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Title: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: coinzat on January 08, 2016, 11:41:20 PM
Mexican authorities snared drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman in a bloody raid Friday, recapturing one of the world's most notorious and slippery criminals.

"Mission Accomplished," President Enrique Peña Nieto announced via Twitter. "We have him."

Members of Mexico's navy caught Guzman in an operation at about 4:30 a.m. (6:30 a.m. ET) in the coastal city of Los Mochis in Sinaloa state, a senior law enforcement official in Mexico told CNN.

Several people aligned with Guzman died in the raid, the official said. The Mexican navy put the number of dead at five, with six others arrested. No navy personnel were killed, and only one was injured.

Read more : http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

He could not enjoy his scaping for a long time :D


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: axxo on January 09, 2016, 01:29:20 AM
Whats the point of capturing the guy. The government is so corrupt over there. All that's going to happen is some high ranking official will be bribed or threatened for his release or escape.

Its one of the reasons why that country is run by the cartel. When the government is corrupt. The police force is corrupt and the citizens wont give any information about these people because they are either scared or worship these people because they put money into the community. Nothing will change.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Dick Trump on January 09, 2016, 05:26:56 AM
Mission accomplished until he escapes... again.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: peonminer on January 09, 2016, 05:30:55 AM
LOL Prez will help him escape in a week jajajajajajaja


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: zenitzz on January 09, 2016, 05:54:35 AM
In a country where the police force is crooked enough to let this guy out twice, how is there not a single guy who is crooked for the better?? Nobody who murders the guy behind closed doors and claims that he was trying to escape? Im sure the officer would find himself on the wrong end of cartel justice, but someone needs to off this guy.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 09, 2016, 12:16:29 PM
Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 09, 2016, 12:47:11 PM
It´s easy as a pizza pie. First decide the area you want to clean up. Paratroopers/special forces capture key points in the rear, marking the periphery and preventing escape. Then the clean-up crew rolls in.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: panju1 on January 09, 2016, 12:56:24 PM
There are efforts being made to extradite him to the US.
I don't think they will succeed.  :)


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Spendulus on January 09, 2016, 03:40:09 PM
Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.
Go to Juarez for three days, report back.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: BADecker on January 09, 2016, 03:54:27 PM
He was probably the one who covertly called in the military, just to kill off his buddies who he didn't like anymore.

:)


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: croato on January 09, 2016, 04:35:39 PM
I bet they would not ever bust him if he did not try to become celebrity. Authorities there are way too corrupted to do arrest like this just like that.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 09, 2016, 06:39:06 PM
There is only one solution to this. Legalize the drugs. The Mexican drug cartels simply exist due to the lack of availability of legal drugs on the American side of the border. Capturing Joaquin Guzman and putting him behind the bars for the rest of his life will not make much of a difference. He will be quickly replaced by someone else.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 09, 2016, 07:13:58 PM
There is only one solution to this. Legalize the drugs. The Mexican drug cartels simply exist due to the lack of availability of legal drugs on the American side of the border. Capturing Joaquin Guzman and putting him behind the bars for the rest of his life will not make much of a difference. He will be quickly replaced by someone else.

It has started, in marijuana but then there´s cocaine. And heroin I guess. And a variety of pills.

Much of crime is caused by users trying to fund their habit so maybe it´s best to legalize it all and make it cheap. There are always costs but reducing crime and improving the safety of the public is worth a lot after all.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Trifixion713 on January 09, 2016, 08:15:46 PM
There is only one solution to this. Legalize the drugs. The Mexican drug cartels simply exist due to the lack of availability of legal drugs on the American side of the border. Capturing Joaquin Guzman and putting him behind the bars for the rest of his life will not make much of a difference. He will be quickly replaced by someone else.

