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What happened:: This member started a thread on the service section offering 3d rendering/modeling services. He has also 'updated his portfolio' which are actually random images grabbed from google and he slapped trademarks on them

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=93844

Reference Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072391.0
         Archived : https://web.archive.org/web/20160130051714/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072391.0

Images source: first pic : https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datagrafikk  / https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/Glasses_800_edit.png

                     second pic : http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0FBjowpxpxU/TjgX8-M0gbI/AAAAAAAAAEw/Bgf7nAR1xG4/s1600/Home-theatre.jpg

                        third pic : http://s3images.coroflot.com/user_files/individual_files/407503_ZEl1NoCTwdYBpAVqUS1QckNtr.jpg

                         fifth pic : http://www.offshorerenderingservices.com/images/architectural-samples/3d-interior-rendering-18.jpg

Slapping on a trademark on someone else's work doesn't make it yours. Only proves that you're out to scam.

edit: If you really did design them, then im sure you have no issue's proving it as maybe a screenshot when its under the designing process or something.

Seems stupid. He should have at the very least distorted the images a little bit so you couldn't do a reverse google image search. I'm sure that the images were simply stolen randomly. Looks like legendster just found the images and then slapped a watermark on it.

Not sure why he would do this if he was expecting people to pay for his services - once they see his REAL work, they would most likely bomb him with negative feedback (maybe he wanted them to send first?)

That would most likely be the intention he has.

The image taken from wikipedia was created by Gilles Tran (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gilles_Tran), if you can proof that identity, I'm ready to remove my negative trust.

Funny, the picture you claimed to be made by yourself was Picture of the day in 2006.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Picture_of_the_day/August_2%2C_2006

lol, you guys are going too far, lutpin is now asking this guy for proof of identity
Also @james.lent if he made the pictures years ago, why would you expect him to have pics of it being constructed from that many years ago? why would he even have pictures of the image in construction?

Wouldnt be hard for him to do a basic reconstruction of those images now to prove his innocence. Clearly those images are not his. They're not only available on that one source which i've posted, but all over google.

No I don't. A simple message from Gilles Tran would be enough, I've made an example here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lutpin
or a blog post on his website:
http://www.oyonale.com/blog/
Both thinks would be enough as proof.

So why not just ask for him to do a basic reconstruction instead of having him show proof of identity?
I think you guys arent clear on what bitcoin and this forum is about

I did. Stop trolling and get back to your bridge.

You did not, you asked him for screenshots of when the images were under original construction, what are the chances of him taking screenshots from 6 years ago and still having them?

did i say 6 years ago ? Under designing process could also mean a recreation , or maybe he has the project saved. Not talking about the first pic in general, now stop trolling.

But, if he does have the skill to do this and he does create something and provides screenshots, how will that prove that he made the original pictures
simple-- (how will he prove he made the old pictures with new ones?)

Since he updated his portfolio recently with those pics, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1072391.msg13354700#msg13354700 , and if he's the original creator of those pics, then im sure he wont have an issue proving them.

It looks like the hero member 'Quickseller' gave this person a negative rating over a year ago because he was trying to take out a 60 BTC loan while using a faucet as collateral :D

It also looks like Legendary member 'johnniewalker' left this person a negative rating over similar issues as were described in the OP, as legendster was trying to sell a high end car, but to prove ownership of such cars he used pictures of cars being sold in Las Angeles while legendster was(is) located in India.

There also appears to be some level of controversy over the ratings that escrow.ms left for legendster as legendster purchased bitcoin from escrow.ms at above market value and ended up receiving two positive ratings from the deal, one from escrow.ms and one from Benson Samuel who has worked closely with escrow.ms in the past.

Kind Regards
Panthers52

What are you on about... Nobody asked for original construction 6years ago you totally made that up. Reading comprehension fail. Just open the source file is basically what's being suggested. Maybe you should let the perp do their own shilling you're really bad at this lol.

But my question is how you think he is going to prove that he made the images, do you think he made screenshots halfway through his work?

Wtf, are you retarded or just trolling ? If he owns the image im sure he has the means to prove em. Every project has a source file. Like photoshop has .psd files. Source files is a must for 3d renderings as they're needed for edits/ touch-ups . Stop shilling

Pathetic... Give up the socks already. You are tainting whatever point you may have.

So he should send you his source files? remove your negative trust at once

No, as i've already stated, he can open that file, take a snapshot of his work and post it. Cant you read?

