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I wouldn't be surprised if they built a social network on top of Ethereum.

I wouldn't be surprised if they built a social network on top of Ethereum.

From what I know, they intend to build a social network on top of their own technology stack utilizing SpecialK, but plan on using an implementation of Casper for their PoS blockchain to facilitate the "attention economy".

Will this social network be DECENTRALISED? Or will they be harvesting everyones data like facebook does?

If it's the latter they can take their synero and shove it.

I've heard that the Ethereum and Synereo devs are cooperating in blockchain technology development.  I'm curious as to what is the extent of this cooperation.  Greg, the lead Synereo dev, has briefly discussed this in the Synereo hangout sessions (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU5CBbxAeFYnodf32w3ahOQ).  Does anyone have any additional insight into this?

But do you think synero would be able to make a success of their project?

I remember taking a look at their website and it was butters mate. Put me right off it imediately.

How does a "social network" intend to get away with a site that ugly?
I think this thread is a thinly veiled attempt to somehow associate the synero project with the ethereum project with no evidence except the dev of the project no ones heard of told someone else that he is talking to the lead dev of the project that is currently a runaway success.

Sounds like either an attempt to muddy the waters or hype a shitty project.

So you must be younger guy Dor who I've viewed in the Hangout videos in the Synereo channel on YouTube?


And appears Greg is the greying long-haired mathematician in Seattle that I've view on the same videos.

I am doing an in depth study of your system and I am not yet ready to offer all my feedback because I am in the midst of analyzing it.

However I do want to start with a few observations.

First I want to thank you for providing those Hangout videos because I am gaining much information from listening to the feedbacks from the musicians. That has been very useful for my marketing research.

1. Greg asks what can a decentralized Synereo do that centralized SoundCloud can't do (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=uwXqQ0QHKNk#t=3544), and Dor replies that the bandwidth (he said "distribution" but I assume he means download and streaming bandwidth) costs become free because they are provided by the users. Unfortunately this is incorrect. Decentralized filesystems will not work and are theft socialism (stealing from those who have to redistribute to those who didn't pay for it) models as I explained yesterday (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1340057.msg13670558#msg13670558). For context, make sure you understand how I explained to Bittorrent in 2008 that their optimistic choking algorithm was a theft socialism model.

2. I will expend some time studying Casper's design, but I already watched some videos of Ethereum presentations about the strategy for shards and proofs against cheating in the attempt to achieve decentralized scaling with verification of long-running scripts. And I have explained why it will never work (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1339648.msg13668336#msg13668336). I have an entire thread dedicated to discussing the finer issues with block chain consensus and the CAP theorem is fundamental. Essentially you can't use propagation as a consensus rule thus proofs against cheating will fail as methodology. You simply can't solve the Tragedy of the Commons verification problem without centralization. Period. You will eventually face come to this realization that your ideas are fundamentally flawed and can't be fixed.

3. An attention model based upon users approvals is probably going to suffer from the same phenomenon I observed when I asked why my gf was rapid clicking every Like on here timeline without even reading the posts. She said because they are my friends and will Like all my posts also. But I need to study your model in detail in the white paper before I can comment further on it.

Will do after I finish watching the video.


Is that specifically covered in the white paper or a design improvement hence?

Will do after I finish watching the video.


Is that specifically covered in the white paper or a design improvement hence?

He's providing valuable constructive feedback, which we always welcome!

He rambles on aimlessly and goes from coin to coin doing it.

And now that insolent chatterbox is copying all his deleted FUD (https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/42rvm3/truth_about_ethereum_is_being_banned_at/) to Reddit in an apparent attempt to circumvent the ban he incurred here.  >:(

But do you think synero would be able to make a success of their project?

I remember taking a look at their website and it was butters mate. Put me right off it imediately.

How does a "social network" intend to get away with a site that ugly?
I think this thread is a thinly veiled attempt to somehow associate the synero project with the ethereum project with no evidence except the dev of the project no ones heard of told someone else that he is talking to the lead dev of the project that is currently a runaway success.

Sounds like either an attempt to muddy the waters or hype a shitty project.

What's wrong with the website?
http://www.synereo.com/

Hopefully he will stay banned for a while. 

I wouldn't count on it. The guy's already ran through several usernames. His first was AnonyMint.

I wouldn't count on it. The guy's already ran through several usernames. His first was AnonyMint.

Anonymint/TPTB makes a valuable contribution on many topics. He's an original thinker, and obviously very intelligent. That doesn't mean he doesn't irrate some people too, but that's irrevelevant as far as the issues he talks about is concerned. Ignore him at your peril

How is incomprehensible mumbo jumbo, accusing every coin of being broken, and insulting everyone thus valuable to the community.

He is wrong on every issue he rants about. Perhaps he is a professional short masquerading as mad scientist, but his acting is not convincing anyone that he actually knows anything. And he has only produced vaporware by his own admission.

It appears to me he deliberately tried to be permanently banned. He deliberately pushed harder after being banned by signing up sock puppets. Me thinks he wanted someone to remove his addictive trolling because he couldn't control it himself.