Very true. Back in October 2014 when the government changed the laws regarding hydrocodone, word on the street here in Houston was the cartels had massive amounts of heroin just waiting to flood the streets as soon as the laws went into effect on October 6th - Houston was/is a major hub full of pill mills, much like Tampa with their oxy clinics and sure enough, when the laws went into effect, many of those users switched to heroin as it was not only cheaper, but now more accessible. The thing with this is, a good portion of those users aren't what you'd picture as the average addict and what was already a huge problem here is now even bigger and much more deadly. The cartels aren't going anywhere as long as there is such a huge market for them up north, the amount of money being made by the cartels is staggering.





Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: mikhael on January 10, 2016, 01:01:14 AM
A billionaire drug lord being held by $100 a month guards. Let's see how long it takes for him to escape this time.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: BADecker on January 10, 2016, 01:40:15 AM
There is only one solution to this. Legalize the drugs. The Mexican drug cartels simply exist due to the lack of availability of legal drugs on the American side of the border. Capturing Joaquin Guzman and putting him behind the bars for the rest of his life will not make much of a difference. He will be quickly replaced by someone else.

Very true. Back in October 2014 when the government changed the laws regarding hydrocodone, word on the street here in Houston was the cartels had massive amounts of heroin just waiting to flood the streets as soon as the laws went into effect on October 6th - Houston was/is a major hub full of pill mills, much like Tampa with their oxy clinics and sure enough, when the laws went into effect, many of those users switched to heroin as it was not only cheaper, but now more accessible. The thing with this is, a good portion of those users aren't what you'd picture as the average addict and what was already a huge problem here is now even bigger and much more deadly. The cartels aren't going anywhere as long as there is such a huge market for them up north, the amount of money being made by the cartels is staggering.


There is a better solution than legalizing drugs.

People forget that they want freedom. But if they remember, they don't think it through.

What if it wasn't drugs. What if it was your hair comb in your pocket. What if government regulated your hair comb. If your hair comb isn't regulated in your area, what can you do with it? Anything you want, right? As long as you are not hurting someone else with it, you can do anything you want, right?

If government made some kind of law that said it was okay to have a hair comb in your pocket, haven't they regulated it? No! They have regulated you. If you want freedom, you don't want regulation. You might want information, like how keeping a hair comb outside of your pocket for more than 5 minutes at a time, is dangerous for you and other people. But you don't want to be told what to do... that you are required by law to do it.

Get government out of legalization. But first, get them out of illegalization. Get them out of regulation of your personal property, because the truth is, when they regulate stuff, they are really regulating their property. And their property that they are regulating is YOU, not some comb, and not some drugs.

If you need government regulation in your life, because you are so wimpy that you can't determine when someone has hurt you, let them regulate only the people who harm other people. This way you can be free. But if you don't like freedom, at least get government out of other peoples' lives so that they can be free.

Don't legalize drugs, but don't illegalize them either. Repeal all the laws against drug use, and leave people alone to run their own lives. But punish them when they hurt other people.

:)


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 03:11:20 AM
It´s the American Way - Supply and Demand. When the supply is lacking, create it.

Kurtwood Smith explains this concisely to Kris Kristofferson in this clip from Flashpoint (1984)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf_KhBVjexY


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 06:03:15 AM
A Mexican official tells the AP El Chapo was captured as a result of Sean Penn’s apparently not-so-clandestine meeting with the drug lord last October, a report that, if true, should ensure Penn sleeps somewhat uneasily for the rest of his life.



Though Penn outlines many of the security measures he was able to observe throughout the rambling, 11,000-word piece, the meeting was ultimately arranged by the Mexican film star Kate del Castillo who, according to Penn, communicated with El Chapo via BBM. ABC News also reports Penn and del Castillo are both under investigation by the Mexican government. That report, if true, would indicate neither actor were aware they had been tracked. (If the highly convenient AP report is to be believed—earlier reports indicate officials caught up to the drug lord when he tried to cast his biopic.)

 
Mexican Government Says "El Chapo" Was Caught After Contacting Actors To Star in His Biopic
The limelight, man. It’ll chew you up and spit you out. No one knows this better than Joaquín “El…
Read more
Honestly—who knows? Definitely not Sean Penn.

