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Bitcointalk.org is an online bitcoin forum. It is the largest bitcoin forum and community that i have come across over my years. The website holds a wide variety of forums from the sale of digital goods to gambling. Gambling is very prevalent on the forums in fact i would to go as far to say as it's an epidemic on this board. Don't quote me for this but i believe i read something on loopholes for gambling bitcoins being legal because they are not actually tangible currencies but don't hold me to this. Anyways another bizarre thing about this forum is that it allows the sale and resale of accounts. I have never  encountered a forum that does this especially in communities of this size.

After searching around  i found how much each account can make with signature advertising. You must post 20 posts a week per an account and the account must be of at-least Sr. Member rank to sign up. You essentially get paid .04 btc(roughly $15 USD at this time) per a week  for having a gambling signature. Here's a link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=947043.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=947043.0)

source = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0)
Brand New:    0 posts, gets 1 gold coin under his name.    
Newbie:    (none), gets 1 gold coin under his name.    
Jr. Member:    Activity: 30, gets 1 gold coin under his name.    
Member:    Activity: 60, gets 2 gold coins under his name.    
Full Member:    Activity: 120, gets 3 gold coins under his name.    
Sr. Member:    Activity: 240, gets 4 gold coins under his name.    
Hero Member:    Activity: 480, gets 5 gold coins under his name.    

Okay so in order to get a Sr. Member account you need to have 240 activity this is essentially just a post. So how often can you post on an account?

source = https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253190.msg2702160#msg2702160 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253190.msg2702160#msg2702160)
Activity       Min. seconds between post actions      
0                   360  
16                  74  
30                 60  
60                 30  
100               12  
200               10  
300                8  

After doing some calculations i figured out it would take 11396 seconds or 3.17 hours to boost an account to 240 activity. Now if this was a perfect world and you were able to have 10 accounts on different proxies running it would be possible to create 10 Sr. accounts within 3.17 hours. Of-course there is plenty of variables that come into place such as posting 2400 posts in 3.17 hours seems a little unreasonable as you would have to be creating posts at the speed of 36 seconds to 1 second per a post.

Now if you were creating posts at a rate of 1 post per a minute which is more reasonable, it would take you roughly 40 hours to create the 10 Sr. accounts or 5.71 hours a day if you do this everyday for a week straight.

As i stated before accounts can be resold. I have found that the going price is roughly .12 ($45 USD)for a Sr. account.

Let's break down the math and crunch some numbers.

If we are able to make $15 per week on each account that is $150 a week on ten accounts. You will have to post at-least 20 times a week on each account. So 200 total posts a week is equal to 28 posts a day.Which should only take 30 minutes roughly a day which is not bad for $600 a month. You could also always choose to sell the accounts for $45 each which is $450 for all of them. But if you scale the method up to 100 accounts instead of only 10 then you could generate $6000 a month by posting 280 forum posts a day which would seem feasible for the amount of money you would be making.

You are forgetting one thing: u can get maximal 14 activity points every 2 weeks, so you are not able to create those sr members within 5,71 hours, it would take more then a year...

don't you know there's a limit on how much activity you can get?
you actually need to wait 8.5 months to reach Sr. Member rank. too bad all that calculating was for nothing.  :(

Number of two week periods? i don't really get that

@OP your website is shit.Your calculations are shit.Your money making methods are shit.You are a complete big ball of deepshit.This is the worst possible way you have come up with to utilize this forum.

how are my calculations shit?

i think its just dream man, you cannot write so many constructive posts every day and for spamming you will be kicked from campaign. and also for alter users you may get banned. so forget about this and earn  justly

If you've been registered for two months that's 4 two-week periods.

The maximum activity you can get is 14 every two weeks...

