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Ok, I was really surprised reading that Iam banned from bitcointalk for 14 days for:


Account: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18640

Iam not aware of a restriction I broke. I surely don't spam, in fact Iam taken as a prime example of quality posts in every sig campaign i was taking part till now. And now I read that I was banned for 14 days.

That obviously is a big problem for me as escrow since Iam only allowed to post on meta with an alt now. I have running escrow trades and not being allowed to send private messages for 14 days will turn this into quite a mess.

Why did this happen shortly after I protected the buyer in an account deal where the seller tried to hide the fact that this account was banned in a number of signature campaigns. Is there a connection?

I really don't know how I should solve this. I don't want to let the escrow users hang and surely I don't want scam accusation threads without me being able to respond. I still would want to serve as escrow and hopefully this will not take out the next trusted escrow, alot gave up in the last weeks already.

Really that was a surprise. Not being allowed to post relevant posts only because I take part in a signature campaign is new to me and I was not aware of a rule that says moderators will block someone for posting too many on topic and constructive posts. If I would have spammed, ok, but really, that definitely is not the case.

I would like to know who banned me, why exactly and on what rule and how he came to the conclusion that I deserve a ban.

But most important, is there a solution without turning the escrow trades I currently run into a mess?

Man... that really hit me by surprise. :(

Man bad coincidence, but I was thinking that you'd sure get temp-banned at the very least if you continued(today). Didn't come as a surprise though, as I did warn you not to make several posts in a row while wearing a signature, quite long ago.

Also, replying to posts from 2 pages ago doesn't help , just sayin

Edit: If it helps, convey messages to my email: mesmer@mail.com and I'll be able to post them for you.

Sorry to hear. I had a similar destiny some weeks ago.
It seems that people who write 20-30 posts a day are put into the  box of extremely posters even if the quality is at least fair. I know your post quality is much better. I for myself, did not know that I violated a board rule. It seems the rules have been changed recently or existing rules are applied much stronger now.

Man I should be a inituiton god or something, with all the obvious necro posts you replied to and are still replying, the ban is/was no surprise. Start reading the threads, especially the dates when they were posted on  ::) and you may be spared another ban

I don't have time to go through all the threads new answers every day so it happens that I take the time to go through after 2 days only. Of course I want to answer to those posts that are new to me. I don't see why it should not be allowed. I mean you practically say that you have to have online daily to answer posts. Who on this forum is here all day except sig spammers, scam busters and so on? The vast majority is posting way more seldom. Are away for days. So why should there be a rule to not answer to posts that are new to you?

Besides, I do max 4 posts in a row when I want to answer many posts in a tread. Do you say there is a rule that would demand that I have to have to wait one post from another user after I make another answer? Sounds like a mess actually. And putting all answers in one post surely is not helpfull too since when I hide answers to other persons in a thread that has an answer to another person on top then mostly these answers will be not seen. Besides... i had complaints for writing too long posts too already. Guess there is not way to do it right then.

Anyway this sounds like unwritten rules and if rules are hidden it is impossible to not go against them. I did not read about such rule coming into existence.

Thanks for your offer to post what I want to say though that could not help in the escrow trades since traders might want to be A) anonymous to other forum members and B) might need to send me a bitcoin address to release the coins to. Both are confidential data often enough and the "don't send pm's" can't be solved with that.

If this was meant to me then too then I think the only post that was dead already was me requesting badbear about why he thinks bans should not be seen. I mean even now I think, what should users do Iam in an escrow trade with? They would not see that Iam banned and could assume I try to scam.

Besides that today I went through my profiles notifications since I sometimes lose threads answers where I did not get an email notification or made another error. It doesn't mean that these threads are not worth anymore to answer to. I wonder why you think old threads need to die.

Regarding prevision... ah no, you wrote you are accused of being an alt of Quickseller, you are online all the time too, being a scambuster and all and today I wrote about why I did not trust all of his negative ratings. Forbid me the thought that your prevision was led by knowledge maybe. I only thought of the possibility, no accusation.

Though it might be important to know if this might be an automated ban of some kind. Can this be? Are there banbots on the forum?

Probably not the best idea to have a paid signature when you're trying to conduct business on the forums as a reputable individual.  My BTC0.00000002.

I'm pretty sure I don't have ADHD but thats a big wall of text there. And no I was addressing the guy above me, as I quoted him

Also, even though I'm pretty sure it was your(@Seb now) LQ necro posts in English that lead to this ban, seems you are much more regularly posting in German section. Sho might help catergorizing, if those too were LQ post or not.

P.S: I'm pretty sure I saw QS in your post even though it was I "tl;dr"ed the post. Now what is that about in a thread about your ban?

Even more so if you're fond of randomly replying to people who posted something ages ago, but can't put it all in a single post

SebastianJu, you were temporarily banned because you kept making multiple posts in a row, which that could have been posted in one. You have been warned about this before and having a paid signature doesn't help.

Example 1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1306301.msg13885766#msg13885766
Four consecutive posts that could have been posted in one.

Example 2
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359877.msg13886091#msg13886091
Another 3 consecutive posts.

Example 3
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359877.msg13887359#msg13887359
Another 3 consecutive posts.

