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If you're getting free coins from a faucet, and that site has a casino, which DOESN'T allow you to deposit ANY funds, is it considered as gambling if you use/play any of those games?

Been trying to figure out this thing for a week, but there's so much contradiction for both answers, so I am not sure how to pick "the right" answer, if there is one.


EDIT: I'm talking about the site in my signature.

Yes because it takes your time and effort to get the "free" coins.  Everyones time has a monetary value.  You then gamble that converted time for more money.

If there's no risk, it doesn't seem like gambling to me. Just another game.

Okay the site doesn't allow you to deposit, but does it allow you to withdraw the winning you got from playing with free coin?
If the answer is yes, it is of course a gamble in my opinion.

Yes, you're allowed to withdraw coins from the site, but not deposit.

If we consider time as something "valuable" & if we consider "time" exists, then yeah, could be gambling.

Those are my thoughts exactly to be honest. You're not investing anything valuable.

I think that faucets have another purpose, people to try site before depositing money. I see people trying to make fortune from that ( even I tried) but in end it's just wasting to much time for couple nickels.
Some of them have luck in that, someone need to have self control and not to be greedy to make something.
I also think its good for site to have people hanging around make good traffic.

 I know what you are talking about. Its hard to say if it is gambling in a traditional sense but i would put it under gambling because you are still spending time to gain the funds and to play the game. Since we all know Time = Money (LOL) then it is pretty safe to say that it should be considered as gambling :P

Gambling: The sure way of getting nothing for something.


https://i.imgur.com/FbfOp64.jpg

Makes sense hah.

Gambling definition from a website:

Is there any site that give you free money but not asking you to gamble it? I dont think that site exist because site will not stupid enough give you all free money without asking you to gamble it. Let say they spend 100% of their fund for giveaway at least 50-80% will comeback to their gambling site because everyone wants to get more but in the end they will just lose it. Which casino not let people to deposit any money to their site?

The site did exist and that is his own site at his own signature but it is more like faucet designed to be a like a gambling sites so the user can still fell the thrill of gambling since it is a slot games however it is not really a gambling if you are not risking your own money and experienced what it is like to lose everything

There's something I forgot to mention. That site is rigged and it favors players, instead of the casino.

So it's made to make the player win 100% of the time.

hi

OP asked about faucet coins and if he gambles with it.

btw moneypot faucet is not asking or forcing anyone to play with it

and koshgel is right
If there's no risk, it doesn't seem like gambling to me. Just another game

those are free coins and he has no risk because he did not deposit any coins to gamble with

:) and they are still alive with 100% loss all the time ??? how many minutes are they online?

Base on my understanding, anything that you use that results to either win or lose is a gambling, regardless of the funds being deposited by the user or been given by the owner of the site so more or else is an act of gambling in my book.

I never said they lose 100% of the time.


Here:

https://i.imgur.com/FFYX5dI.png

OP is clearly talking about his own site (the one in his signature space). I just take a look at it very briefly, and it looks to be working like a faucet by making profit from ads to pay visitors.

what so every its a waste of time in playing in that site , with penny, when you know that you can earn more with signature campaign, and getting information. its just a time pass game,

I agree. Stay away from this site. It's made by the devil himself.

You sounded like you are talking about faucet game. It is not gambling if no one can play with their own coins. Faucet game ain't considered gambling, IMO.
Because you are just wasting a lot of time to win dusts from faucet game.

Well, it's a faucet, yes, but it also has an option where it lets you use its slot machine where you can get money by "Spinning".

I looked up for the definition of "gambling", and there's a lot of different definitions, lol

Just have a look at BigMat's commetnts. They are not devil, just clever to make the faucet be special with others.

It's just a faucet, that's all. People have the option not to use the slot game from the front page.

It's just a way to be different from other faucets, which lack of stuff and have a lot of ads placed on their pages.

I would say it is gambling as you are using your coins which you received from the faucet so the coins are really yours and you are risking them.

No its not considered gambling because you are not risking your money. Just because you are wasting your time doesn't make it a gamble. That would make playing video games a gamble also.

That's my exact theory! Everything would be gambling in that case.

The risk is you waste your time and life is finite.  You either waste time because you dont make any profit or you waste time because you could have found more entertainment elsewhere.

You're not risking to lose your life though, lol.

I wouldn't call a faucet deposit paying to gamble.
You are doing something to get through the faucet
But you're not actually spending anything to gamble

It is gambling of course.Think of it like you go to work daily and spend/invest your time at your job and get the money but because you are an addicted gambler you lose all that money and is the same for the faucet's.It's just that you don't have any requirement to work on faucet's.

Yes, of course. You earned them by working.

One could ask: if I gamble the coins I get by a casino signature campaign that makes deposit in their site, will I still be gambling? I think no one would deny that it is gambling

Yeah, but what when the site is rigged and favors the user? lol.
You're risking 0%. Because it's made that way so the users make money, instead of lose.

With the only difference, casinos rig their games to favor them. Not the players/users.

In this case, my site is rigged to favor the users/players, not the site :)

If I get paid more money that I lose to gamble I sure will do that.
Paid to gamble I think that would be a dream job for me.

If is only faucets I don't think I will do it is just waste of my time.

It will be more likely a no risk gambling than a paid to gamble. All this no risk gambling from faucets are a waste of time as you need to wait for some time before you can claim from the faucet again. You also need incredible luck to multiply your satoshi many times to have a chance to withdraw.

That's the exact reason I added this slot machine. So people play a bit and spend their time nicely, instead of staring on a "please wait to claim again in X minutes" cold button.