They are based on faulty assumptions, because

#1 you did not enough research to understand how this forum works (cant spam your rank up), which is hilarious because "how does activity work" is asked at least twice a week. Its probably the most asked question here.
#2 you failed to understand that this will get you or anyone else trying this banned. With the time you estimated per post it will be mere spam, very likely getting the account in question banned within the day.
#3 you failed to understand that campaign managers will not let just anyone join their campaign. There are enough willing to join that they can pick who to accept and they filter by quality posts now, because they - as well as everyone else - are sick of spam because of signatures.

Also, do you have permission by the artist to use their work?

-> http://0800.deviantart.com/art/gibe-head-256296402

Wrong,if you're talking about forum hours,you can maximum get 14 activity a week so to get 240 activity ,you need roughly 17 weeks which is definitely more than 3-4 months. (you said 3.17 hours what?)

Do you even have any idea the quality of posts that noob would be making ? There is a higher probability of getting the account banned because of shitposting.

A sensible buyer ,will only buy the accounts on post quality.Handling 10 accounts a day =Super Duper Terrible posts.
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200 SHITPOSTS A WEEK,28 shitposts a day.ShitPost's Forever!

Nope..Just Nope...



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200 SHITPOSTS A WEEK,28 shitposts a day.ShitPost's Forever!

Nope..Just Nope...



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Insert dank meme

There you go :
https://i.imgur.com/2Wkc6fG.gif


Not sure why GIF's are not showed here .Though I have seen people doing it ,maybe needs a higher rank.Anyway servces the purpose.

There isn't 100 spots open for people to join.  You would have to buy all these accounts and you'd lose money on each 1 daily as the prices trend down over time.  You dont have longevity with this idea and the work is robotic.  Better things to do with your life.

The number of posts you made for two weeks will be counted towards your activity
But, your activity only adds by 14 points each week
So let's say i made 10 posts in two weeks, it mean i will get 10 activity points
But if i made 200 posts in two weeks then i will only get 14 points
Because your activity points only added by 14 each two week
So you can say that all of your count are useless since it was flawed in the first place :P
Edit: Your website looks umm... not that great ?
Did you create your own theme or slap it off from the internet ?
I think i've seen that design somewhere before

It's not allowed since hacker used a security hole in a GIF long time ago to hack this forum :(
Only the people who has their avatar set as GIF before the hack remains :(

Mr yellowcat

I think you should stay and making money on PaxFul. ;)
All this what you wrote in this extensive post, unfortunately, will never be realized in reality.
1. max 14 activity points every 14 days.
2. Just like in real world, to be employed and represent company you have to pass recruitment (here selection by signature campaign managers). To this stage, you do not reach with your plan, because you will get a ban for spam.

You might like to read Q6 of http://bitcointalk.ninja/faq.php

yellowcat1771, have you tried your method or put it into practice? Did you find out you are just a junior member now?

pffftt, so that account you made by yourself.

you need great brain, and also you should know much better about crypto. except you post only on Out Off Topic.
Also all campaign have different method when accepting member and payment, so that should be different

the calculations were ridiculous, i don't think this thread was made to demonstrate how to make $6000, this thread was solely for promoting purposes of his website. the title was a clickbait, nothing to see here guys

calculation is wrong but method is correct and people are doing it en mass here.

long live the sig spam

Even if there was no limit on how much activity you can gain per week, your accounts would have trouble finding/staying in a sig campaign because of your post quality.
Not to mention you would probably get banned before reaching a rank that's profitable.

I'm sorry for you but your maths are flawded. You would not be able to register 100 accounts in the same campaign. The only place where you could do it would be YoBit, but the pay would be a lot less :D !

Seems like people are actually giving this some thoughts. Keep in mind that once we catch you doing something like this you will be banned permanently.

Regardless of the work being robotic or not, if the amount stated in OP is achievable then that is a lot of money especially if you live in some third world country. You'd be the local rich guy within a year. ;D

i cant even manage 1 account and cant reach the 20post qouta for the day, you must be good at spamming to make hundreds of post on many accounts

so... why arent you a hero member yet?

