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Of course black holes are theoretical. Just because we know that something created gravity waves that we can feel, doesn't mean that it was black holes as explained by theory. Even if it was something we could call black holes, it doesn't mean that we have the theory right. The whole thing about black holes is just talk, because we don't really know that anything that we know about them is accurate. If for some unknown reason Mars simply vanished, we would feel the gravity waves from that as well. Detecting gravity waves is an itty bitty start. We still don't have any idea of what gravity or gravity waves really are.  |
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If it has been detected now, how does it pull objects?
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Of course black holes are theoretical. Just because we know that something created gravity waves that we can feel, doesn't mean that it was black holes as explained by theory. Even if it was something we could call black holes, it doesn't mean that we have the theory right. The whole thing about black holes is just talk, because we don't really know that anything that we know about them is accurate. If for some unknown reason Mars simply vanished, we would feel the gravity waves from that as well. Detecting gravity waves is an itty bitty start. We still don't have any idea of what gravity or gravity waves really are. They can 'hear' the gravitational waves going through Earth (us included). I think you don't realize the gravity (pun intended) of this discovery. The problem with black holes was we could not detect them because they are black, they don't emit any light. Einstein theory predicted that black holes emit gravitational waves. This discovery validates both Einstein theory and validates existence of black holes. Unless they just heard some other object (other than black hole) that emitted this radiation) we can assume it is a black hole they heard. It is like having night vision. Now astrophysicists and astronomers will have new detection method, new 'glasses' when they look at the universe. I expect a slew of new discoveries (new objects) to follow. Just like with the invention of the telescope we had new ways of looking at the sky. This is huge. Most people don't realize what just happened. |
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February 11, 2016, 10:43:22 PM |
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Gravitational waves are nothing more than the movements of the FSM's massive pasta tentacles.  |
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February 12, 2016, 01:18:24 AM |
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Of course black holes are theoretical. Just because we know that something created gravity waves that we can feel, doesn't mean that it was black holes as explained by theory. Even if it was something we could call black holes, it doesn't mean that we have the theory right. The whole thing about black holes is just talk, because we don't really know that anything that we know about them is accurate. If for some unknown reason Mars simply vanished, we would feel the gravity waves from that as well. Detecting gravity waves is an itty bitty start. We still don't have any idea of what gravity or gravity waves really are. God is just a theoretical concept, black holes are real... There is more than enough evidence to know for certain that black holes exist... there is the dilation of light around them... the fast movement of stars that get near them... some of them even have huge jets of matter and energy spewing out both sides! The only theoretical aspect of a black hole is what might be inside of it... sure, that's uncertain for the moment... but to say black holes are theoretical is a complete misunderstanding of astronomy (and scientific terminology in general) Hell, even the Mayans knew about the black hole in the center of our galaxy! (the alignment of Dec 2012 was the alignment with the black hole) |
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February 12, 2016, 05:41:16 AM |
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Of course black holes are theoretical. Just because we know that something created gravity waves that we can feel, doesn't mean that it was black holes as explained by theory. Even if it was something we could call black holes, it doesn't mean that we have the theory right. The whole thing about black holes is just talk, because we don't really know that anything that we know about them is accurate. If for some unknown reason Mars simply vanished, we would feel the gravity waves from that as well. Detecting gravity waves is an itty bitty start. We still don't have any idea of what gravity or gravity waves really are. God is just a theoretical concept, black holes are real... Black holes are real from the standpoint that there is something there, whatever it might be. Black hole theory might be anywhere from completely incorrect to almost completely correct. The fact that black hole theory is theory, shows that the amount of correctness to our ideas of what black holes are is uncertain. God is not a theoretical concept. Some aspects of God might be theoretical. Some attributes of God might be theoretical. God Himself/Itself is a scientifically proven fact.
There is more than enough evidence to know for certain that black holes exist... there is the dilation of light around them... the fast movement of stars that get near them... some of them even have huge jets of matter and energy spewing out both sides!
