'Mission accomplished': Mexican President says 'El Chapo' caught

[galdur]

Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.

Yet again another pointless war for the US. You would think everyone here in the US would be tired of war, but yet people are so adamant that "the US is the best country in the world", and think war will help solve many issues. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Not at all pointless and relatively quick. These endless wars on terror  half a world away are supposed to be for protecting the American People which is a total lie. Cleaning up criminal scum running around  on the border of the United States does a lot for the security of Americans, at the very least those millions that live in the adjoining areas.

I´m not sure that it´s big enough to be called a war actually. It´s just about sanitizing a certain area. Exterminating pests. Not very complicated or time consuming. It also sends a very direct message. Return and you´ll be dealt with in the same manner.

And P.S. Robbie, please try to put your finger on my argument here if you want to discuss this. Opinions alone don´t work. I assume that you know the difference between these two concepts.

[RobbieRoor]

Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.

Yet again another pointless war for the US. You would think everyone here in the US would be tired of war, but yet people are so adamant that "the US is the best country in the world", and think war will help solve many issues. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Not at all pointless and relatively quick. These endless wars on terror  half a world away are supposed to be for protecting the American People which is a total lie. Cleaning up criminal scum running around  on the border of the United States does a lot for the security of Americans, at the very least those millions that live in the adjoining areas.

I´m not sure that it´s big enough to be called a war actually. It´s just about sanitizing a certain area. Exterminating pests. Not very complicated or time consuming. It also sends a very direct message. Return and you´ll be dealt with in the same manner.

And P.S. Robbie, please try to put your finger on my argument here if you want to discuss this. Opinions alone don´t work. I assume that you know the difference between these two concepts.

I fully agree that something needs to be done to fix this problem. With that being said, perhaps the resources that would be used to "clean up" the scum running around near the border could be used for other things. By other things I mean appropriate measures of fixing America's appetite for drugs. America is the number 1 consumer of drugs in the world, thats no secret, but what is being done to fix this?

As a recovering Opiate addict (3 years clean), I can truly say that the resources needed in order to get clean are not easily accessed. The cost's of rehab, medications and such are out of this world expensive.

Besides funding a "clean up" campaign, maybe the US government should focus on making the facilities and methods of getting clean more accessible to the people that truly need it.

Nip it in the butt

[galdur]

Now; this is one invasion by U.S. forces that would make sense to me. Occupy the border districts, clean up the place, withdraw. Rinse and repeat in a couple years.

Yet again another pointless war for the US. You would think everyone here in the US would be tired of war, but yet people are so adamant that "the US is the best country in the world", and think war will help solve many issues. WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

Not at all pointless and relatively quick. These endless wars on terror  half a world away are supposed to be for protecting the American People which is a total lie. Cleaning up criminal scum running around  on the border of the United States does a lot for the security of Americans, at the very least those millions that live in the adjoining areas.

I´m not sure that it´s big enough to be called a war actually. It´s just about sanitizing a certain area. Exterminating pests. Not very complicated or time consuming. It also sends a very direct message. Return and you´ll be dealt with in the same manner.

And P.S. Robbie, please try to put your finger on my argument here if you want to discuss this. Opinions alone don´t work. I assume that you know the difference between these two concepts.

I fully agree that something needs to be done to fix this problem. With that being said, perhaps the resources that would be used to "clean up" the scum running around near the border could be used for other things. By other things I mean appropriate measures of fixing America's appetite for drugs. America is the number 1 consumer of drugs in the world, thats no secret, but what is being done to fix this?

As a recovering Opiate addict (3 years clean), I can truly say that the resources needed in order to get clean are not easily accessed. The cost's of rehab, medications and such are out of this world expensive.

Besides funding a "clean up" campaign, maybe the US government should focus on making the facilities and methods of getting clean more accessible to the people that truly need it.

Nip it in the butt

I guess the barrel is full already. To stop it running over constantly it´s probably best to turn the tap off or at least decrease the water flow and then start lowering the water level.

Of course both have to be done and there´s plenty of money to do both.

[RobbieRoor]

Drugs are fun, I fully understand why we (the US) use them so much. There's alot of things that need to be done to fix this problem, too many to list here thats for sure.

Catching one drug lord isnt going to fix the problem, theres always going to be someone else willing to step up and take his place. Until we turn the muti-billion $$ "faucet" off things like this are just going to get worse. Dont even get me started on the War on Drugs, more than $51,000,000,000 was spent in 2015 on that "war". 

[galdur]

There is no real will in the government to deal with this problem. The war on drugs is another of these endless wars that drag on forever and only increase the problems. There are too many on the take and too big interests on both sides. Wars need to be as short as possible and ruthless and brutal. That saves both lives and money in the long turn.

[galdur]

Drugs are fun, I fully understand why we (the US) use them so much. There's alot of things that need to be done to fix this problem, too many to list here thats for sure.

Catching one drug lord isnt going to fix the problem, theres always going to be someone else willing to step up and take his place. Until we turn the muti-billion $$ "faucet" off things like this are just going to get worse. Dont even get me started on the War on Drugs, more than $51,000,000,000 was spent in 2015 on that "war".  

