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This is huge.  Black holes are not just theoretical concept now.

Of course black holes are theoretical. Just because we know that something created gravity waves that we can feel, doesn't mean that it was black holes as explained by theory. Even if it was something we could call black holes, it doesn't mean that we have the theory right. The whole thing about black holes is just talk, because we don't really know that anything that we know about them is accurate.

If for some unknown reason Mars simply vanished, we would feel the gravity waves from that as well. Detecting gravity waves is an itty bitty start. We still don't have any idea of what gravity or gravity waves really are.

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If it has been detected now, how does it pull objects?

They can 'hear' the gravitational waves going through Earth (us included).  I think you don't realize the gravity (pun intended) of this discovery.

The problem with black holes was we could not detect them because they are black, they don't emit any light.  Einstein theory predicted that black holes emit gravitational waves.  This discovery validates both Einstein theory and validates existence of black holes.  Unless they just heard some other object (other than black hole) that emitted this radiation) we can assume it is a black hole they heard.

It is like having night vision.  Now astrophysicists and astronomers will have new detection method, new 'glasses' when they look at the universe.

I expect a slew of new discoveries (new objects) to follow.  Just like with the invention of the telescope we had new ways of looking at the sky.

This is huge.  Most people don't realize what just happened.

Gravitational waves are nothing more than the movements of the FSM's massive pasta tentacles.

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God is just a theoretical concept, black holes are real...

There is more than enough evidence to know for certain that black holes exist... there is the dilation of light around them... the fast movement of stars that get near them... some of them even have huge jets of matter and energy spewing out both sides!

The only theoretical aspect of a black hole is what might be inside of it... sure, that's uncertain for the moment... but to say black holes are theoretical is a complete misunderstanding of astronomy (and scientific terminology in general)

Hell, even the Mayans knew about the black hole in the center of our galaxy! (the alignment of Dec 2012 was the alignment with the black hole)

Black holes are real from the standpoint that there is something there, whatever it might be. Black hole theory might be anywhere from completely incorrect to almost completely correct. The fact that black hole theory is theory, shows that the amount of correctness to our ideas of what black holes are is uncertain.

God is not a theoretical concept. Some aspects of God might be theoretical. Some attributes of God might be theoretical. God Himself/Itself is a scientifically proven fact.



To say it another way, some things that we call black holes exist. What they are, nobody really knows. Our explanation of what so-called black holes really are is theory. Being theory shows that we don't know for sure what black holes really are. If we knew for sure what black holes really were, we would have black hole law rather than black hole theory.

We are at square 1 with black holes, just like most cosmologically theoretical stuff. We know for a fact that something exists. We don't know much about whatever it is. The fact that it exists is law. The theory exists in our guestimations about what it is and how it works.

This is very similar for God. We know scientifically that God exists. Anybody who is interested might have theories about aspects of God. Religions that talk about God have something like theory about His attributes. They are, of course, a different kind of theory than science theory.

A wonderful point about all this is, like as there is scientific proof for the existence of both God and black holes, there is theory for both God and black holes. The factualness regarding the existence of both God and black holes, makes their existence law. The theories about both make both to be religion. So it is that modern science is a great portion religion.

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I think you are confusing theory with hypothesis.

Now wether black hole theory qualifies as theory and is referred to as theory by the scientific community, I honestly don't know. But in science, by the time something is called theory, it has extensive peer reviewed support and broad consensus. Like evolution and relativity.

When we don't really know but have an idea, it is called a hypothesis. When possible, we test a hypothesis with experiments and refine it until it becomes a theory.

Your usage of the words "proof" and "fact" are not in accordance with Consensus Reality (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_reality)...


The problem is... you don't have the first clue what you are talking about...

Black Hole theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory) cannot become a law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science)... it's not possible... theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory) is literally the best it gets for black holes... theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory) is the epitome of science

A law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science) is a completely different concept, and usually requires a mathematical proof (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof) (the only "proof (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof)" science accepts as objective fact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact#Fact_in_science))

You could have a law pertaining to the gravitational force produced by a black hole... or a law relating to the properties of the event horizon... but you cannot possibly turn the entirety of black hole theory into a single law... that just isn't possible... you do not understand what you are talking about

Please learn the terminology of science before spewing more bullshit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullshit#Assertions_of_fact)

BADecker,

I think your dopamine levels are kinda low.  You do not make much sense.

I think only people in your church know that "scientifically God exists".   Science cannot even observe God, never mind study him or prove that he exist.  Your constant reference to science and God is ridiculous. 

Science is opposite of religion.  Everything in science is questioned by each and every scientist.

And all the peer support suggests that it (a theory) makes sense. It doesn't prove it as fact. It only suggests that it makes sense to go ahead and attempt to prove it as fact. It isn't fact yet. When it gets proven as fact, then it becomes scientific law.

We have a long way to go to prove much of anything about black holes, other than the fact that something is out there, and that we have called this something "black holes."

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I want to thank you for confirming that science has proven God exists. How are you confirming it? You are confirming it by focusing on me rather than focusing on the three scientific laws:
1. cause and effect;
2. complex universe;
3. universal entropy.

The fact that you can't explain them away, shows that you agree with them. If you didn't agree with them, you would explain them away.

So, thanks again. Makes my job easier.

 :D

To be fair, its mostly just protestant Christians who reject science... Don't quote me on this, but I think most Buddhists, Hindus and even Catholics accept science.

Some religious people even support science, like Father George Coyne, former director of the Vatican Observatory (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRnA4S8xrlY). In this clip he says,
The Vatican has always been mixed... sometimes they pay scientists for their work, other times they make the scientist drink hemlock...