LOL. Why are you so strongly defending legendster? I have read up on a pretty good number of crazy views however this post makes it outright look like you are an alt of legendster ::) Is this the case?

Even if legendster is exonerated of the allegations mentioned in the OP, he has a very sketchy past and I would not trade with him.

Kind Regards
Panthers52

Most likely he is.

Well if i were his alt you would be the first to know @panthers52 , after all, you are the expert at such matters

This thread isnt about his past so none of that cant be used when deciding on his trust ratings

The he shouldnt have used those pics for his portfolio. Simple as that.

If the pics are his they are his, i dont know why he needs to go as far as proving his identity and handing over source codes, ave you traded with this user?

No one asked for the source codes fool. Learn to read before posting. Start posting with your brain and not your ass.

I am good at finding alts, however I am unable to find everyone's alts, as some people are more careful then others. I am unable to locate any blockchain evidence that you and legendster are the same person.

My point above is that I believe legendster is a scammer, and I believe that negative trust is appropriate, even if the comments on his trust profile for the negative ratings are (potentially) inaccurate (if you were to assume that he is innocent of the allegations in the OP.

Another point is that legendster has a history of engaging in this kind of behavior.

Kind Regards
Panthers52

As said earlier, his previous ratings and past history should play no part in what is happening now

That is crazy talk. If someone has a history of acting dishonestly, then people should have no problem believing that he is dishonest now. If someone has a history of trading honestly then people will have problems when there is a scam accusation against them. When someone has a history of scamming, then people should have no problem that they tried to scam again (or that they actually scammed again).

Kind Regards
Panthers52

So i guess Theymos created that section so that we can post birthday greetings and it's nothing related to what he has done which would portray what kind of person he is. Thanks mate for the insightful info, now get back to your minecraft forums already.

Looks like he had more Positive's than Negative ? I mean trusted.

The mind-washed ,blind ,deaf people ? Yes, If they don't have problem believing in something like GOD, then they don't.

However, i don't think you should TAG with alt's ?

People here have so much free time that even no one did complained about scamming. Still they search every service or other thing to prove their superiority. This forum really going to losing goodwill what it was before just because of some trolls.

Btw you are yourself Quickseller, so why you are referring yourself. He have negative feedback but he also have some good positive feedbacks too.

I too have a lot of free time sometimes, everyone has but the intentions differ i guess.

In reality they are only proving how childish they are.

No, I think it is getting divided with time.The Bitcoin and Talk are two groups (or will become).The Talk is consisting the power trip assholes who have none thinking abilities or have only the minimum amount of knowledge required to use bitcoin and the Bitcoin would of course contain the open mindedness and talents or Logic,excluding exceptions though.

Anyone interested in "hiring" me should simply contact me and I will share the source file through skype.

Else I have been here for quite some time and seen a LOT of stuff being said about me. Thank you James for bringing your post to my attention, please do let me know if you have solid proof or even one person that I have "ripped" off through any of my services.

Btw, lookup Logan king here https://www.linkedin.com/in/legendster

As far as pictures concerned here, yes one - the first one - of the pictures here is not my work and is sourced from the internet, original render is by "Gilles Tran". I try to publicly hide most of my work but anyone who I have worked with has always got end result from my end which is very much my own creation.

On a side note, I dont rely on work sourced from "here the bitcoin community" I have Upwork/Elance profiles for that and no I will not share them unless I am bidding for a job through those sites. Why ? Because that is how I make my living and I will not have a two bit troll come and ruin my rep just because "its fun".

Thank you so much for keeping the bitcoin forum.. "interesting"... keep it up.

For the remaining who do not understand what I am offering and are labeling this as a scam.
Understand THIS, I am not offering THESE pictures for sale, I am offering to do something that is LIKE these pictures on display. Anyone in the business understands that.

Its ok bro, let these jobless kids bark all they want, people like me & you will continue to work and earn our living the way we can, people like these kids will continue trying to make a name for themselves by using OUR name.

So let them :)

The archive doesnt show you wrote that you do stuff "similar" like those images. i can just see pics with watermarks.

And yes it says "just 3d stuff" but that could mean anything

Enlighten me.

Not that it matters what you say or what I reply here but since I am here anyway here's how this works.

Client approaches.

Has an idea in mind.

I explain how it can be done.

Client asks to see previous samples.

Now mind you I started working professionally in 2009 a 17 year old kid who got "trained" professionally with a student level quality.

I show client my portfolio.