Well, I mentioned sanitizing and exterminating pests. I´m not really referring to the occasional drug lord here. I´m talking wholesale.

Dropping paratroopers and special forces to secure the periphery and prevent escape, then the clean up crew rolls in, remember?

[RobbieRoor]

There is no real will in the government to deal with this problem. The war on drugs is another of these endless wars that drag on forever and only increase the problems. There are too many on the take and too big interests on both sides. Wars need to be as short as possible and ruthless and brutal. That saves both lives and money in the long turn.

Well said. War sometimes is necessary, if there needs to be war than thats how it should be. But like you said, too many people make to much money when theres war. When that much money is being made, there will always be a war.

[omahapoker]

Heres the interview with El Chapo from Sean Penn after he escaped:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexican-drug-lord-interview-with-sean-penn.html?_r=0

[RobbieRoor]

Heres the interview with El Chapo from Sean Penn after he escaped:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexican-drug-lord-interview-with-sean-penn.html?_r=0

Good lord Sean Penn is everywhere. Im sure we will be seeing a documentary about this from Penn very soon.

[galdur]

Heres the interview with El Chapo from Sean Penn after he escaped:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/world/americas/el-chapo-mexican-drug-lord-interview-with-sean-penn.html?_r=0

Good lord Sean Penn is everywhere. Im sure we will be seeing a documentary about this from Penn very soon.

This Guzman guy doesn´t seem too smart, being in contact with Hollywood and the media. Everything leaks and then the police follow the trail. It´s probably a vanity attack, the media was making some sort of hero out of him.

[Daniel91]

Nothing will change after this, everything will be the same.
Someone else will replace 'El Chapo', government will not show real determinations and will to stop this criminals but will use this event to show that they are doing something, and average people will still suffer.
I predict that he will escape prison again, very soon

[Karartma1]

Nothing will change after this, everything will be the same.
Someone else will replace 'El Chapo', government will not show real determinations and will to stop this criminals but will use this event to show that they are doing something, and average people will still suffer.
I predict that he will escape prison again, very soon

El Chapo said it himself and to me he made a very intelligent comment to the actual situation: there will always be drug abuse and drug demand simply because it is a huge business.

Now Sean Penn will probably will face the consequences of his action by being part of the aformentioned interview: I don't see what's the problem with it.

[ace45954]

Hopefully they can hold onto him this time

[galdur]

Hopefully they can hold onto him this time

They can´t lose him now that they´ve stated that he´ll be extradited to the U.S., even if they wanted. There would be no excuse at all. The government would have to resign.  

[galdur]

The last crime boss that Sean Penn had an interview with before El Chapo didn´t fare so well. Rest in peace Tony 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrfpy1_rescuing-tony-killing-tony-part-3-from-carlito-s-way-1993_shortfilms

[Swordsoffreedom]

Meanwhile in a drug cartel base in Mexico
(Operating head) : It's time to call the guys again to get El Chapo out
(Members) : No Hodas it's only been six months Ta Hodidos
(Filmakers) : It looks like we have writing material for the next great jailbreak (pending) lol.

[Karartma1]

The last crime boss that Sean Penn had an interview with before El Chapo didn´t fare so well. Rest in peace Tony 

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrfpy1_rescuing-tony-killing-tony-part-3-from-carlito-s-way-1993_shortfilms

Holy crap! I did not know that! That's not a good precedent if we can say it, however I'm very curious about what the US will do to Sean Penn if they will do something or if everything will naturally slip under the carpet.

[coinzat]

Mexico starts proceedings to extradite El Chapo to U.S.

Mexican officials on Sunday formally launched the process to extradite drug lord Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman to the United States, starting what could be a lengthy road full of legal appeals and maneuvering.

[zenitzz]

El Chapo's family tried to trademark his likeness for branded merchandise

The cartel kingpin’s lawyers also filed papers to register Joaquin ‘El Chapo’ Guzmán’s name for a biopic, a vanity project that eventually led to his downfall


The family of recaptured cartel kingpin Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán tried to trademark his name for the purposes of producing merchandise including clothing, watches, walking canes and even Christmas tree ornaments according to applications lodged with the Mexican Institute of Industrial Property (IMPI).

His lawyers also tried to trademark his name as part of a plan for making a motion picture on his larger-then-life story – a vanity project that eventually led to his downfall, Mexican media reported on Tuesday.

Guzmán’s lawyers filed papers with IMPI to register the name El Chapo Guzmán in preparation for making a biopic, journalist Carlos Loret de Mola wrote in the Mexican newspaper El Universal. IMPI rejected the request.

Previously, Alejandrina Gisselle Guzmán, believed to be Guzmán’s daughter, filed requests with IMPI in 2010 and 2011 to trademark the names “Joaquin El Chapo Guzmán” and “El Chapo Guzmán”.

A series of 12 requests were made to register the names, which would be applied to items like hats, toys, sporting goods, saddlery and whips. It also asked for trademarks in services such as publicity and “commercial administration”.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/12/el-chapo-guzman-capture-mexico-druglord-cartel-name-trademark

[xht]

The USA has a lot to answer for around the world regarding destructive prohibition. Billionaire drug lords like El Chapo Guzman are the direct product of the US failed war on drugs.