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smoothie, what's your problem?  i never thought i'd see you act this way either.  here's the email from 8/17/12 12:10 PM the first day of the 3d selloff.  please go check your past emails.  everyone else who is a sub also please check:

"Day 28:  could get a pullback here but it should be temporary as we move into the
the daily cycle bottom.

cypher"

here's from 8/14/12 9:00 PM:

"We're in day 26 of the daily cycle.  We'll probably top briefly soon before
we put the bottom in somewhere around day 29-30.  But it should be short
lived before we start the next cycle up.  It should present a nice buying
opportunity.

smoothie asked me what i'm looking for as a larger potential sell signal on
the way up.  answer:  a weekly swing high.  this would be a larger more
threatening sell signal that you could consider trading.  personally it'll
take alot more for me to sell even if this does occur as I expect it would
be a temporary situation.  But alot will depend on what things look like
when we get there in the fundamental back drop and the technical setup.
 the nice thing about this indicator is that you can sit back, ride the
wave, and relax until we start to see signs of this forming.

cypher"

Give me a few minutes/hours as I compile all the emails Cypher sent out before and after the FALL in August.

I have a problem with liars and bullshitters. Your statement is a lie and I will out it as it is.

Let's let people decide whether or not your "claim" of calling the fall in August is in fact TRUE or not.

tell me what's "wrong" with the 2 emails i posted?

Short answer: It is selective. There is more to the story than what you posted in terms of TIME and CONTEXT.

Long answer: to come shortly.   :D

@Yuhfhrh,

Sorry I was meaning to create a thread for this. Just busy day. Thanks for doing it for me. Appreciated.

More to come on this topic shortly. Sorry guys it is a busy day for me.   ;D

You have other tasks at hand except trolling? Shocking!  :o

wow, i've become the target of a smoothie troll. this should be fun.  i was hoping to live my life out w/o that  ::)

I know right? lol...  :D :D :D

 ;) don't worry I don't have a problem with you. I just have a problem with what you said in the OP of this thread. People can decide for themselves whether what you said was true or not.

Hang in there...  :D

but you admit that the emails are genuine, correct?

the first email on 8/17/12 at 12:20 pm was the entire extent of the email, not a phrase picked out of a bunch of other stuff.  also, IIRC, it was before the selloff started altho i'm a little fuzzy on the exact time that day that it started.

Let me double check that. Sorry as I already stated it is a really busy day for me. I will post all information relevant to the matter in due time.

Hang in there... :D

what!!?  you're flipping out claiming that they were selective with regards to TIMING and CONTEXT and you didn't even check the validity of the emails?

i seriously think that you're all out of the market right now and trying to precipitate a selloff so you can get back in.  i'm just messing up those plans aren't i by just talking truths?

i went back and referenced the post where i mentioned you about the 1000% thing.  i will say this:  i should've left you out of that post and shouldn't have made assumptions about you day trading.  but you were already trolling me pretty good which is why i did it half expecting you to jump back in with some other comment.  sorry for that.

I'm so out of the loop of everything, what's going on?

certainly nothing important.

Cypher, chill man lol.

You're asking me to double check the emails. I will do that. It sounds like what I remember them to be. But to say they are accurate and in context is another thing.

For someone who thinks I have nothing important to say, you sure are getting emotional about it. Chill...  :D

Nope. Wrong. Not all out at all. Once again wrong.  :D

LOL so you admit you were wrong?....that is a step in the right direction.  :D

chill, eh?  nothing like being accused of being a liar and a scammer and having one's service business harmed by a troll.   ::)

i admit the bolded part.

I never said you were a scammer. A liar perhaps in your comment in the OP.

Like I said...chill I will have the information I am referencing posted shortly.

 :D Yes....chill

P.S. - if you truly believe I have nothing of credible evidence you should be able to ignore my posts right? Or do I have credible evidence that your claims in the OP are NOT true? If I'm so insignificant and not credible you should have nothing to worry about Cypher.  :D

Why is a tasty beverage arguing?!?! ???

no one should stand aside while a troll tries to smear their image and hurt their business.  plain and simple.  i believe those 2 emails say everything there is about how i thought there was a top approaching.  i said i thought we were going to get a pullback that very day it began.  

the real question is why you feel you have the right to post all my updates and alerts which is proprietary information for subs w/o my permission?

