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Normally I don't do this kind of crap but in this circumstance I think it would serve the community to out this guy for what he is, a child throwing a fit when he doesn't get what he wants, incapable of any rational communication. Additionally I think johnniewalker could use a lesson on how things work around here, maybe he will pull his head out of his ass and learn something for his own good.

Below I am going to list our pm correspondence when I contacted him in regards to purchasing some of his silver coins. This is how NOT to do customer service boys and girls. Hopefully this will save some one the frustration of trying to deal with him.













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LESS THAN A MONTH LATER

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58518.msg1533415#msg1533415

This is why you should probably accept escrow.

He is the seller. I am a buyer. As a buyer I don't really give a shit - this deal isn't that special. I like p2p trades, if he doesn't I will take my money elsewhere. Normally this would be communicated and left at that but he not only seemed to take it personally and get upset about it, but he also made an offer. Then once I agreed again, he changed the terms. My main issue is with his lack of ability to honor agreements as well as his lack of communication skills. I would hate to be on the buying end of a bunk trade with this guy, which is why I would not accept escrow even if it was that special.

Well, if i get it right, this is not actually about accepting escrow or not,
it's about the seller changing his mind.
First he accepts the deal to "test the waters", later he changes his mind and offers escrow. And then he doesn't even admit he changed his mind, denies that he ever did.

Besides that he wonders in what world people blindly send stuff, but at first wanted the buyer to blindly send coins upfront.

Pretty strange that is.  ;D

Why did you refuse escrow? He clearly doesn't trust you.

I know you for a very long time, and some of your deals too, but I wouldn't trade without using the escrow thing either. You can't patronize like that, the actual terms have not changed only the payment security. Take it or leave it, but don't open up a thread to make a fool of yourself.

I love how the whiskey guy thinks he's trustworthy when each and everyone of his offers turned out to be laden with fakes and/or false product descriptions.

As I said earlier I have a personal policy of no escrow UNLESS I am selling or I REALLY want something. In this case, even if I did really want it I wouldn't do escrow because I don't trust this guy further than I could throw him. Additionally he did change the terms, I said very clearly I will not trade with him unless he sends first, he refuses, we go our separate ways. Then he contacts me AGAIN baiting me by saying he will ship first then again changes his mind. I don't feel an ounce of shame for posting this, this is what happens when you curse out your customers and waste their time.

I am no johnnie fan, but something tells me that your main reason for posting is to secure business on this forum for your metal trades in the future.  It's not really like he is competition for you, but I still kind of think this is a bit of a dirty move on your part Tec.

Competition, that's funny. Have I done this to ANY other metal seller? If by your logic this is to increase my own sales how does this help me exactly if he is already pissing off his customers on his own?

you can't agree on a deal with someone and now complaining on the forums? do i need to call a whaaabulance for you?

Did I say you have?  If you want to try reading again, what I said was that it's not like he is competition, you in general looking like much less of an asshat.

I can break down how making your competition look bad makes you look better if you really really want me too, just ask again nicely.

I know believe 100% what I tentatively said earlier.  This thread is intended as a poke in the ribs, it's primary purpose is not to protect other users.

Actually, yes, you do!

You are confusing it with yourself. If it is the truth quote me here I'm game. Let the removal of context begin!

At what point did I say "protecting other users" was my primary purpose? If his own words make him look like an ass, well maybe he should stop acting like an ass.  Your damn right this is a poke in the ribs! I don't like having my time wasted and neither do a lot of other forum users. Of course there are a few here who have TOO much time...

I can look up the meaning of the word "implication" for you, if you want.


Sounds more like what at first glace?  But to tell you the truth I don't care about your *primary* purpose, or how you spend your time.  I care (because it affects me) about actions of users on the forum and I noticed you are acting like a piece of shit.

Personal insults now. I see. Clearly your primary purpose here is to protect the other users on the forum is it? BTW whats a glace?

Lol.  Glance.  Moving right along, did I say that?  No.  As I said--it affects me--for someone who can't read you are awfully picky.

I can read, just using your own words to demonstrate your hypocrisy. Thanks for the help.

lolwut?  Please, explain what you mean by that.  Also:

*Hypocrisy

I can't read? Its spelled correctly already lol.

OK awesome.

So for posterity.  Tecshare: you are grumpy at me, understandably.  I mean, you did something kind of silly and I brought it up.  So you decided to make fun of the fact that I missed an "n" while typing and called me a hypocrite with (what I consider to be) no basis--misspelling "hypocrisy."  Then you went back and fixed it (good for you) and now want to claim you didn't misspell it initially?

Dude.  

The WORD is "hypocrisy"---you are ridiculous!

And I maintain, a total shitstain.  Also the link doesn't work.  

Seems like the entire issue would've been resolved if you used escrow instead of just arguing about your terms.   Frankly, you come off as being just as (if not more) difficult to deal with.

Not trolling you, just being honest.

