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Title: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Bitware on January 07, 2013, 03:56:59 AM
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hjres15



Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: ElectricMucus on January 07, 2013, 04:14:48 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_E4nB9I9HSIw/ScB9TUnuoxI/AAAAAAAAAl0/Nk6zFToMDI0/s400/RonPaulTinFoilHat2.jpg


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Bitware on January 07, 2013, 04:34:13 AM

Its a real bill from our real representatives on a real government legislation tracking website.

I am not understanding the tinfoin alert part.

Do you not believe it actually exists ?


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: laughingbear on January 07, 2013, 04:36:58 AM
Prognosis

    0% chance of getting past committee.
    0% chance of being enacted or passed.

    Only 15% of House joint resolutions made it past committee and only 10% were enacted or passed in 2009–2010. [show factors | methodology]

Cosponsors
    none


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: ElectricMucus on January 07, 2013, 04:46:13 AM
Prognosis

    0% chance of getting past committee.
    0% chance of being enacted or passed.

    Only 15% of House joint resolutions made it past committee and only 10% were enacted or passed in 2009–2010. [show factors | methodology]

Cosponsors
    none

this.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Bitware on January 07, 2013, 05:13:14 AM
Prognosis

    0% chance of getting past committee.
    0% chance of being enacted or passed.

    Only 15% of House joint resolutions made it past committee and only 10% were enacted or passed in 2009–2010. [show factors | methodology]

Cosponsors
    none

this.

This is not paranoia nor a conspiracy theory, so it is no tinfoil hat alert. It is reality. Regardless of the low chance it will pass, we have representatives who want to end term limits. Do you understand the precident that would set if it happens?


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: myrkul on January 07, 2013, 05:17:47 AM
Prognosis

    0% chance of getting past committee.
    0% chance of being enacted or passed.

    Only 15% of House joint resolutions made it past committee and only 10% were enacted or passed in 2009–2010. [show factors | methodology]

Cosponsors
    none

this.

This is not paranoia nor a conspiracy theory, so it is no tinfoil hat alert. It is reality. Regardless of the low chance it will pass, we have representatives who want to end term limits. Do you understand the precident president that would set if it happens?
FTFY. ;)

But yes, that would set a pretty nasty precedent.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: ElectricMucus on January 07, 2013, 05:25:02 AM
There is a guy who actually called out for the execution of "global warming deniers". (I don't remember his name some prof during a speech).
But I am not really that concerned they ought come to get me anytime soon :)

Sure there are delusional idiots everywhere and some are politicians (duh!  :D)



I probably shouldn't have posted that picture since hunting for these hilarities is a sport in it's own, nice find.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: myrkul on January 07, 2013, 05:55:46 AM
Prognosis

    0% chance of getting past committee.
    0% chance of being enacted or passed.

    Only 15% of House joint resolutions made it past committee and only 10% were enacted or passed in 2009–2010. [show factors | methodology]

Cosponsors
    none

this.

This is not paranoia nor a conspiracy theory, so it is no tinfoil hat alert. It is reality. Regardless of the low chance it will pass, we have representatives who want to end term limits. Do you understand the precident that would set if it happens?

Yeah real scary stuff reverting your constitution back to where it was for ~180 years before you right wing whack jobs got it changed. Just think if you had not fucked with it you could have had Saint Reagan for three or more terms perhaps preventing that crime against humanity of Slick Willy getting blown in the oval office.

Hmm... I detect a little bitterness.

You know what, I say we just elect a president for life, and be done with it. Finish the transition to a banana republic.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Lethn on January 07, 2013, 02:22:53 PM
This is why I keep telling you lot we should all head into space, much, much more resources and well.... Infinite space there :D


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Luno on January 07, 2013, 03:13:42 PM
Padmé: "This is how liberty dies with thunderous applause."


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: justusranvier on January 07, 2013, 03:27:56 PM
Padmé: "This is how liberty dies with thunderous applause."
The situation more closely resembles the USSR in the mid 1980s than the 1920s.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: nobbynobbynoob on January 07, 2013, 03:46:51 PM
The situation more closely resembles the USSR in the mid 1980s than the 1920s.

This.

I can't see even the now-totalitarian US régime or the NWO becoming as bad as Stalin, simply because it's really, really hard to be as evil as Stalin (or Hitler or Mao or whomever). But that in itself isn't much of a consolation?


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Luno on January 07, 2013, 03:51:50 PM
Padmé: "This is how liberty dies with thunderous applause."
The situation more closely resembles the USSR in the mid 1980s than the 1920s.