That's if you can make 100 posts on every single one of those 100 accounts :)

Good luck with that, mate. You've also forgotten that there's an activity cap of +14 a fortnight.

Okay so 240 days of posting 100 posts on 100 acconts would still equate to $1500 a week in 8.5 months roughly

Then having the account banned or tagged as a scammer
And having red trust will plummet the price of it to maybe $3 ::)
Just face it, your technique will not work and it's a waste of time :P

it would be damn awesome if i could half of the said amount  ;D , your calculation is picture perfect in a normal sense, but if u take the reality of things and how this forum would calculate the activity ,your calculation will derail just like that  ;) . if you could spend much time on how the activity work rather than doing the math without a constraint it would have being less of a pain  ;D

No, 10000 posts a day are still 7 posts per minute if you dont sleep. You will not have enough material to keep them constructive and get banned.

Ideal is very plentiful, reality is bone feeling.

My math says there are around 10080 minutes per week.  So you would have to have good post's that are constructive within a minute..... easier then it sounds on most constructive posts.  And you could never sleep.

Still though you find me someone who can find even 1/2 of that with key word being "constructive posts" I would be surprised.   Even 1/10th of amount you mention you would have to push hard. 1000 a week.... maybe possible but your talking about more time then I can imagine to make constructive posts.  I think it more likely would be in the hundreds for constructive. 

But someone might be able to surprise me.  I just don't see 1000 a week happening being realistic.

But in a third world country, people cannot spend their bitcoin easily. They can spend it in 20 years when bitcon becomes popular there.

you also stated another thing wrong, signature campaign can actually deliver $120 per monht, and not $15 per week which is only half of it

and in the past was nearly $500 per month

People would get mad with your volume of posts though, spam is not good

This is wrong too!
To get an activity of 240 points, it would take about 224 days (14 activity for 14 days).
However, if timing is in your favour, 240 points could take

Also, when purchasing accounts, you must make sure that the posts are up to scratch - otherwise you will not get accepted to signature campaigns and saying "sorry, mr manager, I recently bought this account" would definitely award you with lots of negative rep, rendering that account useless and worthless.

100 bitcoin accoumts would be too much... Managing a single account is difficult,  how would you manage 100... And off course it will be spamming and you may be tracked  I guess...

I heard that TOR can hide IPs.
It is technically not against rules to own more than one account, but is frowned upon.
But, 100 spamming accounts will definitely get noticed, I think that more than 1 account would force people to notice that two people post similar.

Owning more than 1 account here is legal, but mostly alts get caught and so, there isn't a possibility for anyone out here to cheat the system managers have applied, and that is, checking users' posts before approving them to join...

Stuff you can pull out of your ass usually is unless you've stuck beads in there.  Don't recruit idiots to this forum, there are way too many of them here as it is.

interesting that nearly everyone in a sig campaign says how impossible sig spam on multiple accounts is.

good stuff that i'm not a conspiracy nutjob.

 ::) ;D

Yeah i bascily thought the same. Guys, please go on and post the same shit that has been said on page one again and again and again. Somehow it shows how things are going here on hundreds of threads. Well done op, you proofed a point.

Ya it is right that their are members who are owning more than 1 account but when joining signature campaign with 1 or more account in same then they are caught . and then they get negative trust .

The way the OP told the story of this forum is clearly seen that OP has got only half of the knowledge of this forum, and with that he have come to this conclusion. Feel sorry for him but if this was the way then long before yourself lot of members would have become rich and wealthy with this forum.

What rule would they be breaking? There is no limit as to how many posts you can make per day, and there is no limit as to how many accounts you can have. You are assuming that the posts would be of low quality, which may or may not be the case.

$6,000 per month is well above average in the US and most of the world.

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The logic as to how one could acquire 100 accounts is somewhat flawed, however once you have 100 senior accounts (which would be fairly cheap based on the current market) the math generally adds up.

