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The two largest social networks, Facebook and Twitter, and the world’s largest search engine, Google, have teamed up with German law enforcement to delete “hate speech” within 24 hours in what is being seen as a last-ditch effort to silence public dissent about a gigantic wave of Syrian immigration.

The partnership to crack down on what Germany deems illegal speech comes after German law enforcement’s reported concerns about “racist abuse” posted to social media after the country’s huge and extremely controversial import of over a million Syrian refugees.

Justice Minister Heiko Maas is reported to have warned social networks that they must not become “a funfair for the far-right” and that “the benchmark to be applied will be German law and no longer just the terms of use of each network.”

Specialist teams will be used to track down, examine, and remove offending posts, and the process is not to take more than 24 hours.

After World War Two, all Nazi-related imagery and material was made illegal irrespective of context in Germany. All Nazi-related swastikas and salutes were replaced in the Wolfenstein video game remake, owing to this law.


http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/15/facebook-twitter-google-collude-with-german-government-to-censor-discussion-on-immigration/

Do the Germans not have free speech?  ???

"To censor", "will be", "discussion" ahaha :D C'mon, they're already doing it right from the beginning of this mess. A lot of video reports have been removed from facebook pages under ridiculous pretext, it happened more than two months ago. There was nothing wrong with these video files, just an interview with "refugees".

Now they're just trying to legalize it, nothing more. And they don't care about public opinion.

Of course, the basic individual rights were not affected. But, when it comes to free speech for a public person, many actions of censorship are following you, including some variations of self-censorship. Otherwise you're risking to get into the list of undesirables, who are legal subject of defamation in the media. Just for example, it's formally allowed to represent an alternate point of view on the TV. But the critics against US or EU is mostly being done in the form of satire, and it can be seen only after midnight (ZDF Die Anstalt, for example).

If you take a closer look to situation, you would notice that Germans even aren't allowed to have a real constitution. They're still using so-called "Basic law for the Federal Republic of Germany", which was developed in 1949 by occupational administration and came in force without any referendum. Germany is still an occupied territory which lacks any kinds of sovereignty. You can't have a genuine freedom without sovereignty, because even your government doesn't have this privilege.

Achtung!!!!!  Define what you mean by free speech! SCHNELL!!!!!


No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJVZa9_Ha5c

So you can not have free speech!! Very is democracy and my rights to speak freely? Why? Why don't speak about raping and stabbing? That's not Europe anymore. On spring is expected millions of refugees more!! Organize people and stop that!!!

soon its all going to change




https://i.imgur.com/uhvJcBm.png

Sue them. This is a violation of free speech. Fuck the NWO.

Top German Journalist Admits Live On Air National News Agenda Set By Government

by OLIVER JJ LANE2 Feb 2016

A retired media boss at a major German state broadcaster has admitted his network and others take orders from the government on what — and what not — to report.

National public service broadcaster Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen (ZDF), which was recently forced into a humiliating apology for their silence on migrant violence and sex assault is being drawn into a fresh scandal after one of their former bureau chiefs admitted the company takes orders from the government on what it reports. He said journalists received instructions to write news that would be “to Ms. Merkel’s liking”.

Former head of ZDF Bonn Dr. Wolfgang Herles make the remarks during a radio event (from minute 27) in Berlin where journalists discussed the media landscape. Moving on to the freedom of the press, the panel chair asked Dr. Herles whether things in Germany had got “seriously out of whack”. With an honesty perhaps unusual in Germany, Dr. Herles replied that ordinary Germans were totally losing faith in the media, something he called a “scandal”. He said:

“We have the problem that – now I’m mainly talking about the public [state] media – we have a closeness to the government. Not only because commentary is mainly in line with the grand coalition (CSU, CDU, and SPD), with the spectrum of opinion, but also because we are completely taken in by the agenda laid down by the political class”.

Worse than the mainstream, government controlled and poll-tax funded media in Germany just agreeing with the ruling coalition, the stations actually took orders on what was and was not to be reported on. He said:

“…the topics about which are reported are laid down by the government.

“There are many topics that would be more important than what the government wants. But they, of course, want to deflect attention away from what doesn’t happen. Yet what doesn’t happen is often more important than what does happen – more important than gesture politics”.

While these orders are sent to media companies from unspecified places in the government, they are communicated to individual journalists by news executives using a new-speak jargon. Dr. Herles explains that while “there are, in fact, instructions from above”, when the editor in chief of ZDF communicated these instructions to his juniors he would merely say reporting should be framed in a way that “serves Europe and the public good”.

There would be no need to add in brackets that this actually means it should be reported “to Ms. Merkel’s liking”, as they would be understood as the true meaning.

“Today, one is not allowed to say anything negative about the refugees” said Dr. Herles, concluding: “This is government journalism and that leads to a situation in which people no longer trust us. This is a scandal.”

There has been very little reporting of the comments in the German media, and what there was has been critical of the remarks. Focus reported the comments of one centre-left media figure, Der Freitag newspaper editor Jakob Augstein who when asked whether there had ever been such “instructions from above”, said: “No, I deny vehemently there has ever been commands from the top”.

