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I'm reading papers and (as every other day) news about a girl being stabbed and killed by a 15 year old boy in the centre for immigrant kids without parents. Then right below an article about migrants in Austria, where they we're not following the rules of the pool, breaking the inventory and were going into women dressing rooms, and of course the leftist party and socialist are critisizing them... Who's insane here? I was saying this from the start, what to do with them, we kill them and skin them. Dress the cold, feed the hungry.. Joke, It's a joke, but seriously, what's going on with Europe? What do you think, will something happen after Angela Merkel leaves and someone new, with different views replaces her?

Sigh...  ::)

Ok let's do this again. Seems like the flow of people yelling "wtf is happening in Europe?" will never stop.

1- what do you want to do? Kill/refuse every immigrants coming? (not sarcastically judging you. Real question here)
2- Don't you have the impression that the immigrants are like a very tiny little problem compared to how banks and great capital is fucking us?

we must sink their boats, shoot them at the borders, round them up and dump them back in libya and turkey, whatever it takes to get rid of them. the survival of europe is more important than the "human rights" of these invading vermin who are majority adult male syrian draft dodgers and paki freeloaders.

1. No, but the identification of migrants. Who doesn't have an ID can't turn around or go to some other country. Letting them flood the Europe like this, without knowing who's who. But the worst part is their culture, they need to be told that they need to adapt to our culture, not for us to adapt to theirs. Sure why not, if you came from the war fucked up country (some of them), you can't refuse/resist and play the racism card...  It was small when it started, now it's something bigger.

2. Seems like the flow of people yelling "omg these capitalistic pigs, they're all bloodsucking jews! Hurting mah people! " will never stop.

I can sense the smell of Crusades in the air lately, brother. Well yeah, that would be one extreme way of doing it, but the major problem is that they're like a shit flow of goatfuckers that just wont stop, and when they get to some country they planned to, they start acting like primates and as I said, they need to adapt to the western culture, soon they'll let them stone women and kill gay people, because Fuck it! human rights, right?

1- Well, good news folk, that's already what we're doing... We're already setting them all in camps, but the fact is most of them have no desire to stay in those refugees camps forever so they leave and go around. An asylum seeker has no right to go around in Europe, he must stay in the country he was welcomed in, but if he doesn't care about the law what do you want to do? Re make European borders and watch them?

2- Did I mention the Jews? I mentioned banks, you talked about Jews xD
And You say whatever you want, banks are getting money directly printed by European Central Bank at 1% interest rate then they lend it to countries at rates between 2% and 15% for some countries. I dare you to call this anything but thief! Debt interest is repayment is 45 billions in France! With that money we could have the current social care system capitalists are yelling at, improve our education, give homes to people in the street, jobs to unemployed and we'd still have enough money to integrate correctly immigration!

im not sure if youre trolling or not? but if youre not trolling this is quite too much, why not just limit theyre movement or give a specific law just for them, they may not understand it but explaining the purpose of the law will clear things up a little.

As I said it's already the case... Immigrants are limited to move on the country welcoming them. Europe or not, they don't have the right to move to another country. The law is already here. And is already applied.

I don't know why everyone think that the crisis in the Middle East, and the immigrants arriving from that part of the world are the sole responsibility of the Europeans. Till now, the United States have accepted less than 10,000 immigrants from Syria. Japan and Saudi Arabia have accepted a total of 3 immigrants each from Syria. Taiwan and South Korea have accepted none.

because the issue isn't just their lawbreaking, it is their presence in europe. none of them deserve to touch our soil. there are dozens of muslim countries they could go to instead.

Oh boy, so if someone does not care about law, he is free to do what he wants? that logic.
The answer is obviously if they break the law, deport them, fine them, imprison them.

I'm curious - what country where those immigrants  from? I mean in Austria from all places?

Did it ever cross your mind that maybe banks are the ones that caused the wars to begin with, and that the banks are fucking you all via this mass influx of immigration abusing your well intended but misguided socialist ideas as your own downfall? No of course you haven't. Like every Socialist/Marxist, you demand everyone be else be generous with their own resources and risk their own safety to satisfy your own ideals of justice. If the "refugees" are so important to you why don't you invite them into your own home instead of demanding everyone else do so? It is so much easier to just demand everyone else be generous with their collective resources isn't it? It is like being generous without all the pesky personal sacrifices of doing so.

I'm currently saying that banks are the first ennemies... So yes it crossed my mind thank you! Banks are responsible for more or less anything that is currently ruining the ideal of socialism which is, here I agree with you (which is not so common) totally corrupted by our shitty leaders.
I'm not asking everyone else to be over generous, I'm saying we don't have really the choice concerning the migrants. Cause we just can't close the borders. That's not physicaly possible considering the size of European borders in fact.