Everything in religion is question by religious people, among whom are many scientists. The fact that there are so many flavors of religion shows this.

This is why focusing on gravity waves is more or less useless. If we want to focus on vibrations, there are many earthquakes that produce a lot more vibration. They are close enough to home that we can find out a lot more about them than we ever can find about black holes.

In addition, since religion is part of the above posts, there are the vibrations that the religious choirs make when the sing praises to God.

Gravity waves are useless. We may not ever find any more of them.

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Some discoveries today will be disapproved in future i'm sure!
Today we are sure in existence of dark matter and antimatter..
Same was with Edison and Tesla..And today we all consuming alternating current..

What a discovery!
And endless questions.
We all know space is empty, a vaccuum, filled only with electro magnetic waves, the whole spectrum.
What makes gravitational waves move?
Water waves are caused by the inertia of mass. The impluse continues to build up the waves and they seem to move.
But i never heard that space and time must have the same type of inertia.
What does determine their "normal" condition?
Is it possible the whole quantum effect is caused by such gravitational waves, too small to be measured yet?

Much like photons, there is likely some form of wave-particle duality

A wave cannot propagate through a vacuum... a wave requires interaction of one form or another, a passing of energy

A photon is likely made up of smaller particles (like an atom), which would help explain the wave-like properties of a photon (and graviton)

ELI5:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/gravitational-waves-explained

Yeah, this is freakin' fantastic.  Gravity waves!!  This is the best science news I've read since CERN thought they'd broken the speed of light limit.  Not to be, but this makes me oddly happy.

All the univercities are controlled by Jews and freemasons. They replaced the aetheric physics with the Einstein bullshit physics. Can you imagine how much technology is hidden out there? Technology that looks like magic.

Is it just me or the OP's link doesn't work? I was really curious.

Now i wonder if my theory is true? YES ITS MY THEORY.well Thoughts ;D Who do i think i am
Albert Einstein :D MY THEORY :D :D

We have the big bang theory?
 I always wondered if a black hole sucked all the matter into the black hole
and when the black hole become to full with matter it would explode and rip open in some other part of the universe making new galaxies.
So in theory we did come from a big bang but could it be 100s of big bangs all going off at the same time and that is why we have multi universes. Same time different space?

And then I also wondered if these black holes that have collapsed they become worm holes to travel to
different parts of the universe ?

Very exciting for new young scientist whole new avenue  ;D travel to the stars and beyond  ;)

I always wondered if our universe was really just the event horizon of a 4-D black hole...

The event horizon of a 3-D black hole is a 2-D plane... so it follows that a 4-D black hole would have a 3-D event horizon

"The big bang" could just be a 4-D star being swallowed by the 4-d black hole... the matter would be torn into it's most fundamental components as it crosses the event horizon into our universe

look up white holes.
these are the theorectical counter part of black holes and could be the start of a big bang

Wow so its like it repeats the cycle.. spits it out and draws it back? wow that is good thought?
I like that one

New one to me i going to have a look at that thanks

Basically...

In that scenario, matter would be sucked into the 4-D black hole... but, the inside of the black hole is the 3-D universe we live in

Perhaps there are 2-D creatures living inside our 3-D black holes?

I looked up white holes never found anything.
So i looked up Chinese holes and found shu ling sting ring :D
I am only joking i will have a good study on white holes just hope its not to smelly :D
right i will stop now :D no more jokes ;D

May be a black hole turns into a white hole when it becomes too full with mass?
just a thought

i think it is very wise to look up the basics first, here is a good start that also goes very datailed into the matter - take your time and have fun:

http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/astr5770_14/grbook.pdf

Thanks i will need time to read all that ;D
But am i right in thinking black holes suck all matter into the black hole?
And a white hole is opposite to a black hole spits all matter out?
See just a thought because we don't really know what goes on with black holes all speculation?
But anyway i will read a good bit and i will get more of an idea what goes on
nice to know knowledge.So thanks for the link :)

yes a black and white hole is pretty much what you say.

and since einstein we know that time is also one dimension of our reality - the space time.

so like the other 3 dimensions we know there should be the possibility to "move" in this dimension.

one of the solution behind the white hole is then quite simple:

take your black hole and revert the time axis.

Yeah, for some reason it doesn't work for me either if I click on it. But if you copy the link and then paste it in the URL bar of your browser it works fine. )

There is also a shorter version of the news here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw-i_VKd6Wo

This is huge! Flat Earth comfirmed!  8)

blackholes are definitely real and they are at the center of our galaxy.. someday in the future, they will absorb the whole galaxy and i wish i woulnt see those days..

Well, except for Al Gorian Science.  But in general I agree, everything must be questioned.  On and on.  We'll never get fusion reactors otherwise...

Badecker has this thing about religion and science.

It's not true, but it's truey.  It's not science, but it's sciency.  It's not religion, but it's...

You know, there are crooks and frauds in science as well as in any other group.  But their work will always be corrected by many others who have no skin in the game.
You can massage data, use selective samples but sooner or later new data will emerge that will invalidate and expose your fraud.

Politics of obtaining funding is a problem.  Corporate interests influence research way too much, but in an aggregate it is not as bad as people think.

That BADecker character is completely confused about his religion and science.  He keeps repeating his bronze age myth thinking it will somehow become the universal truth. When cornered about his scientific claims he puts a slight metaphysical spin on it, runs and licks his wounds. He reminds me of Deepak Chopra and his nonsense.