That the German mainstream media is not free and routinely obscures or bends the truth has been a key criticism by the Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of Europe (PEGIDA) movement, which has coined phrases like Lügenpresse — the liar press — to express their frustration.

Follow Oliver Lane on Twitter:  or e-mail to: olane@

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/02/02/top-german-journalist-admits-live-on-air-national-news-agenda-set-by-government/

This is so called democracy of 21 cenutry!!!Is this Germany from 13th century? All people have right to express their thoughts and publish it. Things must change very soon

germany is so - called civizilized country dont have freedom of thought and speech .. this is so ridiculous..

It's all a part of a conspiracy..imagine this: 10 years ago come few foreign people it's not important for our story their origin and start stabbing and raping citizens..In less then an hour all police forces will be on the streets haunting them,helicopters, all media and when caught go in jail instantly and then deportation with prohibition entrance in Germany for lifetime..
Present: massive attacks,raping,stabbing,making sharia communities and no police action,no media,prohibition of free speech so just think about that..it's some kind of international conspyracy

It's all getting really creepy here in Europe.

Yes, because of few insane minds or corrupted because probably in fact is something about big money..politicians don't do this for free.There is some intention with this invasion the question is what. Is this attempt to mix races and create new race?

The only think that is ridic are you people.
Reading and beliving articles from the far right without fact checking.

Did even one of you suckers manage to check the original on deutschlandfunk?

It is hard to believe for you gullible lemmings, but germany is actually the greatest stronghold of freedom in the western society. (Im not saying we are perfect)

Free speech doesn't exist most of the time!

Free speech is a sacred value in America, and it is a true one. But you don't have such freedom in most European countries, everytime someone says something that doesn't go in the same way than government they get sued or arrested!

But no that's not censorship, that's just "protection from extremism" yeah sure  ::)

In fact yes, in Europe looks like lot of things are forbidden now...You can't go shower after 10pm in Switzerland you ll find police on your door and should pay tax on court for this..you can not speak about actual situation in Germany, but you can go stabbing and raping people if you are 'refugee'

I rather be a raped-free gullible lemming in the US than a female carnival goer in germany right now. Your women are not safe inside your great stronghold of freedom.



Cologne to set up "safe zone" during carnival to prevent repeat of NYE attacks - The New York Times







Wary of a repeat of the attacks seen on New Year’s Eve, Cologne authorities plan to set up a “safe zone” for women during the annual carnival which begins next week. The Cologne carnival attracts more than one million people to its main parade each year, and city officials worry that large crowds could leave women vulnerable. To compensate, authorities will provide extra street lighting and set up a “safe zone” for women in the city center, staffed with social workers.

The news comes shortly after the announcement that two asylum-seekers from Algeria, allegedly brothers, had been identified as suspects in the New Year’s Eve attacks. The two men entered Germany last November, and despite their short time in the country are already known to police in connection with incidents that include pickpocketing and a fight. Some 30 men are being held in connection with theNew Year’s Eve attacks, but police warn they will face difficulty securing convictions. Cologne has no official CCTV cameras, so police are being forced to identify suspects using private footage from security cameras and mobile phones. Time stamps on the different cameras often do not match, making the footage hard to use as evidence in court.


http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/01/27/cologne-to-set-up-safe-zone-during-carnival-to-prevent-repeat-of-nye-attacks/

And millions of people including woman and children are having a great carnival these days.

Nobody is covering in fear at home.

We feel and are safe.

(Btw. you are much more likely to get raped in the US then in germany)

these attack seems to be coordinated and planed..there is a carnival in Venice and nothing is happening unusual, so the same would be in all cities..attacks in Cologne were organised

Not during new year' eve...

 ;)

yes and we learned from it or are in the process of doing so.
but tbh i cant remember such a situation here in my 30 years. so i can kinda understand why law enforcement and media had such a trouble after nye.

but well in the end it was one of the reasons why this years carnival had more security and below average criminal rates.

im not even sure what you people get from drawing such a wrong picture of germany.

just because see reports in media..and not only in Germany, Scandinavia as well is affected, Oslo,Stoholm, Geteborg,Malme

I have a solid respect for anything german made: cars, audiophile stuff, etc, etc. I understand you want to believe I am hateful to what your country represents. Far from it. I hate what your country will become... Not the same thing.

Why is it so hard to let the german victims tell their story, instead of you fighting back people like me, a virtual construct, posting on forums?... We should push for more freedom of expression and not be afraid of reality, your reality.

Can you point me to a german feminist group doing the legwork to get in touch with the victims? At least this would be the perfect example of what you want your country to be.

Just one link. I'll use google for the translation. I will not doubt its truthfulness.

 8)

im neither fighting against you nor the freedom of speech. (just against what you say  ;) )

i just dont like half truths and lies, particularly if it has the goal to divide and incite people to violence and street justice.

there are a lot of news articles about and with nye victims, in international and german news papers - there is no great censoring.

we in germany, based on our history, just have a special responsibility to not act on feelings and without thinking.

