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Title: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: galdur on March 02, 2016, 02:33:19 AM
Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History

Al-Masdar News has published a brief but compelling article highlighting the Syrian army's achievements since Russia entered the conflict back in September. The Russians have only been in Syria for five months, but they've completely changed the course of the war:


Exactly 5 months ago, on 30 September 2015, the Russian airforce began its bombardment on ISIS fighters and various Islamist rebel groups across Syria. Subsequently, government forces have been able to gain considerable ground in especially the provinces of Lattakia, Daraa and Aleppo. The latter governorate quickly witnessed a change of momentum and upper hand as the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) launched three different offensives in separate directions from the provincial capital itself.


The future of Syria is still uncertain, but one thing is absolutely clear: Russia has saved the Syrian people from western-backed slaughter. Moscow's ability to prevent a US-imposed "no fly zone" over Syria quite literally saved the entire country: As a Russian diplomat revealed, western powers predicted that a "no fly zone" would allow ISIS to take Damascus by October. And you can bet they weren't planning on doing anything about it.

Now the Syrian army is less than 100 miles from the Islamic State's "capital". In five months, Russia has turned the tables in Syria.



As Assad himself has said, 80 countries have conspired against Syria's sovereignty. Thanks to Iran, Russia, and the perseverance of the Syrian army, their plans have been destroyed. Are we not witnessing history? Is this not a new "international order"?

Putin continues to insist that Russia has no ambitions as a world power. It may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that Russian power has prevented the west from annihilating yet another Middle Eastern nation.

Russia has made history.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-help-syrian-army-has-doubled-its-territory-aleppo/ri13099
 

 
 


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: xht on March 02, 2016, 05:03:07 AM
So when will Putin have won this war? Remember if he just pulls his planes back before there is peace in Syria, that does not qualify as a win.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: BADecker on March 02, 2016, 08:00:30 AM
Russia may have made history in this, but the whole world has seen how hard it is to kill of an entire nation without using nukes.

:)


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: magnific61 on March 02, 2016, 08:28:56 AM
Do you really believe that Russian Air Force bombs ISIS?
Let me tell the truth:
There are many groups in Syria. Some of dissident to Esed Forces. ISIS, PYD and YPG support Syrian army. Turkey supports only FSA (Free Syria Army)  and Turkmen Forces.  Not ISIS nor PYD/YPG.  And Russian Army in Syria for supporting Esed Forces. Therefore,  Russian Air Force bombs only FSA and Turkmen lines. Month ago RAF (Russian Air Force) bombed even turkish aid convoy.
You know, RAF many times violated turkish border and apologized many times until Russian warplane dropped by TAF ( Turkish Air Force). Turkey and Russia were good allied before warplane dropped.
Shortly,  Russia is in Syria only for national benefit and it never bombs ISIS.  But bombs civilians, Turkmens and dissident groups.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 02, 2016, 04:42:31 PM
So when will Putin have won this war? Remember if he just pulls his planes back before there is peace in Syria, that does not qualify as a win.

You are viewing the definition of the term "win" from an American standpoint, to mean "total annihilation of the opponent". Russian standpoint on "win" is "to use enough force to allow diplomacy to take over and minimise the loss of life". That was true even with regard to the German Nazis, when USSR was pushing West to Berlin.

If Russia sees an opportunity to achieve peace without using excessive force, it will grab it. Such an opportunity was presented by Obama. If USA will hold their promise (they won't as usual) is another matter. The ball is now in the US court.

The stakes are no less smaller for Russia in Syria, as Syria was used by US-backed ISIS as a staging platform for terrorist activity within Russia.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Snail2 on March 02, 2016, 04:55:39 PM
The interesting question here, is why the US wasn't able to sort out that mess with a more than one year long bombing campaign? I guess we all know the answer ;).


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Balthazar on March 02, 2016, 05:24:30 PM
Do you really believe that Russian Air Force bombs ISIS?
Let me tell the truth:
<Erdogan-style bullshit skipped>

Yeah we all know that AKP lapdogs are trying to push their own definition of truth. Pathetic attempts to save themselves from the deserved punishment.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 02, 2016, 06:23:14 PM
The interesting question here, is why the US wasn't able to sort out that mess with a more than one year long bombing campaign? I guess we all know the answer ;).

