble. maybe yugioh was just a bad example of mine. it would be better if i drop other fitter names here like The Liar Game or Kaiji.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: ronaldo40 on January 07, 2016, 05:03:15 PM
Play poker live with beautiful dealers. I have never played it or have never also find it ???


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: pearnapple on January 07, 2016, 07:50:51 PM
Play poker live with beautiful dealers. I have never played it or have never also find it ???
well im pretty sure that there are no such websites created yet but it would be a very great idea, in my opinion the next big thing in online gambling will be pvp games that you can play with bitcoins


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: Boosterious on January 08, 2016, 07:40:23 AM
There are some new unique games like chopcoin.io, but they are not really attracting players. It is really hard to invent new games. Oldest known game is Backgammon what is still one of the best.
what kind of games chopcoin.io it? What are the advantages? whether it can play without deposite? what it means It is really hard to invent new games?
and what game it backgamon? i never heard


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: rio3233 on January 08, 2016, 07:43:16 AM
Play poker live with beautiful dealers. I have never played it or have never also find it ???

Oh my god, THIS. i'm looking for poker live with real dealers. do you have recommendation which websites has this ? because i never found it that poker live who accept bitcoin.


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: znickelbackz on January 08, 2016, 04:00:36 PM
Stuff like this is the next big thing in my opinion
www.battlecoin.org
Little cool games that resemble the arcade machines, but instead of inserting coins you insert Bitcoins and you play against other people and the winner takes it all (or other custom rules).

looks lovely, but quite slow and childish in my opinion. and I don't think it can be considered gamble, too. find out sth like that and want to share is cool, i understand that, it's really nice  ;)


Title: Re: [SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?
Post by: chennan on January 08, 2016, 05:26:50 PM
Play poker live with beautiful dealers. I have never played it or have never also find it ???

Oh my god, THIS. i'm looking for poker live with real dealers. do you have recommendation which websites has this ? because i never found it that poker live who accept bitcoin.

Wow, that's a great idea Ronaldo... if an online casino business where to set up a real virtual casino, where actual people where to deal the cards, take out the uncertainty of people who can't code and can't independently verify the provably fair code that the casino is trying to use from the start.

Also, it would be pretty neat that if they had stuff like blackjack too, where you as the gambler can chat with the live dealer, or anyone else at the table via a chat log that's for that specific table.  Pretty interesting stuff, but I think in this case, you might even need real people to play as your "puppets" so they can show you what you have if they were to deal real cards, or maybe just have a camera under the table?

A lot of security measures would have to be in place for a website like this... but if someone where to figure it all out and have it set up, I think that they could make a pretty solid business online for sure.