The only theoretical aspect of a black hole is what might be inside of it... sure, that's uncertain for the moment... but to say black holes are theoretical is a complete misunderstanding of astronomy (and scientific terminology in general)
Hell, even the Mayans knew about the black hole in the center of our galaxy! (the alignment of Dec 2012 was the alignment with the black hole)
To say it another way, some things that we call black holes exist. What they are, nobody really knows. Our explanation of what so-called black holes really are is theory. Being theory shows that we don't know for sure what black holes really are. If we knew for sure what black holes really were, we would have black hole law rather than black hole theory. We are at square 1 with black holes, just like most cosmologically theoretical stuff. We know for a fact that something exists. We don't know much about whatever it is. The fact that it exists is law. The theory exists in our guestimations about what it is and how it works. This is very similar for God. We know scientifically that God exists. Anybody who is interested might have theories about aspects of God. Religions that talk about God have something like theory about His attributes. They are, of course, a different kind of theory than science theory. A wonderful point about all this is, like as there is scientific proof for the existence of both God and black holes, there is theory for both God and black holes. The factualness regarding the existence of both God and black holes, makes their existence law. The theories about both make both to be religion. So it is that modern science is a great portion religion. |
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Our explanation of what so-called black holes really are is theory. Being theory shows that we don't know for sure what black holes really are.
I think you are confusing theory with hypothesis. Now wether black hole theory qualifies as theory and is referred to as theory by the scientific community, I honestly don't know. But in science, by the time something is called theory, it has extensive peer reviewed support and broad consensus. Like evolution and relativity. When we don't really know but have an idea, it is called a hypothesis. When possible, we test a hypothesis with experiments and refine it until it becomes a theory. |
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February 12, 2016, 05:55:46 AM |
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We know scientifically that God exists.
...there is scientific proof for the existence of both God and black holes... The factualness[sp] makes both God and black holes law
God is not a theoretical concept... God Himself/Itself is a scientifically proven fact
Your usage of the words "proof" and "fact" are not in accordance with Consensus Reality... If we knew for sure what black holes really were, we would have black hole law rather than black hole theory.
The problem is... you don't have the first clue what you are talking about... Black Hole theory cannot become a law... it's not possible... theory is literally the best it gets for black holes... theory is the epitome of science A law is a completely different concept, and usually requires a mathematical proof (the only " proof" science accepts as objective fact) You could have a law pertaining to the gravitational force produced by a black hole... or a law relating to the properties of the event horizon... but you cannot possibly turn the entirety of black hole theory into a single law... that just isn't possible... you do not understand what you are talking aboutPlease learn the terminology of science before spewing more bullshit |
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February 12, 2016, 06:25:15 AM |
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Of course black holes are theoretical. Just because we know that something created gravity waves that we can feel, doesn't mean that it was black holes as explained by theory. Even if it was something we could call black holes, it doesn't mean that we have the theory right. The whole thing about black holes is just talk, because we don't really know that anything that we know about them is accurate. If for some unknown reason Mars simply vanished, we would feel the gravity waves from that as well. Detecting gravity waves is an itty bitty start. We still don't have any idea of what gravity or gravity waves really are. God is just a theoretical concept, black holes are real... Black holes are real from the standpoint that there is something there, whatever it might be. Black hole theory might be anywhere from completely incorrect to almost completely correct. The fact that black hole theory is theory, shows that the amount of correctness to our ideas of what black holes are is uncertain. God is not a theoretical concept. Some aspects of God might be theoretical. Some attributes of God might be theoretical. God Himself/Itself is a scientifically proven fact.
There is more than enough evidence to know for certain that black holes exist... there is the dilation of light around them... the fast movement of stars that get near them... some of them even have huge jets of matter and energy spewing out both sides!