The US bombing campaign was killing 3 to 5 ISIS millitants per day, and right now the Russian raids are killing at least ten times that number. The American strikes were just a hogwash, to claim that they are not favoring the ISIS. Can't wait for Erdogan fans to appear here, and post links from Syrian Observatory For Human Rights.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: croato on March 02, 2016, 07:02:21 PM
Russia is showing more common sense and balls than entire western civilization in this matter. Sure they protect their strategic and national interests but they are doing dirty job for all of us in the process.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: greBit on March 02, 2016, 07:28:21 PM
Russia is showing more common sense and balls than entire western civilization in this matter. Sure they protect their strategic and national interests but they are doing dirty job for all of us in the process.

But the are killing most of the innocents in syria and bombing the residential area just like the entire west and europeans are doing they should try to eliminate bashar al assad first and then wipe out isis from syria rather than killing the innocents


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Arrakeen on March 02, 2016, 07:35:12 PM
Russia is showing more common sense and balls than entire western civilization in this matter. Sure they protect their strategic and national interests but they are doing dirty job for all of us in the process.

But the are killing most of the innocents in syria and bombing the residential area just like the entire west and europeans are doing they should try to eliminate bashar al assad first and then wipe out isis from syria rather than killing the innocents

Innocents are killed in every war.  I'm not saying it's okay, I'm just saying it's an unfortunate inevitability.  Insurgents hide out in residential areas (because where else are they going to hide everything, in pistachio fields?) and get targeted...as a repercussion, innocents get hit as well.

War today isn't like war thousands of years ago, when rival armies would set up in giant fields and go at it one on one (although I know this is a generalization). 

And if Al-Assad were removed, who would take his place?  Some Sunni group that tips the balance of power in the middle east?  Some Saudi-backed 'moderate group'?  That would only cause more war as sectarian violence spreads to Lebanon & beyond


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Zeke2345 on March 02, 2016, 09:05:35 PM
Any connection to when Russia entered the fray and up tick in migrants to Europe?
Would be interesting to look at and think it would be a good gauge,but only if the numbers are strictly from Syria.



Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: magnific61 on March 02, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
Do you really believe that Russian Air Force bombs ISIS?
Let me tell the truth:
<Erdogan-style bullshit skipped>

Yeah we all know that AKP lapdogs are trying to push their own definition of truth. Pathetic attempts to save themselves from the deserved punishment.
Oh yes!  I got the reason of your tail pain. TAF hunted a russian crow  in syrian border. If crow doesn't want to be hunted, it wouldn't fly away to foreing land from nest. You got it


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 03, 2016, 02:40:15 AM
just like the entire west and europeans are doing they should try to eliminate bashar al assad first and then wipe out isis from syria rather than killing the innocents

Yeah sure. We should eliminate Bashar al Assad, who was democratically elected by his people and right now who is the biggest obstacle for the ISIS in their quest to rule all of Syria. There are only two sides in this conflict - the first one lead by Bashar al Assad, and the second one composed of Islamists such as ISIS and the Al Nusra. Chose any one side.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: designerusa on March 03, 2016, 05:06:23 AM
Do you really believe that Russian Air Force bombs ISIS?
Let me tell the truth:
<Erdogan-style bullshit skipped>

Yeah we all know that AKP lapdogs are trying to push their own definition of truth. Pathetic attempts to save themselves from the deserved punishment.

perfectly agreed.. akp and erdogan are getting closer to their end.. i hope they will get a fair deserved punishment for what they have been doing in syria..


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 05, 2016, 07:50:40 AM
perfectly agreed.. akp and erdogan are getting closer to their end.. i hope they will get a fair deserved punishment for what they have been doing in syria..

They will be in power as long as the Americans and the Israelis (now the Saudis as well) support them. AKP is still polling around 50% of the vote, and is quite strong, especially in Central Turkey. It seems to me that Erdogan will stay in power, for at least the next 10-15 years. The end will come only when the PKK is able to conquer Constantinople.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: arbitrage on March 05, 2016, 09:01:36 AM
Russia must help Kurds with weapons they are fighting against terrorist, and also they don't like Turks.
This way they will kill two flies.. Can we see creation of "country" for Kurds in near future?

"A rough estimate by the CIA Factbook has populations of 14.5 million in Turkey, 6 million in Iran, about 5 to 6 million in Iraq, and less than 2 million in Syria, which adds up to close to 28 million Kurds in Kurdistan."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_population


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: galdur on March 05, 2016, 09:23:27 AM
Wrong Train to Damascus: Will Erdogan Catch the Last Car?