Okay let's break this down for all to see. This is what Cypher said earlier:

"and i'm not always bullish; i alerted my subs during the August selloff minutes before it happened.  from that move it was obvious what would happen so you can't call me a permabull."

1. Your statement first in blue is a paradox and can't be true logically. You can't alert your subs DURING the August selloff minutes BEFORE it happened. It's either during or before.

2. First you said this in an alert:


"-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Day 28
From: cypher doc < >
Date: Thu, August 16, 2012 2:48 pm
To: undisclosed-recipients:;

This push up is exceeding even my bullish expectations.  Could last nite's pullback have been IT?  Whatever you do, do NOT sell. The horrors of broken markets worldwide may exceed even our wildest fears and as a result the Bitcoin Push could be truly a sight to behold.

cypher"

THEN 18 HOURS LATER YOU SAID THIS:

"From:   
cypher doc <>   (Add as Preferred Sender)   
Date:   Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:10 am
To:   undisclosed-recipients:;
could get a pullback here but it should be temporary as we move into the the daily cycle bottom.

cypher"

Your claim that it was MINUTES BEFORE the SELL OFF is false. You posted that a good 16 hours before the price started to come down from $15.40. Keep in mind not 24 hours earlier from this post you told people NOT TO SELL when the price was in the high 13's and low 14's.


Here are a few things to note:

1. Cypher's statement makes no sesne logically.
2. His claim of it being "MINUTES" before the fall in August is false. This probably is him glorifying himself and over exaggerrating the facts.
3. He did send out an alert 24 hours before the top in August. No where did he claim to sell as his comment gives notion that "he is not always a bull". This is false too.
4. He says "from that move it was obvious what would happen " but the funny thing is that he himself also says that NONE knew how far the fall would go also implying no one knows when the fall would start too. Yet it was "OBVIOUS". QUOTE:


---------------------------------------------------
"August 21st
There is no way Pirate owns the 500K Bitcoin address.  It belongs to Silk Road.  No larger investors in Bitcoin would ever turn their stashes over to a young anonymous kid who refused to reveal his business model and returned outrageous sums that were clearly unsustainable from the beginning.  It was clearly a ponzi scheme to me and now it looks like he won't even be returning the funds.  I don't think there will be any further selloff at all as we just had it from ppl anticipating a pirate selloff and just from the fact that it was time from a cycle and overbought standpoint.

The price action since the top has conformed perfectly with my daily cycle timing. No, I didn't expect a 55% dip but then no one else did either.  It's impossible to predict the extent of these dumps altho in retrospect my nascent cycle work did call for a coincidence of the daily and weekly cycles for the first time in months and was a hint that the dip might have been deeper than from a daily cycle alone.  The fact that we're bouncing is a good sign and I expect we will continue up in a right translated daily cycle fashion.  It will take some time for the market to regain it's confidence, however.

cypher"
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'll let you all decide whether Cypher's statement in the OP was full of shit or not.

I believe it is. Glorifying yourself and giving yourself credit when you do not deserve it while clearly telling people NOT to sell and "claiming" to have called the fall in August and taking credit for it is just wrong. I'm outing his comment here because all I keep seeing is the following:

"Look at when I am right but I won't tell you when I am wrong."

Saying you are not a permabull when you never showed BEARISHNESS by saying "do not sell" is clearly a lie.
Saying you alerted your subscribers minutes before it happened is a lie.
Saying we "could" have a pullback is not worthy of credit given that's like saying "maybe i'm right and if so I will brag about it, if i'm not right I will never mention it again."

I could tell you a whole nother story about cypherdoc.

but I don't even care anymore. to hell with all this.

Yet you posted in my thread. lol Thanks for NOT caring.  :D :D :D

welcome

Smoothie trolling.  i.e. SSDD.  I only know because i'm sick and couch-ridden today.  It's not even popcorn worthy.

what time did the selloff begin and how do you know this?

