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Title: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Spendulus on February 18, 2016, 02:05:43 AM
I found this video today and it is intriguing. It is only four minutes long, so it is watchable.

I don't know if some may find it offensive and present it for comments.  It is a modern Muslim woman arguing a traditional.

The woman with her face hidden rejects sharia. The woman with the full make up wants to cut off hands.. How Bizzaro World.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LChGfJMur5o


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: af_newbie on February 18, 2016, 02:45:48 AM
She is an Atheist, and "culturally Muslim", she follows a Muslim dress code, but she does not believe in angel Gabriel, Mohammed and God.

Arab world need more people like her to re-progrm the rest.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Moloch on February 18, 2016, 05:09:19 AM
She is an Atheist, and "culturally Muslim", she follows a Muslim dress code, but she does not believe in angel Gabriel, Muhammad and God.

Arab world need more people like her to re-program the rest.

Actually, they mention that she doesn't normally follow the dress code, and that she only wore the hijab to disguise her identity, and protect her family from religious reprisal (then of course shouts her name at the end)

Definitely not a "new Muslim" though... I agree on the cultural Muslim... like the Atheistic "cultural Jews"... It's difficult to go full Atheist in a country where they will murder you for Apostasy...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Islam (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Islam)

I personally don't see much difference between the fundamentalist Muslims and fundamentalist Christians...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Christianity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Christianity)

They both sound batshit crazy to me


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: romero121 on February 18, 2016, 06:26:20 AM
There is nothing such as new or old. From the video she tries to describe the human feelings along with the Coincidence which occurs through religion.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: clangtrump on February 18, 2016, 07:45:48 AM
Yap. It's the people who are changing some realizations and revelations are sprouting.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: xslugx on February 18, 2016, 11:51:30 AM
She is an Atheist, and "culturally Muslim", she follows a Muslim dress code, but she does not believe in angel Gabriel, Mohammed and God.

Arab world need more people like her to re-progrm the rest.

Seems like she doesn't really have the choice to follow this code though...


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: arbitrage on February 18, 2016, 12:43:42 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: xslugx on February 18, 2016, 01:07:10 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.
Well in fact any population reacts very offensively on any talk against their way of life ^^


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: zenitzz on February 18, 2016, 01:22:34 PM
Sure it is flawed logic to think that all Muslims are terrorists but this thinking is a reaction to a huge problem where this religion is the one common denominator.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Spendulus on February 18, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
Sure it is flawed logic to think that all Muslims are terrorists but this thinking is a reaction to a huge problem where this religion is the one common denominator.

The "true Muslim," the newscaster, says she wants to implement Sharia law everywhere, and shutdown bars and other such things.

She wants to impose her little crackpot religion on the world.

how about that?  That's your "normal Muslim."


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: adverbelly on February 18, 2016, 05:07:57 PM
She is an Atheist, and "culturally Muslim", she follows a Muslim dress code, but she does not believe in angel Gabriel, Mohammed and God.

Arab world need more people like her to re-progrm the rest.

yes , i completely agree with you.. arab world need dractic changes on islam stuff.. she is perfect for this..


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Spendulus on February 18, 2016, 06:00:38 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.
Well in fact any population reacts very offensively on any talk against their way of life ^^

You don't say?

How about the fact the newscaster claims she doesn't want to kill all the non-Muslims, just implement Sharia law everywhere.

She is talking against OUR WAY OF LIFE.  But if someone suggests that you should not talk against our way of life, that population reacts very offensively?

Something quite wrong with that.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Moloch on February 18, 2016, 06:15:01 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in this?

Christians and Muslims accuse Atheists of being violent...

But, who is always the one assaulting the other? It is always the religious person punching/murdering the non-religious... Every single time... And why? Because they do not believe your fairy tale?!?


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Spendulus on February 18, 2016, 08:28:28 PM
Sure it is flawed logic to think that all Muslims are terrorists but this thinking is a reaction to a huge problem where this religion is the one common denominator.
Time after time, in these threads, this Straw Man Argument is brought up.

What it is is a misrepresentation of the opponent's argument.  You make it, and then shout about how wrong it is.  It's intellectually dishonest to do this.

Apparently that's okay for Muslim apologists.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: af_newbie on February 18, 2016, 08:42:21 PM
Sure it is flawed logic to think that all Muslims are terrorists but this thinking is a reaction to a huge problem where this religion is the one common denominator.

Looks like the stripper in the video is ready.  Give her AK47 and she will become one.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: bitcoinmar on February 18, 2016, 08:45:30 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in this?

Christians and Muslims accuse Atheists of being violent...