MIDDLE EAST

10:58 05.03.2016(updated 12:16 05.03.2016)

http://thenewsdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/russia-turkey-airplane-shootdown-e1448923961168.jpg


Russia and Turkey were involved in the longest series of military conflicts in European history: they lasted between the 16th and 20th centuries and Russia has won the overwhelming majority of these 12 wars; a Serbian political analyst attempts to understand if a thirteenth is looming and what decisive factors could lead to it being unleashed.

There is a Serbian folk wisdom which says that “when you enter the wrong train, then all the stations are incorrect”.
This wisdom could be applied to the relationship between the Western countries and Russia, primarily to the one between Russia, Turkey and the US, Serbian political analyst Bojan Bilbija writes in his article for Serbian online newspaper Politika.

If one would assume that all the three are already in the wrong wagon, then the prospects of the thirteenth conflict between Moscow and Ankara are much more likely than widely anticipated, the journalist says.

However the unleashing of the one depends on several key factors, he assumes.

The conflict between Ankara and the second most powerful army of the world would be completely irrational without a direct support of Washington, the author reasons.

“In reality, the Russian armed forces have at least three to five times quantitative superiority above Turkey in every aspect,” the author says.
Ankara and NATO should be even more concerned not just about this qualitative superiority, but about a number of advanced weapons systems Russia has in possession, which the Turks will not be able to get in the long while, he adds.
However what is it that could give Turkey the hope?

The first option is an assertion that a “weakened" Russia does not have enough economic strength to power a large scale conflict, and that a “sharp decline in living standards” within the country could lead to the overthrow of the country’s authorities, the author suggests.

However, he goes on, one should keep in mind that the Russian economy and state budget are regulated in such a way that they accumulate significant reserves and provide saving options without major cuts to the country’s social policy and military investment.

Russia still has a noticeable trade surplus and its huge infrastructure projects — such as the 19-kilometer bridge to Crimea and the construction of the monumental stadiums for 2018 World Football Cup — show that its financial flexibility causes no doubts.
The country’s gold and foreign currency reserves “show no tendency of melting,” the author further suggests, which proves that “even if there was a sudden increase in military spending — which in recent years have already been enormous and estimates to hundreds of billions of dollars – it would be durable for the Russian economy in the medium term”.

The second option for Erdogan, the political analyst says, is the involvement of NATO in the conflict with Russia. This is also a very controversial point, he suggests, as in this case Moscow should be the first to attack the Turkish territory, which would be very difficult to cause given the recent death of a Russian pilot when the Russian bomber was downed by Turkey in the Syrian airspace.

In such a case it would be a backup of Turkey’s aggression rather than its defense.
Given all the above, Erdogan can only rely on the US foreign policy or what it would bet on: cooperation with “unreliable” Putin, which will lead to the prolonged ceasefire and de-escalation of the warmongering rhetoric of the American war hawks or on discrediting of Kremlin’s “good intentions” and further insistence on the soon ceasefire failure in fear of Moscow’s tight control over Syria?

“In case the latter option prevails, Erdogan will not miss the opportunity to catch his wrong train to Damascus,” the author finally states.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160305/1035818005/erdogan-damascus-wrong-train.html


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 05, 2016, 11:32:17 AM
Russia must help Kurds with weapons they are fighting against terrorist, and also they don't like Turks.
This way they will kill two flies.. Can we see creation of "country" for Kurds in near future?

"A rough estimate by the CIA Factbook has populations of 14.5 million in Turkey, 6 million in Iran, about 5 to 6 million in Iraq, and less than 2 million in Syria, which adds up to close to 28 million Kurds in Kurdistan."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_population

It is very much necessary to establish Kurdistan as a sovereign nation in the Middle-East. With the transformation of Turkey to an Islamist dictatorship, and Assad losing control over much of Syria, the last remaining strongholds of secularism in the region are threatened. The Kurds are fiercely secular, and they will provide buffer against the expanding Islamists.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: arbitrage on March 05, 2016, 11:43:39 AM
It is very much necessary to establish Kurdistan as a sovereign nation in the Middle-East. With the transformation of Turkey to an Islamist dictatorship, and Assad losing control over much of Syria, the last remaining strongholds of secularism in the region are threatened. The Kurds are fiercely secular, and they will provide buffer against the expanding Islamists.
They already survived genocide i don't know why the international community did not react appropriately with creating secure land for those poor people, as this was case for some other nations(religions) in this region.
I hope Russia will bring justice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Turkey