Either way, is hanging with Spicoli worth the loss of your freedom? Some, like Charlize Theron, say no. Others also say... no.

http://gawker.com/mexican-official-el-chapo-got-caught-because-of-the-se-1752057854?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 08:15:01 AM
Well, the scumbag will be extradited to the U.S. apparently so he should be securely out of circulation for the rest of his life.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: RobbieRoor on January 10, 2016, 08:35:56 AM
Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.

Yet again another pointless war for the US. You would think everyone here in the US would be tired of war, but yet people are so adamant that "the US is the best country in the world", and think war will help solve many issues. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 08:51:37 AM
Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.

Yet again another pointless war for the US. You would think everyone here in the US would be tired of war, but yet people are so adamant that "the US is the best country in the world", and think war will help solve many issues. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Not at all pointless and relatively quick. These endless wars on terror  half a world away are supposed to be for protecting the American People which is a total lie. Cleaning up criminal scum running around  on the border of the United States does a lot for the security of Americans, at the very least those millions that live in the adjoining areas.

I´m not sure that it´s big enough to be called a war actually. It´s just about sanitizing a certain area. Exterminating pests. Not very complicated or time consuming. It also sends a very direct message. Return and you´ll be dealt with in the same manner.

And P.S. Robbie, please try to put your finger on my argument here if you want to discuss this. Opinions alone don´t work. I assume that you know the difference between these two concepts.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: RobbieRoor on January 10, 2016, 09:25:27 AM
Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.

Yet again another pointless war for the US. You would think everyone here in the US would be tired of war, but yet people are so adamant that "the US is the best country in the world", and think war will help solve many issues. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Not at all pointless and relatively quick. These endless wars on terror  half a world away are supposed to be for protecting the American People which is a total lie. Cleaning up criminal scum running around  on the border of the United States does a lot for the security of Americans, at the very least those millions that live in the adjoining areas.

I´m not sure that it´s big enough to be called a war actually. It´s just about sanitizing a certain area. Exterminating pests. Not very complicated or time consuming. It also sends a very direct message. Return and you´ll be dealt with in the same manner.

And P.S. Robbie, please try to put your finger on my argument here if you want to discuss this. Opinions alone don´t work. I assume that you know the difference between these two concepts.

I fully agree that something needs to be done to fix this problem. With that being said, perhaps the resources that would be used to "clean up" the scum running around near the border could be used for other things. By other things I mean appropriate measures of fixing America's appetite for drugs. America is the number 1 consumer of drugs in the world, thats no secret, but what is being done to fix this?

As a recovering Opiate addict (3 years clean), I can truly say that the resources needed in order to get clean are not easily accessed. The cost's of rehab, medications and such are out of this world expensive.

Besides funding a "clean up" campaign, maybe the US government should focus on making the facilities and methods of getting clean more accessible to the people that truly need it.

Nip it in the butt


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 09:33:13 AM
Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.

Yet again another pointless war for the US. You would think everyone here in the US would be tired of war, but yet people are so adamant that "the US is the best country in the world", and think war will help solve many issues. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Not at all pointless and relatively quick. These endless wars on terror  half a world away are supposed to be for protecting the American People which is a total lie. Cleaning up criminal scum running around  on the border of the United States does a lot for the security of Americans, at the very least those millions that live in the adjoining areas.

I´m not sure that it´s big enough to be called a war actually. It´s just about sanitizing a certain area. Exterminating pests. Not very complicated or time consuming. It also sends a very direct message. Return and you´ll be dealt with in the same manner.

And P.S. Robbie, please try to put your finger on my argument here if you want to discuss this. Opinions alone don´t work. I assume that you know the difference between these two concepts.

I fully agree that something needs to be done to fix this problem. With that being said, perhaps the resources that would be used to "clean up" the scum running around near the border could be used for other things. By other things I mean appropriate measures of fixing America's appetite for drugs. America is the number 1 consumer of drugs in the world, thats no secret, but what is being done to fix this?

