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What happened:: Exchanged $50 with him. Sent him the btc and he said he sent the skrills. I never got it and told him. He said he was getting an error when sending and would refund me in 30 minutes if it doesn't work. I still never got anything.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=388821

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1345772.msg13727126#msg13727126
Amount Scammed: $50
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: http://prntscr.com/9xg3xt
PM/Chat Logs: http://prntscr.com/9xg4r7
Additional Notes:

Please make a proper report: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=260073.0

like KWH said, use the proper format.
and it's most likely that you just got scammed. again, should've used escrow.

I can see dovetail seem to have a good trust rating so OP must have thought its ok to deal with. not sure what dovetail is experiecing now, but sure his going to get red trust if this isn't resolve today.  its more than 30 minutes since he replied to get it fixed. Funny becuase its just all because of $50.

I 100% VOUCH FOR THIS!

Someone trusted please leave the guy negative trust, he tried to scam me by denying escrow and insisting I go first.

Sorry sir, i got all the time the error (general error please get in touch )

the issue is now sloved and  ready to send the funds pls reconfirm the mail in this topic

Ok explain me please where i ask or insisting that you go first if you now claim this is fake anyone can watch my computer via teamviewer


https://i.imgur.com/dLaPCuI.png


Again sorry @op there was just some issue about skrill reconfirm your mail here and you will get the money .

This user "dovetail" threathens me with PM to leave neg trust for me without any reason.

Do NOT deal with this user - very rude and has an open scam accusation. Neg rep him please.

i only ask if your issue is clear or not :

You are a rude person and i don't need to clarify ANYTHING to you... you are nobody here with a scam accusation in his name. The matter was solved and there is no accusation against me. I have never made any deal with you, you have NO reason to start to PM me that you are gonna open threads and all your bullshit.

Go open your thread and see what you get out of it!

so post facts this is sloved

Like i said before, i don't need to post anything for you, you are nobody here.
If the user feels he/she is scammed he/she can open a thread.
No go back to scamming people, seems to me that's all your good at. Last reply i make to you (nobodies), people like you are not worth my time.

you not gave back my msnd nothing is sloved scammer

proof.

@OP can you confirm if dovetail really sent the skrill please?

This is account was recently given to WouchtSack as Collateral. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1336357.0

there's no confirmation of that. and the loan was supposed to be paid in 24 hours.
though dovetail's password was only changed twice recently.

I still haven't got anything yet.

I sent him my skrills again to confirm as he asked in the post.

will pay in 3 hours i will ve @ home no worries this was only because y skrill was new they asked me for id verification

It's been more than 3 hours, have you paid?

He hasn't paid. It's confirmed he is a scammer. He tried to scam me and many others. I'm surprised he doesn't have red trust yet, he's clearly a scammer.

do not trade with this account. i am original owner of antonlevay and this fuck got it somehow and is involved in scamming

whoever the fuck you are, you can go fuck yourself you piece of shit!

and if ppl like him are nobodies, then what the fuck are you? scamming faggot punk!

Never got anything yet. Scammer for sure

another scam attempt just caught....




He ask to make an account on alpnames, a site where you can buy domain with credit card/ paypal :)
Domain buyed in January 2016... "fast" way to conclude this trade for one of the domain...
2+2 = 4
Sorry

This is the principal wallet of the user... maybe you can find other address linked to other scam attempt...

https://blockchain.info/it/address/1A2oT6bGNCKZxTfdGHWyUG2pHqpFomXnPQ

I hope this could help some one.

I tell in the pm that I would pay him in 3 days. I send him the account details before I can post. My post would be useless since he would control my account. you can see the bitcoin address he posted didn't receive any payment.

Did I scam you? Did the user scammed on this thread send to my bitcoin address?  WouchtSack has in control of my account. The scammer is WouchtSack.

where did you even find that? can't find anywhere on bitcointalk.

@wensbo if you're telling the truth then you should have watched your own account while it was in wouchstack's possession and notify everyone as soon as he posted.

Wherever he found it, that one isn't going to help much in case of connected addresses.
(total addresses: 2,811,169) -> Have fun searching through this (https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/MtGoxAndOthers/addresses).

khallized bid on my bid domain. I offer to send first he declined. He persist that we should use escrow. We already use escrow with shorena. But find a way to break the escrow. I sold many bitcointalk accounts using dovetail account. I give that bitcoin address for the escrow.

Your stories are getting weirder by the minute. Who did "find a way to break the escrow"? Why is insisting on escrow not a good thing?