Time stamps is how I know. When you send your alerts they come in with a time stamp.

i know the emails have a timestamp but how did you go back and determine the time that the selloff began that day?  you said 16 hr after i said we could get a pullback.

I think I get sexual tension in this ITT thread.

Smoothie is complaining that you didn't predict the future with 100% certainty. He is complaining that you didn't do the impossible.

Smoothie was funny when he was trolling SolidCoin but these days he just seems to pick random targets. He is just attention seeking.

Your email came in at Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:10 am Hawaii Standard Time.

The price top did not happen until early the 18th for me when I was sleeping. Around 4 to 5am Hawaii Standard Time.

If you want me to go through the time stamps of the price too for you I will.

CYPHER: I even emailed you 5 hours after you sent out that alert and it was around 3pm HST on Friday the 17th.

Yup calling out bullshit statements is RANDOM.  :D :D :D

yes please do to prove to us that it was indeed 16 hr exactly after i issued that alert that the selloff began.  i don't remember that to be the case.  but in any case what does it really matter?  i said the same day and before it happened that there would likely be a pullback.  what do you want from me?

Call out yourself then smoothie. When CoinHunter left he took your sense of humor with him.

You used to be an even blend of funny and troll, now all the funny has evaporated.

Who says I am here to entertain you?

not me

+1...

A reaction. You are being trolled.

Hit the ignore button.

Hmm no you said there COULD be a pullback. Not that there would be. See that's your problem dude. You think you say something then you change it to make yourself look better than it really was.

What I want from you? Perhaps stop glorifying yourself and spouting half truths about your track record. That would be a good start.  :D :D :D

SD sorry I couldn't entertain you. Shall I troll you now? LOL

well given that you know i'm such a bull, "could" should mean alot to you.  where's those price timestamps?

Oh please, now we're supposed to read between the lines? LOL!

Time stamps. Just look at all the emails I sent you. Clearly it wasn't minutes before the top. That day I sent you several emails. You can look it up yourself to know that it WASNT minutes.

Once again I'm supposed to KNOW that MINUTES meant HOURS right? LOL

fucking awesome....moving target...  :D :D :D

the other thing you're totally discounting is that i was counting off the days to the top in that particular daily cycle advising everyone to look for that with the subsequent DROP into the bottom of that cycle.

Cypher and perhaps you can clarify if it was DURING or MINUTES BEFORE the sell off in august?

lol

the way you're blabbing i guess you'd want me to come over there and push the buy/sell buttons for you, eh?

I never discounted that. Just merely left it out just like you tend to leave things out or tell half truths to make yourself look better than you are.

How about addressing all the items I brought up that were out right FALSE or even LIES or LOGICAL FAIL?

 :D

Aww once again putting yourself up higher than you ought to be?

Now now let's come back to Earth and discuss this with the facts.  ::) ::) ::)

P.S. What part of what I said in red is "babbling"? You said those two statements in the same sentence in the OP.

the way i see it is i said minutes before; you say 16 hr before.  i asked you for price timestamps to mark the beginning of the selloff but you haven't provided me any even though you said you could.  so we really don't know how far in advance. 

and like it really matters.  ::)

This was the last time stamp of the last email I sent on the 16th

From:   
cypher doc <>   (Add as Preferred Sender)   
Date:   Thu, Aug 16, 2012 6:24 pm
To:   Smoothie

well, of course, at the end of the hour long or so consultation with the HNWI, i'd say "HIT THE BUY BUTTON!"

...which by my mistake was Thursday the 16th. The fall didn't happen until the 18th for me. So the "call" was much more than 16 hours! LOL!

here is a link to the graph of the price movement: http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg150zczsg2012-08-15zeg2012-12-18ztgSzm1g10zm2g25

Like it really matters?

See when you make false statements and get called out on it ......"IT DOESNT REALLY MATTER" ...right?

This shit is fucking hilarious!!! ROFL!!!  :D :D :D

I forwarded you the email proving that your call was more that 24 hours before the actual fall.

LOL

"it doesn't matter ... yet let me glorify myself with false statements...but it doesn't matter" ~ Cypher

of course i looked at that graph but there's no way to get more granularity into the time and sales that i know of that far back. 

point is, you rarely hear me issue warnings like that and despite what you claim, it was obvious we were going to get a pullback.

i'm curious.  given the +1 you gave waveaddict, did he give the precise granularity warning you are holding me to?  how about S3052?