What history is germany based on?

shoudnt you ask your friend google or wikipedia by now? ???

If you could resume the whole history of germany, in a few words... what would it be?

doesnt work. german history (school history) alone comprises of around 1000 years.

but to be precise i was obviously talking about ww2 - but i could go back to the 30 year war or post ww2 germany. a lot of examples.

But to be precise I was obviously trying to tell you you belong to a 1000 years old + culture, with its ups and downs. There was never a good time for your sisters to be groped and rapped, then to have your elites protect the rapists.

Cologne Carnival: Police record 22 sexual assaults



Police in Cologne have said that 22 incidents of sexual assault occurred in the city on the first night of the traditional Carnival street party.

They have 190 people in custody and officials have described them as "a cross section of the general public".

Security has been beefed up in the city, after many women suffered sexual assaults and robberies there on New Year's Eve.

Germany was shocked by the New Year assaults, largely blamed on migrants.

More than 100 women were victims, but the full scale of events on that night only emerged later.

Police said the number of sex attacks on the first night of Carnival was higher than at last year's event.

A suspect was in custody after a woman was attacked and raped while on her way home, they added.

The city in western Germany has deployed 2,500 police officers for the week-long event, which usually draws 1.5 million visitors.

Turnout is said to be lower than usual despite the extra security, which some officials have attributed to rainy weather.

Enhanced security measures include the use of "body cams" which can film suspects during incidents and are being trialled by German police.

The New Year unrest in the city fuelled German unease about a huge influx of asylum seekers. Authorities spoke of a new type of crime, in which gangs of drunken men - described as North African - targeted women

Migration to Germany from outside the EU soared to a record 1.1 million last year, with Chancellor Angela Merkel criticised for having welcomed so many asylum seekers.

Cologne resident Miriam was attacked as she and a friend made their way home on New Year's Eve.

She said she was going to the Carnival celebrations "but with really mixed feelings".

"I'm wondering if something like that could happen again."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35502223


Just in case, backup:
http://archive.is/qqnfi

i think we are getting nearer to the core of the discussion.

is the german government protecting rapist?

for me there is no indication of that happening.
we have a lot of refugees and there are for sure criminals between them (statistics, law of great numbers) but that doesnt mean that every single one of them is a criminal.
criminals should be deported asap no questions - and there are already existing laws for it which got even tightened in the light of nye.

*edit

i just rechecked the numbers and you are correct. my last information was outdated (police changed the number upwards).

here is a interview with the police commander/chief of cologne.

http://www.focus.de/regional/videos/zwiespaeltige-bilanz-begrapschte-moderatorin-und-versuchte-vergewaltigung-polizeichef-spricht-ueber-neuste-erkenntnisse_id_5263956.html

sexcrimes went up to 22 (2 of them grave) from last years 10, less pocket-picking (down to 15% of last years carnival) and acts of violence.
interesting is that woman are now also filing complains about rather small things, the example given:

a doorman asking a woman for a kiss or 25€ to get in the club.


explanation of it are probaly the happenings on nye.

Ex-German media boss admits on live radio the national news agenda is govt controlled



 Bryan MacDonald is a journalist. He worked in Dublin for many years, for Ireland on Sunday and the Evening Herald. He was also theatre critic of The Daily Mail for a period and a news, features and opinion writer. He now mainly covers Russia.

If you really want a lesson in how the Western popular press works, this is it.

Without question, Germany is the leading power in Europe. ZDF is its state broadcaster and most popular channel.

Together with sister network ARD; German's are obliged to pay €17.98 per month to fund it.

This week, during a radio event in Berlin, the retired head of ZDF Bonn, Dr Wolfgang Herles, dropped a bombshell. He admitted the network, and others, takes orders from the government on what, and what not, to report.

Now, you'd expect this kind of story to be splashed across the world's press, wouldn't you? A former senior management figure acknowledging that his ex-employers work in tandem with the authorities to control the news agenda in such an important country? If such a revelation was made in a ‘developing' nation, NATO media would be all over it.

Yet, it's not. As I write, only London's Daily Mail and America's Breitbart and RT have bothered to report this amazing story.

The BBC, a carbon copy of ZDF and ARD in Britain, is busy promoting a documentary about a fake Russian invasion of Latvia. Meanwhile, in Germany itself, RT Deutsch and Munich's Focus appear to be the only two significant outlets tackling the revelations. This in a country where the Dresden region was once known as the "valley of the stupid" because Western TV signals couldn't reach much of it during the Cold War.
Well-founded fears

Many people across Europe suspect that most domestic state TV is under fairly direct control of politicians. The BBC, despite its mendacious cultivation of an image of fairness, is a pretty obvious example. It is governed by a Trust, wholly appointed by the Queen on the advice of government ministers of the day. Russia's most popular station, the First Channel, although partially privately owned, is also administered by state appointees.

What makes Herles' outburst so significant is his seniority. Before retiring last year, he was a prominent culture editor and presenter. In the 90's, he hosted his own chat show, ‘Live', and prior to these ventures, he'd been head of ZDF Bonn. At that time, Bonn was the West German capital. It's important to understand that ZDF, while available across Germany, is technically owned by the Bundesländer (states).