So you think this leads to a kind of poly-dictatorship? Putin pulled this stunt last year when he took office for the third term.

Russia tries to look like a democracy, but that i clearly not how things work over there.

A law like that is useful if you want to suspend election because of turmoil or for another reason. You don't get kicked out of office because of a technicality that ends your term even if no elections are held.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: creativex on January 07, 2013, 03:58:57 PM
The POTUS already declares war without Congressional approval, executes people(including US citizens) at will, detains anyone in the world indefinitely without charges, and changes/creates laws to suit his purpose. The Constitutional Republic that was America is long gone, freeing the executive branch of these remaining pesky restrictions is merely a formality.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: justusranvier on January 07, 2013, 04:03:42 PM
What I mean is that the current paradigm is reaching its apex, like it did in the USSR in the 1980s.

There are too many unfunded obligations to pay, and when the cash runs out the regime will vote themselves out of existence and leave everyone who isn't part of the inner circle holding the bag. Pensioners, retirees, federal employees, creditors will get nothing.

The system that ends up replacing this one will be less totalitarian, because totalitarianism will no longer be profitable for the rulers.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Luno on January 07, 2013, 04:20:06 PM
What I mean is that the current paradigm is reaching its apex, like it did in the USSR in the 1980s.

There are too many unfunded obligations to pay, and when the cash runs out the regime will vote themselves out of existence and leave everyone who isn't part of the inner circle holding the bag. Pensioners, retirees, federal employees, creditors will get nothing.

The system that ends up replacing this one will be less totalitarian, because totalitarianism will no longer be profitable for the rulers.

Beautiful outlook. I share that perspective myself on good days, that the bulk of the minds of the citizens always will out smart any government given enough time.

Usually I fear that unemployment, bankruptcy and hunger won't lead to a healthy transition to a more sensible world.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: myrkul on January 07, 2013, 04:22:39 PM
What I mean is that the current paradigm is reaching its apex, like it did in the USSR in the 1980s.

There are too many unfunded obligations to pay, and when the cash runs out the regime will vote themselves out of existence and leave everyone who isn't part of the inner circle holding the bag. Pensioners, retirees, federal employees, creditors will get nothing.

The system that ends up replacing this one will be less totalitarian, because totalitarianism will no longer be profitable for the rulers.

Beautiful outlook. I share that perspective myself on good days, that the bulk of the minds of the citizens always will out smart any government given enough time.

Usually I fear that unemployment, bankruptcy and hunger won't lead to a healthy transition to a more sensible world.

I don't think he mentioned how rough the transition would be. Unless there is a much larger Agorist underground than I am aware of, outside of some small areas, it's going to be very rough indeed.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Lethn on January 07, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
I'm more reminded of the SPQR and how they devolved entirely and Rome ended up being ruled by a man named Julius Caesar, you guys had a general in your army named Petraeus! LOL! How can I not think of Rome after that? The Roman empire also believed in spreading their ideology through invasion, violence and threats as well except they thought that they were spreading civilization rather than democracy.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Bitware on January 07, 2013, 04:28:17 PM
Prognosis

    0% chance of getting past committee.
    0% chance of being enacted or passed.

    Only 15% of House joint resolutions made it past committee and only 10% were enacted or passed in 2009–2010. [show factors | methodology]

Cosponsors
    none

this.

This is not paranoia nor a conspiracy theory, so it is no tinfoil hat alert. It is reality. Regardless of the low chance it will pass, we have representatives who want to end term limits. Do you understand the precident that would set if it happens?

Yeah real scary stuff reverting your constitution back to where it was for ~180 years before you right wing whack jobs got it changed. Just think if you had not fucked with it you could have had Saint Reagan for three or more terms perhaps preventing that crime against humanity of Slick Willy getting blown in the oval office.

Since George Washington there was an unwritten gentlemans rule/agreement that no President would serve more than two terms, until it was codified in law by the ratification of the 22nd amendment in 1951.

Term limits were a huge part of the discussion of the day back from colonial and all the way to modern times in America. Term limitations have been mainstays for thouands of years... even way back in the Roman and Greeks hierarchy.

I have no political affiliation or partisanship, but I am closest to a Libertarian, so your aggressive political paradigm rhetoric is meaningless.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: dancupid on January 07, 2013, 04:45:52 PM
Is the problem here that you disagree with someone else's political opinion?
You'd rather they didn't have that opinion?
You'd like the system to prevent them having that opinion?

