[SPECULATION] Next big thing in online gambling?

[chennan]

So, we've all pretty much seen it all when it comes to new gambling websites that are coming out now and days.  From P2P games like blackjack and poker, to provably fair lotteries and dice sites... different types of sports gambling games are also starting to pick up interest in the bitcoin world which is also a very good thing.  All of these are well and good, and while I do like to frequent some of these sites when it's a rainy day; it leaves me to think about what new possibilities are out there for new entertaining games that casinos will implement in the near future.

I keep frequenting the gambling section just to see if there were any new games and ways to gamble that have been recently made, and really, it's all just the same thing... people predicting sports picks, best ways to play dice, etc. etc.

Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"

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[BetKing.io]

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[mtnsaa]

I can speak only of Bitcoin, but I would like to see a Bitcoin's Poker Stars or something to that extent, so live texas hold'em. I had the idea of developing a Bitcoin's FanDuel/DraftKings type of site but it involved plenty of work and money, that would be another.

[chennan]

I can speak only of Bitcoin, but I would like to see a Bitcoin's Poker Stars or something to that extent, so live texas hold'em. I had the idea of developing a Bitcoin's FanDuel/DraftKings type of site but it involved plenty of work and money, that would be another.

Yeah and that's another thing that I kind of wanted to point out that's a problem for lots of people who have great ideas, but don't know how to package them or sell them themselves; case in point, they are people with great ideas but don't know how to code a mediocre site that has a built in API and can withstand a descent amount of traffic. Even with me personally, I would have no idea how to go about coding my own site, because I don't do that kind of thing for a living and only frequent here because learning about bitcoin is just a hobby of mine and not my source of income... and because of that, every now and then I like to have fun and gamble.

So maybe along with this speculation, we can sort of talk about how to teach or give suggestions to people that do actually have good ideas on what they should do.

Idk, personally I'm just tired of seeing the same type of threads in the gambling section of the forum and want to pick peoples brains of what they think should be implemented to make gambling safer and more fun for everyone. 

[calkob]

lets face it Gambling isnt knew so it's hard to think of a new game that dosnt involve the classics like poker and dice.  A game we play in ireland is called pitch and toss where you toss a coin an the person that gets closest to ta wall is the winner, might be hard to relicate in computing tho.....

[chennan]

lets face it Gambling isnt knew so it's hard to think of a new game that dosnt involve the classics like poker and dice.  A game we play in ireland is called pitch and toss where you toss a coin an the person that gets closest to ta wall is the winner, might be hard to relicate in computing tho.....

Hahah, that's actually a pretty cool game, is it more just trying to get a coin closest to the wall without touching it?

And going back to what you said, yeah I understand that gambling is a very old hobby, and it's hard to get away from the norms.  I just believe that people have a lot of cool ideas, and just don't know what to do to get it to become a reality.  Plus, if someone were to make a really new type of game that hasn't really been done before in the online gambling industry, and only accepts cryptos like bitcoin, it will boost more popularity toward bitcoin and thus lead more people into wanting to get into Bitcoin in the first place.

[KnightTrader]

There are some new unique games like chopcoin.io, but they are not really attracting players. It is really hard to invent new games. Oldest known game is Backgammon what is still one of the best.

[patt0]

There are some "fresh" things as well. I really enjoy the bomberman game that is being announced in this forum. I hope to see some more arcade skill games to follow up.
There is another one really good, that is a site with blured images and people keep trying to guess the image and "buy hints". The winner gets all.

It's hard to come up with new ideas, but some good things happen now and then. I want to see how these to develop and I really hope some more arcade games show up.

[Superhitech]

I think that the next big thing will be something really engaging to play, not just a basic dice game where you just see outcomes of numbers. I also think that once someone comes up with a really good idea for a PvP game and has enough funds to advertise it, the game could take off. The PvP games currently available are somewhat innovative, but they don't have enough money to spend on advertising so not many people know about their site.

[sir_lanka]

Gaminfication with some randomness.

For example a pinball game where you get paid in proportion to your result compared to the players before you.

It will be imortant to find the right balance between skill and randomness. Slots only include luck so people know they can´t beat it long term. Chess only includes skill. A medioker chess player will win every time against a bad one. The bad ones will quickly realize how bad they are and quick. Poker is closer to the right balance between skill and luck. Pros play because they know they can beat the game. Recreationals play because it´s fun and they often overestimate their skill and blame their losses on bad luck. Most recreationals try to improve their game, they have a dream of becoming a pro.