Example 4
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359877.msg13890264#msg13890264
Another 2.

Example 5
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359877.msg13890417#msg13890417
Another 2.

These are just five examples from yesterday and today. I'm pretty sure I could have found more, but I'm not going to bother.

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This was not an automated ban, but I've written (and I'm running) a bot that checks posts made by newbies.

I remember telling him the same , sometime after Nov. apparently he didn't get the message.

Anyway, the temp-ban... work of grue I suppose?

I remember telling you the same, when you wrote me "double posting isn't that bad, SebastianJu does it all the time".

Its not that bad when you 1) Don't do it regularly 2) Don't have a paid signature while doing so and 3rd, haven't been privately warned by a moderator
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Riiight, you get carried away when you don't have a campaign manager's hot breath down your neck I guess  ;D

There's still always the edit button, as long, as you're not doing all your posts in the Auction section.

Soooooorry, but our conversation was initiated by his postings, so it's like 1% on topic :)
mexxer, let's continue in PM.

^ That's kinda off-topic you two. This is about SebastianJu. ;D

I remember someone telling me that and till then I already made way less posts in a row. Though that wasn't you or another staff member, right? I explained that user that every answer to other persons that are hidden in one post, that looks like it is directed to another user, will most probably been read over. Especially when you break the answer to the first person into quotes to answer single points of hit post. Surely I would have taken it more seriously realising that the warning was coming from staff. Did I not see the staff mark only? Anyway, I'm sorry about not following when staff told me about it.

One could ask what's better in posting one huge post than 3 posts in a row, taking the same space nearly but are in a clear order and easy to read. You use paragraphs too to format a text and surely no one writes a letter to three people and puts all the text into one letter, hoping that the other two read it too somehow. Everyone would read the start and thinks it is directed to another use.

Anyway, if those are the rules I was not aware that it are actual rules.

So can we maybe speak about a solution for the escrow problem? If you think posting was the problem then maybe make me stop posting for a time, even though I got the point anyway already, but private messages were not part of the problem but probably will become a problem in the near future. Can you maybe allow me to send private messages at least to handle the escrow part? I really don't want to be put wrongly in the same pot as recent negative escrow cases.

You can always use [ hr ] to seperate two sections of your post. It's a clear cut and you can show where one logical section begins and ends.

That's vague. We're not talking about PMs here. We're talking about public posts, that every user can see, those quoted, those directly related and those that have nothing to do with it.
Also, the problem lies in you getting paid for your signature, and accumulating a lot of posts in that way (often 4 or 5 after each other) that would be 1 post otherways.
Also, your signature is shown 5 times, when you do individual posts, instead of 1 time, when you would answer everything in one post.

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Sorry for that.

I don't think it is against the forum rules make multiple posts in a row, few months ago I've opened a thread regarding that fact ... it's all about the sig. ad (nothing else).

I know that with big posts it often looks cleaner to use multiple posts, but as you are wearing a paid signature, it makes the whole case more complicated. I usually use [hr] and [hr][hr] if I want to separate two messages and that seems to work fine.

I don't have the authority to say anything about this, so you'll have to wait for someone else to answer this. Sorry.

Yep, oh the freedom us non-camapigners have...  ;D

@Sebastian, just for public reference, can you sign a message that your account was banned so that I can quote it and paste it on your escrow thread, so that no one mistakes you for another escrow scammer?

Also a good idea might be to change your signature and add your email addy(temp works fine) for others to contact you about refunds and whatnot

Edit: Apparently grue is up

I highly recommend you doing this and I'll vouch if needed.

Or Grue/BadBear/Theymos and maybe even HilarousAndCo. I can only do so much.

well its kinda anyoing see seb banned for making real different statements, they are still in a row i know, while it is still tolerated that people post the same shit (by content) over several pages...

Well, I guess with the amounts you escrow all the time it is a fulltime job, including such earnings. I joined signature campaigns since I thought i post anyway, why not getting paid for it. And I check out the websites I advertise.

If you think that is wrong then you would have to criticize theymos too, what you surely won't do, but the forum is auctioning adspace so the connection to the advertising company is not much different.

You realize that you wear a signature that pays you too? The only difference is that you can fully back that company. I only can do a slight check, though that is the same with theymos.

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Mitchell wrote something like "and you even wore a signature". Which doesn't sound like it would not happen when you don't wear a sig campaign.

Well, guess the only solution if you don't want to post multiple posts in a row would be to be a forum addict, staying online all the time. I don't have that time unfortunately. Guess fulltimespammers will be happy with that solution. Or would it be fine when I post a single post and wait until at least another post was done by another user? Rules become way more difficult all the time now.

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Though nearly all signatures are paid signatures in some form. Only because someone doesn't have an own company to advertise for he would get paid from another person. But advertising an own company is still a paid signature. Only some have signatures that don't serve a monetary purpose.

Thanks for considering it. I guess iam not allowed to send private messages with that account, so maybe someone other can send a pm to grue?

I actually wonder if you read this, hidden in all the other posts. :D :D :D

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Thanks for the offer mexxer, I will wait if grue, badbear, theymos or hilariousandco can see the possibility of a solution through forum pm before I try to use other forms of contacting the escrow parties.