You over interpret my thoughts I believe... And Marxism has not much to do with generosity but with fairness. Rather different trust me.

Never said they should be free. Never.
You want to imprison them? Stupid, we already don't have enough place in prison, wanna add people just for wandering around? Deportation is not better, it costs a fortune and they'll just come back...

The problem is here, what other solution do you have? Cause everyone is saying we should do something, yes but what?  ;)

Someone needs to tell that to the leaders of the European nations then. True, the US has only taken in 10,000, and given the fact that these "asylum seekers" are not being properly screened prior to admittance, I would say that number is about 10,000 too many. The situation is well out of hand with the liberals trying to play the racism card against Republicans who are against allowing them in without proper screening, which is a typical move for liberals. It is just too easy, as has been shown already, for radicalized jihadists to slip into nations easily by claiming to be asylum seekers. Then they just wait until they are called into action, or else set out radicalizing others.

You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers. Trust me bankers know how to abuse socialism just as well or better than capitalism. You are asking everyone else around you to be "over generous". You are asking them to risk their personal safety, the financial resources drained by the presence of the mass influx of "refugees", and potentially the breakup of the EU Schengen treaty agreement destroying Europe as we know it. All of this so you can protect your precious infallible ideology that will some how magically just workout if we just keep trying it even though history documents the mountains of bodies left behind socialism marxism and communism. The borders can and will be closed. You are too simple minded to realize that was the entire purpose of letting the mass immigration to happen to begin with. Now all of Europe can be locked down by the military and they can start a civil war in Europe! Socialism FTW!

P.S. I don't trust you, trust me.

You're saying that I should let my idealogy go because it's what will kill me. What a nice way of living. I'd rather die proud of what I've fought for.

No we don't want guns. No we don't want liberalism. Keep it in the USA thank you very much. And we will welcome the refugees untill they're proven guilty of any crime.

You keep saying I ask people to be generous, I don't. That's what we call democracy, as long as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied. It has nothing to do with me personnally.

"You are so concerned with the protection of your precious ideals of socialism you don't realize your unrelenting blind belief in your ideology is the very thing exposing you and others around you to harm by those bankers."

Because you are not? Do you consider the USA as being protected? Cause there is only few country with less socialism than the USA... And I don't feel like banks do less damage here! In fact the only country protected from bankers is probably Iceland, and that's one hell of socialism country!

P.S. could you at least try to answer correctly? You keep avoiding the subject, if you don't want to debate don't come here...

Dude... What you're saying is what most of right-wings government are saying in Europe, but it's just not possible... How do you do that? You put 3 militaries every 200m of borders?

You don't get it. I am not telling you to give up your ideals. You always immediately fall into a pattern of extremes rather than using logic to examine the situation. You do whatever you want in your own country. You have your ideals, just remember that in the next few years when people start paying the price for your ideals.

You are what Marx called "a useful idiot", some one who is easily lead around by the most base instincts of humanity used to push political and economic agendas. You have whatever beliefs you want. I am sure in your mind you think this is something about racism, but this is just another tactic to guilt your nations people into welcoming its own destruction blindly in the name of "multiculturalism". These "refugees" that are flooding into Europe en mass don't give a fuck about you or your culture. They come from parts of the world that have been at constant war for thousands of years, and you think they will walk on European soil and magically they will become nonviolent? If the people of Europe are unwilling to defend themselves with force, Europe will just be absorbed and disintegrate. I am not telling you how to live, but I am telling you that your reasoning is seriously lacking in logic, and you and your countrymen will pay the price as a result.

You: "you should take care and defend yourself again the flood of migrants who will systematically take down your country and your culture by force"
My ideal: "We should never consider guilty someone until proven guilty, which means after he broke the law"

Your statement automatically makes the assumption that they will. You're based on the fear of being conquered. Which is against everything I believe in. Which means you're asking me to give up on my ideals.

And again you answer only to the part you want to. I'll ask again then:


You mean how you selectively chose which part of my claims you're taking care of? Or how you over interpret everything I say? Maybe you call this logic in the USA that would explain lots of things, but that's not how we call it here ^^

Oh and you also totally let on the side road other things I say but that probably don't suit you, here is a small list as you're always in such a dire need of precision and logic:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/begging-the-question
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-emotion
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

You know I can do that to, picking random links in order to avoid answering any question. It won't go very far though.

Maybe you don't debate like this in the USA, but here when two persons are engaged in a debate, we take care of everything said, which means that the arguments I presented and you just ignored are still important. It's not because you don't want to talk about it that it doesn't exist ^^

My children are the property of my wife and myself. Why? Guess who made my children. It was myself and my wife. Get you hands off my property. If you won't get your hands off my property, you will be facing me in court where you will state, one way or another, that you have no ownership of my property. Then you will owe me lots of money, according to the demands of my court, for wronging me by regulating that which is proper to me without right or authority.