While you wait, you play and time passes nicely

Just replied above ;p

I've had people withdraw funds many times already. Someone  withdrew 15k like 30 minutes ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ADF6cSsHxc&feature=youtu.be

It doesn't makes sense ,why would anyone invest his money,time and hardwork to make a site & let the users gamble without any losses and take away his money ?
However ,if you re not losing it then it is not gambling as there is no more risk involved, definite like your job.

/me giggles

Ad revenue, which is x100 of what I give.

Interesting. I thought most people have adblock or some ad-blocking script on their browsers nowadays. As I see, I can still try your site without disabling my adblock, and I am TBH surprised that people would really disable it voluntarily. Not a big fan of faucet, but I wish you good luck with your slot site faucet. :)

As far as I can tell you can  withdraw this faucet's money without actually need of gambling anything. It is not like you HAVE to roll the dice 10 times or to be able to withdrawn funds.
If that is the situation than you are not 'paid to gamble' at all. Instead opportunity of multiplying your faucet money by gambling is present. That's all.

I think that in a way, you are gambling because you are rolling right. You just didn't spend any to roll the dice. So you are inf act gambling, just not with your own money that you have deposited.

Its more like playing video games in reality since you are not risking anything here and the amount that you will win is more or less what you will get by claiming a faucet , well it is actually a faucet dressed like a slot machine and that is a genius breakthrough which atleast until now no one thought about it yet

You're not getting this message?

https://i.imgur.com/m59urxu.png

Users can't skip this image if they don't turn off/disable their adBlock on my site. (Supposedly?!)
Which adblock do you use?

It takes years to build some hundred thousands of views per day and more difficult to maintain them and increase the amount of unique views.Who is going to pay you that much money to advertise and why not on this forum itself ?

I would like to just get paid playing some video games that with gambling I think I will lose more money with it.
Also is not that fun at all is with faucets I just prefer betting and losing with faucet than earning.

Nope I don't see it. I am using latest version of Firefox with Adblock Plus 2.7. I have also tried latest version of Chrome with Adblock Plus 1.10, and I don't see that message either.

Of course,that's gamling too,Suppose for example from the faucet you bet and bet and somehow able to reach say 0.05 btc(having great luck though) and then you play with it,won't you think it's gambling? and won't you be disappointed if you lose that 0.05 btc on 1 bet?
My point is if you can afford to lose some bitcoins usually small then you won't think as it is gambling but if you convert that small amount into some decent amount of bitcoins that you will be disappoined on losing then surely you will treat it as gambling.

I would say that you are still gambling, just not with any money you have deposited.

It's still a gamble and you're taking the same risks.

Site has been online for like 5-6 days. Those are my google stats:

https://i.imgur.com/bCoBDK1.png


I am planning to create a network where people will be "gambling" with faucet money. This is the first game of the network.

Totally agree.  Time is Gold. And gold has value.  we even compare it with bitcoin lately, i remember there was a thread about it. :)

Well, if a site is giving you faucet and then dont let you deposit to casino via other sources other than their own faucet, then it means owner wants you to have fun with the money you get at his faucet and just spend it at casino.

I don't consider it gambling unless you deposit YOUR funds that you've worked for or whatever.

As long as it it's deposit-free, it's fine.

Wow... I wish there were a lot more 'gambling' sites like this one.
It would make me a convert.  :)

Funny thing is, the game is rigged, so people don't lose :) They keep earning money while they spin.

That's my view as well.

I'm planning to add more games :) A deposit-free casino network heh

TIME = MONEY

FREE MONEY = MORE PEOPLE

MORE PEOPLE = MORE TRAFFIC

MORE TRAFFIC = MORE INCOME

also well other gambling site give this free to help people test their system. i am not understanding this thing about being paid to gamble xD

It is not considered gambling in this case.Everything which pay you to do something isn't called gambling.If you can make a decent amount of money without need of playing (without any risk of loosing) which can be withdrawn at later time you are just earning without making deposit.You are not gambling as your money isn't at stake in this case.

It is something like no deposit bonus type but you are gambling one way or other.This is pure gambling with others money as playing with faucet money doesn't mean your are playing game and not gambling.

Seems people love "gambling" with faucet money, heh

https://i.imgur.com/iejQzVo.png

If there are win or lose its considering its still a gambling even you said its a game.in that game you still gamble you bitcoins to multiply.
So yes for me that its a gambling.

Lol,nice idea man!

i don't think can is considerate a casino if you can't deposit bitcoin, for me is only a faucet with games.
see freebitco.in is considerate a faucet, but have a dice option and already lottery weekly and you can deposit bitcoin for play, but nobody considerate this site a gambling/dice site

thank you for sharing your website, to be honest i really like it and i hope that i will manage to win something out of this faucet, i really love playing slots but i never manage to make any money out of it

Slots, like any other form of gambling, is made to get casino owners rich.
In this case, I'm being able to pay out because I run ads.

Slot machine is rigged in your favor, so you wont be able to lose.

Gambling is either playing games of chance for money or taking risk. You are playing a game of chance (slot) for money (btc) and you are risking your coins you earned from a very small work therefore it is gambling. :D Personally,  I would still consider it as a gambling even I dont spend some coins from my wallet.

your game is the best, i was looking for a long time for something like this and i stumbled upon this faucet, thank you for letting me try out my slots skills for free and even a possibility to make money

that is an interesting idea also im curious how much profit do you make out of the adds that are involved in the website, i will try it out a few more times i wish you good luck with it

Maybe this will help you a bit:

https://i.imgur.com/lBFutTz.png
6 days stats

Tried it out to check what it's about; as far as i see, there's no way you can lose here, as you keep getting new faucet money before you even spin credits away,
but the thing is that it's pretty much worthless to waste time there.