Yes you all sure taught me a lesson. I wont ever discuss the trading practices of a trader here in the trading discussion area ever again!
(FYI at least 3 of those people are here to make lame attempts at trolling me as they have done in the past, they don't give a shit about the subject whatsoever)



For posterity you forgot the part where you broke out personal insults, then I made fun of your spelling. Hardly escalation on my part.



So even though I don't trust him enough to even use escrow I still should have used escrow? Makes sense.

Are you serious? Great job taking things out of context. I offered to send you 4 x .625 silver coins with payment on receipt-hence the "testing the waters". And you are delusional if you think someone would feel more comfortable just sending you their stuff, without any third party (escrow) involved. You really are an idiot. I have no idea why you decided to pick on me.

Nothing was taken out of context, the entire conversation is there unedited from beginning to end. I am picking on you because you blame everyone else for your lack of communication skills and then you talk mad shit. Stop pretending like you are some poor helpless victim. If you conducted yourself professionally or knew how to communicate none of this would be here. Try talking less shit and actually listen to what your customers are saying to you.

BTW you never offered a partial shipment, you just said: Try typing what you are thinking next time.

I think no one is in the right, in this situation. Tec you couldn've agreed to escrow I mean, both transactions are  after all, not exactly "Refundable", and if the coins where in escrow he'd have some partial comfort in knowing your coins would be "half-way" there.


Then again he offered to video tape himself mailing the coins to you, so you'd have that assurance as well.


And then threw a hissy fit, and you're throwing a bit of a hissy fit on here too.



So, nobody wins, meeting adjourned.

Case Closed.


As a self appointed judge I demand to be paid too -> 19b8BGLuYtz3rwYzifCFCoJZ2ngmyTMWKg

(Will specialize in bird law as well).

Only thing is its my fuckin money - I don't need broney judge to tell me how to spend it thanks. He could be mailing me a bag of washers for all I know, I don't call that assurance. Additionally, this isn't about "winning" it is about making "johnniewalker" own his words. Like I said before, if his own words make him look like an ass, maybe he should stop being an ass.

 :D

No judging just kidding around.


I get why you're angry at the guy, yet I doubt he's a 'professional'.  So can you fault some regular guy trying pawn his silver mint to get the best deal he can?


You both tried being "Fair" to one another, you just couldn't reach an agreement, and J.W. was not playing it cool going back and forward and trying to bait you as in the exchange going back and forth.


He's probably a teenager.


I think you're being too tough on the guy for a deal gone sour. There's plenty other people willing to sell coins after all.


I'm a Libertarian, I like to voice my opinion onthe market with my money, so buy elsewhere is what I'd suggest, plenty of competition keeps the market honest.

what the hell are you talking about lol? i do business with plenty of good people on here.
Also, I was willing to "test the waters" and send the 4 coins to Tec with payment on receipt. Escrow was just something I hadn't thought of before and was asking him about. I wasn't sure about sending my silver coin collection cause that was worth a lot of money to me. I figured if he had the coins, why not send them to some third party and they'd release them to me when Tec got the coins. It wouldn't slow up the transaction at all, and I couldn't think of any reason why he wouldn't do it.
I really don't know why I have so many haters on here. Its whatever though-most of my postings I find a buyer for and the transaction is smooth. You guys can keep talking shit  if you want though.

This discussion was dead, you just revived it.  As far as I have seen so far you have done more than your fair share of shit talking. Maybe less is in order. After all isn't this how you got here in the first place?

All I can say to this is: Duck President.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbVqzZ5dOIY

I do not recall really shit talking at all. What I said I said to defend myself. If you want to talk shit-talkers, who made this thread? The one that exists just to knock me?
You say I talk shit, you can show me some examples.
I don't know what your deal is, really don't.

How about this latest gem from my PM box:
(yes this is the entire message)

lol, fucking buyers here...I swear...

I have dealt with Johnniewalker and it was a pleasant experience and it went smooth with no hiccups and the communication was stellar. 



Techshare - I think you are out of line making a thread like this for someone who is a metals seller just like you.  This does benefit you and by reading your OP, it looks like you wanted to deal with him but didn't trust him enough to send first.  That is no reason to post on here, tarnishing his reputation.

Sure he has made some mistakes but he is learning and didn't try and scam then cut and run.  I think you should delete your OP and lock this thread and chance the subject.  We should act like gentlemen on here and care about others reputations like you would hope we would care about yours.


Dalkore

As mentioned before, I tried several times to communicate to him very clearly that I was not interested in a trade unless he was willing to send first. I even told him to stop contacting me several times after he refused, but he continued to contact me unwilling to accept the fact that I didn't want to trade.  Additionally, johnniewalker is not a metal seller just like me. I work hard to make sure people who buy from me are treated well, and are satisfied with what they get. I also have been trading here for a year and a half with completed trades much larger than this, and a feedback record proving so to anyone that bothers to look. He is an immature kid who has been here for a month, with a handful of trades that flips out when he doesn't get what he wants. He makes Bitcoin look like a joke. I find that there aren't many gentlemen around here, and he certainly isn't one of them. I am glad your one transaction went well, but I am not the only one with complaints about johnniewalker. Additionally if you don't think this thread should be open why bump it to the top of the page?