Anonymint/TPTB makes a valuable contribution on many topics. He's an original thinker, and obviously very intelligent. That doesn't mean he doesn't irrate some people too, but that's irrevelevant as far as the issues he talks about is concerned. Ignore him at your peril

It is common knowledge that Greg, Synereo's CSO, is leading the design of Casper, Ethereum's new proposed Proof of Stake blockchain: https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/12/28/understanding-serenity-part-2-casper/
He has spoken about the design principles of the technology underlying this effort, what would allow it to scale, in the recent Ethereum developer conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzahKc_ukfM

Synereo is NOT building their technology on Ethereum. Rather, it is Ethereum who are using Greg's decades of expertise in the field, and Synereo technology, to build their own.

Ethereum has provided Synereo with developer grants for this purpose. Hopefully, collaboration will continue in other ways as well.
We also believe that our notion of a "smart contract", which we call a social contract, is more advanced, mature and scalable than anyone else's. People in the industry are starting to get a sense of this as well, including our friends at Ethereum. http://blog.synereo.com/2015/03/06/social-contracts-pt-ii/

A comprehensive post going into detail about all of these subjects are in the works.

Feel free to ask any other question about this here or on our slack channel at slack.synereo.com (http://slack.synereo.com).

Back to the main topic:


https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/49g792/synereoethereum_partnership_leads_to_big_fucking/

It's easy to see that Synereo is going to be very successful with their decentralized, blockchain-oriented social network.

Incorrect. He has explained they are good at hand waving, but they still haven't solved the impossibility of being able to shard the gas. I explained it more in the Bitcointalk thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361602.msg14134197#msg14134197

Get another fucking clue about this shitcoin scam that presold AMPs before shipping a technobabble hyped project which has an economically and technically flawed design:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1361721.msg13868758#msg13868758
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1344997.msg13713923#msg13713923
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1344997.msg13739210#msg13739210

Refuted:

One of the Founders of Synereo developed an amazing technology. Ethereum 2.0 is going to use it.

Here's a recap:

https://youtu.be/0h4Yd61_Rio?t=1h10m55s

The last I heard, $AMP will be a token on Ethereum 2.0.

I've read most of the 50+ page Synereo white paper, expended several hours viewing some of their YouTube Hangouts, done some limited discussion with their founding developer (username here Elokane), and posted in every recent Synereo thread in Altcoin Discussion.

Synereo was launched as a vaporware ICO and the math whiz on the project is Greg Meredith who is into process calculus research and was one of key persons apparently on Microsoft's BizTalk design. Greg is into using Scala and also is collaborating on the math modeling of Ethereum's upcoming, promised Casper design (which btw several of us, excluding smooth, have criticized in the Ethereum Paradox thread for its fundamental insoluble flaws).

I have pointed out that there are numerous P2P (aka distributed) social networking projects, so the idea of Synereo being the first and able to sweep the world, is very slim, especially they have no compelling features afaics. Thus I have criticized them for preselling tokens ("AMPS") with no adoption and on hype. Their major claim as an innovative feature is an "Attention Model" which is composed of reputation ("Reo") and a counter-vailing force of being able to pay to override reputation with the AMPS tokens. In other words, they aim to make the content that the users share more relevant. I had pointed out that the Reo needs to be fine-grained on for example #hashtags, and Elokane indicated that although that is not in the white paper they are implementing something like that, yet there is no holistic public specification afaik. They are claiming to be very close to beta, but I've pointed out that doesn't mean they are any where near adoption. I have also pointed out that Facebook users don't seem to have major complaints about the relevance of shared content on feeds, thus I doubt anyone will adopt Synereo (because their friends won't be there and much less content sharing and other chicken and egg dilemmas).

Also I have pointed out that the economics of advertising is the most someone could expect to earn by being paid to share (the AMPs model) is perhaps about $1 (in developing world) to $10 (first-world) per day and probably not that much. It simply isn't worth anyone's time. People don't join social networks to be paid some palty income. They join for other more important reasons. Thus I've argued the economic model for the AMPS is fundamentally flawed.

Thus I have argued they are preselling shit which no market.

Also I don't really understand the process calculus well enough to know if it is technobabble bullshit or not, but it sure looks like it to me. It looks like ivory tower shit that has no real implications in the real world. What did BizTalk do that was relevant? I did a Google search and it seems basically no one used it? Excuse me for being skeptical but the selling of ICOs is becoming too lucrative and attractive for every Joe who has some technobabble to make n00bs drool.

Smooth is not involved in my JAMBOX project at all. I occasionally trade ideas with him about technology. My JAMBOX project will when it is crowdsourced (not for tokens just for Tshirts!) will explain that it targets compelling features and economics. I have not yet announced that, because for one thing is that at the moment I am working on potentially creating a new programming language based on top of Rust, or perhaps contributing to Rust. Because JAMBOX is based on the concept of empowering mobile apps, and so I need to be sure the language we are using is the best in severals ways one of which is JIT compilation.

I don't hate Synereo's people. I just wish they hadn't done a vaporware ICO, both for the legal reasons of selling unregistered investment securities to non-accredited USA investors apparently in violation of securities law as provided for by the Supreme Court's Howey test and simply because it is the antithesis of the objective ethics (i.e. no zero-sum games) of meritocratic software development to sell vaporware.