Title: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: galdur on December 18, 2015, 04:40:11 PM A video showing a car attempting to park but actually plowing into journalists might have resulted from the Volvos owner not paying an extra fee to have the car avoid pedestrians.
The video, taken in the Dominican Republic, shows a Volvo XC60 reversing itself, waiting, and then driving back into pedestrians at speed. The horrifying pictures went viral and were presumed to have resulted from a malfunction with the car but the car might not have had the ability to recognise a human at all. ... http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/self-parking-volvo-plows-into-journalists-after-owner-neglects-to-pay-for-extra-feature-that-stops-10277203.html Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: Holliday on December 18, 2015, 05:13:23 PM I don't care how buggy the software is, I'd trust a robot driver before I'd trust a human driver any day of the week.
Edit: That said, I'd want a conventional vehicle (or a way to completely disable the auto-pilot) set aside for my own personal use, should the need arise. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: n691309 on December 18, 2015, 07:30:35 PM That accident was very viral in social media, i really do not trust self driving cars which are produced by Volvo or Tesla but i like the electricity system which is good for the environment.
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: notbatman on December 18, 2015, 08:54:33 PM Manual transmission FTW.
edit: I just watched the video OMG LOL. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: Laguna77 on December 19, 2015, 12:04:42 AM I prefer to pay less, and buy a volvo without that stupid system. I can drive myself. I would be bored when i had a self driving car, i need to get my hands onto something. I only trust myself and not kind of software that claims it drives me everywere.
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: galdur on December 19, 2015, 12:16:57 AM Yeah, if it drives you everywhere it can probably be directed to drive you off a cliff or into a wall if itīs in
someoneīs interest for some reason. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: Laguna77 on December 19, 2015, 12:23:56 AM That is what i mean.
What about bugs in the software? What about a car is driving after you and he hacks your software in your car. He could cause you real trouble. And we all know how vulnerable new software is. One advice keep off your hands on self driving cars. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: galdur on December 19, 2015, 02:05:45 AM Hacking automobiles is already very real. How many people have been killed that way is anybodyīs guess.
Just last summer, over a million Jeeps had to be recalled after security experts were able to wirelessly control functions like acceleration, brakes, windscreen and radio, rendering the driver powerless. Actually they said they could target hundreds of cars, and would post a tutorial detailing the hack. Donīt know how that went. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: BADecker on December 19, 2015, 02:08:56 AM Send Volvo to Mexico or Colombia. Should fit right in there. :D
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: galdur on December 19, 2015, 02:16:26 AM Fact: crazy or idiotic (or both) car manufacturers install entertainment and information systems that are also connected to the engine and brakes. So, buyer beware.
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: subSTRATA on December 19, 2015, 02:29:16 AM I don't care how buggy the software is, I'd trust a robot driver before I'd trust a human driver any day of the week. in most cases, yeah, id have to agree. it seems for the majority of people, people's iq gets halved the moment they get behind the wheel. its a rather strange phenomenon. Edit: That said, I'd want a conventional vehicle (or a way to completely disable the auto-pilot) set aside for my own personal use, should the need arise. still, there isnt an excuse for requiring additional pay to include the portion of the software that avoids pedestrians. that should more or less be a basic safety feature included free of charge in all 'tiers' of the software offered. parallel parking or smooth driving features in case a baby is on board? great. go ahead and charge extra if you really want to. but something as basic as not running into people isnt something that should be seen as 'extra.' Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: BADecker on December 19, 2015, 03:05:02 AM Do you think there would be an advantage to hooking these self-driving cars into the blockchain? Could pay for gas automatically with Bitcoin.
:) Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: galdur on December 19, 2015, 03:53:29 AM Itīs hype and pipedreams. No way are millions of these robots going to be driving around by themselves in regular traffic in a few years as is projected. Itīs too complicated. Too many wildcards from conventional vehicles and also pedestrians. And the environment would have to be adopted to the robots. Half-bankrupt cites arenīt suddenly going to make sure that everything is tip top and pothole free or trim vegetation obscuring key traffic signs. And so on.
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: bryant.coleman on December 19, 2015, 05:49:19 AM This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks.