:)

Dude each time you say something I think "he can't go lower" but yes you can  ;D

What? You don't like the idea of someone owning property? And you are so socialistic that you don't want anyone else to have property, either?

Well, thank you. At least we know where you stand.

:)

Sorry I'm in a country where a human being can't be considered as a property xD

That's because your government said so, because they can say it, because you and all the rest of the people over there are their property.

:)

Dude... Do you really know what the word property mean? xD

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/property?s=t:
I didn't think that the dictionary would call you property of your government, but there it is, in definitions 5 and 10.

:)

Well you don't own your child and government doesn't own me even if you don't read correctly  :P

While it is true that I don't know about your personal situation, any person who is a citizen of France is own by the French government. The fact that the French government allows a lot of freedom, doesn't change this. French freedom is by French government allowance, not by self-ownership.

The basic law in America is that if the child is under 18, and if there has been no contract made by the parents with government, the child is the property of the parents. It's called common law of the people. If you want to know how it works, and if you want to see that it does work, listen to Karl Lentz on these two audios, which show how he put it into practice, and how all other Americans can as well - http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-39904/TS-676216.mp3 and http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-39904/TS-680970.mp3.

If CPS took your kids, you can get them back, usually in short order by understanding what Karl says in these audios. You own your kids. Nobody else does until they reach what is known as the age of majority. At that age, they own themselves.

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Maybe I listen to this. But in France children own themselves! That's called "children right act" ^^

In America it is age of majority... between ages 18 and 21 depending on State laws. However, in a particular case, if there is a court trial in some way, the jury can decide differently. A jury could declare a 14-y-o to be an adult. In some cases they might be able to declare a 25-y-o still a child under his parents.

The French Government makes such things like the Children Rights Act in France. The French government is dictator in France. The American government can be overruled on almost everything by the 12-person jury that is correctly seated in court.

:)

Moglie looks like a european pussy or a muslim himself

Coming from an American I'll take that as a compliment. That just shows I have ideals a little more elevated than just the traditional shitty American dream, which is a nonsense and an illusion.

Yea let muzzies bang you from behind and drive you out of home, then your ideals will be more elevated

It's called "jury nullification," and law enforcement and the courts hate it so much that they try to prosecute people who inform juries about it in a big way. They hate it because they lose control once the jury realizes what it has the power to do.

  :)

It's cute how you imitate me like a little monkey never understanding the words you think are "random" repeating them back at me as if that proves something. Your refractory bullshit is not an argument, an argument requires a premise, which you consistently avoid by bringing up red herring diversions, straw man arguments, and by simply accusing me of the logical fallacies I accuse you of. None of these things are considered logical forms of debate regardless of your ignorance of this fact.





You still don't know how to define debate, let alone actually debate, and you accuse me of not wanting debate? I would laugh, but your redundancy is getting kind of boring. By the way do I "over interpret ... thoughts" or do I "just ignored" your points? Make up your mind. 

I have emboldened your logical fallacies and numbered them so you can learn how logic works and understand these links aren't "random".

(1) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
(2) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
(3) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white
(4) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
(5) https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity



Yes, but you are. You are making choices for other people in your country who may or may not agree with you. You are claiming there is "no choice" but in reality choice is all anyone ever has. You most certainly do have a choice. You can screen and control the influx of economic migrants. Claiming you physically can not secure your borders at all is just ignorant.



Again, you are making choices for others when your government forces everyone to risk their safety and what little fruit of their labor they have left via more taxes as a direct result of allowing an uncontrolled mass influx of migration. As a result you are asking other people to sacrifice so that you can have your illusion of collective generosity, and tell yourself you did good, when in reality you are harming all involved. Taxes fund your "generosity". Taxes are taken by force. Your "generosity" is taken by force. That is not generosity that is theft and redistribution of wealth.



Also here is the definition of democracy:

1. a system of government in which all the people of a country can vote to elect their representatives parliamentary democracy the principles of democracy

2. a country which has this system of government Western democracies I thought we were supposed to be living in a democracy.

3. fair and equal treatment of everyone in an organization, etc., and their right to take part in making decisions
https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learner/democracy




"as more than half of the population will support gun control, and the concept of being innocent until proven guilty, it will be applied."

France is a republic by the way, not a democracy. Even if you did live in a democracy, there are still issues of representative government, otherwise your so called "democracy" is nothing more than mob rule. The population is free to decide on their own to defend themselves and their country if they need to. You however are attempting to deny people that choice by claiming to speak for everyone with populist rule and imposing penalties upon people for taking steps to do so. Additionally democracies are a flawed form of government, because all it takes is one intelligent individual to fool most of the people, and the masses can be lead around to any place the oligarchical class desire.