The positive thing is that the site will probably last long because it will generate enough funds from ads on the site to keep paying out to it's players.
As a concept, it's interesting, but it just isn't gambling, nor is it interesting, at least to me, but i'm sure there will be people who will think otherwise.

Nope you have 70 whatever years on average if you are lucky so you only lose your life if you spend your whole time grinding faucets haha.  People only waste their time for so long and then reality sets in and they have to change tactics.

I'm not that certain that even faucet grinders will be interested in this one, atleast not for long because 80-ish satoshi per claim is much lower than dice sites
offer to people at most basic levels.
If they would make an android app, on the other hand, there's a chance people would use it when bored, but even that is a stretch claim. Guess time will tell tho..

I would have to say this is not gambling if you can't deposit and it is just a faucet that's all it is, a faucet. In theory you could see any faucets that have a chance to win more than a set number of satoshi as free gambling.

Well you can withdraw right? If you can, that means that you are still risking your coins, even if you did not deposit them.
I started from 0 in the gambling world, with poker freerolls. I used some of that money to make some bets, and now I keep doing both, and I can even withdraw, without ever having to make any deposit from my bank account. But I know those are my funds and that I am risking them, because I can stop and just withdraw all my money, so I'm gambling for sure.

If there is no risk in losing your money, i dont think that is call gambling,

its called game with reward, since if you win you can withdraw your winning and you dont lose anything if you are losing

Basically,the faucets are worthless.Even if were allowed to gamble won't make any difference ,its proven.I think the minute you Enter a gambling site and claim money from the faucet,you're into the big bold world already.

What gambling is defined by is entertainment through risk of things like assets or funds that could be a personal setback if you lose them.

But if you can't gamble with your own money, I don't see why it or gambling. It's gambling with funds that aren't yours. It should also only be for entertainment.

Well, I mean in a sense from what OP was talking about, is that it's through faucets which cost you time. Time is a pretty valuable thing, atleast in my eyes, so it's not like it's "free" by any way of thinking about it. You are essentially gambling your time in a way.

So you could be doing miscellaneous stuff to siphon the faucets for a couple of hours and make a bet that risks your whole stash you accumulated during that time. Honestly, I think I would be more pissed in that scenario, rather than losing funds you actually purchased and deposited on the site.

right but that money is also earned by your hard work, so what you would call it then ?

There's no risk factor, because l because you're not risking anything. Maybe you might be risking a little faucet payout, but who cares?

I honestly think it's something like freebitco.in. I don't consider it as gambling, and who deposits there anyway? xD

Gambling without risk isn't gambling.

But you can't deposit your coins in the OP website/faucet/casino. :O

If player can't deposit than they are not risking there own coin during play so i think this shouldn't be considered as gambling.

Not sure why, but I like this answer the most :D

i think more user deposit to freebitco.in for gamling with a dice, because the really faucet user don't play the satoshi earn, but have more player use this site only for gambling.
And now, freebitco.in have add already 1 ticket to lottery free every 8500 satoshi bet to dice (this week his lottery have paud 3 btc to the first)  ;D

Just make the game much more intresting i think it will work out .

Not sure if you know what are you talking about, because you're spamming/farming posts.

How do you suggest me to make the game more interesting? ::)

Faucet grinders are stuck in some mental pattern where they want to find a way to make easy money for not much thought and without leaving the house.  Its a worthy goal but even if successful for a period you'd probably have to adapt very soon after since sites will catch on.

IMO it is still gambling even if you do not deposit a cent. As other commentators pointed out you "depositing" your time and the time is money. Anothter question whether a government considers it gambling and therefore blocks the site in the areas where gambling is prohibited?

I consider it gambling. Some people said that there are no risk factor as you got that BTC for free. In my opinion it doesn't matter if you got that money for free or if you did something for that (actually watching ads falls to the "doing something" category). That money is already yours, you can withdraw it if you want, but if you risking your very own sats by playing there, then that's gambling.

It's more gaming, than gambling to me.

You can call ordinary "gaming" on steam gambling as well, since you're investing your money in games which are made 10000% to waste your time and bring you 0 profit. Because even if you sell your items in those games, it's illegal and you can get banned. So, you're risking to lose your investment.

Yup, it's considered as a gambling. Even though you're not spending your money, but you're wasting your time.
Time = Money
So if you are theoretically spending your money

What if time doesn't exist? :)

Interesting thought there. U want to discuss about theories and stuff in gambling section ya ? -.-

So if time doesn't exist and there is no mark then what is the alternative measurement. we are not moving along time-space axis ? give me some reference to your statement to look up then we might need to start a topic elsewhere my friend.. it will be a big discussion.

Everyone is telling his own theory, so I'm telling my own theory.

If we agree with Einstein's theory, that everything is relative, then sure, it doesn't exist.

"Time" is man made measurement which doesn't exist in the nature/universe.

But you're 100% right, this discussion can go waaaay far if we start talking about Quantum theories.

Yes lol great to see some physics used in gambling, and if you just read the thread title, you would get confused, as why will someone pay you to gamble ?

I would like to have that discussion if ur willing to.

i am currently working a junior research fellow in an nanotechnology institution and heck i love science !!

time exist or not, still can convert to money anyway. put those theories here is completely off-topic and ridiculous, wrong direction. i don't believe that u guys even can't see it for yourselves.

Yes, you are gambling - gambling for free essentially. That money was given to you for free. It is now yours and you gamble it. Any winnings are yours. If you lose, you lose that money that was given to you for free.