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: larem on December 19, 2015, 06:36:23 AM I prefer to pay less, and buy a volvo without that stupid system. I can drive myself. I would be bored when i had a self driving car, i need to get my hands onto something. I only trust myself and not kind of software that claims it drives me everywere. Bruh, with self-driving cars, you can 'bate while you travel. Win-win! Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: notbatman on December 19, 2015, 07:21:25 AM This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks. Are you aware of the mk ultra program? Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: bitsmichel on December 19, 2015, 11:36:03 AM Hacking automobiles is already very real. How many people have been killed that way is anybodyīs guess. Just last summer, over a million Jeeps had to be recalled after security experts were able to wirelessly control functions like acceleration, brakes, windscreen and radio, rendering the driver powerless. Actually they said they could target hundreds of cars, and would post a tutorial detailing the hack. Donīt know how that went. Automobiles can already be hacked, driver-less or not. If you want an unhackable car you need a very old model. This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks. Are you aware of the mk ultra program? Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: notbatman on December 19, 2015, 12:41:54 PM Hacking automobiles is already very real. How many people have been killed that way is anybodyīs guess. Just last summer, over a million Jeeps had to be recalled after security experts were able to wirelessly control functions like acceleration, brakes, windscreen and radio, rendering the driver powerless. Actually they said they could target hundreds of cars, and would post a tutorial detailing the hack. Donīt know how that went. Automobiles can already be hacked, driver-less or not. If you want an unhackable car you need a very old model. This is scary. I don't trust robots to drive vehicles, at least for the next 100 years. There is always a chance of a malfunction or even the controls getting hacked by criminals. I am not saying human drivers are any better, but it is possible to prevent human error in most of the cases, and human drivers cannot be "hacked" and used for terrorist attacks. Are you aware of the mk ultra program? Quote At least one subproject of the MK Ultra project was about the electronic control of human behaviour (subproject 119). Subproject 119 had the purpose to provide funds for a study to make a critical review of the literature and scientific developments related to the recording, analysis and interpretation of bio-electric signals from the human organism, and activation of the human behaviour by remote means. The survey encompassed five main areas: techniques of activation of the human organism by remote electronic means, bio-electric sensors, recording, analysis and standardization of data. LOL Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: mudiko on December 19, 2015, 04:21:33 PM I think they need at least 5 more years to present self-driving autos in a secure form.
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: larem on December 20, 2015, 06:12:09 AM I think they need at least 5 more years to present self-driving autos in a secure form. They're saying they won't be ready for the general population until 2020-2030. The issue is even if the car is safe, other drivers aren't. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: bryant.coleman on December 20, 2015, 07:51:46 AM They're saying they won't be ready for the general population until 2020-2030. The issue is even if the car is safe, other drivers aren't. Any idea about the cost (I mean capital cost + annual maintenance) ? If the system costs much more per year than the cost of hiring a human driver, then I don't think that too many people might be interested in it. Also, any attempt like this one is likely to attract protests from the drivers union. ;D And yes.. right now it might be too early to ask about the operating expenses. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: galdur on December 20, 2015, 01:53:28 PM Itīs much more complex than just driving around. For example the robot will have to evaluate whom to injure or kill in certain situations and whom to save. Some accidents are simply unavoidable. Thereīs always some unfortunate set of events to contend with. If youīre cruising along in your self-driving car and suddenly the car canīt stop in time to save some people crossing the road but it can drive into a wall, saving them but with uncertain consequences for you. What should it do? If itīs programmed to kill one to save two or more, would you really buy it?
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: larem on December 26, 2015, 10:13:57 PM They're saying they won't be ready for the general population until 2020-2030. The issue is even if the car is safe, other drivers aren't. Any idea about the cost (I mean capital cost + annual maintenance) ? If the system costs much more per year than the cost of hiring a human driver, then I don't think that too many people might be interested in it. Also, any attempt like this one is likely to attract protests from the drivers union. ;D And yes.. right now it might be too early to ask about the operating expenses. They make it seem like it's no different than a regular car in terms of maintenance. The Teslas got an update that makes them pseudo-autonomous now, as a step towards the future. Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: gentlemand on December 27, 2015, 02:55:13 AM It's going to be very interesting to see if they ever manage to get these things ticking around our roads. I think legality and the natural human aversion to ceding control is going to throw a spanner in the works. I do like the concept but making it workable will be a hella task.
Title: Re: Pay extra if you donīt want your self-driving Volvo to plow into pedestrians Post by: larem on December 28, 2015, 08:25:55 AM It's going to be very interesting to see if they ever manage to get these things ticking around our roads. I think legality and the natural human aversion to ceding control is going to throw a spanner in the works. I do like the concept but making it workable will be a hella task. While humans are against change, they are also lazy. I really don't see the fear factor being too much of a hindrance, tbh. |