[Harpua]

I feel like I have a really good idea for a game that no one has tried yet, and have tried in the past to gather some people to go in on a partnership with me to get it developed and to get it up and working.  The only problem is, is that there is really no interest from people who can code to get all this stuff set up without knowing if it's going to be a huge success or not.  I've tried in the past talking with some people about getting a plan together, but people just tend to be very skeptical... Since I can't really protect my idea if I start explaining the concept in full detail, I'm just going to wait until maybe sometime in the future, I will learn how to code and create my own website.  I guess it's the only way this would be possible for me to start my own gambling website, because of the fact that I can't afford to pay someone 5,10,20 BTC to code something for me, I just simply can't afford that... and also the fact that there really isn't really any "premium" of any kind on ideas where coders will be willing to give me a reasonable chunk of the profits from the site deters me from trying to make my idea come to life.

Unfortunate, because I really believe this would be a fun game for everyone with insane winnings if the person who plaid were to win (not a "lottery" though).

[EngiNerd]

I can speak only of Bitcoin, but I would like to see a Bitcoin's Poker Stars or something to that extent, so live texas hold'em.

Yes. As a US resident, I'd love to see this happen. Surely live bitcoin poker has to exist somewhere?

[pokerowned]

Most people arent gonna post their ideas here because if they do theres a chance some guy steals the idea and makes the game they were want ing to make.

[eternalgloom]

So, we've all pretty much seen it all when it comes to new gambling websites that are coming out now and days.  From P2P games like blackjack and poker, to provably fair lotteries and dice sites... different types of sports gambling games are also starting to pick up interest in the bitcoin world which is also a very good thing.  All of these are well and good, and while I do like to frequent some of these sites when it's a rainy day; it leaves me to think about what new possibilities are out there for new entertaining games that casinos will implement in the near future.

I keep frequenting the gambling section just to see if there were any new games and ways to gamble that have been recently made, and really, it's all just the same thing... people predicting sports picks, best ways to play dice, etc. etc.

Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"

I have to agree with you there, the last couple of weeks I'm seeing the same kinds of threads over and over again. Nice to see something different, I'll have a go.

I'm a fan of new games that incorporate concepts of Bitcoin in it, for example those mining games or predictions based on the Bitcoin price or difficulty, satoshimines comes to mind, but I'd like to see some new fresh ideas in that area (games based on Bitcoin, the blockchain).

I'd also like to see more pvp skill games (either new or existing games) with a gambling aspect, not really something new, but it's definitely something that hasn't really caught on yet by the big public (with the exception of poker). I'm thinking of tournaments with a jackpot consisting of entry fees. So that's something I hope will be the next big thing.

Most people arent gonna post their ideas here because if they do theres a chance some guy steals the idea and makes the game they were want ing to make.

I don't think that's necessarily true, I think there are enough people with great ideas, who have no interest whatsoever in starting a gambling site themselves. Just regular customers can give great insight in what they want and what would be popular.

[chennan]

I feel like I have a really good idea for a game that no one has tried yet, and have tried in the past to gather some people to go in on a partnership with me to get it developed and to get it up and working.  The only problem is, is that there is really no interest from people who can code to get all this stuff set up without knowing if it's going to be a huge success or not.  I've tried in the past talking with some people about getting a plan together, but people just tend to be very skeptical... Since I can't really protect my idea if I start explaining the concept in full detail, I'm just going to wait until maybe sometime in the future, I will learn how to code and create my own website.  I guess it's the only way this would be possible for me to start my own gambling website, because of the fact that I can't afford to pay someone 5,10,20 BTC to code something for me, I just simply can't afford that... and also the fact that there really isn't really any "premium" of any kind on ideas where coders will be willing to give me a reasonable chunk of the profits from the site deters me from trying to make my idea come to life.

Unfortunate, because I really believe this would be a fun game for everyone with insane winnings if the person who plaid were to win (not a "lottery" though).

You bring up a really good point here, and yeah... this is a good place to ask for questions in general about how one would go about getting their ideas to "come to life".  I believe there is so much room for innovation in the gaming experience, and there has to be a realization that not all good coders who can create these games have the best ideas, per se.

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Why not freshen things up on here with a speculation topic that asks the question: "What's your idea of the next big thing in online gambling?"

I have to agree with you there, the last couple of weeks I'm seeing the same kinds of threads over and over again. Nice to see something different, I'll have a go.

I'm a fan of new games that incorporate concepts of Bitcoin in it, for example those mining games or predictions based on the Bitcoin price or difficulty, satoshimines comes to mind, but I'd like to see some new fresh ideas in that area (games based on Bitcoin, the blockchain).