But, who is always the one assaulting the other? It is always the religious person punching/murdering the non-religious... Every single time... And why? Because they do not believe your fairy tale?!?
I strongly agreed with you common peoples have no problem with these things mostly these came from Religious persons they want to force others for following and creating problems for common peoples I watch few videos which showing very bad behavior from them for other followers 


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Spendulus on February 19, 2016, 02:36:22 AM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in this?

Christians and Muslims accuse Atheists of being violent...

But, who is always the one assaulting the other? It is always the religious person punching/murdering the non-religious... Every single time... And why? Because they do not believe your fairy tale?!?
I strongly agreed with you common peoples have no problem with these things mostly these came from Religious persons they want to force others for following and creating problems for common peoples I watch few videos which showing very bad behavior from them for other followers  

Yes.  I have to laugh at the outrageousness of it.  The newscaster defended her "moderate position" by noting that she didn't want all infidels killed, she just wanted Sharia law over the entire world.

Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?

And remember this is Egypt, in dire perpetual poverty, a place where what they should be concerned about is pulling themselves out of hopelessness, starvation and misery and into the 21st century.  But oh, no, we have to babble about proper muslim behavior.  What a utterly ridiculous situation.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: hugoworld on February 19, 2016, 06:30:17 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.

i dont see any illogical thing about covering herself up because muslims are not respectful to such ideas.. she is scaring of these..


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: xslugx on February 19, 2016, 07:15:50 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.
Well in fact any population reacts very offensively on any talk against their way of life ^^

You don't say?

How about the fact the newscaster claims she doesn't want to kill all the non-Muslims, just implement Sharia law everywhere.

She is talking against OUR WAY OF LIFE.  But if someone suggests that you should not talk against our way of life, that population reacts very offensively?

Something quite wrong with that.

No problem with her wanting to implement the Sharia law, what's the problem? I don't get it!


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Spendulus on February 19, 2016, 07:32:49 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.
Well in fact any population reacts very offensively on any talk against their way of life ^^

You don't say?

How about the fact the newscaster claims she doesn't want to kill all the non-Muslims, just implement Sharia law everywhere.

She is talking against OUR WAY OF LIFE.  But if someone suggests that you should not talk against our way of life, that population reacts very offensively?

Something quite wrong with that.

No problem with her wanting to implement the Sharia law, what's the problem? I don't get it!
you mean, you have no problem with her wanting to implement it worldwide?

In other words, force it on you and me.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: xslugx on February 19, 2016, 08:21:33 PM
She openly talks about her "disbelief" so that's why she must cover her face nothing more.
To avoid problems if someone recognize her on street.
Many Muslims react very offensively on such talks.
Well in fact any population reacts very offensively on any talk against their way of life ^^

You don't say?

How about the fact the newscaster claims she doesn't want to kill all the non-Muslims, just implement Sharia law everywhere.

She is talking against OUR WAY OF LIFE.  But if someone suggests that you should not talk against our way of life, that population reacts very offensively?

Something quite wrong with that.

No problem with her wanting to implement the Sharia law, what's the problem? I don't get it!
you mean, you have no problem with her wanting to implement it worldwide?

In other words, force it on you and me.

Dude, that's not what she said. She didn't say she wanted to enforce it no? Maybe I didn't read correctly.

She just wants to promote her way of life. Her way of life is the Shariah. Well no problem. If more than half of the population wants Shariah law then it should be put in place.
Of course I couldn't live in such a country xD
But I see no problem with people defending their point of view as long as it's through explanations and democratic processuses.


Title: Re: New Islam versus Old Islam. Two radically differing views.
Post by: Spendulus on February 20, 2016, 12:47:18 AM

No problem with her wanting to implement the Sharia law, what's the problem? I don't get it!
you mean, you have no problem with her wanting to implement it worldwide?

In other words, force it on you and me.

Dude, that's not what she said. She didn't say she wanted to enforce it no? Maybe I didn't read correctly.

She just wants to promote her way of life. Her way of life is the Shariah. Well no problem. If more than half of the population wants Shariah law then it should be put in place.
Of course I couldn't live in such a country xD
But I see no problem with people defending their point of view as long as it's through explanations and democratic processuses.
[/quote]No, a way of life cannot and should not be forced on 49% by 51%.

That is why we have a constitution and a bill of rights in the USA.  It is also why we have a republican style of government not a pure democracy.

Be that as it may, the Islamic concept to which she refers is NOT to implement it when a majority wants it but to implement it regardless of the majority opinion.  Because the opinion of non-Muslims does not matter one bit.

It is what it is.