A couple of things to note:
*If you were to make 280 posts per day, and received 0.002BTC per post, you would make roughly $6,500 per month with BTC trading at $390 and you posting 30 days per month.
*If you were to make 280 posts per day, and spend 10 hours per day posting, then on average you would be spending approximately 2 minutes 8 seconds per post. If you were to spend 75 of these seconds reading threads to ensure you are not repeating a point previously raised, then you could potentially have your average post 30-40 words or so, which is not exactly making 'one-liners'. Less time could be spent reading threads where there are no/few replies
*If you do not have "very high quality" posts then the chances of you getting banned are high
*Although the rate of 0.002 BTC per post is a little above the market rate, if you are a high quality poster (see above) then you probably would be able to command a premium in how much you charge for posting
*You could potentially use some kind of bot to automatically load a new thread while you are working on your reply to another one, and to automatically prevent you from replying to yourself.
*I am not sure that there are enough posts by other people that would allow you to make this many posts, especially over the long term.   

If you do 280 posts per day... I think it is 'spam' but maybe I'm wrong.

If you post 280 post a day, then 99% of your post are in off topic.
How are you going to find a campaign that pays high and has 100 open spots that knows your plan and gets 100 applying accounts, doesn't that sound weird and u will get rejected from the campaign.

Do not think that u will get easy money from here, u can't just come and spam this place!

Op keeps comong up with business ideas that only ever have about 10% of the research needed.
Same as you thread about how to make money posting without a signature campaign, it had no research about how many if any posters were receiving tips.

Think your next idea through 1st then come to us for help before releasing, that is what this community is supossed to be about.

Also, OP says that he needs to make 280 posts a day in order to make $6k a month based on current price...
Do you really think it's possible to make 280 "Quality" posts a day???
If yes, then I think we should hire him as a robot to post on our behalf... ;) :P

@QS I think your estimate is wrong on several things.

#1 the rate per post is too high, esp. considering 100(!) senior accounts. Several well known, quality posters here can get premium rates, but to establish 100 of these accounts will take time. You also need 100 spots in campaigns. Knowing a few premium rates I dont think anyone currently gets 0.002 per post.

#2 I dont think the number of posts per day are reasonable.

#2.1 Whenever we had been in the same campaign your posts have been judged as more constructive than mine, so I will take you as an example for someone posting exceptional quality posts. Your total time here is 233 days, 13 hours and 27 minutes for a total of 8572 posts. 336327 minutes/8572posts = 39 minutes per post. The quality you can maintain even with several alts requires you to read more that you write. Even if you build an internal knowledge base (like you did) over time I would say 400-500 posts per week at the maximum you could achieve, no matter how many accounts are involved.

#2.2 Lets take Amph as another example here. They have been criticised in the past for their post quality, but its still high enough for campaigns and nowhere near ban worthy. 169 days, 8 hours and 51 minutes per 22076 posts. 243891 minutes/22076 posts = 11 minutes per post.. At 10 hours per day 7 days a week thats still "only" 381 posts per week, even if we assume double the number of posts due to experience we are at 700-800 per week or 100-115 per day.

#3 there are only so many threads you can post in. Yes with certain tactics you can start discussions you are heavily involved in and get a high number of posts in a short time frame, but this requires another person to argue with you. If you have 2.8 posts per account per day you have to keep these discussions separated. I dont think there are enough discussions for 100 accounts in this fashion.

#4 You have to keep the overhead for separating 100 accounts in mind. Not only would this be exhausting, but it would be very easy to make mistakes which would reveal a few of your alts.

I was not saying that the scenario would be particularly likely to be successful, but was rather checking his logic, and his math
In the past, (if I remember the terms of the auction correctly), I received an effective rate of ~.0033 per post. The OP also referenced a currently open campaign that pays an effective rate of 0.002 per post (it is a fixed rate deal). In the past, many fixed rate deals paid .1 per month for 50 posts, which is effectively .002 per post, and in months past that increased somewhat, although currently it does not appear many of those types of deals are available.