So tech I have been guilty of this shit with you as well. ofcourse I cannot say I'm like shitty scotch over there makeing shit moves in how he presens his trades.

My 2 cents is when I dealt with you it was kinda scary. I had lost a few coin in a deal prior abd really started to follow the DTA(Don't trust anyone) rule of crypto currency investments abd trades.

I boxed up the silver. had your boxholder info attached and was ready to ship out. I then was sent an email by another fourm.member and BTC-E user who gave me an address with a name attached to it. furthermore he had offered escrow.

instead of saying anything like I should've I just vanished from the deal. Anyway long story short if this young man felt anything like I did. I'm sure the fear was there. and I'm sure it was pretty hardend fear.

your approach seems to be the same with him as it was me. straight to the point. nothing wrong with it by any means. but yes is very easy to say until the conditions are shown.

it has taken me a moment of my time to understand why you do that. I can understand not sending the coin first because hell. some people think they have a mint in silver and they really don't. also if that wher the case in an escrow trade you still pay the fee even if the trade bunks.

I apologize for my deal going nowhere months ago. and hope that maybe this attitude he's shown you is not reflective of who he is. because your right if he is truely just an ass and not truely.scared. that's a problem for this.community NOT a solution

You don't have any reason to apologize. You didn't like my terms and you moved on. Nothing wrong with that. To be perfectly honest I had forgotten about it. Thank you for acknowledging my point about trading in silver. I have this policy of asking people to send first for a reason. Even if a seller is honest, he could unknowingly be holding fake silver. There are also issues such as the post office losing it, unreported damage to the item, etc, the list can go on. I don't want to be left with that bag in my hand, and I am willing to wait until I find some one who will give me the assurance of inspection before I pay. Some of you might find that unreasonable, but its easy to be casual with other people's money.

Talking silver, you guys remind me of an older thread we had around these parts about a gigantic physical bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=103028.0) and the famous yap stones.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/02/15/131934618/the-island-of-stone-money

Thanks Dalkore. I did send that message-when I noticed Tecshare made this thread just to knock me. I'd hardly dealt with the guy, don't know why he's got a stick up his ass.

You don't see the clear pattern of you yourself refusing to let it go and me obliging you? Try it, who knows maybe people might stop posting. Or you could just keep bumping this thread to the top.

Aaaaand the battle for the last word begins. Go ahead, you can have it.

You really don't get it do you. The fact is you don't need me to tear you down, you do it yourself. Good luck figuring this place out.

I bought some silver from johnniewalker - no problem. Arrived super quick.

so 3 days is considered dead? ::)

Got bored about 30% through the messages, but the jist is that you wanted a vendor to send you a product before your paid for it? He also offered to use escrow. You are bitching because he simply refused that? What is the issue here? Sounds like you are the one wasting time.

Now hes in my selling thread.... How much clearer should I make it that i want nothing to do with you regardless of your excuses to continue to make contact with me? The solution is simple: don't contact me, don't post in my threads. Problem solved.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=58518.msg1533415#msg1533415

Wait who is the child, You or Johnnie who ever?

It's him. I wouldn't send him my coins before I received payment for them, and he wouldn't do escrow. I offered to do things on his terms in a smaller-scale transaction and he took my messages out of context and made this thread. As you can see, he is not held in very high regard on here. That's why I stopped even bothering to read this thread. I just noticed it and looked now cause its a rather old one, I wanted to see who revived it.

The best posts on this thread are from KWH. You, sir, win

Thank you sir, just trying to keep it real and inject a little humor in a few threads.

How many times did I politely tell you I was not interested before all of this? Also, once again nothing was taken out of context. The entire PM history is there. To take something out of context I would have to remove something. Since it is all there the context is intact.

This is fucking ridiculous and you both should be ashamed of your conduct. TECHSHARE, you are being a bully to the kid, regardless of your issues with the way things went down, myself and most of the others here who read what you posted think you took things a bit out of context and made a mountain out of a molehill.

That being said, JohnnieWalker, if you want to be accepted as a legit trader in valuable goods like precious metals and bitcoins, be true to your word, be polite and most importantly, don't spin a tale of your personal woes. We all have shit man, no one gives a fuck over the internet. We have all been taken advantage of too many times or seen it happen too often to believe or care. I don't think you deserved this crazy ass tantrum post, but you need to man up and be a professional if you want to be taken seriously.

^^^^^
What he said.

We don't name our customers, however johnniewalker has openly admitted to purchasing from us in the past on these forums. I'm not sure what kind of experience you have had, but he has been an excellent repeat customer with us.

I reserve the right to tell people to go fuck themselves from time to time. I care little if people like it, some people need it.