Client likes my past samples, I get the job.

Client pays some of the amount in escrow on Elance/Upwork

Job gets completed

I get paid

Client gets his work done.



So now, remember the part where I said I started at age 17 fresh out of a 'professional training' institute? Let me be very honest about that, there is NOTHING professional about these institutes, they teach us outdated stuff and things that do not seem relevant in today's world.
So imagine a client seeing a portfolio of a STUDENT who's so green that he thinks he can get a 'JOB' online based on his 4 year training which was worth shit and with a portfolio which some people would call mundane.

Wanna see my 3D FIRST human anatomy in 3D? IT SUCKED. This was my work's quality.

http://i65.tinypic.com/vq6usx.jpg

Wanna see my LAST human anatomy?

http://i63.tinypic.com/24pw9rn.jpg

So how does a 17 year old kid get from THAT to THAT? By "stealing" other people's work? Do I magically steal someone else's ability to model and render stuff??

Let me tell you how.
You TELL your client that you have years of experience under your bag, which - I admit- is a LIE, you show them a portfolio which has a LOT of work. Mostly that aren't yours. Because nobody wants to hire a noob.
But when you GET that job, you work! You work like there's no tomorrow and you MATCH that fake portfolio's quality.
That is how THAT 17 year old green rookie turned into THIS 24 year old "professional".

And guess what? That student portfolio with an awful content quality is now filled with work that pleases a LOT many people and why don't I share my portfolio online? because I don't want a rookie like I was, to find my portfolio and do what I have done.

Don't like how THIS works? Things not TOO nice and pink and unicorny for you? Welcome to the world of online freelancing.

So once again, I am not selling a product, I am selling a service. You wanna hire me? Great! lets get started. No work, no pay. Escrow must! You wanna troll around? Feel free to do your worse. Because people like you are just.. noise.

Sketchy past?
I am really honored. Do paint the sketch.
How many people I have scammed ?
How many people I have duped ?
How many people have EVER been able to say something about me and then back it up ?

Oh yes "Your Point is Invalid" IS my alternate account. You didnt't know??


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Then don't. TRUST me you are not the only one here to trade, I can find someone whenever I want to. Yes WHENEVER I WANT. Despite the red green orange on my profile and it may come as a shock ... but I actually do not have an alt account.

lol everyone meet the internet moral police. Listen kid, I do as I please :) and here's the fun part I am not answerable to you. If you believe that the images other than the Mr Gilles Tran's work arent mine THEN come back to me.

Since you are "good" at tracing stuff as you like to think, go ahead, trace the remaining images to me. I dare you.

- The point is  they are not linked to me or my name in anyway. Sure I can show you the raw files in my computer, but why should I? Why on EARTH would I waste my time on you? Wouldn't that mean that I would have to take you "seriously" ? and .. if you know me by my history.. I don't take trolls seriously.

2013 - been accused an arabian scammer with NO proof whatsoever of scamming. That's almost 3 years now .. so yeah .. who are you now?

YES, I tried to purchase a FAUCET that someone was claiming to make a lot of money & had proof to back it up, other people in the business pointed out those were doctored proofs & I backed out of the deal, simple as that.

Escrow.ms ? You mean Pankaj ? I bought at OVER the market price? Do you have proof? I bought AT market price and Benson Samuel - a mod in this forum, was the escrow. I paid first.

Anything else? Just dig up the forum. Its all here.

Do I understand right that you try to explain its absolutely normal to deceive someone in order to get a job? You would also write in your CV that you worked for NASA and tell some fantasy story in a 1:1 job interview just because you think you would get that job? In your head you excuse that lie because you think you are the best astronaut in the world?

Thanks for telling how things works - what the fuck is going on here?

http://rs1114.pbsrc.com/albums/k528/keveri/Misc/Laughing-chimp-gif-animation.gif~c200

In case I misunderstood, im sorry, but if that shit there is supposed to be real, I believe you are still stuck at 17 in your head.

Let me tell you "how" this will end up when you, one day, enter the real world. You pull that shit and something goes wrong, you end up with a fine for fraud, pretence and misrepresentation.

Following your logic, why dont you call yourself Salvador Dali Jr. and claim you are some long lost son who actually painted some of the stuff his father was credited for, then you get the job and you MATCH that work.