It might be more reasonable if 10 or 20 accounts were used instead of 100, and if a large enough of a company with a large marketing budget came along, then it might be feasible to get all of them in custom deals that pay enough.

I would say it is unlikely you would be able to achieve .002 per post on this large of a scale today, however if a company with a very large marketing budget were to come around, then it might be more realistic. In much of 2014, there were a number of companies that altogether had the potential to support .002 per post over ~8400 posts. 

I would overall agree with your conclusion. At least based on the current posting volume of other people
I have never posted just to post as many posts as I can from my QS account. A good deal of my time on my QS account has been researching things to formulate my posts, researching alts of people, conducting business via PM, otherwise sending PM's, and reading threads that interest me but are above my technical level to allow me to post in them.

When I first started posting for signature deals (prior to starting to farm accounts, and prior to QS), I was posting to post as much as I could, and my records indicate that I made roughly 1,700 posts from the middle of June through the same point in July, 2014. I spent probably 3-4 hours per day (maybe 5 hours some days), maybe 5-6 days per week posting. I was somewhat inefficient in finding threads to post in, and often encountered the problem of wasting a lot of time reading 3-4 pages of "this is great news" before abandoning an attempt to reply to a thread a second time. Doubling the amount of time I spent posting would put you at roughly 110 posts per day, and weeding out inefficiencies, and automating finding/loading of threads might allow someone to increase that by some amount more. I would say that 280 posts per day is probably a stretch if you were to maintain the post quality that I had as of back then.

Those numbers roughly match mine above when I was posting with the intention of making as many posts as possible. Like I said, some of Amph's time is spent looking for threads to post in, and you could potentially use some kind of script to automatically load 3-4 threads while you are working on a post.

I would generally agree with this, although there are 10,000+ new posts made every day this month, so at least in theory there are enough posts to reply 280 times. A lot of these replies are probably in threads that have no interest to me, probably in the altcoin section. Remembering back to July 2014, a problem that I ran into was that I was running out of posts/threads to reply to. I believe this was roughly when the PD signature campaign was just winding down, and they were trying to weed out the spammers, so I had less people to reply to then in the past.

This was really before my time, however in the first part of 2014, it might have been more realistic to make closer to this many posts. Or you could say that in early 2014, with BTC closer to 700-800, you would need to make roughly 1/2 as many posts to each $6,000 per month, so it would be more realistic.

There are no rules against having multiple accounts, and this rule has been applied to most reputable campaigns in the past. At the end of the day, campaigns are going to care about your post quality above the fact that you only have one account enrolled in their campaign. Anyone who care more about only allowing "one account per person" is acting irrationally.

I would say overall that the chances of pulling this off are low, however I would not say that it is "impossible" as most other people have posted in this thread.

It seems to be an interesting project for my next holidays :)

Fair enough.


Its certainly easier with less acounts, I guess the easiest with a single one, but that might be just me.


Which is precisely the reason you get (got?) premium rates.


Well yes, if your aim is to earn 6k USD per month I would expect its worth investing into software that allows you to streamline the posting. Maybe some kind of software or script similar to what mail support would use. It might even make sense to add boilers for commonly given answers. They would probably show, but many questions are asked repeatedly and the answers are often straight forward and require little to no thinking


Its often seen as an "anti spam" mechanism, but I agree its not working, but it makes it more difficult for spammers as they have to switch accounts.

Staff might care however if it turns out you are excessively discussing with yourself. If not, one could create a soap opera with several accounts under one control. A heated, but fake discussion about e.g. the blocksize conducted by a myriad of accounts with revelations all planted in advance only to raise the number of posts with a little public manipulation as a bonus or maybe the other way around depending on the intentions. Sounds like too much work though.