It's of course gambling because you "earned" that money doing something, and even if the process was "passive" it became your money at that point, the same kind of money you earn in your daily job even if it's a very small fraction of it. And then you decide to gamble it. That's it. There's nothing wrong with gambling though, just enjoy yourself and don't bet what you can afford to lose, really, consider that money gone, similar as if you would pay for a movie ticket. It's all entertainment.

Playing a dice game with a normal 1% house edge is a gamble, but it is still a gamble even if it has a jackpot that is huge enough to make the game to give a positive EV. So I think your site should still be considered as a gambling site.

Would it be still gambling if the house edge was 0%?

When Primedice 3 first rolled out, it had a PvP page allowing players to gamble against each other and PD took nothing from it (no fee or commission). IMHO, it is still gambling when the house edge is 0% because you are still risking some money for some profit.

I think I have seen this in actual casinos, or at least there was a rumor that in some Vegas casinos they paid some people to stand in some of the machines and just keep rolling all day, because when people saw other people playing, then the people outside would be more inclined to join too, just to make it look more crowded than it was. I think this is actually a good idea for new casinos to get the ball rolling. Successful casinos don't need this as they get legit clients all the time.

What about if you add more games into your website? I love playing on website that have various of games that I can choose. :-D

(Keep it between us, but I'm planning to do that in the near future! Will add more games!)

I too agree with this. Many users find it no harm in gambling the free bonus but even though they consider it a risk-free bet, they are still considered as a user who gambles the amount.
If they lose it while gambling, that's also consider a loss. There are websites as well that offer bonuses to users and it's compulsory for the users to gamble and withdraw the money. In that case, they are paid to gamble.

adding more games is one of the good idea that we can get free bonuses to earn or to use it in gambling..
I think combination of gambling and faucets are will be rise(shine) in the future.
I hope this project will be done soon..

the faucet is really nice and it looks like you put in some decent work into it, its design is really cool, im pretty sure it will now be my most favorite faucet gambling website, thank you for the great work

I wouldn't consider this being paid to gamble. Gambling from a faucet can take up a lot of time, and you know what they say "time is money." Ive also noticed these types of sites your talking about are just purly for advertising and usually have a massive house edge. Best to just find one that you can deposit and do so. Good luck.

So we are talking about your signature and your website here huhhh? Nice advertisement trick ;).
Just tried open the Site and its looks heavy to load for me, no mobile optimization it's ok . the idea creating faucet website based on gambling itself not bad. Goodluck.

Yes, we are talking about the website which is located in my signature. I thought it was obvious ::) :)

What kind of device are you using? I tried it on a few smartphones, and had 0 issues loading it.

Thanks

Hey, thanks man, really appreciate it. This is just the beginning. I'm planning to add more games in the near future.

People lack of imagination heh. I will be adding more games, with nice bonuses :)

Future is bright!

That is a nice idea

I will play it if the games are fun , may be people can make mmorpg zombies game with real currency ( Bitcoin ) .

Well, I cannot wait to play your new games. So, what kind of new games will be added?
Something new, maybe?

In that case its not really gambling, especially since you are playing a game for entertainment and not risking any money.

free bonus is free so ya users don't mind gambling them while they enjoy playing, i would gamble them too after all its just free and you never know, those free coins can win big any minute.

I cannot say unfortunately, don't want people steal any ideas before I realize them :(
It happens a lot in this field

Do you really think anyone has made significative profit from doing that? Faucets generally give you like 1k satoshis to 10k satoshis which is a pretty low amount of money, winning 1 bitcoin from that amount is close to impossible and yea maybe there is someone that won 1 bitcoin from that once every 3 years but you might aswell just save the money from the faucets instead of gambling it.

Gambling should be considered as a form of entertaining in my opinion.

I'm not looking for hostages on www.FaucetGame.com, but for people who want to do their faucet thing and enjoy playing games which aren't bringing them losses

I dont really think that you can get much from faucet though. And there is no way that you would hit max payout because of the house edge. That means you can't get your big winning there. Although it is free money it will still back to the owner too so you are wasting your time there

Actually, it's not a ordinary slot machine. It's rigged so it pays out people. It favors the user.

A lot of people have hit BIG WIN so far. Except me, lol. Been "testing" the slots for a very long time, to see what are good chances.
1/10 people will hit it every 2 hours :)

if so, then if you want this free bet, which if successful, of course if you increase the gain, it is considered to catch gambling, and it turns out that theoretically comes with a free bet as part of gambling, it turns out that the tap, but which is present on the website with gambling relates to gambling, even though the crane is in a separate as a kind of gambling method is where also have the option of betting, and where there are variations of winnings, is so modified that it has become child's play due to minor deductions, although in fact the crane is gambling

As I mentioned i See teh point in physical casinos, but in virtual casinos? Well maybe it's actually not a bad idea, since you could fake some traffic, as in making people think there is a lot of people playing in your site, just to get the ball rolling (cant blame anyone doing this because competition is insane), so just like they pay for sig campaigns, they could pay some BTC's to people so they play and generate some volume of play, which in returns attracts more people, which in return attracts more people... and you get started.

Thing is, this wont become a "casino" ever. I will never allow deposits.

Okay, it is fine if you can't tell me now.
TBH, I just hope your new games is not a new slot with different themes because I'm sick of that. xD

Yes very very true, I think faucet are just for starters who still dont know bitcoins and gambling with the amount you get from faucet is seriously either funny or you are too desperate for gambling.

i love gamble.. but sometime not easy because we can loss all of our money .
i think we should remain away from All gambling things

I've used faucets that are present on the casino that I gamble on and I've made multiple payouts of the profit I made from those faucet requests. It's not completely free though, since you're still spending time on it that could be used in other ways to make even more money.