Thus, Bonn-based Herles would have had far greater understanding of how German politics worked than most in ZDF's Mainz headquarters, never mind far flung regions.
Turning a blind eye

Since the Cologne sex attacks on New Year’s Eve, there have been strong allegations that German media downplayed, or even ignored, the story. With migrants, predominately Arabic in origin, pouring into the country since last year, highlighting assaults where the alleged perpetrators were of Arab appearance could help turn public opinion against Angela Merkel's “open-borders” policy. On the other hand, ignoring infractions by newcomers serves to keep Germans ignorant about how Berlin's scheme could jeopardize their own safety. A lot of people are, understandably, angry about that.

Herles' admission was prompted by the assertion that ordinary people have lost faith in Germany's tightly-controlled media. "We have the problem that – now I'm mainly talking about the public [state] media – we have closeness to the government," he revealed. "Not only because commentary is mainly in line with the grand coalition (CSU, CDU, and SPD), with the spectrum of opinion, but also because we are completely taken in by the agenda laid down by the political class."

The retired ZDF chief went on to concede that the station took orders on what to broadcast. "The topics about which are reported are laid down by the government," he confessed. Ironically, the Guardian, with no actual evidence, has prominently published numerous allegations of the Kremlin engaging in this practice. However, it ignores a similar assertion about Germany, which is actually backed up by a credible figure.

Of course, it's not just the publicly-owned media; their private counterparts are also far from balanced. Bild Zeitung, Germany's bestselling newspaper, is bound by the charter of its holding company, Axel Springer SE, "to further the unification of Europe." Moreover, it must "support the Transatlantic Alliance, and solidarity with the United States of America in the common values of free nations." Even the fairest editor in the world wouldn't have much leeway under those conditions.
Pan European myopia

As it happens Germany is not alone. Last year, the Times Ireland exposed how Dublin's state-controlled RTE routinely furnishes questions to government ministers before they appear on air. Incredibly, RTE News, currently helmed by controversial British executive Kevin Bakhurst, responded by attempting to smear The Times.

Meanwhile, in Sweden, the fervently liberal Expressen newspaper this week labeled The Daily Mail ‘racist.' The British newspaper's crime? Daring to report facts on the country's migrant crisis that are precluded in Sweden. Because the domestic media refuse to cover negative stories involving migrants, many Swedes are now forced to access British and Russian media to read news about their country.

Right now, the pro-EU press is struggling to control the narrative. Dismissing rival viewpoints as "propaganda" can only work for so long. Furthermore, turning a blind eye to stories that question EU policy is a tougher proposition in the age of social media.

Last year, Germany's Der Spiegel magazine closed online comment threads on all articles about migration. Last week, The Guardian followed suit, blocking all posts related to immigration, Islam and race.

These moves aren't a huge surprise. In recent years, journalists and commentators who refuse to fall-in-line with the liberal European consensus have been increasingly barred from the mainstream media. This stands in marked contrast to previous decades in which debate was actively encouraged and opposing views cherished. Maybe Mikhail Gorbachev wasn't far off when he warned:"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe."


https://www.rt.com/op-edge/331318-german-media-merkel-control/

What would be the threshold of rape cases and sexual assaults you think should be intolerable for the german people, before triggering a massive movement toward a better control of the unknown by your politicians? 500 (done)? 1000? 5000?

The thing is, the next massive sexual assault will not be televised, nor be on social networks, thanks to this new censorship push by merkel.


There will be silence... In that case, I will agree with you regarding WW2 and its silence.

People knew, but kept their mouth shut.

We certainly do not want a repeat of history, do we?

how comes you can talk about mass media censoring of the government in the mass media ???

Journalist 'groped' in front of live camera in Cologne







A Belgian journalist has said she was groped while on live television at the Cologne Karneval.

“At first they were just making faces behind me. Then a hand landed on my breast. I was was shocked,” said RTBF journalist Esmeralda Labye, describing the incident that took place in the Alter Markt district of town.

The chances of the two men being caught are high - the whole incident was caught on camera. Police are now investigating the case.

A section of the video seen by The Local shows a man of European appearance making lewd gestures behind the reporter. The full video is no longer available online.

"My piece to camera was chaotic, people showing middle fingers, a man who was having fun miming a sex act behind me and above all the hand placed on my breast," Labye said when reporting live in a later news bulletin.

At time of writing, authorities had not released any information about the identity of the men.

The city of Cologne has apologized to Labye.



http://www.thelocal.de/20160205/journalist-groped-in-cologne-on-live-television

The Russian Today (RT) mass media? The BBC mass media? Or ZDF mass media?

i would say your fear mongering is borderline of paranoid delusions.

i just can repeat that criminals get deported and refugees are refugees.

follow the link it goes to deutschlandfunk - no censoring sorry

Just to let you know I rarely check back on edited posts. I remember yours because of its previous shorter length. It would be better just to post a follow up of I could be missing it, not in purpose.