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Yes, it's strange to see how some threads get newbies posting the same short answer over and over again, sometimes answering the same questions with the same answer with newbie accounts that look like they are owned by the same person anyway.

Well, guess they only need to leave some posts in between and they are fine. :)

First off, theymos runs this community.  He sells space here for the service that is provided.  Members getting paid to advertise to this community using this community is not the same.  If theymos is a manure salesman, that doesn't give you the right to get paid to shit in his customer's yard.  That is another topic though.

Secondly, I don't advertise a company.  I advertise my safe escrow services for this community, cool coins I make which I donate nearly all proceeds to NastyFans, and my NastyMining thread that I HAVE DONATED TIME AND FREE ELECTRICITY TO FOR NEARLY FOUR YEARS.  I love Bitcoin and I think what I'm doing is cool and honest so I try and make it known.

Please don't put our actions in the same category.

I don't even know now if I can do another post now or if I have to edit the old post, adding this there. Risking that the old was was read already and my change will not be noticed. ::) *sigh* Strange things I have to think about...

Anyway, i think the previous post might be too old so here a signature message.

If someone can post it in my service thread, see my mainaccounts profile, then this would be great.


I hope a solution can be found for the pm system since when i think about moving the trades to email then it sounds like a potential security risk to traders again. They would need to verify somehow that they actually are the same persons that have the deal on the forum.

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I thought you refer of advertising another company being somewhat shady. Theymos allows sig campaigns so there is no point arguing about it. If you didn't mean that an escrow should not advertise then I don't know what you refered to.


I did not check out your signature fully. I know you are one of the very rare businessmans on bitcointalk that I trust. Your businesses are running fine and shareholders are happy. You are not inept or scammy like you can read in the trust rating I gave you long ago, as well as adding you to my trust list. If there is no incentive for you in all this then man, you impress me way more now.

Seems like sig campaigns are the only way to make money from your own sig space. Mine is a black hole.

@Seb_Ju sorry didnt fully read your entire last message, but you can change your signature to state that you are temp banned and that you should be contacted via e.g. an email address for the escrow. IIRC thats the way marco did it and it did  not break the rules nor did it prolong the ban.

So I've read through the thread, and the discussion of the ban reasoning. It's been mentioned that users can be banned for consecutive posting with a paid signature, but not without a paid signature. Can we have any confirmation from a staff member that this is the case? If this is the case, why wouldn't this rule apply to all users regardless of if they're wearing a paid signature or not? Consecutive posts like Mitchell posted as examples seem to clog up discussions on the forum, and it's so easy to put all of them into a single post.

Here my old thread about "multiple posts in a row":

 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1022225.0

Signature or not the rules are the same, but if you have to judge the reason why someone does what they do its more likely that the reason will be "for sig payments" if they have a paid signature. IIRC doog (probably never had a paid sig) was warned not to post like this as well.

So we have one rule for one and one for another.
People in a signature campaign = spammer and scammer (by default)
People not in a signature campaign = trusted person (by default)

I see many people that I would call signature spammers that I then realised don't have signatures! It should be the same rule for everyone, and you shouldn't make consecutive posts in the same forum. At least answer a few quotes at the end of the thread at tat point or reply to each of he messages as they come.

Answered right above by shorena:

When I first started reading this thread I was going to tell SebastianJu to just drop the signature,but he makes a valid point about the owner of the site. If you are running a business in a section I think it is important to be able to respond to any queries and imagine it could be hard wrapping them all into one or two posts.
Maybe it should be something that is earned for certain accounts.

The signature issue between those that have and those that do not really should not even be a aspect here.
Its a issue but I do not think it relates to this thread as much as not being able to post multiple replies.

Responded to by shorena, but not necessarily answered.
Dooglus does carry a promotional sig, the fact that it belongs to his business is irrelevant to this discussion. Multiple posting means multiple signature exposure.
If a carrying/not carrying a promotional signature is not a factor, then how come Gleb gets away with chronic consecutive posting when he is in full flow?

Exactly, if you don't have nothing to promote (personal business ,etcc ..) that's not a problem ;) so it is not against the forum rules.

I've warned him about this at least on 1 occasion. I was ignored at that point in time as well. The ban was well deserved and there is not much more that can be added.. I don't see a valid reason for one to make consecutive posts in this case, especially not when involved in a signature campaign. I would advise the OP one more time to avoid this in the future.

OK, this is very good to know and I'm quite surprised that SebastianJu got temp banned.  Guess I shouldn't be, right?  Then again, a lot of other users do much the same thing, Spoetnik and Gleb Gamow in particular come to mind.  Yes this is off topic, but that Cryptsy thread was spam city between the two of them.  Anyhow hope you can cope with this, SJ.  Learn from it.

I think it is kinda ridiculous to imply that your ban had anything to do with you (subtlety) speaking out against me, similar to how I think it is ridiculous to imply that I give negative trust to anyone who speaks out against me......do you have any idea how many people troll me on a regular basis -- a lot, and a good number of them have never received negative trust from me, although a lot of them are scammers, and were tagged by me in the past -- just because you troll me does not give you a free pass in being a scammer.

