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Post the name of a coin not on the poll and that coin will be added to the poll.

[added] Preferably coins without heavy premines / moderated threads etc, I don't want to argue about whether those things are good or bad but I prefer not to list those coins.

The poll will be reset to zero when there are at least 5 coins and the order will be made alphabetical.

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A lot of devs work for pay on shitty coins (e.g. paid by premine, ico or other)...
...and some work for free on better coins (so they will get "paid" by the coin going up in value).

If you were an experienced coder or dev, which ethical coin would you work on for free?
Meaning you buy a little of the coin then do work on its code and have some confidence that the work you are doing would increase the price and value of the coin?


(One HUC vote is mine)

Thread and CMC links

BLK/BK
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=469640.0
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/blackcoin/

GRC
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=324118.new#new
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gridcoin/

HZ
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785 [Moderated]
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/next-horizon/

HUC
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=435170.0
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/huntercoin/

UNO
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=313126.0 [Moderated]
http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/unobtanium/

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note: One day I clicked on this poll and saw siacoin suddenly had 19 votes. There was a post from the siacoin dev (below) that seems to explain a tiny premine but doesn't mention some sort of ico. There was a link in the siacoin thread pointing to this poll. Honestly, does all that make siacoin an ethical coin people should donate time to?

This poll is trying to get opinions and measure genuine sentiment towards coins. It's not a "who can spam polls" competition.

If you link the poll in a thread and try to inflate the votes for "your" coin I'll remove your coin until the next reset.
Sia removed
Horizon ""  temporarily.
Gridcoin ""  temporarily.

Please don't link to this poll on 'your' coin thread.

UNO

Why?

1. UNO is Bitcoin code, so you are doing code work that improves both at the same time.
2. ASIC tech is the most certain and advanced, so the task now is to improve the merge mining side, that could usher 1000s of side projects to join in.  Creating a very decentralized and secure network that acts very much like the "Crypto 2.0 or 3.0" projects.
 

I vote for first Other to SIA

real name, real company, dedicated development and real delivery product.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1060294.new#new


their "airbnb" style decentralized cloud storage client is working on smart contract base.

How about Horizon? Lawd knows, we can use the help...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=823785.0

There could be some many options,

I would add Ethereum,Lisk at least in the poll.

They have a great following and are very promising.

And good business people behind it, that are actually working hard for the coin.

I would say Bitcoin or Blackcoin.

Blackcoin because it's one of the most efficient POS altcoin.

Sia had a 30 million coin premine. There are currently 10 billion coins in circulation, definitely just a drop in the bucket. I regret doing that premine, should have just dropped $600 during the first 5 days of trading, would have had the same effect.

Monero.

BitShares is quite interesting to work for as you can be paid by the blockchain directly.  

Two ways currently:

-Worker Proposal.  Submit a scope of work proposal with required compensation which shareholders can vote on.  If approved, you are automatically paid the blockchain for your work.  This provides a checks and balance system.  If you are showing progress shareholders will continue to vote for you, if no progress, deadbeat workers are voted out.

-Fee Backed Asset.  Stealth was the first fee backed asset.  An end user paid 45k FiAT to Cryptonomex (Bytemaster and team) to implement both the code and GUI.  In return when a stealth transfer is used part of the transfer fee goes to holders of the Stealth FBA.  The end user who funded stealth can hold the complete asset themselves or sell them on BitShares internal exchange.


General Overview
http://docs.bitshares.eu/bitshares/user/index.html#for-blockchain-employees

Workers
http://docs.bitshares.eu/bitshares/user/worker.html

FBA
https://github.com/bitshares/bsips/blob/master/bsip-0007.md


The BitShares chain can almost be viewed as an autonomous corporation.

Monero because it is the best privacy oriented coin with the fairest launch that still has a lot of features in the works, such as i2p integration, pruning, confidential ring signature txs, and more.

Lisk is a fork of Crypti that is about to launch an ICO. It's pretty scammy IMO, Crypti had an ICO, now same devs are forking it and running another ICO, wtf?

these LISK guys can't even be called devs. more like promoters and graphic desigers than serious coders.