 8)

You are giving me too much power. I am not the entire crew of the BBC, nor RT, nor RTBF. You are free not to believe what they are reporting, while your sisters are getting assaulted.


 8)

drunk european?
did i say in germany everyone is a living jesus?

 :)

 :D

actually a post i can completely agree with you ;)

(even though the context is weird)

I knew you would eventually. I am never wrong

 :)

Hmmm... Germany isn't 1000 years old at all. Why considering the last 1000 years as part of your history?

It's like if the USA would say that they have a 1000 years history just because 1000 years before there were people on the land of America. It's a bit strange no?

Look up the holy roman empire of the german nation.
History goes even more back.
You are just thinking of the Bundesrepublik Deutschland?

Germany still did not recover from the guilt of atrocities they have committed during WWII.  What are they trying to prove?
They think people think they are Nazis, I guess.  So they bend backwards to prove they are not.

I'm not sure why this is happening.  Merkel has destroyed Germany.  Europe will be burning for decades, until it disintegrates into Islamic, 6th century Caliphate.

Freedom of speech is an important American value. But not a European one.

Most European coutries have a very limited free speech right. They consider that if what you're saying is offensive and dangerous you cn be sued and sent to jail for that. They even sometimes forbid cultural events just because they don't feel like it's convenient enough...

Yeah, France is the country of the Human Rights xD

That's true, in USA you feel yourself much more free than in Europe, bur it's horrible that all those democracy countries in Europe actually dictate you what you can speak,feel,put on yourself...in Switzerland employees in bank are allowed to wear only neutral colors of clothes,mild perfumes, and some shape of accessories..welcome in human rights Europe

The point for government is to prevent the spread of really horrible ideals such as nazism. The WW2 influence is strong in whole Europe not only in Germany.

But I don't think that's a good way. That's just a mean for government to control people nothing else!

Please read about and understand the arab "rape game."

This is an entirely different thing than what you may be referring to as "rape."

The Arab "rape game" cannot be done in the USA.  Well, maybe with the exception of certainly very, very weird places. 

So, just to be clear: the lesson Germany learned from WW2 was to import a million people from a militant Jew-hating religion/culture, and to silence those who criticize it. Perfect.

well whatever, you read what you want to read

http://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/210543_700b_v1.jpg


@spendulus

it didnt come to my attention yet - but i believe there was no case of such a thing in germany.

im pretty sure the chances are slim for it to happen - after nye there is a serious discussion about sexcrimes with connection to refugees.
media is talking about it non stop.

the alertness of the german society is very high right now.

I just wanted you to know that I love that picture and I think it perfectly fits my current state of mind. Thank you my dear sir, you may proceed.

I can understand why a true but uncomfortable statement would make you inclined to hide behind a dismissive meme.

There have been numerous attacks on Jews by Muslims in Europe over the past decade. From the torture and murder of Ilan Halimi, to the school shooting in France, to the attack on the Jewish supermarket following the Charlie Hebdo attack. Here's a good article on the phenomenon from the left-wing magazine The Atlantic (though the website seems to be down at the moment):

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/is-it-time-for-the-jews-to-leave-europe/386279/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/is-it-time-for-the-jews-to-leave-europe/386279/)

Europeans know this, and know the cause of it. European leaders are inviting in more Muslims -- people with the same attitude towards Jews -- with eyes open. They know the policy will lead to more dead Jews, and more Jews escaping Europe to friendlier lands.

The fact that you know this, and yet you defend the policy, implies you accept its consequences: dead Jews.

I know you're German (in addition to other hints, you wrote "covering" for "cowering"). It must be tough to hear. Germans wonder how their grandparents and great-grandparents could've possibly supported the Nazis -- with their obviously insane and dangerous beliefs. Today's Germans only need look in the mirror. They are doing the same thing, with the minor change that they are outsourcing the Jew-killing.

I know you think you're anti-Nazi. But look in the mirror quietly for a few moments and look at the consequences of the policies you support. You are a Nazi.

The meme was just the perfect answer to your accusations.
I will give you a quote to think about - you might probaly know it:

The only way this quote would be relevant is if I were accusing you of being a Nazi since you are descended from Nazis. I'm accusing you of being a Nazi because you are knowingly supporting policies that will result in many dead Jews. You are not a child. You are guilty.

You didnt understand at all.  :-\



Why do you think that every single muslim wants to kill jews?

I have friends that are muslim and jew - and they are friends of each other too.

Edit

I just checked your post history - nevermind i just got baited by a wannabe racist jew lmao

Lemme ask: you are a hardline zionist who supports building more towns in the west bank right?

I don't believe this, and it's a bizarre thing for you to infer from what I've written. I do believe that Islam has included Jew-hatred since the time of its founding. I believe this because, unlike most people, I bothered to learn about Islam, including its founding, its teachings and its history. Due to Islamic theology, Muslims are much more likely to attack/kill Jews than non-Muslims are to attack Jews. Fortunately, most Muslims -- like most Christians and most Jews -- don't know much about their religion, so they're relatively harmless. Muslims are only a problem when they learn about their religion and start to take it seriously, and are high enough of a percentage of the population to enforce their views on the rest of the population.