The reason for your ban was written on the ban message, it is because you made excessive consecutive messages with a paid signature. The key word here is excessive. Sure, it might be helpful to separate responses between multiple posts, however when a good number of the responses are responding to things that is really no longer relevant to the conversation, and when some of the responses are responding to a post that someone already responded to, one would probably consider the double post (or quadruple post) excessive. If you are going to make a 2nd consecutive post, there should be a good reason why you are making a second post, and the second post should add a lot more to the conversation then the 1st post, the same is true for the 3rd post, as the third post should add a lot more to the conversation then the 2nd post (which should have added more to the conversation then the 1st) -- it will probably be fairly rare that it is actually appropriate to make three consecutive posts. You also should probably not respond to the same person across two posts, even if you are responding to two different threads.

There is also the issue of having a paid signature. A paid signature means that you have an incentive to make additional posts and this will (or at least should) be taken into account.

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It really does not matter which moderator issued the ban. I would not be terribly surprised if one of the lower level moderators requested seb to get banned and a more senior moderator "approved" the request and issued the ban. Also disclosing which moderator issued a ban will only lead to moderator abuse/harassment of that moderator. If the ban was not appropriate/necessary then it can always be overturned/reversed.

I'm not fully aware of the fineprint of the english language so did you mean that you sent them a pm? If not could you do so?

Thanks in advance!

I think he meant he can only help up to his level best. On regards the un-banning, only Grue/BadBar/Theymos/HilariousAndCo can do something about it.

One of the most trust worthy escrows in the forum gets banned for signature spam, classy. :p

And the guy who recently had some troubles with him comes up to twist the knife in the wound, surprising.

Hey, I ain't twistin' any knifes here. Don't you find it funny that a guy who claims to have escrowed 8k bitcoins was spamming for a signature campaign? I do.

What's there not to understand?  Like me, he posts on this forum because he wants to.  Like me he wants to get paid for that, because why wouldn't you?  It's a way of supporting the bitcoin economy and it is a feature that I've never seen on any other forum, that is, renting out signature space.  I don't know how sig campaigns came into existence, but it seems a little unfair that people who make quality posts get criticized for participating in them.  They are, either explicitly or implicitly, endorsed by Theymos.

I have no problem whatsoever with signature campaigns.  As I've said in other threads, it's a neat concept and seems to be unique to bct.  It's the people who shitpost that ruin it for everyone else

We all know that if you wear a paid sig you are treated differently (rightfully so). I agree he needs to not post so many times in a row, but I do not think he did so for more sig pay. I am sure after his 2 week ban he will change how he posts.

This is why I prefer flat rate campaigns for everyone (I have been flat rate for years now).

great job mods, please continue hunting signature whores and make this forum usable again..

This is what happens when you start asking too many questions about the staff. Suddenly all these unwritten rules you never knew existed are enforced. Funny how this seems to happen over and over and over and everyone is either in line to brown nose or pretends it never happened.

Now I remember that it was you who warned me. Well, i guess i did not realize that you are staff at that time. I thought it was a personal opinion rather than a rule to follow. ::) My bad.

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Already done. My personal opinion about the huge posts that i would have to create now not being read at all didn't change though surely i will follow the rule, now that i know that it is an actual rule. Too bad i had to realize it this way.  :(

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Yes, sorry about that. You know how one feels when something bad happens... explainations are searched. And since mexxer all the time was around like "told you so", he even warned me some time back before staff warned me, it looked a lot like he might have reported me. I didn't see a reason for that since I never angered him, at least with that username, so i was asking myself why does this happen now. What came to mind was only brace the mace who tried to shortchange someone and besides that only that I slightly criticed you. Leading to the rumour that mexxer might be an alt of you since he acts the same way you did back then.

Sorry again, I would not have written such things when I would have been calm. ::)


I only referred to those claiming that you neg repped them because they spoke out against you and were negrepped when not on default trust. Forget it ok? No hard feelings please. This forum is, at times, already exhausting enough. :)


I think another valid reason might be that the previous post was older. You need to add something and it needs to be read but it won't be read because there is no update to the thread.

Though i guess admins won't have time to check this and it will be a consecutive post anyway.

I wonder what someone should do when he needs to create an otherwise writeblocked thread to provide infos that should not be disrupted by other peoples post who should use another thread for comments to keep the infos easily readable.

At the moment i don't have a clue if such a thing would be possible at all. I mean can i really risk being banned again for lifetime this time? Well, it would make my life easier for sure since the forum is pretty timeconsuming. Easily seeable by, I believe, 4 big escrows practically leaving in the last weeks. Though I'm here trying to help avoiding scams and hopefully see how bitcoin prosper. I would not want to leave the forum to scammers. Even though i sometimes feel like giving up when the next timeconsuming hurdle shows up. :(

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Ah ok. Well, the thing is i probably can't technically send a pm with my banned account and I guess Iam not allowed to send a pm with this alt-Account. So I would have to depend on someone other sending one. Or can I?

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You really want me to protect you? ::) Well, have fun on my cost... i won't turn scammy or try to shortchange others only because it could be highly rewarding. I prefer being able to look into the mirror. And i escrow because there are too many that think differently.