As a recovering Opiate addict (3 years clean), I can truly say that the resources needed in order to get clean are not easily accessed. The cost's of rehab, medications and such are out of this world expensive.

Besides funding a "clean up" campaign, maybe the US government should focus on making the facilities and methods of getting clean more accessible to the people that truly need it.

Nip it in the butt

I guess the barrel is full already. To stop it running over constantly it´s probably best to turn the tap off or at least decrease the water flow and then start lowering the water level.

Of course both have to be done and there´s plenty of money to do both.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: RobbieRoor on January 10, 2016, 09:46:33 AM
Drugs are fun, I fully understand why we (the US) use them so much. There's alot of things that need to be done to fix this problem, too many to list here thats for sure.

Catching one drug lord isnt going to fix the problem, theres always going to be someone else willing to step up and take his place. Until we turn the muti-billion $$ "faucet" off things like this are just going to get worse. Dont even get me started on the War on Drugs, more than $51,000,000,000 was spent in 2015 on that "war". 


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 09:48:21 AM
There is no real will in the government to deal with this problem. The war on drugs is another of these endless wars that drag on forever and only increase the problems. There are too many on the take and too big interests on both sides. Wars need to be as short as possible and ruthless and brutal. That saves both lives and money in the long turn.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 09:50:41 AM
Drugs are fun, I fully understand why we (the US) use them so much. There's alot of things that need to be done to fix this problem, too many to list here thats for sure.

Catching one drug lord isnt going to fix the problem, theres always going to be someone else willing to step up and take his place. Until we turn the muti-billion $$ "faucet" off things like this are just going to get worse. Dont even get me started on the War on Drugs, more than $51,000,000,000 was spent in 2015 on that "war".  

Well, I mentioned sanitizing and exterminating pests. I´m not really referring to the occasional drug lord here. I´m talking wholesale.

Dropping paratroopers and special forces to secure the periphery and prevent escape, then the clean up crew rolls in, remember?


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: RobbieRoor on January 10, 2016, 09:51:51 AM
There is no real will in the government to deal with this problem. The war on drugs is another of these endless wars that drag on forever and only increase the problems. There are too many on the take and too big interests on both sides. Wars need to be as short as possible and ruthless and brutal. That saves both lives and money in the long turn.

Well said. War sometimes is necessary, if there needs to be war than thats how it should be. But like you said, too many people make to much money when theres war. When that much money is being made, there will always be a war.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: omahapoker on January 10, 2016, 09:56:52 AM
Heres the interview with El Chapo from Sean Penn after he escaped:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexican-drug-lord-interview-with-sean-penn.html?_r=0



Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: RobbieRoor on January 10, 2016, 09:59:29 AM
Heres the interview with El Chapo from Sean Penn after he escaped:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexican-drug-lord-interview-with-sean-penn.html?_r=0



Good lord Sean Penn is everywhere. Im sure we will be seeing a documentary about this from Penn very soon.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 10, 2016, 10:04:17 AM
Heres the interview with El Chapo from Sean Penn after he escaped:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexican-drug-lord-interview-with-sean-penn.html?_r=0



Good lord Sean Penn is everywhere. Im sure we will be seeing a documentary about this from Penn very soon.

This Guzman guy doesn´t seem too smart, being in contact with Hollywood and the media. Everything leaks and then the police follow the trail. It´s probably a vanity attack, the media was making some sort of hero out of him.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Daniel91 on January 10, 2016, 11:46:35 AM
Nothing will change after this, everything will be the same.
Someone else will replace 'El Chapo', government will not show real determinations and will to stop this criminals but will use this event to show that they are doing something, and average people will still suffer.
I predict that he will escape prison again, very soon :)


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Karartma1 on January 10, 2016, 08:47:45 PM
Nothing will change after this, everything will be the same.
Someone else will replace 'El Chapo', government will not show real determinations and will to stop this criminals but will use this event to show that they are doing something, and average people will still suffer.
I predict that he will escape prison again, very soon :)

El Chapo said it himself and to me he made a very intelligent comment to the actual situation: there will always be drug abuse and drug demand simply because it is a huge business.