Eh, "racist" is a word that's lost all meaning now, since it's applied when it clearly isn't appropriate. I wouldn't mind if I were a Jew though, so calling me a "wannabe jew [sic]" isn't such an insult. Some of the most intelligent and accomplished people in the world have been Jews. Would it bother you if I were a Jew? What does that tell you about yourself?


If you're honestly interested in my views on Israel, look up my posts on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1012231.0)

I see no reason to rehash them here, especially since I don't think you actually care. You're bringing up Israel because you, like most Germans, think the root of the current trouble with Islamic extremism is Israel's fault. It's certainly not the first time Germans believed that the root of all the world's problems are die ewige Jude.

*der ewige jude

Your ability to twist my words are astonishing.

I have nothing against jews - i could be one you know?

What i hate, which i already stated, is extremism and you my dear display a lot of it.

Jews were hated and persecuted over the last two millenias, maybe even the most hated and persecuted - so it is pretty ironic that a jew has such a way of thinking.

Obviously I'm not German. Thanks for correcting my German version of "the eternal Jew."


We could both be Jews. Or neither of us could be Jews. I asked if it would bother you because you accused me of being a "wannabe racist jew[sic]." I'm not sure why you would make such an accusation unless you thought being Jewish (or "wanting to be" Jewish) is something negative. When I accused you of being a Nazi, it was certainly because I think being a Nazi is negative. And again, the reason I accuse you of being a Nazi is because you're knowingly supporting a policy that will result in many dead Jews.


If you actually opposed extremism, you would be opposing bringing a million people from an extreme, militant Jew-hating religion into Germany. Instead you're opposing those who oppose it. It's not hard to deduce from that where you really stand.

I'm definitely an extremist when it comes to opposing Jew-haters. Some people lament the Dresden bombings. As I've said before, my only problem with the Dresden bombings is not enough Nazis burned to death. I'd also like to see Nuremberg style trials for the people who implemented the current bring-as-many-Jew-hating-Muslims-into-Europe-as-possible policy.



Thanks for capitalizing Jew once, if only because it was at the beginning of a sentence. Most I-have-nothing-against-Jews Jew-haters can't bring themselves to capitalize the word at all.

But I'm confused by the content. What Jew has what way of thinking?

the situatio looks tense in Germany

Tell that again to all those poor german women.

Well they're not really that numerous... It's not the most important in all that I think. (Though each case is tragic)
But yeah situation is fucking tensed, and not in Germany but in whole Europe.
In France currently, emergency state has been declared and is active and is going to be even longer than the original length.

A fairly obvious thought occurred to me. We know that media in Germany is being censored. Why isn't anyone seriously questioning how many refugees rapefugees invaders have been imported? I've heard figures like "1 million" for the past year. How do we know it isn't actually 10 million? If the German government asked the media to report lower numbers, it's obvious they would comply.

Yes, actually we don't know number of them..two years before 2 million refugees crossed syria turkish border and every day came more and more..could be true that they are now in Europe..we don't know we just see streets full of them and their veiled woman

germany always brags its freedom of thought but now it is abolishing it.. this is soo ridiculous..

Some group (independent of governments and media) should do an independent survey of the percentage of Muslims in Germany and other European countries. Who knows how many lies are being told?

Stop them before become majority in all European countries..Than they'll try to use european laws to create their state and independence

No problem. You just learned something.




Do you notice something? Im calling you a racist jew, but the only thing that bothers you is that im calling you a jew?
Hello Saddampuh, you are again twisting my words to suit your agenda.



I have real life examples for muslims and jews living peacefully with each other in germany in contrast to you who is only using polemics to agitate the mass, while accusing me of being a neo-nazi (whose goal is to exterminate the european jews and all other subhumans by letting millions of extremist muslims in - yeah i know it seems you have paronoid delusions.)


If you read my post carefully you woulda have noticed that i usually dont capitalize at all except at the start of a sentence - it is just my writing style.

Let me paraphase the question:
Why would someone who knows that jews were victims of racism and genocide over the last two millenia agitate people to be racist and exert violence to certain religious or ethnic groups?

Do you believe in reptilian Jews? Flat Earth?

There is a reason to censor hate speeches on Facebook. :o
Another topic is the right of using your speech freely. :)

Both may contain rude language and are based on insufficient knowledge aka being dumb or "crazy".
But to say this would be a discussion about immigration in germany goes way beyond the intention Facebook and the german government has.

Perhaps some posts or messages may have very valid arguments, but it simply does not suit the agenda of the german government. Posts from Ukrainian and Russian groups with nazi agenda are simply ignored. Facebook simply listens to money  :)

Well what did you expect?