Besides, spamming is a hard word for my post quality. Well, it's defined that way on the forum now regardless of the content. Hopefully more are aware of this now.

You're talking about it as if I can get anyone who I feel like to be banned  :-\ , although the thought of reporting you did pop into my mind a few times , with the mods(the ones who can actually do anything) barely caring about signature spam and the fact that you are a trusted member, a legendary one and an escrow I simply disregarded the thought.

P.S: Learning you are, making multiple posts in one, my young padawan

What you wrote is just pure nonsense. It was well known that you should not be double or triple post. Additionally he was warned(!) several times by both staff and non staff members. Read the thread next time before you appeal to emotion.

It doesn't matter to me who you are, if you keep breaking the rules you will get banned.

Exactly.

You should look more closely next time. However, this happened a while back. It is best to wait out your punishment and avoid doing this in the future.

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Update: Corrections.

Nicely put.
Though there are many that hate signature campaigns, It is acually a great way of keeping the Bitcoin ecosystem going.
Since mining is now seen as unprofitable unless your electricity fees are less than $0.09/KWh, it is probably the second most used way of distributing Bitcoins and give members a chance of earning when they wouldn't normally.

It does seem a bit like you are trying to twist a knife. I don't believe that being in a signature campaign itself means that you are a spammer.

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If this is correct and he did make multiple posts in a row, then that is another thing entirely as he should really have known not to do that and can now learn for next time (when he could be permabanned)!

You really like shoehorning in your vendetta against the staff in every irrelevant topic you can, huh?

I don't think this really needs to be mentioned anymore; he has accepted his punishment and already started to change. There is no reason to try and make him feel worse about it.

Meh, I just feel an urge to make fun of the ridiculousness. I'd make fun of any "legendary escrow" that got banned for spamming posts paying 0.5$ each.  

It's funny that someone should be paid for post here , especially users ( I'm talking in general).

I think so too, I only asked for the name in order to ask the moderator what the ban was about. It was cleared already and a name is not needed at all.


Hm, I searched for messages from you but all I found were two messages back from august. Did you write with an alt-account, was the message deleted or did the search function not work?

I wanted to check what you wrote because I did not realize that it as rule. Anyway, just generally, it would be good when anybody who warns mention that it is a rule at all. Maybe even the risk of being banned. I guess mexxer might warn more often. I only mean that generally it's not meant as critic.

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Yeah, I do of course. :D Even though I find these posts pretty ugly, they are not really a good read. I think I might mention usernames in bold. Maybe that would help other users to realize there is a post for them hidden.

On the other hand I already know getting criticized for too big posts. *sigh*

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It's a great way to advertise and name branding. Advertising here is probably the most effective way targetting the target audience. Bitcoin users are seldom more concentrated than here.

For getting a project kickstarted and branded it is a good thing for business owners.

The seond most important point is that there are not many places where you can get so good backlinks. Which will push the target domain up in the serps (search engine result pages).

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It's ridiculous reading you write this. You hid the fact that the account you wanted to sell was banned from a couple of signature campaigns previously. For what? For gaining a couple more bucks. And the buyer, when you would have managed to not check these thing out, would have felt scammed. Surely you are no one to speak out on that matter.

Besides, you are nearly 50% off with your guess. Quality posters can get special contracts. Well, it's funny that you tried to sell an account you used for signature campaigns too.

And surely especially you would not be the one who would let lay around free bucks on the floor... ::)

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But I would like have to clarify now how the rules are. What occassions is it allowed to post more than one post? I think there might be legitimate reasons but at the moment it looks too risky to try it out without clear rules being known. So what about:

• The previous post is older, let's say a day, a week or maybe a hour only. You would want to write something in the thread to inform everyone about a status change of something. You can't post adding at the last post because you could be sure that no one will realize the last post changed. No update of the thread would be propagated and the info would be missed by a lot of people. It might even be needed to help others out, like I do in cannabit thread. It would be not possible to wait until another poster asks for updates.
• You open a project thread, you reserve second and third post for status updates and you need to post maybe more often than other users. Still you need them to notice your text. It even might be a closed thread so that only you are the only person posting there.

I think it is extremely troubling to not have the rules fully exactly defined since it might not be possible to solve the above problems. No one would want to risk his account being banned or even permabanned.

So I ask mods and staff to clarify if there is a solution for these cases at all. Or if members would have to stop using the forum for things like that. I mean asking for if it is allowed before would surely not help either because it is often enough not easy to get an answer.

Something I found working for myself when I wanted everyone to notice an edit/addition to the last post I made is copying the post, adding what I have to say, and then deleting the first one.
I don't double post that way and everyone gets the info about a new reply in their list - for me (myself), that's the solution I prefer.

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Didn't know about that. Good to know.

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Do you have to be warned by an admin before getting temp/perma-banned? I was never told that. My friend was recently banned for telling lies ;)

If you edit a post (and you are the last post in a thread), the thread will reappear in "Watchlist" and "Show new replies to your posts" even if people read the previous version of the post. However, it will not bump the thread in the section overview.

This is, of course, if I'm not mistaken, but I'm 99.9% sure.