Göring: "Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

Gilbert: "There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

Göring: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_G%C3%B6ring



Pretty soon your countrymen will be denouncing the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger, and by then it will be too late. You have a right to enforce your national borders. This is not racism. This is the protection of the human rights of your nation's population. Your nation does not owe anything to people just because they wander into your national borders. You are literally stealing from people within your country by force to accommodate people who most likely seek the destruction of your "generous" ideologies. Europe is being baited into accepting an untenable situation using appeals to emotion and collective cultural guilt. This will serve no one but the bankers you claim to oppose, yet actively serve.

yes you are definitely right .. immigrants are invading other countiries.. they are so crueal and ignorant.. they should be banned in every western country..

You can not expect from wild 'people' to accept normal way of living. That's how they live in their countries. In Somalia,Afganistan,Arabia...In their conutries woman are no valuable and are treaten like a slaves, and actually they hate them. Now they came in civilization with savage habits, and when they faces to a normal human European woman they consider normal to attack her because she don't live on the way they expect...Stop accepting them!!

He is a Muslim himself, so please press the ignore button and forget about his posts. Anyway it is irritating to see this guy doing so many consecutive posts, all of them without any fact.

Now coming back to the topic, the family of the victim has blamed the politicians and have demanded that the perpetrator of the crime must be tried as an adult (that is, if he was not an adult).

It's obvious that immigrants don't know how to deal with western woman.
They are coming from completely different culture and civilization and they never in their life lived together with women, worked with them or learned how to accept them as equals.
Because of this is not good idea to send women to work with them.
Immigrants should pass some kind of education about western cultures and values and if they can't accept it, they shouldn't stay in Europe.  

I cant believe that someone can do this to a woman,especially when she is risking her own life to help immigrant children,why? Not everyone is able to help the most vulnerable and especially in a situation where dire help is needed,in this case the matter is regarding children, young, homeless and innocent.

Moreover it's the government's responsibility to help vulnerable immigrant children/adults or any asylum seekers, but because they are so washed up in their own crimes and dirty lives, normal everyday people have to risk their own lives to help these under privileged kids and adults.

Yes, the government needs to wake up! take responsibility for the lives of these innocent people who have come to their country for help, its ethical, humane and no reason on earth can justify not to help anyone in need who is in a worse off position than yourself.

The biggest problem here is that nobody doesn't do anything to stop these 'refugees' to enter in Europe. It's confirmed that Turkey lets them go in boats and cross the sea running to the Greek islands. OTAN and US forces should be on Greek border to stop them. This things will continue to happen, that's the beginning

I thought Swedes ain't tough. I was wrong (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hundreds-of-masked-men-beat-refugee-children-in-stockholm-a6843451.html) about it.

Beating some kids when you are in a group of hundreds.


Much stronk.
So tough.

Everyday I hear more and more crazy things happening in these so called "civilized, first world countries". What is happening?! Are here any users from those countries to share their opinions about what's going on? I'd be very interested to see what they have to say.

All these countries are very stable and had no wars, group attacks and similar..Sweden for 200 years without war..And they build a society with very low violence, looking to make that every citizen is safe,happy, in nice environment..their police was never in situations like this..and now thay have an army of 'refugees' with no other intentions than to kill,rape,steal,make a chaos..One friend of mine in France she is in a little village told me that on their tv they don't see that things, so looks like media hide some stories probably not to make anti refugee environment

Ok so you're denouncing the French democracy in fact. But what do we do then? I don't want your propositions. I find them stupid, limited, incredibly expansive, and coming directly from the Stone age. How do we decide if we enforce our borders or not? You seem to say that I'm forcing my people to open the borders... Well that's the base of democracy, if the majority wants open borders then we get open borders.

You're criticizing French democracy (which I find very funny coming from an American xD). Yeah not perfect, and it's a representative democracy which could be better. But that has nothing to do with my opinion on borders. That's the system we live in, and with a direct democracy I would still have this opinion...

Oh and btw, France has 4 000 km borders. You want to close them? Very well, how do you do that? When I was claiming it's not physically possible it's because it would cost far too much to close them.

PS. and you over interpret some of my thoughts and ignore those that you don't want to talk about. I'm tired as hell of your bullshit. You really debate like an American, you remind of Trump that's funny ^^

In some countries it looks like is more important to punish you because of smoking cigarette in a common space in building or did you put other flower in pot on your balkonny which wasn't approved by president of community than invasion of uncivilized person on Europe...People weak up!! Stand!! Don't be blind