The only theoretical aspect of a black hole is what might be inside of it... sure, that's uncertain for the moment... but to say black holes are theoretical is a complete misunderstanding of astronomy (and scientific terminology in general)
Hell, even the Mayans knew about the black hole in the center of our galaxy! (the alignment of Dec 2012 was the alignment with the black hole)
To say it another way, some things that we call black holes exist. What they are, nobody really knows. Our explanation of what so-called black holes really are is theory. Being theory shows that we don't know for sure what black holes really are. If we knew for sure what black holes really were, we would have black hole law rather than black hole theory. We are at square 1 with black holes, just like most cosmologically theoretical stuff. We know for a fact that something exists. We don't know much about whatever it is. The fact that it exists is law. The theory exists in our guestimations about what it is and how it works. This is very similar for God. We know scientifically that God exists. Anybody who is interested might have theories about aspects of God. Religions that talk about God have something like theory about His attributes. They are, of course, a different kind of theory than science theory. A wonderful point about all this is, like as there is scientific proof for the existence of both God and black holes, there is theory for both God and black holes. The factualness regarding the existence of both God and black holes, makes their existence law. The theories about both make both to be religion. So it is that modern science is a great portion religion.BADecker, I think your dopamine levels are kinda low. You do not make much sense. I think only people in your church know that "scientifically God exists". Science cannot even observe God, never mind study him or prove that he exist. Your constant reference to science and God is ridiculous. Science is opposite of religion. Everything in science is questioned by each and every scientist. |
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February 12, 2016, 06:39:00 AM |
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Our explanation of what so-called black holes really are is theory. Being theory shows that we don't know for sure what black holes really are.
I think you are confusing theory with hypothesis. Now weather black hole theory qualifies as theory and is referred to as theory by the scientific community, I honestly don't know. But in science, by the time something is called theory, it has extensive peer reviewed support and broad consensus. Like evolution and relativity. When we don't really know but have an idea, it is called a hypothesis. When possible, we test a hypothesis with experiments and refine it until it becomes a theory. And all the peer support suggests that it (a theory) makes sense. It doesn't prove it as fact. It only suggests that it makes sense to go ahead and attempt to prove it as fact. It isn't fact yet. When it gets proven as fact, then it becomes scientific law. We have a long way to go to prove much of anything about black holes, other than the fact that something is out there, and that we have called this something "black holes." |
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February 12, 2016, 06:42:26 AM |
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Of course black holes are theoretical. Just because we know that something created gravity waves that we can feel, doesn't mean that it was black holes as explained by theory. Even if it was something we could call black holes, it doesn't mean that we have the theory right. The whole thing about black holes is just talk, because we don't really know that anything that we know about them is accurate. If for some unknown reason Mars simply vanished, we would feel the gravity waves from that as well. Detecting gravity waves is an itty bitty start. We still don't have any idea of what gravity or gravity waves really are. God is just a theoretical concept, black holes are real... Black holes are real from the standpoint that there is something there, whatever it might be. Black hole theory might be anywhere from completely incorrect to almost completely correct. The fact that black hole theory is theory, shows that the amount of correctness to our ideas of what black holes are is uncertain. God is not a theoretical concept. Some aspects of God might be theoretical. Some attributes of God might be theoretical. God Himself/Itself is a scientifically proven fact.
There is more than enough evidence to know for certain that black holes exist... there is the dilation of light around them... the fast movement of stars that get near them... some of them even have huge jets of matter and energy spewing out both sides!
The only theoretical aspect of a black hole is what might be inside of it... sure, that's uncertain for the moment... but to say black holes are theoretical is a complete misunderstanding of astronomy (and scientific terminology in general)
Hell, even the Mayans knew about the black hole in the center of our galaxy! (the alignment of Dec 2012 was the alignment with the black hole)
To say it another way, some things that we call black holes exist. What they are, nobody really knows. Our explanation of what so-called black holes really are is theory. Being theory shows that we don't know for sure what black holes really are. If we knew for sure what black holes really were, we would have black hole law rather than black hole theory. We are at square 1 with black holes, just like most cosmologically theoretical stuff. We know for a fact that something exists. We don't know much about whatever it is. The fact that it exists is law. The theory exists in our guestimations about what it is and how it works. This is very similar for God. We know scientifically that God exists. Anybody who is interested might have theories about aspects of God. Religions that talk about God have something like theory about His attributes. They are, of course, a different kind of theory than science theory. A wonderful point about all this is, like as there is scientific proof for the existence of both God and black holes, there is theory for both God and black holes. The factualness regarding the existence of both God and black holes, makes their existence law. The theories about both make both to be religion. So it is that modern science is a great portion religion.BADecker, I think your dopamine levels are kinda low. You do not make much sense. I think only people in your church know that "scientifically God exists". Science cannot even observe God, never mind study him or prove that he exist. Your constant reference to science and God is ridiculous. Science is opposite of religion. Everything in science is questioned by each and every scientist. I want to thank you for confirming that science has proven God exists. How are you confirming it? You are confirming it by focusing on me rather than focusing on the three scientific laws: 1. cause and effect; 2. complex universe; 3. universal entropy. The fact that you can't explain them away, shows that you agree with them. If you didn't agree with them, you would explain them away. So, thanks again. Makes my job easier.  |
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February 12, 2016, 06:53:09 AM |
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Science is opposite of religion. Everything in science is questioned by each and every scientist.