Is the sig ad+consecutive posting excessive by https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=253341 ?

A bit OT, don't you think? IMHO it would be.

Achievement unlocked: Quadrupple post. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093806.msg13901242#msg13901242)

Will you alway be first warned before ban?
Via PM or directly after post?
Where i can read more about those rules?

You are given no informatoin about a ban, they are not obligated to give you information.
They may suggested how a user can avoid it, but if they continue then they will bann them.
It is just a temp bann and so will be lifted after around 7-14 days anyway and there is no documentation on this I don't think on the forum.

Occasionally it is possible that moderators send out warnings via a PM. However, in most cases the first ban is your first warning. If you keep ignoring these warnings you end up permanently banned. However, this is all becoming off-topic (IMO).

Thanks for the infos, I think both cases could not violate the rules then.

When adding a notice on top of the post about the update then it likely will be recognized as a post with new infos.

However, with a thread where only yourself is posting in it would not work to delete the post, since it would kill the thread in whole. And not all info can be put into one post then. For example posting info about a scammer investigation. Can be huge. Of course adding might alert some users, though many, I believe, only checks out the forums and will not see the thread anymore maybe then. If it is still on the page then it might have a "NEW" sign to it.

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I'm not sure if the consecutive posting rule is mentioned on the forum officially somewhere so it might be good to know when a previously time banned account gets out of the risk zone of getting permabanned with the next ban. How long does it take?

I mean in case there are several unwritten rules and some users don't even would get a warning then it could happen fast that a permaban happens.

I was told there is a thread for unofficial rules here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 but the consecutive posting is not mentioned I think. And that is not an official list. So even with that there might be rules a poster can unknowingly run into and get permabanned fast since it seems not everyone gets warned.

I think it might be good to make rules, that are so dangerous to an account, official then. At least the thread was opened by a staff member so it is somewhat official because of that though it seems still risky.

You know, at the moment I somewhat fear to go against another rule and being permabanned. And I hope I don't have to live my whole forum life now with the risk of another ban being my last. That the timeban gets forgotten and after that the next ban would be a timeban again first before it would become a permaban.

Just saying, I guess clear rules might be able to make the life of staff and moderators alot more easy. Other users could warn others by linking to the official rules, users being banned could check themselfes or being told by others about the specific rule they broke and mods and staff would have less work at all.

Nope it was me possibly, I tried a test and then deleted the post because of my mistake(forgot to include the thread in my watchlist of my alt  ::) )

Oookay, here goes an edit

Edit 1: Either it works only after 5 min edit interval(possibly similar to edit notification of the post, the dotted line) or it doesn't at all. Didn't appear on my watchlist(alt's)

Edit 2: Aight here goes the 5 min interval edit. Also Mitchell, I think its something else(quite hard to explain) that you're talking about

Edit 3: Aand it didn't work

Hmmm, strange. I was pretty certain that worked as I saw it written down somewhere, guess not. My bad.

There are no official rules posted because that is the way they like it. If there were posted rules the staff might also have to obey them. Additionally if there were posted official rules then they wouldn't be able to keep everyone on the forum in a perpetual state of chill effect by forcing everyone using it to kiss the staffs ass in the hopes that they will not get extra creative with interpreting the rules in order to peruse a vendetta against you for being critical of them, and destroy all the work required to build up a reputation around here. Then anyone without a reputation is easily marginalized. In short this creates leverage over every user no matter how trusted they are or how much they contribute.

There will never be official rules or terms of service on this forum because Theymos fancies himself an "anarcho-capitalist", and like most "anarcho-capitalists" the rules are whatever he says they are according to how it serves his own interests at any given time. Funny he likes to call himself an "anarcho-capitalist", but the definition of anarchy is "without leaders" - (an - without, archy - leaders). Yet still he rules the forum from the top down with no meaningful control being allowed to anyone else within the community. Sounds like anarchy to me  ::)

Rules are more than just a form of government, it is a system of informing everyone in a community what is expected of them. Without this, people are simply left to examine the behaviors of others to extrapolate what the real rules are, and everyone knows that the rules are uniformly enforced upon everyone here right? No that couldn't cause any confusion at all... not that they care if the community is in disarray. That makes it much easier to misdirect them while they are being robbed.

The unofficial list of official rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) contains just that, official rules summarized in an unofficial list.

That's not how this work, at least not with me. I'm very strict and do not care about other factors involved (e.g. rank; "kissing the staffs ass"). In fact, it might even get you into more trouble with me.

Moderators "control" the community, theymos rarely ever intervenes (there isn't usually a reason for him to do so). So no, this is not "anarchy". You're just appealing to emotion because you've been burned here.

Editing a post makes it appear unread, but doesn't show up in the watchlist.
This is probably the post you were referring to

Damn it botany I was trying to put it simply  ;D

I think there is only one rule you/we should be aware of in order to avoid anything you wish,which is No.23.



There is nothing theymos could do here,this act looks like a lower level get together or team up and TBH there could be no consensus as we all know that is just a MYTH or fantasy or whatever bullshit.

The blind,deaf,brainwashed people/community supporting it and daydreaming to get to that abusable position one day is the problem.This obviously gives wings to the person who is already on that position and he will dominate as many people as he can and as much as possible,maybe the meaning of evolution in some sense ?

