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Title: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: a7mos on January 12, 2016, 09:29:20 PM
US military officials say they briefly lost contact with two small Navy craft in the Persian Gulf

Iranian forces seized two US vessels crossing the Persian Gulf it has been claimed, later reassuring American officials that the craft and their crews would be returned unharmed.
The Pentagon has said it briefly lost contact with two small Navy craft in the Persian Gulf on Tuesday but has received assurances from Iran that the crew and vessels will be returned safely and promptly.
Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook tells The Associated Press that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when the US lost contact with them.
Cook says, "We have been in contact with Iran and have received assurances that the crew and the vessels will be returned promptly."
A Pentagon spokesman said that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when US lost contact with them. Fox News claimed that they strayed into Iranian waters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/12096275/Iran-holds-two-US-Navy-boats-in-Persian-Gulf.html


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: Wilikon on January 12, 2016, 09:58:33 PM






Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: Wilikon on January 12, 2016, 11:20:25 PM



Top Dem: Iran's naval seizure 'endangers' nuclear deal



    “I think it endangers everything, I really do,” Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., the panel’s ranking member, told the Washington Examiner.

    “I’m outraged, and Iran needs to release these people as soon as possible or else it would be unthinkable or impossible to make further progress with them on anything as far as I am concerned,” he said.



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2580269/




Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: guoyu78 on January 12, 2016, 11:21:55 PM
this is a really really bad news, I  hope this resolve quickly!


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: Wilikon on January 12, 2016, 11:35:59 PM
this is a really really bad news, I  hope this resolve quickly!


At least it will be resolved in the US media quickly, so not to embarrass 0bama tonight during his live lying show...




Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: stevegreer on January 13, 2016, 12:49:58 AM
this is a really really bad news, I  hope this resolve quickly!


At least it will be resolved in the US media quickly, so not to embarrass 0bama tonight during his live lying show...




Your post made me laugh because it is so very accurate and exactly what Barry does best.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: zenitzz on January 13, 2016, 01:50:43 AM
It still does not explain why they were inside Iran's territory. If one of the were still working, they would know where they really are! They could stay in free way waters or head towards other side of the Persian gulf!!


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: Gronthaing on January 13, 2016, 01:50:51 AM



Top Dem: Iran's naval seizure 'endangers' nuclear deal



    “I think it endangers everything, I really do,” Rep. Eliot Engel, D-N.Y., the panel’s ranking member, told the Washington Examiner.

    “I’m outraged, and Iran needs to release these people as soon as possible or else it would be unthinkable or impossible to make further progress with them on anything as far as I am concerned,” he said.



http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2580269/




Don't they have the right to seize them if the boats entered iranian waters illegally? And near an iranian military base apparently. That being the case don't see how the nuclear deal is affected. Provided the sailors are returned without problems. Looks more like people who don't like the nuclear deal are using anything as an excuse against it.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 13, 2016, 06:15:43 AM
They´ll return them. They seem to to have drifted into Iran´s territory. It´s standard procedure to detain them there and check what they were doing. No big thing.

In the Iranians shoes I´d keep the boats. Free is always good´especially when it´s delivered on a silver plate.  ;D


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 13, 2016, 08:22:34 AM
Or maybe I´d say

OK, here´s your sailors. I need to keep the boats for a while for investigation. You´ll probably receive the hulls in 2-3 weeks, the rest in boxes later.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: xht on January 13, 2016, 01:18:17 PM
Two boats developed mechanical difficulties at the same time? One could not tow the other? And they both ran aground on an Iranian island? At 2am in the morning?


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 13, 2016, 01:41:58 PM
Two boats developed mechanical difficulties at the same time? One could not tow the other? And they both ran aground on an Iranian island? At 2am in the morning?

Yeah, yeah It´s 5,000,000 to one but that doesn´t mean that it couldn´t happen. But let´s not focus on that. The main thing is the Iranian aggression and how they´re holding those poor sailors hostage.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: xht on January 13, 2016, 01:51:29 PM
Iran Releases U.S. Sailors Accused of ‘Trespassing’

TEHRAN — Iran has released two United States Navy patrol boats and 10 crew members who were described as “trespassing” in Iranian waters near a major naval base, state news media reported on Wednesday.

The Pentagon and the State Department said that one of the boats had experienced mechanical problems en route to Bahrain from Kuwait on a routine mission on Tuesday, and the Iranians appeared to have accepted that explanation.