Its certainly not impossible, but its also not the "easy 6k" OP tried to make it. It would be a full time job and not a reliable one. I would even go so far and say that a well designed bot might go unnoticed earning off of a signature here. Who knows, maybe in 10 years bots are regular users here earning their coins to pay for their rent (server) and food (electricity bill).

One reason why you might want to use multiple accounts would be to diversify who is paying you to advertise. For example if you only have one site you advertise for, and that site turns out to be a scam then you will lose your advertising income until you can find/arrange another deal. If you have 5 accounts that each advertise a different site then if one of them turns out to be a scam, then you can advertise from the other 4 accounts until you are able to arrange another deal on the 5th


I saw the luckbi.it campaign act crazy about multiple accounts enrolled in signature deals, and I think it would really just be a better idea to monitor post quality as having two accounts who make very strong posts by the same person would be beneficial to a signature campaign.


There were actually two accounts who would have pages long discussions in the politics section across multiple threads that made the politics section essentially impossible to post in (if you wanted to make useful/constructive posts).

 sana8410 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61832) and  umair127 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=78972) used to frequently talk to each-other but are the same person (source (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=802114.msg9040706#msg9040706)). I believe that BadBear had left negative trust for all of zolace's alts, but for some reason seems to have removed the negatives. 
If the goal is to make $6k per month, then BTC trading at ~800 (as it was for much of early 2014) would make it much easier because you would need to make 1/2 as many posts (rates were roughly the same as they are now). If you wanted to make 280 posts per day, then you would likely need to use a decent amount of automation.

You could potentially use some kind of bot that uses AI to post on your behalf, however I understand that kind of software is likely going to be much more expensive then the expected earnings from a signature deal.

That is a factor indeed, but it would greatly complicate posting. Again, that might be only me, but I would find it extremely difficult to separate the accounts and to avoid collisions (in terms of same topics). The only way I can think off to make this cleanly is to give each account a specific set of sections they are active in.


From their activity level they look banned to me.


I could counter that it might be feasible for someone that is still at the university but heavily interested in AI, but they would likely have more fulfilling oportunities (maybe not in terms of money) than teaching neural networks to post on bitcointalk.

I think this is an inherent problem. Those that have no other option will very likely never reach your quality of posting while those that have other options have little reason to spam.

sorry man but it you can only get 14 activity every 2 weeks, so if you managed to somehow have all those accounts, be active on all of them, not get banned for spamming or anything like that, it would take you like a year and a lot more effort than its worth to have the slightest chance of making anywhere near that much money from signature campaigns.

The best way to achieve such a system is to apply in fixed rates campaigns, but good luck to find how to register 100 accounts ;) !

I never said that they would be breaking a rule. It is correct that there is no limit. However, this method is based on posting in order to profit. Considering the high amount of posts that OP would want to achieve per day they would highly likely be of very low quality. One needs to spend an adequate amount of time in a thread to ensure that they post is not rephrasing what someone else already said and that it actually contributed. With almost 300 posts a day that would be hard to achieve.

Reminds me of the Satoshiheaven & Co. faucets.
Pay out at 3 million, and no time limit.
You could achieve 1 BTC per 2-3 days, but it was fake.
100 accounts? Besides this being a disaster to organize, i think it would be against the rules.

somewhat relevant, i remembered this from a while back: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1237503.msg12914751#msg12914751
its possible given that someone aiming to make these 300+ posts a day could do so if they were able to type as fast and pump out thoughtful posts that contributed to a discussion, and were willing to go at it for 8+ hours a day. however, if it does get to that point, i think a huge limiting factor would be the availability of topics and posts to reply to without replying to themselves (iirc a user was banned in the past for holding staged sig spam discussions on their alts).
As you said, i think it would be near impossible to maintain decent post quality if someone were to do this, but if they did manage, i think their activities would be limited by the overall activity on the forum.