The saddest part is that we humans are the pinnacle of evolution and we have a BRAIN which could actually think,Imagine and Create things ,worlds or even species and which also created Bitcoin but we don't intend to use it and just go by puny judgments and discriminate people by the race they belong to, language they speak or the place they were born at and make similar groups to compete and win,BUT WHY ? cause "we want to be better,we want to be Cool ,we want to show them less" and yes we are stuck there ..lols.Very low life though.
  
IMO if i am benefiting (let it be signature or trading or any other service of mine being run on here) from anything made or is being taken care by theymos then i don't think having negativity against him is a sign of good personality in general.

In simple words,"Dodge the Doge",cause it has nothing to do with BIT :)

are you seriously convinced with that ?  like serious seriously ?

I don't need to be convinced of anything. Don't you not know the story, the months of pointless arguing? Some people tend to act like this if they are unable to get their way.

I doubt that many users have actually read the rules at all.

I do believe there are situations where double and tripple posting is suitable, for example

• Multiple discussion threads where one of the replies is exceptionally large
• Multiple, multiple discussion threadswhere a single post would end up replying to 9 people
• Fewer discussion threads but with brand new members (who are most likely to quote the entire reply)

The aim with the above is to prevent a thread becoming entirely useless as everyone's reply is quoting everyone elses discusses, making each post 50 lines high.

I just wanted to pop in and say that the volume of bitcointalk account escrow requests I've gotten since SebastianJu was banned seems excessive to me.  

I would like to see escrow agents stop providing escrow for bitcointalk accounts.  Besides being incredibly annoying and problematic, it is basically just assisting scammers.  

Not providing escrow for accounts will only assist scammers even more. Accounts will be sold regardless so it's better a third party can ensure a safe transaction.

This is my conclusion also, staff and moderators have the possibility to check the trades that went on on the forum. I think that was the conclusion the staff came to after the test of account trades being banned. They happened anyway, only without any way to find out what happened. Trades done over private messages are different at least.

Besides. An account trade involves alot of work for an escrow, which means alot of time goes into. For example only checking the safety of the account with this checklist: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1362297.msg13863985#msg13863985

Then those trades are mostly only $50 to $100, which means practically no tip for the escrow at the end. Mostly the traders are newbie accounts anyway and vanish without tipping or promise to tip but never anything happens.

Means escrowing account trades is more an idealistic thing for providing safety and making the life of scammers harder.

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Though OgNasty, I wonder what you mean with the many requests. From November till february the 15th I escrowed 9 account trades and 1 of it ended refunded. So in 3,5 months only 8 bitcointalk account trades. Maybe you mean accounts priced lower than $50? I think I have around 1 each 1 to 3 days that I deny because it is a lot of work and the risk is not comparable to the work amount. That you receive so many requests for bitcointalk forum account escrows is probably not because of my ban.

I think you overestimate the amount of escrow trades I handle too. What you wrote me some weeks ago let it look like you escrow way more than I do and often enough escrow requests to me end with you because you are online more often.

The only difference in the kind of trades that I accept is that I often leave the buyer the choice to accept a trade at all. I explain the risks and that I only can provide protection up to the point where I released the coins to the seller. If the buyer denies then he is safe because of knowledge gained, if he still agrees then it is his choice then. At least the protection given is higher than without an escrow. It's similar to escrowing an ICO. One could claim that it is useless. Once the issuer receives the bitcoins from escrow address he can vanish after dropping his coins. But in reality handling escrows led to, I think 2 ICO's being stopped because I hold the coins three days longer after the altcoins were spread and wallets given out. It turned out that issuers might be found scammy in the meanwhile, not properly burned coins or connected to a scamcoin. So most investors prefer an escrowed ICO, except with trustworthy members as issuers. And it gives some more protection in normal cases too.

Well, I guess you know that already.

Well, I will be happy when you return to handling escrows.  I feel like I'm the one being punished here.

Then, sold accounts should be left a neutral feedback stating account has been sold/changed ownership. This way, people would be aware of it. Many are buying accounts to scam. Gone were the days when they bought accounts to harvest signature campaigns.

If this were to become the norm then people will assume that accounts without this neutral trust have not been purchased and people that are able to buy an account without this trust will have an easier time scamming if/when they attempt to do so.

This neutral trust may also be off putting to signature campaign managers

If, if, if.

And since when do campaign managers care about neutral trust or whether an account was bought?

:D I'm sorry if it really turns out for you this way. Well, I think 4 big escrows gave up, three totally, one is away and probably will stop escrowing, because of the latest developments with master-P and escrow.ms. I think at some point it will push all their escrow users to the remaining escrows.

Unfortunately it doesn't feel actually great to know that there were scammers that worked in the same service section. :/ I think that is one big reason they gave up.

I don't know how you deny escrows but I created some default text for denying trades. I only add some additional info if it sounds like I should. So denying is a fast thing then.

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Actually all accounts I escrow seem to end up in a signature campaign even when the buyer is an account flipper first. His buyer will buy for signature campaign. It's he one big thing on the forum that seems to spread around as the best way to earn bitcoins for free.