Now Sean Penn will probably will face the consequences of his action by being part of the aformentioned interview: I don't see what's the problem with it.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: ace45954 on January 10, 2016, 10:08:30 PM
Hopefully they can hold onto him this time


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 11, 2016, 12:55:24 AM
Hopefully they can hold onto him this time

They can´t lose him now that they´ve stated that he´ll be extradited to the U.S., even if they wanted. There would be no excuse at all. The government would have to resign.  


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 11, 2016, 04:00:05 AM
The last crime boss that Sean Penn had an interview with before El Chapo didn´t fare so well. Rest in peace Tony  ;D

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrfpy1_rescuing-tony-killing-tony-part-3-from-carlito-s-way-1993_shortfilms


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on January 11, 2016, 09:03:55 AM
Meanwhile in a drug cartel base in Mexico
(Operating head) : It's time to call the guys again to get El Chapo out
(Members) : No Hodas it's only been six months Ta Hodidos
(Filmakers) : It looks like we have writing material for the next great jailbreak (pending) lol.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Karartma1 on January 11, 2016, 09:04:59 AM
The last crime boss that Sean Penn had an interview with before El Chapo didn´t fare so well. Rest in peace Tony  ;D

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrfpy1_rescuing-tony-killing-tony-part-3-from-carlito-s-way-1993_shortfilms

Holy crap! I did not know that! That's not a good precedent if we can say it, however I'm very curious about what the US will do to Sean Penn if they will do something or if everything will naturally slip under the carpet.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: coinzat on January 11, 2016, 11:38:24 AM
Mexico starts proceedings to extradite El Chapo to U.S. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-starts-proceedings-to-extradite-el-chapo-to-us/)

Mexican officials on Sunday formally launched the process to extradite drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to the United States, starting what could be a lengthy road full of legal appeals and maneuvering.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: zenitzz on January 13, 2016, 02:22:09 AM
El Chapo's family tried to trademark his likeness for branded merchandise

The cartel kingpin’s lawyers also filed papers to register Joaquin ‘El Chapo’ Guzmán’s name for a biopic, a vanity project that eventually led to his downfall


The family of recaptured cartel kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán tried to trademark his name for the purposes of producing merchandise including clothing, watches, walking canes and even Christmas tree ornaments according to applications lodged with the Mexican Institute of Industrial Property (IMPI).

His lawyers also tried to trademark his name as part of a plan for making a motion picture on his larger-then-life story – a vanity project that eventually led to his downfall, Mexican media reported on Tuesday.

Guzmán’s lawyers filed papers with IMPI to register the name El Chapo Guzmán in preparation for making a biopic, journalist Carlos Loret de Mola wrote in the Mexican newspaper El Universal. IMPI rejected the request.

Previously, Alejandrina Gisselle Guzmán, believed to be Guzmán’s daughter, filed requests with IMPI in 2010 and 2011 to trademark the names “Joaquin El Chapo Guzmán” and “El Chapo Guzmán”.

A series of 12 requests were made to register the names, which would be applied to items like hats, toys, sporting goods, saddlery and whips. It also asked for trademarks in services such as publicity and “commercial administration”.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/el-chapo-guzman-capture-mexico-druglord-cartel-name-trademark


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: xht on January 14, 2016, 01:35:52 PM
The USA has a lot to answer for around the world regarding destructive prohibition. Billionaire drug lords like El Chapo Guzman are the direct product of the US failed war on drugs.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: panju1 on January 15, 2016, 07:42:29 AM
Mexico starts proceedings to extradite El Chapo to U.S. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mexico-starts-proceedings-to-extradite-el-chapo-to-us/)

Mexican officials on Sunday formally launched the process to extradite drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to the United States, starting what could be a lengthy road full of legal appeals and maneuvering.


