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Britain's Cameron says if you don’t learn English, you may be deported

 
LONDON — British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday threatened to deport spouses who don’t learn English as part of a wider government effort to stamp out segregation and tackle radicalization.

Speaking to the BBC, Cameron said that those who speak poor English are “more susceptible to the extremist message.”

Cameron also said the British government would spend £20 million ($28.6 million) on English lessons for women.

While the lessons will be targeted at immigrant woman from “isolated communities,” Cameron highlighted the Muslim community in particular, saying that there were 38,000 Muslim women in the U.K. who don’t speak any English, and 190,000 who spoke poor English.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/18/britains-cameron-says-if-you-dont-learn-english-you-may-be-deported/

What he's saying makes perfect sense in the context of radical islam, it's not so bad for other countries that don't have these kinds of problems, but if you only understand the language of the people that oppress you and tell you what to believe rather than exposing you to other ideas then it stands to reason that's what you're going to believe, it doesn't matter if you're in a new country, you can still be isolated if you don't know the language and don't know how to communicate with other people.

I can't believe there are twats out there who would criticise him for pointing that out since it's so simple, but then again, I live in this shit hole and know exactly the kind of people that would criticise him, it seems that they've toned down the rhetoric now though because of Cologne but I wouldn't hold me breath because it won't be long since they go around screaming at people again and calling them racist for pointing all this out.

Well, if you come in foreign country in order to start new life and you don't even make effort to learn language, how much serious you are?
If you can't communicate you can't work, integrate in society, etc.
I agree with Cameron.

how about if you don't know english you aren't allowed to come

I'm learning Japanese myself so that I can hopefully live properly in Japan one day, so yeah, if you're going to live in a country long term you should learn the language. I don't agree that for most non-violent cultures it's such a problem though that it needs to be a blanket requirement because let's face it, we've got quite a few Poles that have immigrated over here to the UK and they cause absolutely no trouble at all you never hear about problems from others either

However the Arabs and Africans that come over here from predominately Islamic countries constantly cause problems because they're either from war zones or areas that have deep ties to radical Islam or just as bad have Islamic kings ruling them.

it's ironic, do not have feelings. Great goal but how wrong.
every human being has different abilities we can not force them to be as we want

Cameron is absolutely right. In my opinion, if you are about to settle in some country at least you should talk their language and know their culture. Lot of problems would be prevented that way. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

It's only an idea so far, I'm waiting to see how it will materialize. Very few people living in the UK don't speak at least some of the language. The PM talks about "poor English", but how do you define it? Some teenage girls who left for Syria were going to school, and they fully understand the language.

As usual, the left-wing loonies of the Washington Post has exaggerated what Cameron said. It would be a good idea to deport all these illiterate immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh back to their native nations. But I don't know how practical is that. Even hardcore criminals from these countries have avoided deportation, by claiming that their home countries are not safe to return.

The Muslim men want their women suppressed and not able to take classes to learn English, which would keep them from advancing intellectually and acculturating into English culture. If they don't want their women to acculturate, then don't leave your countries.

You can't have it both ways. And if the only information you hear comes from Islamic sources, yes, you are more likely to become an extremist. England is protecting itself. If you don't like it, go back to your country.

He´s right. If you speak the language you are much more likely to be accepted by the natives. I know this from experience, when you can communicate with someone in your own tongue, everything changes. Color or religion becomes just minor details.

Well with the coming immigrants it would really be helpful if they can speak English for job opportunities so that they wont just become a liability to the government.

Politically it would just increase the population and the employment rate's gonna go down.

Perhaps that is the reason why the Muslim men don't want their women to learn English. In Muslim societies, cases of Muslim men marrying non-Muslim women are very common. In other cases, married Muslim men keep non-Muslim mistresses or concubines in addition to his Muslim wives (especially in Saudi Arabia, Sudan.etc).

However, marriage of Muslim women to non-Muslim men is a taboo. Even if the non-Muslim man expresses his desire to convert to Islam, the permission is granted very rarely. The Muslim clerics argue that if the Muslim women learn English and other "Western" languages such as French and German, the cases of inter-marriages will increase.

I don't see a problem. I don't really think there is one?

People should at least learn the language if they want to come to the UK!

We don't really want everyone speaking different languages in the UK, that is how people become isolated!

We don't want people to be isolated do we?

if you want to be part of british community, you should learn how to speak in english.. this is not a racist discrimination ot something.