Facebook is a private company. Private companies always cooperated with what was the most lucrative for them. That's why companies where so supportive of the third Reich btw.

right, because the authorities can censor pretty much any information they want on the grounds that it might offend a particular ethnic group or is likely to lead to hatred or whatever, those aren't the exact wordings of their laws but you get the idea. they were going to put the pegida leader on trial for treason against germany for speaking out against multiculturalism because multiculturalism and german-ness are one and the same.

everything you're saying about the muslim problem in europe including the violence against jews is accurate but why do you never critisise the jews and their supporters who implemented these laws across half of europe in the aftermath of the holohoax or the jewish media bosses who self censor and publish an article every other day in the guardian comparing anyone who wants to keep illegal muslim migrants out to hitler? rich and powerful jews like soros sponsor "no borders" activism and the jewish masses vote overwhelmingly for pussy leftist green parties and barack obama. if the jew turned his power against the shared enemy every last muslim could be expelled from europe but true to his nature he would sooner drown like the proverbial scorpion.

Too late for that. Western Europe is already lost. Most of the Western European nations will become Muslim majority in a few decades time (perhaps with the exception of Italy). Eastern Europe is the only hope (Poland, Belarus, Slovakia, Hungary.etc). Even if there is zero immigration from now onward, the already existing Muslim population will start multiplying at a rapid pace to drown the natives in the Western European nations.

Mother russia and putin will save us all for sure.
Are you getting paid on the amount of lies you spread?

I've given no indication that I'm bothered by being called a Jew. I usually don't acknowledge whether or not I'm a Jew. If it would bother someone if I were I Jew, I'd prefer that person be bothered. I responded to the "racist" charge earlier. No need to repeat myself.


Your anecdotal experiences are completely consistent with something I said earlier: most Muslims (like most Christians and most Jews) know very little about their religion. I'm sure Nazis and Jews could get along fine if the Nazis were incredibly ill-informed about their ideology.

There are explicit references to the extermination of the Jews in Islamic teaching. It would be conspiratorial to deny that fact. The best an apologist for Islam could do is acknowledge it and then explicitly try to reinterpret the relevant passages. The usual apologist for Islam has a simpler response: "Shut up racist!" Or, to stick with the topic of the thread, "Hallo, Herr Zuckerberg. Hier ist Frau Merkel. Wir mussen das Racist silencen! Silence macht frei!"


I don't agitate for people to be racist. Racism is a consequence of classifying people based on genetics. Islam (like Christianity) is independent of genetics. Islam is a system of beliefs. It is of course acceptable to hate people based on their ideas. It's a crazy idea to treat all ideas as equal. Judaism can confuse the issue because there are religious Jews and ethnic Jews. People can, of course, oppose the ideas contained in Judaism. The Nazis hated them as an ethnic group.

Nazism is also a collection of ideas. It would be racist to hate the Nazis because they were German. It's fine to hate the Nazis because they are Nazis. Likewise, if a group in the Middle East had very similar ideas to the Nazis, it's fine to hate and violently oppose them. In fact, it's racist if someone would oppose German Nazis but would not oppose Arab Nazis (e.g., Hamas).

No and No. Conspiracy theories are fun to entertain, but if you check my history you'll find I'm usually arguing against them (if I engage at all). Look at the "Who did 9/11?" thread. I also did a fun "Who did 7/7?" spoof.

There, I answered your questions. Here's one for you:

Do you believe there is credible evidence that Facebook, Twitter and Google are censoring the current immigration discussion in Germany?

(I'm not asking if that's a good or bad thing from your point of view. I'm asking if it's reasonable to believe it's happening.)

Well, you got two questions, so I'll try my luck at a second:

Over the last ten years, have there been more hate crimes committed by Muslims against Jews in Europe, or by Jews against Muslims in Europe?

France is one of the highest Muslim countries in Europe with 8% of Muslims... It was 7.5% in 2009, WHAT AN INVASION!!!

Can we really say Europe is lost and Muslim will become the majority in a few decades? xD

France has had one of the highest Muslim populations for a while, as you noted. I seriously doubt the percentage is only 8% now. It'll be some time before we have accurate post-invasion figures.

But France needs Muslim immigrants. They shoot the cartoonists/Jews/concert-attendees that the French won't shoot. It would be a great loss to the multicultural fabric of France if such shootings went unshot.

You can doubt whatever you want, it's still the truth ^^

Again you're just focusing on a tree forgetting about the forest... you all are anyway...

We're getting raped by capitalists while you're all crying about some "invasion" that is not happening at all.

The important part in all this is that the amount of Muslims is far from becoming "a majority" as lots of you guys keep saying.

You don't like Muslims? You'd want to kill them all and the blacks with them? Fair enough I don't really give a fuck I hate all humans equally. But don't give false facts or flawed reasonning. Just say what you are: a bunch of people refusing to give a fuck about others. You got the right to, I don't even care. But you're not the "righteous army" you pretend to be.

Islam is not a race.

Regarding the percentage of Muslims in France, it's worth pointing out that France purposefully does not collect these kinds of statistics. There's no way to really know the percentages. I looked up the estimates in the online "CIA Factbook" 7 or 8 years ago, and not since then. In any case, it's clear that any such estimates would be out of date given the current crisis.

BS. In France there is a blanket ban on the counting of people based on religion and ethnicity. So there is no reliable statistics available on religious demography. That said, most of the demographers agree that the French Muslim population stands at around 15% right now, making it the largest Muslim population in Western Europe.