IIRC, miscreanity gave a general call several days before yet i give him credit for making that call.  what's your problem?

1. This isn't about them. Stop detracting.

2. You sound like BFL now by trying to get the attention on your competitors and OFF of yourself.

3. My problem? My problem is with bullshit you spout. I'm calling it for what it is....BULLSHIT. So far you haven't even admitted that. I did not expect you to.

4. "Obvious" != "Do Not Sell"

P.S. I even called out S3052 on his bullshit too. read his thread. The difference is he didn't resort to more bullshit comments about ME or making up absurd "calls" that he made which obviously weren't true.

i believe it.  you are a pure destructive force. 

i've provided 2 key emails that show me warning of a top/pullback.  the first was on 8/14/12, 3d prior and the second was the day of.  yes, btwn the first and second email i said to stay with it as there is always a chance to make that last bit towards the top of the blowoff.

your problem is that there were no emails of me saying buy after my warning the day of the pullback.  that would've been bad.  and my recollection was that it wasn't 18 h before it started (as if the exact timing to the minute is what everyone expects me to provide).  ::)

Once again you are wrong and promoting misinformation.

Your claim in the OP is not what you are claiming NOW. Now you are backpedaling and making it seem as if I'm such an EVIL person because I did not point out your good qualities. You dont need me to point out your good qualities. You already do that yourself and then add the spin of half-truths to make something into what is really isnt appear true.

 :D :D :D Try harder Cypher to wiggle out of your own comments. In and of itself it is entertaining.


And NO...my problem (which I can speak for myself and I will say it again) is that you did not speak the truth earlier. Exaggerations, lies, and logical fallacies is what was spouted by you earlier.

this is a perfect example of how you distort things Smoothie. and i've seen you do this with others.  in this email we were talking about my forum sig at the time when i was advertising for Skype consults for HNWI (high net worth individuals).  we were talking about the concept and how i would recommend buying Bitcoin as a long term investment to these ppl as i believe (as many others) that the price will go much higher.

recommending that HNWI buy Bitcoin had absolutely nothing to do with the price at that time.

you really are an idiot.

+1


http://slightly-skewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Don__t_feed_the_Troll1.jpg

Sorry I sent the wrong email. Here is the other email where you made your "call" minutes before the price came down.

Subject:   
   Day 28
    
From:   
cypher doc <>   (Add as Preferred Sender)   
Date:   Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:10 am
To:   undisclosed-recipients:;
could get a pullback here but it should be temporary as we move into the the daily cycle bottom.

cypher

NOTE THIS IS HAWAII STANDARD TIME.

Price did not hit $15.40 until August 18th early in the AM Hawaii Standard Time.


See even I can admit when I was wrong. I sent the wrong email by accident with the wrong time stamp. LOL gotta lead by example eh? LOL!!!

fuck i inadvertently feed the troll!

LOL

Cypher,

You calling me an idiot only goes to show how sensitive you are in this whole situation (Mr. Non-emotions eh?) even given the fact that your statement makes no sense about your CALL and also because your context in saying you made the call minutes before also is false.

Keep spouting bullshit.

Keep denying what you really did say earlier.

Keep detracting and backpedaling.

I've obviously gotten under your skin by calling out your bullshit statements.

Yet you still don't admit you were in any way misleading.

I count several times today when you made assumptions on my holdings and my strategy for trading as well as other things and you were dead wrong each time buddy.

Keep assuming what you think you know about me.

The only idiot is the one who believes your bullshit statements.

Have a nice day!

 :D :D :D

Smoothie

In case Cypher missed it. I can admit when I was wrong. Perhaps you can't despite even an obvious lie you told to make yourself look better than you actually are.

Summary:
Smoothie isn't trolling. He is genuinely concerned about how cypherdoc worded his post, and thinks it could mislead people into subscribing for his service. cypherdoc originally thought nothing was wrong with his post, and asked Smoothie to provide evidence (the timestamps.) Smoothie provided the timestamps, but cypherdoc pointed out that many other emails sent around the time had shown a selloff was coming.