Hey, you're talking to me ;p

I wont be adding different slot themes, but real games! :)

"Casino" games, casual games, etc. You wont get bored ever!

it is a really interesting idea in my opinion, the fact that you are using a faucet to let people play is very interesting i must admit, hopefully this website will be really successful

You know just playing gamble one a 6 month is okay to do.
Just have a budget for gambling and that money you need to know for your self that you can afford to lose it.
If you think don't want to lose it playing gambling si a bad idea. Or just play gambling, but demo.

Yes exactly, your time is basically your deposit, you cant say its just free or such.
The time you spent to earn the money as faucet was your investment or deposit :). But it's better in my opinion than simply watching useless videos on youtube are chatting with friends in facebook, at least with these faucets earning, we will be able to gamble which may eventually will help us to make more money if we are lucky enough.

Yeah indeed, when you do it in your free time, it's just a cheap form of entertainment that will occasionally earn you some extra money :)
In my case, I would be watching Youtube video's or tv-shows instead. So not a complete waste of time in my situation.

if it is free then the answer is yes, I liked all of the free, because it is part of my motto, do not do business if spending money, and run a business if it was free  ;D

Can I know how much do you earn using faucet? I dont think that you can get good amount just playing with faucet. Because first thing is faucet is small amount so your profit will be sure below than that or if you can manage it to get more I dont think you can get more than 0.01. So for what wasting time to get that low money? Better to stay at signature campaign and it can pay more than that

I agree with the people above. Money what you earn are due to your effort and time in some business. Time is an asset. You earn something with your time and effort and risk it in gaining a large outcome or nothing at all, it surely is a gamble. And it's not something new, many sites popularly freebitco.in are offering the similar gambling options.

Yeah, agree on some points, but www.FaucetGame.com is rigged and it favors the user. Slot machine has odds against the house. User can't lose in the long term. Just wanted to show people how casinos earn, but in this case, they are the casino :)

this is slot game,not casino or other gambling,you guys just promote your site with good way,but your statment is have contradiction with your site,i pick the right answer,because i ever play slot game like this,not too interesting,too small reward ;D

The point of www.FaucetGame.com is to be a faucet, which entertains people, not a casino.

Its purpose is not to make people rich, but to provide entertainment and some free coins

Oh, I do not know that I'm talking to you. jk ::)
Well, we will see how good is your new games once it is released into the wild.

oh wow i have neve seen something like this, i think the idea of it has a lot of potential, also many users will use it for sure what will let you earn money from ads

There is something called 'mental accounting'. Although money is fungible, they tend to slot it into different mental accounts. They are far more likely to gamble money earned from faucets, than money earned from a day job.

It still puts the gambling addiction in you. So later in the future you will be more likely to deposit and play.

Well in my opinion,
Betting a REAL satoshi's will be consider
a gambling. Look, you give free satoshis from your faucet.
Then they gamble it to get more. so even you dont deposit.
It is consider also as gambling. Instead they withdraw it in faucetbox
or btc address they choose to try their luck to get even more coins.
Well thats gambling. And also, Its the same in other gambling sites also.
They have their faucets on it. Even they have deposit address, its just the same,
As when people play only with their faucet, even they dont deposit, they are also gambling.

It is still gambling as you are spending bits of Bitcoin, which you earned from a faucet which you used your time on. I would consider it gambling.  ??? ??? ??? ???

Well, OP already said his site does not allow users to deposit and also will never allow deposits. BTW, I do agree with the others that the site should be classified as a gambling site, as it is pretty much like someone going to PD and only playing with the faucet money.

I doubt anyone has ever made any significative profit from faucets only, you might aswell just save the money from the faucets instead of gambling it, gambling should be for fun, people still think you can get rich and have profit everyday from casinos.

Faucets are a great way o get started within the Bitcoin ecosystem, you can get your first satoshis for free and test in a real situation how sending actual Bitcoin would be like so you learn the functionality of a wallet this way and you can test it with a friend that also can easily get some satoshis from a faucet. Other than that is a big waste of time.

It is "technically" gambling, but it is not going to ruin your life.
So in that regard, it is okay.

It is definitely gambling as you are betting real money. Even if you earned it from a faucet it is still considered gambling.

I think his signature says user' always wins and if there is no loss then it is not risky anymore and so it cannot be considered as gambling.If you have the only chance to win then it's like guaranteed money/profit from investments etc...

I think it's still gambling, because you still use your own bitcoin and it's from a faucet. As long as you still using your bitcoin for gambling is still gambling.

If I understand it correctly, OP has only made the slot payout high enough such that the game is profitable to play (+EV from the viewpoint of users) It doesn't mean users always win.

well if u invest ur time to get the faucet, den it is urs. but u decide to take the chance to double it, so that is still gambling. you can choose to keep it and wait till u got enough to withdraw or so.

Yeah in the end you will get ban from them because of abuse their faucet. Btw if deposit is never allow on this site I dont think it will never called gambling then because you dont really use your money to do things just like faucet that give you 500 sat each hour or something like that

The site is built as a faucet. Just like the other faucets, it collects revenue with ads impressions and clicks and share part of it with its users. I doubt OP will ban the frequent users. Instead, he should be more than happy if you stay on his site all the day.

This is just like those app on game store , free digital money for you to play and you can buy free digital money with real money ..

Why would I ban someone?

Isn't it normal that someone who "abuses" (by using bots/multiple accounts) gets banned?

We don't sell any credits.