I do understand your logic (I think) but...that is so so so wrong, and people here shouldnt take this serious. The day one of your clients find out about the lying part, no matter how good you are, they can legally just tell you to fuck off with no pay and any court will confirm it. Everyone is prepping up his cv with some nonsense, everyone who speaks 3 sentences of french writes crap like "French Language: Advanced" etc, but this is an outright fraud. Its like, Sony and Pioneer are 2 companies and I want a Sony, you show me pictures of Pioneer with a Sony logo and tell me its 100% a Sony...but then you better make 1000% sure I dont notice you sold me a Pioneer.

I wont doubt you are talented, but if I seriously understood this above well (I had to read it twice..but perhaps Im missing something), that gets my vote for "surreal" argument of the month. You just try to speed up your career by deceiving because you wasted 4 years in some shitty school and argue with some weird form of necessity.

Dont really care about the topic and claims itself but this little explanation .....S U R R E A L ...

Yes, I remember Legendster from that used car scam thread that went on FOREVER.  It was one of the most interesting threads I've read in quite some time, and it was pretty obvious that the cars that he said "his friend" was selling were just pics grabbed from Google or some such.  Wouldn't trust him with anything related to money.

Just as an addendum for this argument against legendster's point: if they are able to "match" the fake portfolio's work, then they should be able to create work of their own of that substantial quality to make a REAL portfolio, instead of having our first impressions of them to be sleazy.

I mean... if you have the skills, why not show them off? If you are even able to do the art in the first place, that is.

lol you had me cracked up at that.

But yeah I get your point and no I am not in agreement with it, not wholly anyway.

Where you are going wrong is - you are mixing engineering with online freelancing.

In other words you are mistaking "hey I can do this" for "hey I will give you the exact product that you see here".

IN OTHER WORDS online freelancing works very differently and I have a lot to learn, but what I do know that in order to compete, you have to lie.

I cannot share my nda work and I don't get enough time to sit develop new demo reels, so I'll have to let time & non nda works fill up my portfolio and this phase has come and gone. I can do without using Mr Grans work on my portfolio because I have my own now. All anyone HAD to do was ask for it.

But lets face facts, how is this scamming?

Maybe you people need to re learn the definition of scamming. What I do isn't morally right, but being morally right didnt put food on my table.

Welcome back. So how many people did I scam?

Same question as back then. I am still in connection with the so called "friend" back then. Rest is history.

When you cant put your own work on the table then the only reason i see the thread you created is to scam. Its like Progammer A advertising his programming skills whilst linking other sites as his previous work.

People pay based on your previous work, and the previous work which you've been advertising isn't even yours. Now if you were offering a free designing service, then im sure no one would care but in reality, there's money on the line so people deserve to know what they're getting.


IF that was the case you should have stated that you area able to do such designs and not slapping trademarks on them claiming to be yours.

Like I said, not sure how many of you have worked online, I am sure a lot of you have. I learned from what I saw was happening.
Log onto freelancer or back then 'getafreelancer' you could see the same image on multiple profiles who claimed to be very different people.

Long story short since 2009 the only time anyone has been able to recognize Gilles Tran's work was on 29th feb 2016 and this is despite this image being on the front page of wiki and Mr Tran being such a famous artist.

Oh & as far as being sued is concerned, goodluck trying to sue someone in India because they copied someone else's work.

Right now, I can open a new account, wait for a few months rack up some trust by trading and lending and scam busting AND use some un traceable ripped off portfolio and claim it as mine and trust me no matter how hard you tried you wouldnt be able to find the duplicates.

How can I say that? Because thats what I did when I started.

Why don't I share my own work publicly? Because "the public" wouldnt hire me. Portfolio is for people strictly interested in hiring me.

NONE of you lecturers have hired me and NONE of the trolls here have been able to prove a scam in my name and I have been here for three years.

Hello Noise,

Like I said, not answerable to you.
I do what I do to EARN my income. I do not cheat or mislead. People see my portfolio before hiring and what was listed here was not even the top of my portfolio. I have around 600 mb of images in my portfolio.
The way you have chalked up this entire thing only MAKES me look bad but people that HAVE worked with me or interacted with me know the truth.

If you compare designing services to coding then you're an idiot.
And btw look up the concept of reskinned apps. Very common, not morally right but puts food on the table and is a legit form of work.

Oh and btw you are trying to gut punch someone for earning his living the right way. Bravo, now you can sleep well at night.

Since you're only interested in yapping and not proving your innocence, then i believe it's clear that the feedback you received are well deserved. Will be locking the thread now as we dont need more trolling and sig spamming.