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Newmba on March 05, 2016, 04:17:18 PM
That country will sure break up, Assad only conquered the Shia territories, while all the Sunni region is controleld by ISIS. US, Russia etc., just actors that are playing according to scripts written decades ago

http://original.antiwar.com/dan_sanchez/2016/02/15/yinon-plan-b/
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This was part of a more general “Yinon Plan” that called for the “dissolution” of “the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula.” Each country was to be made to “fall apart along sectarian and ethnic lines,” after which each resulting fragment would be “hostile” to its “neighbors.”

According to Yinon, this balkanization should be realized by fomenting discord and war among the Arabs:

“Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon.”


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 05, 2016, 04:23:59 PM
Looks like the following article belongs here. :)

‘Efficient, accurate’: Russian air warfare in Syria praised in classified NATO report
https://www.rt.com/news/334642-russia-efficient-syria-nato/

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The Russian task force in Syria has demonstrated remarkable efficiency and professionalism, according to a German magazine citing confidential NATO analysis.

The limited Russian contingent operating in Syria is outperforming the more widespread groupings of the US-led anti-Islamic State coalition, according to Germany’s FOCUS media outlet who came by the classified NATO document, which was prepared by the alliance’s military experts.

The document points out that Russia deployed 40 warplanes, performing some 75 sorties a day (until the ceasefire came into effect on February 27). The airstrikes, usually delivered on several targets during each combat flight, are “accurate and efficient,” the analysis reportedly says.

The US-led counterterrorist coalition, deploying about 180 warplanes against Islamic State (IS, former ISIS/ISIL), strikes only about 20 targets a day. The paper says the number of Russian fighter jets on the ground is “clearly inferior in number” to NATO’s group, but the higher frequency of the Russian air raids makes them more effective.

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Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: magnific61 on March 05, 2016, 09:57:44 PM
I repeatly tell that Russia is not in Syria for fighting with terrorists. It is there for keeping Syrian dicta regyme survived and having a big portion from pie.
Russia has base in Syria. First Russian plan is to keep Asad on Syria as more as possible. If first plan doesn't work, it wants to be arbiter in new Syrian Governance.
In this situation, RAF hits dissident targets and ISIS is not against to Asad.
Story that Russia hits ISIS is a big, very big lie. Very big disenformation.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: bitsmichel on March 05, 2016, 10:56:07 PM
Story that Russia hits ISIS is a big, very big lie. Very big disenformation.
Are they not shooting at ISIS soldier?  ???


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: bryant.coleman on March 06, 2016, 05:04:00 AM
I repeatly tell that Russia is not in Syria for fighting with terrorists. It is there for keeping Syrian dicta regyme survived and having a big portion from pie.
Russia has base in Syria. First Russian plan is to keep Asad on Syria as more as possible. If first plan doesn't work, it wants to be arbiter in new Syrian Governance.
In this situation, RAF hits dissident targets and ISIS is not against to Asad.
Story that Russia hits ISIS is a big, very big lie. Very big disenformation.


Ever since the Russian air-strikes started, the regime forces have captured strategic areas such as Kuweiris Air Base and the Aleppo Thermal Power Plant from the ISIS. The Russian air strikes have ensured that the ISIS is still not able to over-run the regime forces in Deir ez Zorr. On the other hand, your country (Turkey) is supporting the ISIS by shelling the regime forces from across the border.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: arbitrage on March 06, 2016, 09:06:30 AM
I repeatly tell that Russia is not in Syria for fighting with terrorists. It is there for keeping Syrian dicta regyme survived and having a big portion from pie.
Russia has base in Syria. First Russian plan is to keep Asad on Syria as more as possible. If first plan doesn't work, it wants to be arbiter in new Syrian Governance.
In this situation, RAF hits dissident targets and ISIS is not against to Asad.
Story that Russia hits ISIS is a big, very big lie. Very big disenformation.