Conclusion:
cypherdoc could correct his original statement of, "i alerted my subs during the August selloff minutes before it happened" into something like, "My subscribers knew well ahead of time a selloff was coming in August." I think that's all Smoothie is getting at.

EDIT:
I have now learned that cypherdoc warned his subscribers within 2 hours of the sell off. I retract my statement.

+1 and Cypher to admit he was being misleading...that dirty rat lol ...anyone could have said "a dip could happen....soon" and then take credit for it. :D :D :D

well, you're going to have to admit you are wrong yet again.  the selloff started on 8/17, not 8/18.  you can check the charts and and i can prove it below.

here's yet another email i sent to my subs, including smoothie, at 2:20 PM on 8/17/12 exactly 2h and 10 min after i warned about the pullback in the email above:

"here's my response to a question i just got about how to handle the
selloff.  BTW, this drop was right on time day 28 and could last another
coupla days:

"we're in week 14 of a weekly cycle that has averaged 11.86 weeks, so this
one has extended a bit.  if you're concerned, wait another week to see if
we get a weekly swing high sell signal and then you can sell coins.  yes by
definition you'll be a little late but we're in a primary bull trend and
you don't want to be forced out.  so make the market prove to you first
that we are really in sell mode by forming a weekly swing high.  if you're
bullish, and believe in the primary bull trend, buy after we've gotten a
daily swing low in the next day or two."

cypher"

smoothie, you really are an idiot.  lets see if you can say you're sorry.

so its reasonable to conclude that given the time of my warning about the pullback at 8/17/12 12:10 PM and the time for everyone to begin to ponder what had happened and then for one of my subs to ask me in an email about what i thought and then for me to think about the situation and then pen this email response at 2:20 PM exactly 2 hours and 10 minutes later; yes, it is reasonable for me to claim that i warned of a pullback within minutes of when it actually occurred.

Please prove your statement of "i alerted my subs during the August selloff minutes before it happened" to be 100% true with no wiggle room for bullshit "interpretations".

Oh and by the way you forgot to include the TIMEZONE in your time that you cited.

Sorry Cypher you will not get an apology from me. Clearly your ego has gotten the best of you. No matter if I can prove if your statement was 16 hours or 10 hours before the sell off from $15.40 does not negate your obviously asinine, logic failed, and exaggerated statement in RED.

All I asked is that you retract your bullshit statement and stop being misleading or admit you mispoke. But nope, you refused.

I may be an idiot in your eyes, but I'm honest and can admit when I was wrong. Clearly you can't.

 :D :D :D

smoothie, i've accounted for the timezone difference.  i'm on Pacific Coast Time.  you're in Hawaii.  there appears to be a 3h difference between us which aligns perfectly with what i've claimed.

you received your alert email about the pullback from me at 9:10 AM your time, 12:10 PM my time.  the email above when i talk about my response to the selloff was received by you at 11:20 AM your time, 2:20 PM my time.

On this chart for MT GOX at 6pm (on the chart's time zone)

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg180zczsg2012-08-18zeg2012-08-19ztgSzm1g10zm2g25

Right now for today it says it is 4am (12-18-12) on the chart, and for me (currently 6pm HST 12-17-12):

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD#rg180zczsg2012-08-18zeg2012-08-19ztgSzm1g10zm2g25

Which amounts to a 10 hour difference in my time to the time that is posted on these links.

So...if on August 17th at 6pm (the chart time) it was $15.40

And I got your email at Fri, Aug 17, 2012 11:20 am (3 hours difference from your time stamp, i think)....

That would say that you were off by 6 hours on that email. But this was not the email we initially referenced given you send out so many emails.

So the original email we referenced was at least 8 hours prior to the top at $15.40.

So how does 8 hours = minutes?

Plus how can you take credit for saying a dip "COULD" happen and NOT "would" happen?

Get off of your ego high-horse and admit you were exaggerating your claims.

Minutes != Hours

Could != Would

DO NOT SELL != Bearish

 :D :D :D

the simplest way for you to resolve the 2h 10m time difference btwn the 2 emails is for you to look in your logs just like you already have for the first email alone.