Sources?
And no statistics based on ethnicity or religion are not forbidden...
It's just that the national census willingly doesn't take this into account.
But your 15% are just coming straight up from your asse man, if you consider as Muslim anyone coming from a Muslim country the number is around 5 million in France (which makes around 7 or 8%) and if you take only those that are really practicing their faith the number crash at something like 1 or 2 millions.


Again no, the GOVERNMENT willingly doesn't take this into account, that doesn't mean that associations or institutes for example can't make such studies. And they do.

Damn, we went a bit far from the subject gentlemen no?  ;D

Islam is maybe not a race but it's how it's considered. Muslims are counted not by their faith but by their origins. The migrants are considered Muslims as long as they come from Muslim countries.

Islam is not maybe a race still, no matter what you want to believe. That is your prerogative though, obviously.


 :)

There's evidence against what you're asserting. Poland offered to take some Christian refugees. Of course, Western European leaders took this offer as evidence of double plus ungood wrongthink.

If Merkel really thought that taking in Muslims is only positive, she should be happy to take more Muslims and let Poland take care of the Christian refugees. But Merkel's real interest is forcing her will on countries like Poland. It's what German leaders do. They can't help it. ;)

For myself, I'd be OK with Canada taking in a reasonable number of Atheist refugees from the Middle East. (Those wishing to leave Islam need refugee status more than anyone!) I think Canada would be improved if a lot of Ayaan Hirsi Alis were added to the mix. The problem is if you take Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Muslims, the Muslims murder Hirsi Ali. And that's the choice governments make when they import Muslims. Because everyone knows they will murder the Hirsi Alis. They tell you they'll do it. And then they do it.

And, I assure you, I have at least as big a problem with "native" Westerners who convert to Islam as I do with non-Western Muslims. I can have a little more sympathy for people who are Muslim because of the culture they were born into. I assume some of them are thoughtful enough to realize their religion is dangerous bullshit, but having realized that they also know the most dangerous thing they could do is openly reject it.

I don't understand the link between the sentence you quoted and your claim...

In that case, thanks for asking for clarification. I'll try to help.

You said, "The migrants are considered Muslims as long as they come from Muslim countries." The fact that Poland offered to take Christian refugees from Syria (a Muslim country) directly contradicts this sentence.

You said, "Muslims are counted not by their faith but by their origins." I interpreted this as, "Muslims are judged not by their faith but by their country of origin." The fact that Poland offered to take Christian refugees from Syria but not Muslim refugees from Syria indicates that the judgment is based on their faith, not their country of origin.

Hope this helps.

It was a rhetorical use of maybe, I know it's not a race but my maybe was here to enlighten the fact that it's treated as one. Sorry if my use of the word maybe was not correct, it's a usual way of talking in my native language maybe I mistranslated it! ;)

If what you say is correct I'm glad Poland is different and is able to divide religion and race. But I assure you that it's not the case for lots of countries and institutions!

In France it's how they're counted for example, and most of the links I provided (from rather diversified sources) take the "Muslim number" this way. Which means of course that there are even less Muslims that what those reports show but that's another question ;D

I understand your concern about Islam. I can't say I share them mainly because I believe education makes the religious question a bit... useless. But I can understand you're afraid of that.

Well, I'm not afraid for you to try it in Germany since I'm not there.

(I'm assuming you're German, since I think "mushi" is German slang for "pussy." Or the German word for "mosque." I forget.)

I sure do love to live in Serbia now, you made this shit happen westerns not deal with it. Also, kebab removal service s out of order atm

Well Serbia might have bigger problems with mafia and poverty....

Nope it was chosen a bit like that ^^

Not from Germany either, but I don't care about Islam or terrorism, they're just false threats.

Serbia is falling apart, due to emigration and industrial decay. The rural areas are getting depopulated at an alarming rate and the Muslims of Presevo and Sandzak are about to launch their secession movements. The Hungarians of Vojvodina are also not happy. Even the Serbian Armed Forces are disintegrating, due to the lack of fresh recruits.

Funny how in your mind every country is falling apart :p

I need to correct my German. I had both of them wrong.

"Mosque" is "Moschee"

"Pussy" is "Muschi"

For example, if you wanted to say, "Next time I visit German I think I'll revenge rape some mosque pussy," it would be something like:

"Das naeschte mal ich Deutschland besuchen, glaube ich das ich werde etwas Moschee Muschi aus Rache verwaltigen."

And if someone responds: you can't do that! A good counter-response is: Wir schaffen das.

Probably something you can't post on Facebook-Moschee, Twitter-Moschee or Google-Moschee.

Some people get it. Others, not so much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvY78JZfAA8

"I can have five french women"

That's true, in USA you feel yourself much more free than in Europe, bur it's horrible that all those democracy countries in Europe actually dictate you what you can speak,feel,put on yourself...in Switzerland employees in bank are allowed to wear only neutral colors of clothes,mild perfumes, and some shape of accessories..welcome in human rights Europe

Working clothes = human rights?

Did someone shit in your head?