I don't understand why should Russia permitting US forces to build yet another base in Syria? We must stop the bullshit, US gave support to ISIS erlier when they had started attack against "Bashar Al Assad regime "
Now Turkey has problem with Russians because they bombarding oil convoys, and supporting Kurds, and they are "treat for safety" of Turkey..
You are just subjective.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: magnific61 on March 06, 2016, 12:27:44 PM
I repeatly tell that Russia is not in Syria for fighting with terrorists. It is there for keeping Syrian dicta regyme survived and having a big portion from pie.
Russia has base in Syria. First Russian plan is to keep Asad on Syria as more as possible. If first plan doesn't work, it wants to be arbiter in new Syrian Governance.
In this situation, RAF hits dissident targets and ISIS is not against to Asad.
Story that Russia hits ISIS is a big, very big lie. Very big disenformation.

I don't understand why should Russia permitting US forces to build yet another base in Syria? We must stop the bullshit, US gave support to ISIS erlier when they had started attack against "Bashar Al Assad regime "
Now Turkey has problem with Russians because they bombarding oil convoys, and supporting Kurds, and they are "treat for safety" of Turkey..
You are just subjective.

ISIS founded by USA for national profit. Because ISIS attacks US aimed targets for cheaper than US Army. ISIS is like Al Queda and founded after Al Queda lost popularity. Today Isis fights for Asad in Syria. Pyd also fights for Asad. And Russian Forces in Syria for protecting Asad's regyme. Therefore Russian air attacks to Isis is a big lie.
Problem between Turkey and Russia:
Turkey has declared new engagement rules after Turkish trainng plane was, dropped, in Mediterranean, Sea.  
Due, to new, engagement rules,  Turkey will drop any military, air vehicles in case, of border breake. RAF repeatly broke turkish border and apologized . Russia continuely tested Turkey's patience and finally TAF dropped Russian warplane on last border break.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: countryfree on March 06, 2016, 06:29:33 PM
Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
As Assad himself has said, 80 countries have conspired against Syria's sovereignty. Thanks to Iran, Russia, and the perseverance of the Syrian army, their plans have been destroyed. Are we not witnessing history? Is this not a new "international order"?

Putin continues to insist that Russia has no ambitions as a world power. It may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that Russian power has prevented the west from annihilating yet another Middle Eastern nation.

Russia has made history.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-help-syrian-army-has-doubled-its-territory-aleppo/ri13099

Russia has not changed history. It's quite the contrary, Russia's doing all it can to bring things back the way they were and stop history. But things must change. If we want peace in the Middle East, we need new border lines for Syria and Irak and the creation of a Kurdish state. There was a civil war in Syria before IS was created, so destroying IS is only one part of a solution, and restoring the Syria of 6 years ago is no solution at all.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Sithara007 on March 06, 2016, 06:40:21 PM
May be in another 5 months they will be able to eradicate the ISIS completely. But the worrying aspect is that although the ISIS is on the wane in Syria and Iraq, they are expanding in the other regions. They have captured new territories in Yemen, Libya, Afghanistan, and Nigeria. They have established themselves in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Somalia, Pakistan, and many other countries.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: galdur on March 06, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
As Assad himself has said, 80 countries have conspired against Syria's sovereignty. Thanks to Iran, Russia, and the perseverance of the Syrian army, their plans have been destroyed. Are we not witnessing history? Is this not a new "international order"?

Putin continues to insist that Russia has no ambitions as a world power. It may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that Russian power has prevented the west from annihilating yet another Middle Eastern nation.

Russia has made history.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-help-syrian-army-has-doubled-its-territory-aleppo/ri13099

Russia has not changed history. It's quite the contrary, Russia's doing all it can to bring things back the way they were and stop history. But things must change. If we want peace in the Middle East, we need new border lines for Syria and Irak and the creation of a Kurdish state. There was a civil war in Syria before IS was created, so destroying IS is only one part of a solution, and restoring the Syria of 6 years ago is no solution at all.

They´ve made history in that they´ve achieved more in five months than useless U.S./NATO military has in 13 years in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen (the last being screwed up by the boil on the ass of the usual bunglers).


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: magnific61 on March 06, 2016, 06:41:13 PM
Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
As Assad himself has said, 80 countries have conspired against Syria's sovereignty. Thanks to Iran, Russia, and the perseverance of the Syrian army, their plans have been destroyed. Are we not witnessing history? Is this not a new "international order"?

Putin continues to insist that Russia has no ambitions as a world power. It may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that Russian power has prevented the west from annihilating yet another Middle Eastern nation.

Russia has made history.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-help-syrian-army-has-doubled-its-territory-aleppo/ri13099

Russia has not changed history. It's quite the contrary, Russia's doing all it can to bring things back the way they were and stop history. But things must change. If we want peace in the Middle East, we need new border lines for Syria and Irak and the creation of a Kurdish state. There was a civil war in Syria before IS was created, so destroying IS is only one part of a solution, and restoring the Syria of 6 years ago is no solution at all.