Uhh i did that. Not sure what your point was. My point was to determine the time between your email "alert" and the actual top of the price. So the dip did not start until after 10 hours (sorry about my math been a long day) of your initial email AT LEAST.

MINUTES != HOURS

have you found the 2nd email?  b/c i can prove i sent it to you.

no, the drop started sometime btwn 12:10 pm and 2:20 pm on 8/17/12 my time or PST.  i remember it clearly now.

the 2 emails i sent correspond with those 2 times.

I just remembered I took that day off (17th) thinking it was the weekend (saturday).

Yes my whole time frame is off.

You are correct (i believe) on the time there (no not in minutes).

My mistake on the hours calculation. Hours still != minutes.

Yes you sent out an email saying a drop "could" happen.

It doesn't change the fact that you have glorified yourself in a light that is not realistic.

You send out emails all the time with "could". And don't deny it. You can even attest to this with your cycle theory you are using.

Saying minutes vs hours are definitely misleading.

Saying could and not would are also misleading.

Saying you are not a permabull yet telling people NOT TO SELL is misleading and borderline lying.

So as my estimates of your timeframe of that email were off. It doesn't change the underlying fallacies in your statement. (NOT EVEN INCLUDING THE LOGICAL FALLACY WHICH YOU STILL HAVE NOT ADDRESSED).

How do you send out an alert DURING a sell-off but have it be minutes BEFORE a sell-off?

 :D :D :D

well, i submit that i've cut your argument down to the size of a pea.  you've obviously never been in a court of law with litigators.  i have and given the sequence of posts and logical reasoning with proof that i've presented and the litany of misdirections i've exposed you in presenting, i will repeat what i said above:

so its reasonable to conclude that given the time of my warning about the pullback at 8/17/12, 12:10 PM and the time for everyone to begin to ponder what had happened and then for one of my subs to think about, pen, and then send me an email about what i thought and then for me to think about the situation and then pen this email response at 8/17/12, 2:20 PM exactly 2 hours and 10 minutes later; yes, it is reasonable for me to claim that i warned of a pullback within minutes of when it actually occurred.

LOGICAL ERROR:


During the sell off or minutes BEFORE the sell off? lol



Please address your logical fallacy in your original statement. I've been forthcoming on my mistakes in the time even given that it still proves that your claim of minutes vs hours is still flawed as well as other items.

As often as you send emails you could take credit for the stock market crashing or any other fiat currency pair tanking. So not sure what you've proven given the high frequency of your email alerts and the vagueness of could vs would.

All you've proven is I have bad math skills today. LOL  :D :D :D

smoothie, you are just parsing words.  sure i could've worded that better but its not technically incorrect English.

you know what we're debating here; its my claim that i warned about the selloff "within minutes".  i've shown that to be the case beyond a reasonable doubt.  minutes doesn't have to mean 1 or 2.  it could be 50 min.  i actually remember hammering out that warning email as we were going parabolic and then i saw it roll.  i can recognize a blowoff top when i see it.  so can many others who saw it too.  nothing special.

i think i've proven much more than that.

Perhaps I am parsing words. What else is there to parse?

 Our words are our bond (i hope). You making false claims and illogical claims is very misleading.

so nothing i've proven above with emails and timestamps is enough for you?

This thread was not about me. This thread was about you.

Perhaps you have proved more than just that....(still waiting for you to fill in the blanks).

I've made my concerns very clear even so that the Speculation moderator noticed it.

I believe you are a good man. I just think sometimes you overshoot your mark on your claims and give yourself more credit than is due.

Also retracting and making claims and personal attacks against me doesn't help either. Thank you for acknowledging that you did indeed do that.

If you truly believe what you say then you shouldn't have to tout it right? I think we can both say that we agree to disagree here.

I think you have mislead with your statement and claims of "calling the top" when telling people at the same time NOT TO SELL.

But that is my take on it. It really doesn't matter what I think. This thread was to open up discussion of what I believed to be potentially harmful and untrue claims. It matters what everyone else who you shoot alerts out to thinks.