I don't see the problem here. It's just someone pursuing their idea, which you disagree with.
You want to stop them pursuing this idea?



Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Luno on January 07, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
I'm more reminded of the SPQR and how they devolved entirely and Rome ended up being ruled by a man named Julius Caesar, you guys had a general in your army named Petraeus! LOL! How can I not think of Rome after that? The Roman empire also believed in spreading their ideology through invasion, violence and threats as well except they thought that they were spreading civilization rather than democracy.

The Roman empire just fell apart in the end. Soldiers defected, occupied countries evaded taxes, resources depleted and an administration to big to manage for the Senate.

How is this similar with the world today? lets see, it took the Roman Empire 75 years to disintegrate, will it happen faster this time?


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Lethn on January 07, 2013, 04:53:34 PM
With the invention of printed money it hopefully will Luno, the Romans had to make do with gold and silver which can't be mass produced into coins easily so the rulers of Rome couldn't piss it away in such a short time.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: myrkul on January 07, 2013, 04:58:10 PM
How is this similar with the world today? lets see, it took the Roman Empire 75 years to disintegrate, will it happen faster this time?

Weimarr republic disintegrated pretty fast. Of course, they had to use actual printed money... I'm not sure if digital "spreadsheet money" will delay the inevitable, or hasten it.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Luno on January 07, 2013, 05:03:44 PM
With the invention of printed money it hopefully will Luno, the Romans had to make do with gold and silver which can't be mass produced into coins easily so the rulers of Rome couldn't piss it away in such a short time.

The Romans must have known the dangers of inflation as they outlawed interest on loans! On the other hand they didn't need paper money to manage Slavery. If you were in debt you paied with years of your life - same thing.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Dalkore on January 07, 2013, 05:54:27 PM
How is this similar with the world today? lets see, it took the Roman Empire 75 years to disintegrate, will it happen faster this time?

Weimarr republic disintegrated pretty fast. Of course, they had to use actual printed money... I'm not sure if digital "spreadsheet money" will delay the inevitable, or hasten it.

With "digital money" as you put it, is obscured a bit because of the accounting tricks we pull using our Treasury and Central Bank.  Currently the Central Bank is purchasing over 80% of all treasury auctions.  That is quite a figure. 

What will happen is either food and fuel prices will go to levels that push a majority of people into poverty or people will just lose confidence in our system and really pull back and start pulling their money from the banks.  It is the ordinary person losing confidence in our system which will likely cause it to collapse.   When that will be, is anyone's guess.  You will just have to see how absurd we will get with out fiscal polices and entitlement programs.


Title: Re: Bill Introduced By Marxists To End Term Limits For The Presidency Of The USA
Post by: Bitware on January 08, 2013, 03:09:15 AM
How is this similar with the world today? lets see, it took the Roman Empire 75 years to disintegrate, will it happen faster this time?

Weimarr republic disintegrated pretty fast. Of course, they had to use actual printed money... I'm not sure if digital "spreadsheet money" will delay the inevitable, or hasten it.

Great example. Another is Zimbabwe, which is still reeling.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/zi.html

Is the problem here that you disagree with someone else's political opinion?
Partly.


You'd rather they didn't have that opinion?
Correct.


You'd like the system to prevent them having that opinion?
Never. Our system was built on liberty, free speech, and diverse opinions.


I don't see the problem here. It's just someone pursuing their idea, which you disagree with.
The problem is a protection against tyranny would be removed.


You want to stop them pursuing this idea?
Correct, but I have no right to stop them from pursuing this idea unless we can prove it's part of a conspiracy to subvert/overthrow the government (or some major treasonous activity). I believe enough evidence exists to open a congressional investigation like they did back in '54 with the Reece Committee on Foundations. Plus all the Joe McCarthy era stuff, which I believe they were right. Our robber barons, international bankers, the money trust, magnates, and industrialists absolutely adored communism (democracy, socialism, etc). They loved the pure control and efficiency. They created endowments and foundations to advance the melding of communism in the USA and throughout the world. They started all the major world orgs. Today we call it a global community (globalism). All founded on the collective hive mentality, but with absolute unquestioned power and control by a few. Take a look at who is truly runnign the world today. I do not mean governments. I mean who control them. Who lobbies them and gets legislation passed... and those that fund them.

Even if all that were not true, I would still vehemently oppose such a destruction of an important protection. We need more protections, not fewer.