The release was announced shortly before 10 a.m. on an Iranian state-run news channel, IRINN. “The detained U.S. Marines, after it was realized that their entry into Iran’s territorial waters was unintentional, and after the Marines apologized, were released into international waters in the Persian Gulf,” the channel reported, attributing the statement to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.

The United States Naval Forces Central Command in Bahrain confirmed the release, saying in a statement that there were “no indications that the sailors were harmed during their brief detention” and that the Navy would “investigate the circumstances that led to the sailors’ presence in Iran.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/world/middleeast/iran-navy-crew-release.html?ref=world


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: a7mos on January 13, 2016, 01:53:33 PM
So the problem was solved ?

I thought when i read the this news yesterday that there is a war will start to liberate the 2 ships :D Fortunately they release them peacefully 


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: technology2015 on January 13, 2016, 05:34:33 PM
i think the big war is coming ..


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: salinizm on January 13, 2016, 05:39:06 PM
US military officials say they briefly lost contact with two small Navy craft in the Persian Gulf

Iranian forces seized two US vessels crossing the Persian Gulf it has been claimed, later reassuring American officials that the craft and their crews would be returned unharmed.
The Pentagon has said it briefly lost contact with two small Navy craft in the Persian Gulf on Tuesday but has received assurances from Iran that the crew and vessels will be returned safely and promptly.
Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook tells The Associated Press that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when the US lost contact with them.
Cook says, "We have been in contact with Iran and have received assurances that the crew and the vessels will be returned promptly."
A Pentagon spokesman said that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when US lost contact with them. Fox News claimed that they strayed into Iranian waters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/12096275/Iran-holds-two-US-Navy-boats-in-Persian-Gulf.html

this is the exact motive for a war.. but us forces is not courageous to start this war..


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 13, 2016, 05:49:59 PM
Tempest in a teacup called off.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: moonshine1212 on January 13, 2016, 07:22:18 PM
Iran trust to Russia and they are playing same game because of Iran can hold US boats


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 13, 2016, 07:36:50 PM
This picture was taken five  hours into a nine-hour showing of a compilation of Ajatollah Khomeini´s speeches.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8Lxr8R4m--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/pfrjm5yf52xyocnsghup.jpg


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: Daniel_Th on January 14, 2016, 01:45:52 AM
Iran is a joke.

They try and act like they are important, but the reality is that they are pretty weak. They simply try and do these sorts of things every once in a while so the world at least remembers them.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: Gronthaing on January 14, 2016, 02:04:51 AM
Iran is a joke.

They try and act like they are important, but the reality is that they are pretty weak. They simply try and do these sorts of things every once in a while so the world at least remembers them.

Maybe. But they are important enough for the constant propaganda against them in the west. And not weak enough that the west wants to risk attacking directly and deal with the consequences. Not sane people anyway. Mostly just some idiots in washington and riyadh.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 14, 2016, 02:16:09 AM
Did you notice how garbage media right away called them sailors? This is an example of how they make some things appear innocent and others guilty. Minimizing vs. maximizing. They don´t look like sailors to me. These are soldiers, marines.

http://www.presstv.ir/photo/20160113/149d7121-d80c-4d8b-8895-523819dcdc3c.jpg


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: vero on January 14, 2016, 03:02:19 AM
Obama not mentioning the sailors being held in Iran was wise, This is an unfolding story, and we dont know what is happening behind the scenes. I believe they will be free by Thursday, or they may be free now.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: Gronthaing on January 14, 2016, 03:49:09 AM
Did you notice how garbage media right away called them sailors? This is an example of how they make some things appear innocent and others guilty. Minimizing vs. maximizing. They don´t look like sailors to me. These are soldiers, marines.

Yes. And one of the roles of those boats can be for transporting amphibious infantry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CB90-class_fast_assault_craft and interesting that they left the island where they were kept in the same boats. Must not have been a serious mechanical problem after all.

Obama not mentioning the sailors being held in Iran was wise, This is an unfolding story, and we dont know what is happening behind the scenes. I believe they will be free by Thursday, or they may be free now.

They were released wednesday morning. So released less than a day later or something: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-continues-to-hold-10-u-s-sailors cbsnews hasn't updated the link to the story apparently.



Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: mu77aL on January 14, 2016, 03:59:24 AM
Still asking why thoose us navys are outta there ;)
Maybe supporting thoose goat lovers?  ::)


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: enhu on January 14, 2016, 04:16:49 AM



Assuming the Navy are just along the international waters, there should have no problems with Iranians regardless of what their purpose of taking its path.
They still have good communications though but doing it to the Chinese vessel could mean war.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 14, 2016, 07:18:49 AM
These patrol boats are pretty well equipped with three 50 caliber machine guns and other light and semi-heavy weapons. Yeah, I guess that if I needed to detain heavily armed soldiers I´d probably make sure that they had their hands where I could see them, like behind their heads. Soldiers, not least marines, are extremely dangerous people, they´re trained to be extremely dangerous. So you take precautions. Not because you expect something unpleasant to happen, it´s just that you make sure that nothing happens at all that they need their hands for. Why that insane McCain and other political fruitcakes are whining on about such a normal procedure is beyond me. They have no respect for soldiers. To them it´s just tools.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 14, 2016, 07:50:25 AM
And then some retarded expert told garbage media that the Geneva Convention had been broken. Right. Those rules only apply during active military conflict between nations. When you have weirdos in the United States (some of them trying to become the commander in chief of the armed forces) losing their minds and talking crazy end spewing bullshit, of course you send out pictures of those poor sailors in troubled waters and their arsenal. See how harmless they look?  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLCY_qp7kKc


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: xht on January 14, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Iran’s Swift Release of U.S. Sailors Hailed as a Sign of Warmer Relations

WASHINGTON — A crisis over the seizing of two American patrol boats in the Persian Gulf was averted Wednesday when Iran returned the craft and released their crews as Pentagon officials struggled to explain how the boats had ended up near a major Iranian naval base.

Their quick release was hailed by the Obama administration as an unintended benefit of the new diplomatic relationship with Iran established by the nuclear accord negotiated between Tehran and the United States and five other nations in July. The accord is expected to go into effect next week, ending the oil and financial sanctions imposed on Iran over the past decade, and giving it access to around $100 billion in frozen funds.

Thanking the Iranians for their cooperation, Secretary of State John Kerry said Wednesday that “we can all imagine how a similar situation might have played out three or four years ago.”

Mr. Kerry negotiated the release in at least five phone calls with Mohammad Javad Zarif, the Iranian foreign minister. Senior American officials described the American-educated Mr. Zarif as clearly worried that the episode could sink the nuclear accord on which he and President Hassan Rouhani have staked their legacies.

Mr. Kerry, one of his top aides said, in essence told Mr. Zarif at one point that “if we are able to do this in the right way, we can make this into what will be a good story for both of us.”

But it is still not clear how much influence Mr. Zarif had over the events: The Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps has been engaged in an open power struggle with Mr. Rouhani’s government. It is still not clear who decided to release the sailors.

Even as Mr. Kerry was describing the release on Wednesday morning, American military officials were offering new explanations about how the two 49-foot patrol boats, formally called riverine command boats, had ended up in Iranian territorial waters while cruising from Kuwait to Bahrain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/14/world/middleeast/iran-navy-crew-release.html?ref=world&_r=0


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: galdur on January 14, 2016, 01:37:06 PM
...were offering new explanations... Interesting. The story is changing. That´s not good but of course to be expected out of Washington DC. I wonder if a little waterboarding could help. No, not those marines, they´ve given the correct story no doubt, it´s the people that are struggling to cook up the convenient story from the evidence that I think need some enhanced interrogation.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: stevegreer on January 15, 2016, 01:00:32 AM
Did you notice how garbage media right away called them sailors? This is an example of how they make some things appear innocent and others guilty. Minimizing vs. maximizing. They don´t look like sailors to me. These are soldiers, marines.

http://www.presstv.ir/photo/20160113/149d7121-d80c-4d8b-8895-523819dcdc3c.jpg

Negative. The Navy's Riverine Squadrons are part of the Expeditionary Warfare Community. These are sailors.


Title: Re: Iran holds two US Navy boats in Persian Gulf
Post by: rokkyroad on January 15, 2016, 03:36:08 AM
It's embarrassing seeing the greatest military on earth, on their knees with hands behind heads. 

I watch American movies and their soldiers are invincible.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397254/Pictured-Ten-U-S-sailors-captured-Iran-Revolutionary-Guard-RELEASES-snooping-row-naval-incursion.html