Shoot... even I could have said I called my futures trade of $11 3.5 months out (the one that ended on October 31st). Did I really tout that? Not really...it was kind of cool to be right. In fact I didn't even think I was going to be right. I thought the price would be higher.

I'm not telling you anything I wouldn't do myself okay? take it for what it is worth.

 :D :D :D

Read above post before this one ^

i'll end with just a few words of advice.  if you ever end up in a court of law, don't do what you did here.  the mere act of retracting so many inaccurate accusations even if they are just time related will make you look very bad in front of a jury and could cost you alot.  get your facts straight from the get go.

can we agree to end this?

New flash buddy....we are not in a court of law.

FACT: Before not equal to during
FACT: Minutes not equal to hours
FACT: DO NOT SELL not equal to Bear
(I think many of my facts line up pretty nicely despite my math error).

I think we can agree to end on this. But no my accusations, in my opinion, are accurate not counting the math part. You have made misleading statements IN MY OPINION.

But anyway have a nice Bit-cypher day!

 :D :D :D

Cypher,  :-* :-* :-* LOL!

 :-*

yeah, i'm comin' for ya smoothie.  ;)

Okay I'll be waiting... ::) ::) ::)

cypherdoc is a good analyst, that keeps up with all the news and stuff... he knows his shit, that's the bottom line.

if your looking at the speculation forum trying to figure out if your should Buy, Sell or Hold, your doing it wrong, and you should subscribe to cypherdoc's service.

I make bold predictions based on intuition more then anything else, if you want you can fallow my lead here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85687.msg1411736#new),  :D

I still think it is misleading to say he called it minutes BEFORE and DURING (logical fallacy)




 and yet he never really called it. Not much of a call to say "we could have a drop soon". Shoot I called $11 on October 31st 3.5 months out. Did I guarantee it? No.

But at the rate Cypher sends emails out saying "DO NOT SELL" (within 24 hours of his "call" email) then says "we COULD drop" is hardly a call. In fact it is contradicting.

He would have been right if the price went down $0.01 that day right? lol...plus the other funny thing is minutes do not equal hours. He overshot his mark on his call time and his actual email that mentioned the "drop" which could have been any $ amount including just a penny drop in price.

I don't see the value in saying "we could drop" and yet telling people "do not sell" at the same time. There is no value because it is the equivalent of saying the price could go up and the price could go down. LOL!

This is my take on all of it. Cypher has good insight BUT he portrays himself as higher (or better) than he really is. Misleading is misleading.

Carry on!  :D

EDIT: If it was so OBVIOUS what would happen, why did he not make a more specific call like "we could see a drop to $12 area"?...I think we all know why.

Yes, but when I made the original statement I thought it was ~1 day+. 2 hours in my opinion still counts as minutes beforehand. Its close enough. Anything over 3 hours is pushing it "minutes"-wise.

I see your point. But you did not address him saying not to sell and that there COULD be a drop in the same 24 hour period.

a real trick in riding a wave up is trying to time the exit while trying to maximize the gain.  this is why i said "do not sell" 24h before.  i didn't calculate the extra gain involved right to the apex mainly b/c we can't get the exact time it topped btwn 12:10 PM and 2:20 PM but it was a significant amount added by holding right to the top when i gave the warning.  

sure, i could have screamed "SELL NOW" instead of "could have a pullback now" and it would've been better.  but this isn't easy work and you know i hadn't said anything like that since the beginning of the newsletter back in April.  when you were a sub in July and August.

the problem i have is with all the retractions and corrections i've been able to force you to make during this thread precisely b/c i was able to hunt down the real proof in the emails.  you say it's "just a math error" on your part.  no, its way more than that.  all those different hourly times you threw out there were not calculations at all; they were made up according to your memory of the situation.  how can you accuse somebody of lying when you haven't bothered to investigate the hard facts?  there are actually legal penalties exacted against ppl when they do those sorts of things; its called slander.  you even missed the entire day of the drop 8/17 vs. 8/18 that you claimed and even said you remember sleeping during the time all those "hours".  all that was blatantly false.

this is why ppl call you a troll; you sling so much crap out there and a lot of it sticks b/c ppl just don't have the energy or time to fight so they just give up and just ignore you.  i won't stand for it and i don't trust you.  that is why is quoted all the posts that had lies in them b/c i was afraid you'd change the posts.