Holding him is a headache.
Previously, they wanted him to serve time in Mexico for his crimes.
After 2 escapes, they want him to get out as quickly as possible.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: xht on January 17, 2016, 12:28:12 PM
How El Chapo Was Finally Captured, Again

MEXICO CITY — Stripped to his undershirt and covered in filth, the world’s most notorious drug lord dragged himself out of the sewers and into the middle of traffic.

Disoriented from his long trudge underground, with gun-toting marines on his heels, he found himself standing across the street from a Walmart. Joaquín Guzmán Loera, the kingpin known across the globe as El Chapo, would have to improvise. His cavalry was not coming.

He and his top lieutenant commandeered a white Volkswagen from a passing motorist, but only a few blocks later, the car became engulfed in smoke, witnesses said. Desperate for another vehicle, the two men spotted a red Ford Focus at a traffic light, driven by a woman with her daughter and 5-year-old grandson.

“Get out of the car now,” said the lieutenant, his weapon trained on the woman as he lifted the door handle, witnesses said. She complied, prying the child from the back seat and leaving her belongings in the car. Politely, the lieutenant handed over her purse before speeding off.

The Mexican marines had been on Mr. Guzmán’s trail for more than six months, ever since he humiliated the nation by escaping its most secure prison through a tunnel that led into the shower floor of his cell.

The chase had led them into the remote wilds of the Golden Triangle, on the border of Durango and Sinaloa states, an area where Mr. Guzmán is revered. He evaded multiple raids by the Mexican authorities, including a close brush after he sat for an interview with the American actor Sean Penn.

But it had come at a cost. The authorities had swept through 18 of his homes and properties in his native lands. Days on end in the inhospitable mountains, where even a billionaire like Mr. Guzmán was forced to rough it, left him yearning for a bit of comfort.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/world/americas/mexico-el-chapo-sinaloa-sean-penn.html?ref=world


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 18, 2016, 10:39:58 AM
Holding him is a headache.
Previously, they wanted him to serve time in Mexico for his crimes.
After 2 escapes, they want him to get out as quickly as possible.

If the Mexican authorities does not have enough resources to hold him, then they should just request the Americans to take care of him. After all, El Chapo was smuggling most of his drug supplies to the United States. I am not saying that the American prisons are 100% reliable, but when compared to the Mexican ones, they are far better.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: iCeSaiah on January 18, 2016, 01:05:10 PM
Drug Lord, Cops, Influence and Money. We all watch some movies to see where this is going. Well i dont mean to judge but they should cut off el chapo's money business because thats the only way to maintain him in jail. His business is still running i'm guessing.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 18, 2016, 01:42:21 PM
Well, it´s been ten days and they haven´t lost him yet. So maybe they´ll manage to hand him over to the U.S.

Wonder if he´ll rat on corrupt officials.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 18, 2016, 01:44:08 PM
Ben Rhodes, a top national security adviser to President Barack Obama, said Friday if a U.S. prison is good enough for El Chapo, it’s good enough for Guantanamo Bay detainees who require indefinite detention.

Rhodes noted that bipartisan support exists for extraditing El Chapo, a notorious drug kingpin in Mexico, to the U.S., though that same support is absent when discussing the move of Gitmo detainees to U.S. facilities.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/16/obama-national-security-adviser-if-a-us-prison-is-good-for-el-chapo-its-good-enough-for-gitmo-detainees/#ixzz3xbT9QzyH


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: bryant.coleman on January 18, 2016, 02:14:23 PM
Drug Lord, Cops, Influence and Money. We all watch some movies to see where this is going. Well i dont mean to judge but they should cut off el chapo's money business because thats the only way to maintain him in jail. His business is still running i'm guessing.