I tried it and it's really cool but as people level up and are able to bet more, won't you end up loosing way too much money? I mean I know you have ad revenue but it's not going to be enough, I still feel like there is some kind of trick that you are not telling people.

well i think you can call it gambling but it becomes just a game if you don't deposit anything.

and as long as the game that you are playing (casino, dice or whatever it is) is fun to play and not just waste of time, then i guess it becomes the best thing ever because you will practically get paid to play a game similar to what that counter-strike server was like

I am good at creating demand for products, that's all.
There's no tricks here. Everything is legit :)

I'm going to add more games, which means more people will be coming on the site. That means more ad revenue (and faucet balance).

This is really interesting, now you will feel that you did not actually spent money on gambling and yet stand a chance of winning, so its nice.
But I think the time you spent to get the bitcoins from faucet is already your investment.

Hmm, yes but I, for example, have used the faucet and played the game for an a hour and I was able to make almost 5000 credits and that's only using 1 credit as initial bet, I can't imagine what would happen when someone can bet more, he could use a bot and get a net profit of 20k-50k per hour depending on luck and initial bet, I don't see how you are going to be able to cope with that but hey if you can, congratulations. As I said the site is pretty cool because of the +EV games.

Botters will be banned. I have a custom detection system, so that's not an issue.
I do auto+manual audits each day to see who's botting.

Botters wont be able to withdraw their coins. That's the "catch" :)

The other catch is, levels. Users spend most of their faucet bitcoin on upgrades. It will take time to achieve bigger levels in order to set me back

I wouldn't do this for too long, to start and get the ball rolling it would be good, but Google is really good at catching people driving fake traffic on websites. If you are not using AdSense maybe its not that much a problem, but I would still be wary of driving fake traffic to your site for a long time.

I'm not sure why are you assuming that I'm driving fake traffic on a legit project?

Does this look like fake traffic?

https://i.imgur.com/9EhZNZs.png

put into perspective, thats at most 20 cents an hour, which is completely not worth the time and effort that might have been put into it and a complete waste of time imo. its funny how even then, a lot of people will claim playing with the faucet is profitable and "worth the time" no matter what because it enables them to gamble.

Well considering I personally have managed to build up faucet to nice amounts sometimes, I don't consider them useless at all... PD seemed to be the largest faucet around but BetKing.io seems to have added faucet now too, unlike on PD to get 10k faucet you need to wager thousands but on Betking 100 BTC wagered gets you a 10k satoshi faucet already... Wouldn't be hard to build that kind of amounts up imho.

you are not paid to gamble here, you just get a bonus that needs a lot of wagering in order to withdraw the money, though i wish you good luck trying to win enough

Well if he can detect botters then no it's not going to be worth it, obviously but 20 cents an hour are 4.8 dollars a day which is 144 dollars a month, thats for 1 user only, it's not a huge amount of money but you can see why it can be a problem if a lot of users do it, right?

I understand your point very well.

No, I'm not worried, because the math is more complicated to be honest. Not everyone spends the same amount of time on the site.
I've added some formulas which will help reduce expenses in the long term.

I'm also adding more games in the near future :)

I dont think any rollover is required, or is it required for you to cashout the money ?
If so, then I would call a faucet where you can not cashout your money freely even when you worked hard.

It is not about rollover but about the minimum withdrawal limit. The min withdrawal is 10000 satoshi, and you can only get 80 satoshi every 5 minute by solving the captcha. So in order to make a withdrawal, you will need to keep on playing the slot game for a long period of time.

There are a few users who get 10k withdrawals every 4-6 hours.

of course there r tons of withdrawals cuz it is free, but if the pools can thin out the withdrawal den it is ok. so i think the owner will keep a close eyes on the facuets. these free earners also will be bring in more crowd since they r there for quite an amount of time so it is actually may be a gd stragety.

no one is paying for you to gamble, thats just a bonus that everyone can get in order to try the website out, i doubt that you will have enough success to complete the wagering requirements

i wish you good luck with your sports bets, but i think you will not earn enough money to withdraw, im curious if you will make any money all in all, not even talking about withdrawing

Huh sports bets? What are you talking about? OP's site is not about sports betting but has a slot game only.

Paid around $5 to users so far, made around $70 from ad networks.

Post farmer/sig spammer.

Gonna add 1 more game in the next 48 hours. Working on it like mad atm

With 14x difference between income and expences, have you considered increasing amount of credits per claim ?
Right now it's really low (financial-wised), even tho the site is kinda interesting to play at.
Looking forward to the new game being added, cheers

Hey, glad you enjoy the game/site.

Unfortunately, this is the start, so I'm not sure how much site will be earning in the near future, so I can't increase any payouts yet.
Will need to see what happens when it's stabilized, then I can increase faucet payouts in order to attract more people.

Thanks for your kind words, appreciate it.

As per chat talk; you should add some explanation to the referral limits if there are some.
I don't see how sending hits to promoting your site can be a bad thing. A simple FAQ explaining limitations of referral system aint that hard to add.
btw i stopped promoting from that TE, if that helps.

cheers

It's all good, no worries. Google stats get messed a bit with TE, so I try to limit it.
Just don't want to get banned from AdSense, that's all.

There are no ref limits :)

Will add this in FAQ, thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it!

thats not even guaranteed though, keep in mind that gambling is completely random, and the bot would have to manually withdraw and take out any fees that come with withdrawing. in addition, take into account the electricity costs of keeping the computer running with the bot. chances are, youre spending more on keeping the computer running than youll make from doing that. its a waste of time.