He bid to my domain. He did not want to buy the domain. But force when I contacted shorena for an escrow. But want only to add his post count.

I'm about to transfer my domain to him but he said cannot not give his registrar username to me.

For the record. I did not hide my true identity as dovetail.
After I transferred my dovetail account to wouchstack. I pm my customers that I'm dovetail.


On : January 27, 2016. I pm Aleator,  that I'm dovetail.

On : January 28, 2016.  I pm SharyMafia . That I'm dovetail.

On: January 31, 206. I pm lihuajkl  that I'm dovetail.

Any mods can check on my pms.


I started using this account to sell when my account was transferred to wouchstack.

Everyone can Analyze my posts.

I post on dovetail after January 27, 2016. After that the posts is not mine. You can see the difference.

Also analyze WouchtSack posts. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=739042;sa=showPosts

Also analyze wouchtsack feedback.

james.lent 0: -0 / +0   2016-01-30   0.00000000   Reference   Alt of Klengefazat
moneybat 0: -0 / +0   2016-01-29   0.00000000      Only use bitify escrow with this seller and release money in 30 days incase of account reversal and previous shady activities from past accounts
jaydipmodhwadia 0: -0 / +0   2016-01-29   1.00000000      Bought a msdn invite and got it. Thanks for the deal again!
Timelord2067 1: -0 / +1   2016-01-29   0.00000000   Reference   WouchtSack probable Alt of Klengefazat
zombies 0: -0 / +0   2016-01-28   0.00000000      Good guy
moneybat 0: -0 / +0   2016-01-26   0.00000000   Reference   Careful, this is MSDN scammer idyu and his accounts, and trying to build trust through posting, dont send more than a penny to this scammer

To recap:

"wensbo" claims to have handed "dovetail" account over to "WouchtSack" as a collateral about a week ago. This was not acknowledged by "wensbo" or "WouchtSack" at that time.

"wensbo" apparently defaulted on the loan and "WouchtSack" started using "dovetail" account or sold it.

"wensbo" did not publicly acknowledge being an alt of "dovetail" or the collateral deal until being called out by another user just recently.

"wensbo" claims to have PMed certain users about being an alt of "dovetail" but as far as I understand also didn't warn these users about a potential scammer using the "dovetail" account.

"wensbo" did not out "WouchtSack" as a scammer even after learning that "dovetail" account is used for scamming. As far as I can see there is still no scam accusation thread on this subject (although there is a different one against "WouchtSack").

I still find it extremely hard to believe this long string of coincidences. Looks like "wensbo" was perfectly to keep the loan and see "dovetail" scamming until the alt was exposed. "wensbo" is either a deadbeat borrower or still in possession of "dovetail" account. Any other possibilities?

The loan is for 3 days. I never thought that wouchtsack would use my account for scamming. I was very busy at the moment.

 I only know that he already use it for scamming until the day I'm about to pay him. I did not pay my loan because my account got a red rep already. I did not hide anything I post on the scam thread. that it was use as collateral.


If I ever thought that he will use it for scamming I would never it give to him in the first place.

You claimed to have given the account to "WouchtSack" on January 27th for a 3-day loan. Are you saying you learned about "dovetail" being used for scamming before January 30th? And red trust didn't appear until February 1st. Your timeline doesn't add up.

I'm about to pay him on January 31, 2016. On my timeline. I only know the account has scammed only on January 31, 2016. I did not know about your timeline. When I saw the account on January 31, 2016 it already have a red trust untrusted feedback.

What do you mean "timeline"? Time zone? It's still the same number of days in any time zone. 31 - 27 = 4.

A couple more notes on your loan:

- I can't see anything about the loan being 3 days. There is only 24 hours mentioned in that thread.
- WouchtSack asked you to put the account in escrow. Why would you not use escrow when dealing with a newbie?

All the other points still stand too. You learned about the account being used for scamming and did nothing until your alt was outed. Even under the most favorable interpretation you sold the account to a scammer.

I'm tired of arguing with you. You're either not telling the full truth or lying outright.

Sorry I mean Time zone. I'm not a natural english speaker.

In the pm he was ok for 3 days. There was no escrow at the moment. And I was very busy at the time. I'm going to school. I can't wait for any escrow since most escrow come at night here (day in USA). And woughtsack said he will label as scammer if not forward my account detail immediately because he already send the bitcoins to me.