I'd also like to see more pvp skill games (either new or existing games) with a gambling aspect, not really something new, but it's definitely something that hasn't really caught on yet by the big public (with the exception of poker). I'm thinking of tournaments with a jackpot consisting of entry fees. So that's something I hope will be the next big thing.

I'm not quite sure if I have seen this somewhere before, but I believe there was a site that was promoting itself for doing exactly that. I want to say it was PevPot, and I think one of the more trusted members on this side of the forum, RHavar, created it. It's basically a lottery type system that issues "tickets" out based on how much you bet... after X amount of blocks have been solved, it uses the next block to decide who wins the pot (that part I still don't quite understand).

Not quite sure if there are any other sites that uses the blockchain as a form of gambling, but a neat concept overall. Keep 'em coming!

[yahoo62278]

I would like to see a bitcoin pinball game myself. Im sure it would be a coders nightmare to acheive but if someone made a good one id damn sure play it

[chennan]

I would like to see a bitcoin pinball game myself. Im sure it would be a coders nightmare to acheive but if someone made a good one id damn sure play it

I think it's safe to say that anyone would really Yahoo, lol. There's a huge market that's available for people that can code this sort of stuff.  A lot of people like "retro-esque" arcade games.

I think it would be even cooler if someone were to make a game like that, where it doesn't necessarily require you to sign up for anything either... I mean, I would think you would want to make it as "life like" as possible, and last time I played pinball at some arcade (or bar for that matter) I don't remember having to give the machine my email address and that sort of thing.  So it would be nice just to be able to send coins "in" the machine, just like you would quarters, and start playing... If you win, that's awesome you can keep playing or withdraw (probably with a fee).

[RHavar]

I'm not quite sure if I have seen this somewhere before, but I believe there was a site that was promoting itself for doing exactly that. I want to say it was PevPot, and I think one of the more trusted members on this side of the forum, RHavar, created it. It's basically a lottery type system that issues "tickets" out based on how much you bet... after X amount of blocks have been solved, it uses the next block to decide who wins the pot (that part I still don't quite understand).

Thanks!

it uses the next block to decide who wins the pot (that part I still don't quite understand).

At it's core a block hash is for all intents and purposes a (very big) random number between 0 and <block target>. So all pevpot does is use that to decide who won the lottery. There's some fancy stuff like stretching the block to prevent miners from being able to cheat, but at it's core it's quite nice. The whole point of the blockchain is so we can come to consensus, so with a well-defined lottery procedure, we can unambiguously pick winner.

I think it's pretty cool how pevpot can offer a RTP of >100%  (compared to state lotteries that do 50% or something) but it doesn't offer the instant-feedback that most gamblers want, I think

[RHavar]

My thoughts:

* Provably fair is huge. Why would anyone want to go back to having to trust (and not be sure)? But verifying provably fair is a huge PITA, and almost no one does it. So I think we'll see more automated provably fair checking (e.g. with a browser plugin)

* House edges are going to go down. One of the biggest reasons bustabit gets such huge volumes (i think 2nd, after PD) is just because the house edge is very low. Even if you can't notice it (you really can't) it means you get a shit load more variance, and the same amount of money lasts a lot longer. I have a theory, that if a casino is not bankroll constraint (e.g. can offer the same limits) they'd might make more money with a 0.1% house edge, than a 1% (i.e. they might > x10 their volume). Just a nascent thought though.

* Pure skill games (e.g. chess) will unfortunately never become big in gambling. Even if you can solve the bot problems (which is dubious), just the difference between pro-level and punters will always be too big. And the pro-level people like to make money, not gamble. Skill games with a lot of noise (e.g. poker, or bustabit) will do well though

* We'll see more betting-exchange type stuff

* We'll see some 0-house-edge sites. No sane operator can or will back the other side of bets, but it could be done with efficient match-making, somehow. I guess the site could make money with a commission (e.g. 10% of profits you made) ?


Disclaimer: Don't trust me, I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've completely fucked up and misjudged the market twice with dustdice and pevpot

[Yakamoto]

I want to believe that skill-based games will be a new thing, but it seems like they won't be a big thing because there will always be someone who will have more of an edge. It seems like luck is the main thing gamblers want to see.

I think the next thing in online gambling, however, will most likely be fancier slot/dice machines, or we might see thing like coin pushers become a thing, even though that is far harder to do than is probably worth it.

As it currently stands, the Bitcoin gambling scene is fairly saturated with basic sites, and it'll take someone making something flashier to convince anyone to switch whatever site they're comfortable with.