Yes, I´m sure that you´re on to something there. Inability to communicate with the natives leads to isolation which is probably what many of these people are interested in. And they seem to fear assimilation.

need tangible evidence on these solutions, so everything felt calm and safe

I think Cameron is right on this one as I can't see what's the purpose of working or even being in a country in which you can't speak the language and have poor communication skills at that's the number one factors into establishing a good relationship with those you work for nor those you try to talk to.

I wonder if the same rules apply if you are a billionaire or multimillionaire living  in London who does not speak English  ???

These days, most people seem to speak American here.

Skedule and math ( don't they know there is more to mathematics than arithmetic). :)

How many of the billionaires are not fluent in English? Even if someone is not that fluent, it won't be difficult for him to hire a translator, if the need arises. Also, many of these billionaires are net contributes to the British economy, paying tens if not hundreds of millions of UKP in taxes every year. This group includes Italian mobsters, Russian mafia henchmen, African dictators.etc, but that is another topic.

The same can't be said about the welfare rats from Bangladesh and Pakistan, who are like economic parasites.

every human being must have tolerance, as well as in work.
it does not matter if required, but all must be put on the step by step

What he's saying is a perfect nonsense because it concerns only Muslim women. He wants immigrants to learn English? Fair enough. Then he should create an education system in order for all migrants to learn English while being temporary accepted in the country. It's not a bad idea if it's well done cause learning the common language is mandatory in order to integrate correctly a population.

Problem here is that he's just giving some money for Muslim women. What about all the men? Or what about all the other religions/cultures/nationalities? That means if I'm a Senegal male migrant it's ok for me not to learn English?

It proves that he's only looking for voters, that he doesn't give a fuck about immigration and their conditions.

This might be true, at least partly: I think that all the politicians are only looking for voters. On the other hand when they are trying to attract more voters they are doing good things to society too. And that's a good thing that people who don't know English will be able to learn it with the support from the Government.

totally, but the fact that it's just a political move make me doubt it will be put in place in the right way.

But the principle is good, it's just totally stupid and unfair to promote it only to "muslim women"

That's the stupidest thing I've heard today. Do you think the Chinese lives by that rules? They have a lot of visitors and they strictly respect their Language. But they also accept others who speak English live in their country and work. A restriction on language shouldn't be applied by any Country's Government cause it's peoples willingness to communicate in the language they desire.

I disagree, it's important to be able to talk the language of the country you emmigrate too. Doesn't mean you shouldn't talk your native language, but it's important to know the one of your new home. Simply because it helps on everything, integration, administrative papers, education of next generations...

But this is a stupid idea to impose it. How do you even measure the level of English after 2.5 years? And what is the correct level? What if some English people don't have this level?  ;D

Better would be: don't know english don't come..if we speak about people from non EU countries looking for job in UK, one of the first thing you must is that you know English language and on upper level..It's horrible that you deal with people living there without knowing language, and they sholuld be deported..The mistake was that they were allowed to enter UK without knowing the language. So deport them and also make a new law: if you do not know english don't try to come, you won't be allowed to stay

And I would love to see the figures of bits who live in France and Spain who can't speak one word of the local lingo.  I've certainly met enough.

yes , you are definitely right.. we should speak language of a countury where we live..

WHAT are you smokin tonight?

What is figures of bits who live in....?

Crack and virgin pubes.

About a million Brits live in France and Spain. But we speak the best language and usually have some money so that's ok.

Wat??  Is it April Fool's day already?  This has got to be the most biscocked flizxlejim I've ever hoid.  Tony Blair is a tool but Im aall for larning the English.   But seporting tehm?  Craziness lol. ;D

This is bullshit and pretty racist. *rolls her eyes* Mon dieu.

Ahah! Hello French friend  :D

Not sure it's stupid to help and motivate them to learn English. Seems rather normal.
The main problem is the really sharp selection... Only women? And Muslims? Just.... Why?

Heh, nice comeback. Cracked me up.  ;D

Well, I doubt that he intends to deport them. It´s probably mostly just incitement. Well, that´s not exactly the word I was looking for. Encouragement?

why should women? and Muslims?
always irritate me why these people who have been marginalized.
if the others are not required to like them too?

you are god damn right .. if you want to live abroad, you should learn its language, culture etc..

Language yes, culture... Why? Why should it be them to learn our culture? I mean, there is no reason for that as long as they learn the language so they're able to communicate with us and they respect the laws.

First of all must learn the language so can work there and understand what's happening there, but learning laws and language of one country means in some way to learn the culture of living there, respecting laws. In Switzerland in some buildings is not allowed to shower between 10pm and 5am. So if you want to live there you must act according their laws and rules so you ll learn culture of life there. Nobody ask them to go on rock concerts, go in bars,pubs, read Shakespeare but to accept basic and common way of living