And it would not really help to mark them. Like Quickseller mentions, if a scammer knows that this will happen then he will trade outside the forum again. So he receives a clean account while all normal users will have a mark that surely will mean a problem for them in one way or another.

I think it won't help against scammers.

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I'm not sure if they would care. I think more important are posts that are written in a nearly unreadable english. So that it really sounds like the barely english speaking indian mother of a bitcoin user tries to earn an additional salary. :D

On the other hand, if it turns out bad accepting those users then an account manager might autoreject those users from then to prevent work.

Though the mark won't help against a clever scammer for sure. And most scammers are clever. Not like master-P with his stories everyone could find out. Even trolls on here are clever and know how to trick the tracking of the forum. I doubt any serious scam could be stopped by marked accounts or forbidden account trades.

The only thing that comes to mind, that is unavoidable for a scammer to do, is the password change. A scammer surely won't trust the seller enough to not change the password. So if there is a list of the last 12 months password changes of that account in the trust page then users might have a slight hint that the account might have changed hands. Surely that is no sure thing but it is the only thing that a scammer can't avoid when buying an account. He will change pass to protect his scamming scheme.

So...? Just heard from someone Sebastian_Alt is escrowing , aren't you supposed to not PM anyone while you're banned? Nevermind, seems he was escrowing via emails

So a high rep member gets banned for spamming without any warning because he was wearing a signature and this user (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557193) is not even banned a day for trolling and using all sorts of referral advertisements.

Just look at his spams and note the time intervals between each posts > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=557193;sa=showPosts;start=0

Hmm. Sounds great!

Report a couple of his posts to the staff ;).

Bitcointalk is becoming corrupt!

An army attacking an unarmed is not what i call BURNED   :-\ keep the stories aside.

I will engrave them on my gravestone and will respect them until every dead cell of my body is decayed  :'( just because of you Laude.

I never knew that making a thread on every page of the thread is better than making multiple posts in a thread.

Assholes don't need a reason to troll.

He is JU , who will stop him ?  ::)

Use the Past Tense  >:(

It is a shame that Sebastian got banned for this.

Nah, the rules... are rules.


The problem here was only the sig ad, nothing else.

Yes, but a second warning would have been enought. Not a ban.

Have you tried reading the thread yet? If not, it's a great experience.

Sometimes mitigating factors should be weighed when making a decision like that, and given SJ's reputation I would think a warning should suffice.  I agree that the sig is a problem but I think a ban is far too severe for this type of offense.  I see Spoetnik and Gleb Gamow consecuposting all the time.  All the time.  They don't wear signatures though.

I find double posts extremely annoying.
The ban is also ok after the warning.

However, it now only hurts the people who has open coins in his service.
I think SebastianJu has learned his lesson. So I vote to unlock the account

I think doing that will make some users think that escrow providers gets special treatment. also it seems SebastianJu is keeping in touch with his clients through emails.

How ? Would you mind explaining ? Why don't take off your damn lending thread somewhere else if you think bitcointalk is corrupt ? Damn you hypocrites .

Looks like my account is completely free again. :) Thanks moderators and helping staff.

I only fear a bit that something like that might happen again, not for the same thing, but for some unknown rule one is not aware about.

Is there a forget 14 day ban after, let's say 6 months or so? Since otherwise the risk that another ban might be a permaban sounds pretty high. And the longer someone is a member on here the higher the chance would rise to get another one. Is there something like that?

And to those who tried to warn me kindly, please think about adding to your warning that it is an actual rule or even that it is a ban reason. Only something that would have saved me from this experience. ;) Thanks for the warning anyway, I'm sure anyone getting warned that way will be thankful. :)

Welcome back, now I think you can lock this thread ;).

You get 3 strikes after which you are perma banned(with no "time limit" after which it is "forgotten"). Next one is temp ban of ~30-60 days I'd say, so yup, be careful about posting with a sig

Edit: Anyway, too much pessimism for a post. Welcome back

Welcome back Legendary, after 2 weeks there should be 30 days or 60 days and then permanent ban if I'm not wrong.

I believe that the progression of bans usually goes from a 14 day ban to a 60 day ban. Although there would still be the risk of a perma ban if a rule violation is especially egregious.   

Guess that might be worth a suggestion for the new forum then. :D It simply would mean the longer one is in a forum the higher the chance to get permabanned while one would have to behave pretty stupid to do the same in a years timeframe.

I think closing the thread is not needed probably, it will die anyway fast. And I don't really like when others close threads when I would have wanted to say something. It feels like being forced to shut up. :P Might be only my preference or feelings. :)

AFAIK this only applies if you are banned for the same reason.

Welcome back juju. Glad to have another trusted escrow back on board. We were running out of those and quite a few scammy ones popped up recently.

Don't see any other reason than sig spam, if he ever gets banned again. Also, do different types of sig spam(for example this was posting multiple times in a row) count as different "reason"?

How about trolling? How about 'bumping spam'? There are 31 rules, and you can get banned for each one. I'm certain that what you asked counts as the same reason.

Usually, yes, but not necessarily.

Not necessarily. It is more of a case-by-case basis.