Nah that's not gambling as you are not risking any money from your pockets.but that free faucet money will make you addicted in the long time if you kept gambling and chances are you will end up depositing money in the casino for gambling then that will be real gamble.

I think free faucet is not free because you are spending your time to earn that money.

Some of it is literally only 3 clicks away. You put little effort in it. I believe that as long as you are not spending your own money on a gamble, it's not really a gamble.
Even though technically it is a gamble without any risks.

yes I think same too, because there is no risk, but still saying paid to gamble is wrong.

But you are getting paid from the faucet to

a) Use casino games
b) Withdraw your coins when you hit your threshold :)

Yeah you spending on something waste. The payout and the time you spend is not worth enough, better to try something good like signature campaign, the lowest payout from signature campaign will still better from any faucets in this world

After you're done spamming the forum with signature campaign, what are you going to do? :)

I think the best thing is doing some signature campaign and trading or waiting is also a choice.
There is a lot of think to do with out bitcoin you know you also work.

Also is a great idea to do a online job that pay bitcoin.

I totally agree.

Not sure though, why people think my site is a source of income for users, and not a site where they can have fun chatting and "gambling". lol

a really great idea in my opinion, you will surely have a lot of visitors in your game what will make you some decent money from the advertisements i wish you good luck with it

Thanks, glad you like it :)

Added a new game. (It's still in testing phase though)
Will be launching it on Friday night.

https://i.imgur.com/8KkF651.png

Spamming? That is not the right word for me. First thing faucet is a waste because it is just a small amount and I will totally wasting my time on something that small


This is the second thing. You open site only for people have fun by chatting without earning anything? I dont think this is making any sense. And gambling is supposed to earn some money may be if you are no luck you will lose it. There is no fun at all if you keep on losing all the time

All faucet is source of income though although it is just a little but at least it is free for many of them. So people will keep coming when there is a free thing. Is this some kind of faucet gambling without any deposit? Btw I just login but it is really heavy loading

I believe that if there are no risks then that's not a gamble.
Gambling comes with risks and if you don't take those then it's not a gamble anymore

Yeah that is true, but still gambling is a game like poker or other thing even is demo is still gambling and is not with real money.
Is nice to see that people are taking risk for gambling, but at the end most of it will lose the money and that is just frustrating.

Its also a good idea to promote a site of gambling with a free faucet and later remove it once all are addicted ;)

There is some sense if you say the facuet is just a waste of time and i too agree with that but gambling is so for entertainment and might be fun sometime even if you lose.

yes it is a good idea,but only if people are blind :)

Even if you play with free money, it is considered gambling but still it's better than investing your own money in the website and gambling with the same. It makes you try to win a big amount but you end up losing a lot. Gambling with free money/earned money is always better as you have no regrets then if you lose.

I wish I get paid for playing gambling that would be nice, but I think you need a lot viewers to make a alot of money if you get paid for playing for gambling.

I don't think so, because you can't withdraw the free gamble and the winnings that you're getting until you've got a certain amount.
You're not really taking chances to actually gamble so I don't think it counts. You don't really gain anything from it except entertainment and fun.

Still many confusing comments.

Lots of people say it is gambling, lots of people say it's not gambling

Could be that 'gambling' is the act of playing something that its not up to you to decide if you will win or lose. So would still be gambling but a playful gambling.

i think that it shouldnt be counted as a gambling game, you can not really loose your money here so you are not risking anything, and gambling is playing and risking your money, still an awesome website

This is just a post to advertise your garbage website, 10,000 Credits is impossible to get and for only about 8 cents? LMAO

Someone's garbage, is someone else's gold.

Good advertisement tactic, huh?

PS: People get 10k sat in 4-6 hours, tops.
And this is a faucet, not a site made to make you rich overnight ::)

It is gambling because you don't have to lose real money or even play with money for it to be called gambling. If you played for store tokens it would still be gambling.
Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (...) You are wagering something of value because you own those coins given to you by their faucet.

New wheel game looks good, and it's a nice add'on to the site, to make it more appealing. Hope to see many more such additions.
The only thing i would advise as next step is to work out lag that happens occasionally, if profitability of the site allows it, that is.
All-in-all, very nice work so far.

cheers mate

The site is hosted on a small server right now. It's more like a "test" server of mine, not real hosting :)

Will get a decent dedicated server and put the files there in the near future. (3-5 days maybe?)

The next game I'll add is very popular. It's like the first game ever made for BTC gambling, not hard to guess which one is it! :)

Thanks for you comment, appreciate it.

Technically, those coins aren't "yours" though, because they're still on the website, so it's considered as site's property :P (Until withdrawn)

Here's a sneak peak:
https://i.imgur.com/lf2R1D1.png

Yes,it's good for the popularity and to draw many newbies into bitcoins and provide them some basic amount of knowledge.Faucet's do have many positive outcomes but what do scammers like you do ? take away bitcoins from beginners.

oh yes why you will care for 8cents when you can scam 25$ , at least don't raise fingers when your own deeds are not best ones.

Lol! this is very trivial yet answering it will make you think. But getting  free coins and using it to play the games available is still gambling, because there still the essence of winning and losing and other things that makes it a gambling

I'm still stuck in the "process of thinking", after this much time :)

The way I see it is similar to yours, but I have other information which people don't consider, which makes me confused even more :D

So you are playing and not losing your money, but just earning to play it oh well can I have that as a job.
I think that it will be little a mount of payment isn't it?