For more information on Monero. Here are some starting points
https://getmonero.org/home (https://getmonero.org/home)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.0)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753252.0)
https://www.reddit.com/r/monero (https://www.reddit.com/r/monero)

For starters:
1) Coin development is funded entirely by donations of time and / or funds. There is no premine etc. Coins are only obtained via Proof of Work mining. This avoids many regulatory issues with agencies such as FinCEN in the United States.
2) Privacy and fungibility via ring signatures, (Cryptonote code base). Current. Ring Signatures with Confidential Transactions (Ring CT) in the future.
3) Adaptive blocksize limits combined with a tail emission address the blocksize scaling issue in Bitcoin. This is by far the highest capitalization Proof of Work coin that does not have the blocksize scaling issue, that is currently tearing the Bitcoin community apart.
4) A strong and very active development team that has over close two years made very significant advances over the original Cryptonote code base. Monero is currently listed 5th over all for developer in https://www.coingecko.com/en?sort_by=developer_score (https://www.coingecko.com/en?sort_by=developer_score)
5) A strong and active research arm that is actively addressing security and technical issues. https://lab.getmonero.org/ (https://lab.getmonero.org/)
6) A clear set of design and development goals showing clear and measurable progress https://getmonero.org/design-goals/ (https://getmonero.org/design-goals/)
7) A forum funding system (totally voluntary) with a proven track record of funding projects. https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress (https://forum.getmonero.org/9/work-in-progress)

I can continue but the above should provide a prospective developer with the tools to start her research. When getting involved with a project such as Monero the one thing I would recommend is to do your own research first.

Here is the 2015 year in review for Monero.

https://getmonero.org/2016/02/10/monero-missive-2015-year-in-review.html (https://getmonero.org/2016/02/10/monero-missive-2015-year-in-review.html)

Edit: Removed quote since it referred to another coin.

Gridcoin [GRC].

Gridcoin combines the energy-efficiency of Proof of Stake with scientific "Proof of Work" aka Proof of BOINC to Proof of Research.
With the energy-efficiency of Blackcoin you can generate interest. While you are (optionally) donating your computation power to different BOINC projects (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Open_Infrastructure_for_Network_Computing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Open_Infrastructure_for_Network_Computing)) like cancer or malaria research, you generate additional coins.

The coin exists for more than 2 years now, there has been no premining. It is ASIC resistant because every whitelisted BOINC project has own algorithms and work on the projects is individually compensated. Some of the projects can utilize your CPU, some also the GPU and there is one for ASIC.

BTC thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=324118.new#new
CCT thread (main): https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/1331-new-coin-launch-announcement-grc-gridcoin/page-1115
Coinmarketcap: http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/gridcoin/

Quez

In my opinion there is enough question about cryptonote's origin to disqualify it as an 'ethical' coin. People should do their own research, as you say.

Are there more or less questions about Bitcoin's origin? What a load of shit. Also, putting Blackcoin on there, a clone coin that had a 1 week PoW phase so dev could instamine the shit out of it then switch over to PoS - sounds really "ethical".

You disqualify Monero on the grounds that it was forked from Bytecoin / Cryptonote, yet you do not disqualify Litecoin on the grounds it was forked from Tenebrix? Disqualifying premined / ninjamined coins is admirable, selectively disqualifying coins that are forked from premined / ninjamined coins to remove the premine / ninjamine is not.

Like I said: Please do your research.

i´ll just throw this in ->> Blowing the lid off the CryptoNote/Bytecoin scam (with the exception of Monero) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0)

I don't want this to sound too much like a Monero circle jerk, but I think devs such as your self would appreciate what monero is trying to do.  Here's a very recent video that Bitcoin Uncensored did and has Fluffypony (one of the core devs of Monero) as a guest, which starts at 6:00 and ends at 32:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKd7F-10lxM&feature=youtu.be&t=6m

Hopefully this will give you a better insight of how people who work with Monero think... and hopefully you can see that it's a pretty humble group of people who primarily are in it for the research in cryptonote technology.

Also, on the getmonero forum page, there is a section there that people post ideas that they think would possibly help Monero... whether it's in the actual code of Monero itself, or other projects that need to be done to help the Monero economy.  These ideas will be talked about on there and if people deem it a good idea, the community and dev will work out some sort of price (in XMR) which the community will pay the dev to do.  So if you have some knowledge in building cool apps or other things that will enhance the economy of Monero, then there is a little bit of extra incentive for you.