To be fair, its mostly just protestant Christians who reject science... Don't quote me on this, but I think most Buddhists, Hindus and even Catholics accept science. Some religious people even support science, like Father George Coyne, former director of the Vatican Observatory. In this clip he says, [pope] John Paul II said, 'evolution in the neoDarwinian sense is no longer a mere hypothesis.' He said that. It's in writing. The Vatican has always been mixed... sometimes they pay scientists for their work, other times they make the scientist drink hemlock... |
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February 12, 2016, 07:01:13 AM |
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Science is opposite of religion. Everything in science is questioned by each and every scientist.
To be fair, its mostly just protestant Christians who reject science... Don't quote me on this, but I think most Buddhists, Hindus and even Catholics accept science. Some religious people even support science, like Father George Coyne, former director of the Vatican Observatory. In this clip he says, [pope] John Paul II said, 'evolution in the neoDarwinian sense is no longer a mere hypothesis.' He said that. It's in writing. The Vatican has always been mixed... sometimes they pay scientists for their work, other times they make the scientist drink hemlock... Everything in religion is question by religious people, among whom are many scientists. The fact that there are so many flavors of religion shows this. This is why focusing on gravity waves is more or less useless. If we want to focus on vibrations, there are many earthquakes that produce a lot more vibration. They are close enough to home that we can find out a lot more about them than we ever can find about black holes. In addition, since religion is part of the above posts, there are the vibrations that the religious choirs make when the sing praises to God. Gravity waves are useless. We may not ever find any more of them. |
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February 12, 2016, 10:06:11 AM |
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Some discoveries today will be disapproved in future i'm sure!
Today we are sure in existence of dark matter and antimatter..
Same was with Edison and Tesla..And today we all consuming alternating current..
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February 12, 2016, 11:00:46 PM |
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What a discovery!
And endless questions.
We all know space is empty, a vaccuum, filled only with electro magnetic waves, the whole spectrum.
What makes gravitational waves move?
Water waves are caused by the inertia of mass. The impluse continues to build up the waves and they seem to move.
But i never heard that space and time must have the same type of inertia.
What does determine their "normal" condition?
Is it possible the whole quantum effect is caused by such gravitational waves, too small to be measured yet?
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February 12, 2016, 11:11:23 PM |
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What a discovery!
And endless questions.
We all know space is empty, a vaccuum, filled only with electro magnetic waves, the whole spectrum.
What makes gravitational waves move?
Water waves are caused by the inertia of mass. The impluse continues to build up the waves and they seem to move.
But i never heard that space and time must have the same type of inertia.
What does determine their "normal" condition?
Is it possible the whole quantum effect is caused by such gravitational waves, too small to be measured yet?
Much like photons, there is likely some form of wave-particle duality A wave cannot propagate through a vacuum... a wave requires interaction of one form or another, a passing of energy A photon is likely made up of smaller particles (like an atom), which would help explain the wave-like properties of a photon (and graviton) |
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February 12, 2016, 11:14:56 PM |
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What a discovery!
And endless questions.
We all know space is empty, a vaccuum, filled only with electro magnetic waves, the whole spectrum.
What makes gravitational waves move?
Water waves are caused by the inertia of mass. The impluse continues to build up the waves and they seem to move.
But i never heard that space and time must have the same type of inertia.
What does determine their "normal" condition?
Is it possible the whole quantum effect is caused by such gravitational waves, too small to be measured yet?
ELI5: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/gravitational-waves-explained |
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February 13, 2016, 12:11:11 AM |
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Yeah, this is freakin' fantastic. Gravity waves!! This is the best science news I've read since CERN thought they'd broken the speed of light limit. Not to be, but this makes me oddly happy.
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February 13, 2016, 05:45:14 PM |
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All the univercities are controlled by Jews and freemasons. They replaced the aetheric physics with the Einstein bullshit physics. Can you imagine how much technology is hidden out there? Technology that looks like magic.
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