My  other dream is playing video games and earning money those bustard earn so much and we just watch :/

I heard that you can learn how to become a pro gamer in Norwegian schools. Move to Norway! :D

Yeah, that's correct. You simply play and you don't lose. It's rigged so you win and increase your stack of credits (satoshi)

Basically they arent paying you , they are a faucet where u earn with faucet and get them available for gambling rather than withdrawing :)

Too much annoying ads and make my eye sick. Please redo the place for ads or you will lose many visitor

yah, it is just to give u a little bit so you can hook on to it and maybe willing to put in some money to hope to win more. that is how they tempt u to put in money.

Well, in our case, we're not and will not allow deposits ever. We're not aiming to lure people with free bitcoin then convert them into gamblers who deposit.

It's a faucet with an extra feature, that's all. (btw, adding new game in the next 4 hours!)

Agreed. This isn't some scheme made for people who wants to be a millionaire in an instant. This is just another site who also wants to earn in the form of adverts and whatnot. It's easy, ignore the site and not play on it rather than tell it's a garbage lol.

Don't be a bitch. What did you expect? Free money but no ads? Don't be stupid, he is giving you literally free money and you complain about the ads, where have you seen a faucet without ads or any website for that matter. He is not going to redo the place and he is not going to lose traffic because of it.

Couldn't said it better myself :)

Censored the words I wouldn't use though, haha

No its not paid to  gamble, i call it taking money hardly earned by faucet users

How do you call ponzies, which you promote, and get negative trust for that? ::)

I have an idea for you to consider; Odds on the site are in each players favor, right ? And from what i understood, it's calculated individually.
Did you consider maybe adding a game with ~10-20 x larger wins,jackpots, and so on, and calculate odds for all players together ?

That way you would open up the chance for people to win much bigger, but your overall stats would stay the same ?
(ofc for each high win, there would have to be a lot of other players who would then lose a lot while odds even out)

That's not a bad idea at all to be honest.

First, I need to finish all games, and then try make it happen. It's not simple. Would have to keep a running calculation of odds.
Can't do that before I move everything to a bigger box :(

Hey, I added dice :)

https://i.imgur.com/gnLrYMi.png

2 new bombs arrive!

#1, Blackjack
https://i.imgur.com/x396HNp.png

#2, Plinko
https://i.imgur.com/ylpzhNo.png

I scanned through this thread but didn't see a proper answer.

First of all, what is/isn't gambling can vary depending on jurisdiction and interpretation of law.

By the rule of thumb, gambling occurs when you risk your own money. Therefore it's all down to whether faucet payouts are considered property of the visitor (user) or the property of website operator.

With a lack of T&Cs, I'd say faucet earnings would more likely be considered as a property of user, since he's able to withdraw them at any time. Therefore, in the above scenario, it would (most likely) be classed as gambling.

But if the site operator is concerned about possible legal consequences, he could construct a simple T&Cs (which users would have to confirm by 'ticking'), making it clear that all the faucet earnings are not guaranteed and belong to the site operator up until the withdrawal is successfully processed.

The above disclosure could be a bit off-putting for users, but it could give operator a solid line of defence when authorities are after him.

Didn't have much time on my hands to test to more extent, but i did check out two newest games - falling fortune and blackjack,
and like i said in previous cases - it's awesome, but i have to say that falling treasure resembles a bit too much to a certain site  :D
Do you have some site statistics you can share with us; did adding of the games increase traffic much ?

Glad you like it :)

I'm not going to share stats publicly, but I'm gonna PM ya.

I do not think you pay all get to go gambling.
The money you earn you have to win yourself. Or you must have sponsors.

Don't be a bitch and start learn to read please. Don't be stupid that can't read  ;)
I said  "Please redo the place for ads". I never said please remove your ads

Earning money from ads = Good placing of ads.

Why would I need to re-do the ads? :(

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous that one would think that you would receive free money basically, to gamble it without any tradeoffs. The business owner wants something out of doing that, so it's understandable that there will be ads. If you are annoyed by ads, there always plugins to use, but I would recommend against those since if everyone used adblock no business would survive.

Users can't play if they don't disable their adblock, so I think it'll be fine ;p

But I really depend on ads, so I don't want to do any modifications on adspots.

Okay the site doesn't allow you to deposit the amount, but does it allow you to withdraw the winning amount you got from gambling with a free coin?
If that is possible, than it is a gamble and also a risk.

Yes, you are allowed to withdraw you credits/coins into faucetbox.com.

Why is it a risk though?

Games are rigged to favor the player, and not the house.

No man, you did not understand it at all I think. See this makes user win more and more money and enjoy the faucet money rather than cashing out and just save a few cents. I think its a good way as newbies will start loving bitcoins.

I just tried the site in your signature. Without ane registration I've got 100 sats to play slots which was nice. Then I've won some making it around 200, then lost some but before I lost everything I was able to claim free sats again even though my balance wasn't zero. I liked it!

As for is this site considered as a gambling site idk, I think it depends on the legislation of a country.

Because he is a sig spammer and he would say anything to get paid for his posts. I have tried the new games and they work very well. I'm surprised that only a few people are interested in this, I guess faucets are not so popular anymore?

I am not targeting faucet users to be honest ;p
I aim to get real gamblers on board. (There's no other reason than ad rev. Deposits wont be opened ever)

Dropping you a PM :)

First thing it is faucet though. People heard about faucet it is like boring and wasting time here. OP should make an auto roll so it will be easier for us and not to waste time here. Second thing is he needs to make some advertisement so it will attract more people to play here. At first I think this will boring too but gradually it is nice to play when waiting for the faucet ;D

I think I have quite a lot of money spent on it. And there I now regret.
 But I did have fun I must admit. I am now better go check with what I spend.

Please read the topic before posting nonsense. The gambling is financed from a faucet and a faucet is financed from ads.

On gambling in general?