How would I know this Cypher (BOLD)? I was only a subscriber in July and August.

More disinformation you want to spew?  :D

Edit: You question me on my calls and I admit I was wrong on the math. But you still lied because you don't know for absolute sure it was minutes and not hours (or even an hour). Plus you never really CALLED the drop. You merely said it could happen. Wow such an awesome call buddy!  ;D ;D ;D

i am really not there as an analyst to tell you exactly what to do and when.  you have to think on your own. 

let me say this also; i actually like you when you aren't trolling.  i also know that you're a smart guy.  why can't you just let ppl see the good things in you, like i do most of the time?

I like how you did not even admit you were wrong in your assumptions of the FACTS of WHEN I was a subscriber. Once again Cypher ignoring the facts and truth and when he makes a mistake overlooks it and diverts attention. Classic.   :D :D :D

EDIT: IF YOU ARE NOT AN ANALYST YOU SHOULDN'T BE TELLING PEOPLE "NOT TO SELL". OKAY?

I speak my mind and I call things as I see it. Yes I make mistakes and I admit to them. But how can one "let people see something"? I'm as open and honest as anyone on this forum could be (except my true identity which is understandable). People will see what they want to see or they will see as it is. I'm not in any position to "let people see" anything that I already am showing now.

i went back and changed it.  happy now?

My request was that you admit you were wrong. Not that you change it. I've already quoted it so it still exists.

imagine if i went back and picked apart all the errors in your statements above and beyond what i've already had to do that have no bearing on what we are arguing here.  we'd double the size of this thread.

No one is stopping you. Have at it. I never denied my mistakes. If you find more let me know. I'll admit to them. Still waiting on you..... ;D

Is there a love affair going between you? May I join?

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE cypherdoc, too!

 :)

ok, lets start with your allegation.  you say i lied b/c i can't say for sure that it was "minutes" before the top when i sent the warning even though we know that its for sure less than 2h 10 min.

ignoring the fact that you "made up" about 4 different  "hour" estimates of when the email went out before the top, how do you know that the 12:10 PM email wasn't exactly one minute before the selloff began?  answer:  you don't and can't prove it.

therefore, i call you a liar for lying about something you don't know and can't prove.

feel free to lay out your case too and i'll be glad to clarify what exactly went on.

lol

No thanks. I actually don't care.

I got bigger fish to fry.

Let's remember it was you who made the initial claim.

I don't have to prove anything. You are the one who has to prove it given you made the claim of your "god-like" price calling skills.

You STILL have not proven that you called it MINUTES before the actual sell off (despite your illogical writing skills in the initial statement). Also you never really even called a fall. You left out the extent in which you believed it would happen. $0.01 price drop call is not equal to a $7 drop call nor a $4 drop call.

You still are a liar for making your statement which you still have not retracted nor could PROVE 100% that your claim was dead on accurate. There is this "wishful thinking" that you were possibly right with your email timing...not necessarily on the CALL itself, which was rather vague. "COULD HAVE A DROP"....

How much in $ or % you think? Oh no 'just a drop'.

LOL  :D :D :D

well then, you're just a dick flaming b/c you pop in here twice, make a false allegation and don't want to stand up to it.  i still submit you were the problem, not me.

What allegations did he make cypher? Did I miss it?  :D

as further evidence, here's the email exchange from the sub, that i referred to above, 96 minutes after i sent out my warning.  i've removed his name and email for privacy reasons:

"On 8/17/12 1:46 PM, _________________wrote:
The price just fell to $10.60 almost instantly. Where do you think it will stop?

_______________                            


-------- Original message -------- Subject: Day 28 From: cypher doc To: undisclosed-recipients:; CC:

could get a pullback here but it should be temporary as we move into the the daily cycle bottom.

cypher

not sure where but it more about the timing.  today is day 28 of the 29.32 daily cycle.  we could still get another day or two of selling before we resume the uptrend.  wait for a daily swing low if you want to be cautious about buying the dip.

worse case scenario a major sell signal will be if we get a weekly sell signal but i don't think that will happen.

cypher"