I did not sold my account to a scammer. I did not know before hand that he was a scammer. I'm also tired of arguing with you. You can not understand my point. You are just happy neg repping anyone even innocent.

I already give you the proofs. And still you are not neg repping wouchsack and you are even depending him. Is wouchsack account your alt? 

"depending" or did you mean "defending"? I don't see suchmoon defending anyone is this situation.
I only see holes in your story and suchmoon trying to fill them, asking question where you leave unclear/vague answers.

Oh, now you're making a fool out of yourself.

Then why suchmoon did not neg rep him even though he already have many scam accusations?

I did not hide my identity as dovetail.

what proofs? it's all your words trying to defend yourself.

oh you mean this one (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1336357.0)?
that's not enough because there's no confirmation that the account ever changed hands.
others may think differently though. there are cases where users got negged until they're proven to be innocent.

Look in https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php

January 27, 2016, 02:18:08 PM - dovetail - password changed
January 27, 2016, 02:13:31 PM - dovetail - password changed

I hope mods will confirmed this.

knew that. that's what I hinted on my reply to your post on the first page. still I didn't think that was good enough.

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I guess in this case I can a neg him until he can prove his innocence. there's quite a few accusations against him anyway.

Yeah right, I gave you some coins just to mess with you. Get real ::)

I think a reasonable way out of this for you would be to give me (or any trusted member here) access to your account to confirm those PMs with WouchtSack, timing of account transfer, other details that would show you're not just making this up now. I have a feeling though you're gonna say the important PMs are in the dovetail account... am I right?

I'm willing the change the neg trust to neutral if anyone can come up with some kind of verifiable proof that isn't just words of an outed alt. The bar is set pretty low here I think.

The conversion with worthsack was on dovetail account because I still have control of the account at that time. I only use this account after worchsack changed the password the dovetail account.

The pm I have in this account is with the my customers telling them I'm dovetail.

Mods can confirm the pm's on my dovetail account.

Moderators don't have the ability to read PMs. I don't think even a Global Mod can read PMs.

And I don't think an admin is going to look into this case so you need to provide some valid proof.

Why not? I've seen bigger forums than bitcointalk and their moderators efficiently handle cases like this. I did not have any control of the account. This is the job of the mods.

man I'd hate to be a member of those forums.  ::) no forum mods should be able to read any PMs. most of the time they are just volunteers.
and no it's not their job to sort out anyone's mess because they gave their account to someone else.

Those mods are volunteers. And they solve every issue like this. And they have no salary whatsoever.

and they also spy on you.
but whatever. we're getting off-topic and I've better things to do than to argue about some dumb forum from god knows where which allows their mods to see users PM.

Stay on topic please,i can't understanding why users still scam if they need money thwy should get a job.

I got scammed myself yesterday for 1$  ::) this proof how broke or idiotic some users are.

I see the adddress of the user on blockchain (address in profile that NOW HE REMOVED!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg13712220#msg13712220
1BZB238kcFvVGi4C56BBWtqcAiEmCnRDdy

And I find the "double bump" dovetail - wensbo.
(where bot sell the same domain and where wensbo start to pump the post)

https://ws.blockchain.info/it/address/18qiZyPhaHYFJb3wRmAxG61i8yxDqBZRuk dovetail wallet

https://ws.blockchain.info/it/tx/e90b2a1d68ad44415f64df3cd5f094b0d699186a62ff6022abd7d63cc875808e January 23 2016 dovetail send money to wensbo

I own dovetail until January 27, 2016. Only January 27, 2016 I transferred it to wouchtsack as collateral.

Did you contact wouchtsack from any other account before you transfer the account as collateral for the loan?

Unfortunately I did not. I never thought he would do like that. He seems like a decent man.

If mods reading this posts. Please look at the pms of wochtsack and dovetail.

I never deny that I did not own dovetail account. I even start using this account after I send the account to wourtchsack. I even pm my customers that I'm dovetail.

Can any of your customers confirm that you PMed them with this account after taking a loan with the dovetail account?

I will try to tell them. But I cannot force them if they would not like to. The best if mods will interfere and check our pms. It would take only a few minutes.

Some trusted member can login to my account and see the pms themselves.

I have a confirmation from another user that such PM exists. Not sure if that helps here, it only confirms that wensbo for some reason did not want this information to become public. Also in the PM I've seen wensbo didn't actually explain that he/she no longer controls the dovetail account, just stated "I'm dovetail".

The whole "I'm very busy" excuse doesn't work when you have time to PM users.