But seriously, if you don't want to work on it because maybe you just don't like the way cryptonotes are, or whatever the reason maybe... don't feel like you have to include us in your decision making.

Although I voted for huc this is easily my 2nd choice.

What evidence? That Keccak was sponsored by NSA? So was SHA256. That the original devs are unknown? So is Bitcoin's dev(s). Do you have any actual evidence, or just tinfoil hat speculation?

Synereo (http://www.synereo.com), because it frees people from the grasp of the big social media / big data complex.

It's ok, I won't turn this into a cryptonote thread... If you don't feel comfortable with cryptonote and want to work with a clone of Bitcoin or another platform that's cool. But understand that what you said is contradictory in that you don't want this to turn into a thread about cryptonote, but yet your waiting to hear other "supporters" of Monero tell you that it's the best out their by "pushing" monero. You shouldn't have to be "pushed" into something you feel is ethical, I feel you are waiting to be inspired by a project.

So with that, I suggest other Monero supporters on here to stop trying to "push", Monero's project should speak for itself... And if OP doesn't want to do it, then let him do his own thing. I don't think he's really wanting to debate over something that fits what we like to see in a coin, and that's ok because he is entitled to his own opinions.

Good point. Sorry.

You can read the last few days posts on the huntercoin thread and the op on this thread to see what I was looking for.


There was a very scholarly site by some Russians, Cryptobang I think it was called, that laid out a compelling case. The site is gone but you can find copies of it I think.

I understand that there are two sides to surveillance issues, and I understand both sides are sincere. I am in coins to make money, at this point, and with my very limited, i.e., near zero, knowledge of cryptography, and the takeaway from the cryptobang article, defending cryptonote is a high bar.

Am looking at it and will probably add new coins tomorrow. Seems to have a huge premine. That's good I guess if you like premines.

Those were basically the only two points from the cryptobang article. It's mirrored here: https://criticl.me/post/what-nsa-created-cryptonote-2292

It's not scholarly at all. There's no references, and they make no legitimate arguments (unless I'm missing them and you would like to point them out). Monero is one of the only alt coins to be praised and/or used by Bitcoin core developers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/46gfgv/list_of_prominent_bitcoin_people_that_spoke/

Are you saying that Greg Maxwell, Wladimir J. van der Laan, Peter Todd, Andrew Poelstra, Nicolas Courtois, and Theymos are all under the influence of alphabet soup organizations?

Yeh maybe if you read about it, they where not the dev's of crypty just early member's
And in 2016 they left it because their ideology's drifted apart,

They just release a video about why this coin is going to be great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_0TjP1gjY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk_0TjP1gjY)

And they already collected over 1300 Bitcoin so tell me how this is going to be a scam?

I second Gridcoin, it is already the second biggest team on boincstats for recent average credit (http://boincstats.com/en/stats/-1/team/list/16/0#2) and has done incredible amounts of research to cure Ebola (http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/oet1/overview.do), fold proteins (https://boinc.bakerlab.org/) or find aliens (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/).

Really, what could be a better humanitarian goal than bringing lots of people to donate their computing power to science for free?

Was Horizon removed? If so, why? Thanks.

I'm guessing because OP is only interested in shilling Blackcoin and/or Unobtainium. This thread is a joke, and if you want to dictate the conversation, OP, you need to start a self-moderated thread.

Warpcoin, WARP: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1329494.0

The only coin on the poll which I buy is Huntercoin.

It has one vote.

Mine.

Sooo... Why don't you just try to work for Huntercoin? Sounds like you already have made your mind up IMO, and not really looking for suggestions.

Okay....thanks for the clarification.

What is wrong with looking for other ethical coins?

Do you own only one coin?

The poll format may have been a mistake, since it has become a spamfest, but I am able to look at other coins and gauge them.

I 3rd Gridcoin, easily one of the best coins for altrusm, I have contributed to some amazing projects over 10 years on the BOINC platform and its great for Gridcoin to help me in that continued effort!

I also add a vote for Solarcoin, which is incentivising people to install Solar PV, also very worthy.

Im not sure why Sia is added to a list like this, its a good coin Im using and invested in.  Im also not clear why some other coins made it on this list, perhaps Im mis-interpreting the word 'ethical'.