Even if you send millions of soldiers to Mexico, that will not solve the drug business. There is only one solution to this. And that is to legalize drugs. As long as there is demand in the United States (for cocaine, heroin, and LSD), the drug cartels will continue to smuggle contraband to the States. If you take out one cartel, that will be quickly replaced by another one.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: xht on January 18, 2016, 03:50:20 PM
From this story it would appear that Mexico is ready willing and eager to extradite him now before they get more egg on their faces.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Spendulus on January 19, 2016, 12:36:34 AM
From this story it would appear that Mexico is ready willing and eager to extradite him now before they get more egg on their faces.

You mean there is a new puppetmaster in Mexico, and they don't want to disappoint him?


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: designerusa on January 19, 2016, 05:43:44 PM
Mexican authorities snared drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman in a bloody raid Friday, recapturing one of the world's most notorious and slippery criminals.

"Mission Accomplished," President Enrique Peña Nieto announced via Twitter. "We have him."

Members of Mexico's navy caught Guzman in an operation at about 4:30 a.m. (6:30 a.m. ET) in the coastal city of Los Mochis in Sinaloa state, a senior law enforcement official in Mexico told CNN.

Several people aligned with Guzman died in the raid, the official said. The Mexican navy put the number of dead at five, with six others arrested. No navy personnel were killed, and only one was injured.

Read more : http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/08/americas/el-chapo-captured-mexico/

He could not enjoy his scaping for a long time :D

so what... he can rule his trade out of prison...


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: s@toshiClaims on January 19, 2016, 05:44:51 PM
just saw a nice documentry about el chapo yesterday :) crazy that man  8)


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: zenitzz on January 20, 2016, 07:46:46 PM
Hope they put some cones around that escape tunnel, If he falls in it before he is ready to jump in it this time, there could be an expensive personal injury law suit.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: Daniel91 on January 20, 2016, 08:32:33 PM
I'm sure we will read this story again, 'El Chapo' caught, ''Mission accomplished'' after he again escapes from prison :)
It seems money can buy everything in their prisons.
It's really good material for some movie.


Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: galdur on January 21, 2016, 04:00:50 AM
Massive .50 caliber rifle used to shoot down helicopters found inside El Chapo's Mexican hideout was sold through government Fast and Furious program
Fast and Furious program was designed to take down cartel arms dealers
Involved ATF agents intentionally selling weapons illegally to smugglers
Guns were then tracked south over border and used to make arrests
However, agency ultimately lost track of 1,400 of 2,000 weapons it sold
.50 caliber rifle would have been used to down helicopters, agents say


By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 14:42 GMT, 20 January 2016 | UPDATED: 15:54 GMT, 20 January 2016


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3408383/Massive-50-caliber-rifle-inside-El-Chapo-s-Mexican-hideout-sold-government-Fast-Furious-program.html#ixzz3xqds8yZ1
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Title: Re: 'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught
Post by: xht on May 20, 2016, 08:31:18 PM
Mexico Approves Extradition of Drug Lord 'El Chapo' Guzman to U.S.


 Mexico's Foreign Relations Department ruled Friday that the extradition of convicted drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to the United States can go forward.

The process can still be appealed, meaning it could be weeks or months before the Sinaloa cartel leader may be sent to the U.S., where he is wanted in multiple jurisdictions on charges related to drug trafficking and organized crime.

Guzman's lawyers now have 30 days to appeal the decision.

The department said Friday in a statement that the United States has provided "adequate guarantees" that Guzman would not face the death penalty. Mexico has abolished capital punishment and does not extradite its citizens if they face possible execution.

Friday's ruling covered an extradition request from a Texas federal court related to charges of conspiracy to import and distribute cocaine and marijuana, money-laundering, arms possession and murder, and another extradition request from a federal court in California.

In all, Guzman faces charges from seven U.S. federal prosecutors including in Chicago, New York, Miami and San Diego.

Earlier this week Jose Refugio Rodriguez, one of Guzman's lawyers, said that if the government approved extradition they would pursue an injunction.

"We are going to do it, but not right away, because it's a process you have to fight with arguments," he said. "We have 30 days.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/05/20/world/americas/ap-lt-mexico-drug-lord.html