Iran and Russia immediately should take their hands from Syria and firstable, ISIS should been demolished. By supporting dissident forces, Asad regyme should been destroyed. After central Asad regyme collapses, should make an election with participation of all groups in Syria.
But it is impossible in present situation. Neighter Iran and Russia give up their profit. Both there are western world's expections on that civil war. Every action is a part of game


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: tvbcof on March 06, 2016, 06:44:38 PM

Russia has not changed history. It's quite the contrary, Russia's doing all it can to bring things back the way they were and stop history. But things must change. If we want peace in the Middle East, we need new border lines for Syria and Irak and the creation of a Kurdish state. ...

Seems to me like there is plenty of room in Turkey for the Kurdish state.  No need to disrupt Iran, Iraq, or Syria.

Loosing Turkey as a NATO member in the process of carving it up would be a great benefit as well.  I would rate Turkey's membership in NATO as one of the biggest threat to humanity at this time.



Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: galdur on March 06, 2016, 06:49:09 PM
Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
As Assad himself has said, 80 countries have conspired against Syria's sovereignty. Thanks to Iran, Russia, and the perseverance of the Syrian army, their plans have been destroyed. Are we not witnessing history? Is this not a new "international order"?

Putin continues to insist that Russia has no ambitions as a world power. It may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that Russian power has prevented the west from annihilating yet another Middle Eastern nation.

Russia has made history.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-help-syrian-army-has-doubled-its-territory-aleppo/ri13099

Russia has not changed history. It's quite the contrary, Russia's doing all it can to bring things back the way they were and stop history. But things must change. If we want peace in the Middle East, we need new border lines for Syria and Irak and the creation of a Kurdish state. There was a civil war in Syria before IS was created, so destroying IS is only one part of a solution, and restoring the Syria of 6 years ago is no solution at all.

Iran and Russia immediately should take their hands from Syria and firstable, ISIS should been demolished. By supporting dissident forces, Asad regyme should been destroyed. After central Asad regyme collapses, should make an election with participation of all groups in Syria.
But it is impossible in present situation. Neighter Iran and Russia give up their profit. Both there are western world's expections on that civil war. Every action is a part of game

Yeah, those who have been proven totally useless time and time again actually much worse than useless should be allowed to repeat their clusterfucks  once again in Syria. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya absolutely more of the same.  ;D


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: arbitrage on March 07, 2016, 09:18:58 AM
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Asad regyme should been destroyed. After central Asad regyme collapses, should make an election with participation of all groups in Syria.

Ok tell what good are done in Libya after they brutally slaughtered its President!?
Do you know how Libya were good place for living before US intervention?
Now they have civil war and rising radical Muslims (womb for terrorists)..
Same will be if they succeed to remove Bashar.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: countryfree on March 07, 2016, 10:50:36 PM
Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
As Assad himself has said, 80 countries have conspired against Syria's sovereignty. Thanks to Iran, Russia, and the perseverance of the Syrian army, their plans have been destroyed. Are we not witnessing history? Is this not a new "international order"?

Putin continues to insist that Russia has no ambitions as a world power. It may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that Russian power has prevented the west from annihilating yet another Middle Eastern nation.

Russia has made history.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-help-syrian-army-has-doubled-its-territory-aleppo/ri13099

Russia has not changed history. It's quite the contrary, Russia's doing all it can to bring things back the way they were and stop history. But things must change. If we want peace in the Middle East, we need new border lines for Syria and Irak and the creation of a Kurdish state. There was a civil war in Syria before IS was created, so destroying IS is only one part of a solution, and restoring the Syria of 6 years ago is no solution at all.

They´ve made history in that they´ve achieved more in five months than useless U.S./NATO military has in 13 years in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen (the last being screwed up by the boil on the ass of the usual bunglers).

Yes, you may say that. They've achieved more, but what they've achieved was what nobody wanted. Russia is restoring the old Syrian state with its fascist president and fantasy-drawn borderlines. Who's happy with that besides the Assad family?

I'm waiting for what's coming next, the redrawing of all borders between Turkey, Syria and Irak, with the long overdue creation of a Kurdish state.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: a7mos on March 07, 2016, 11:06:43 PM
I do not think that the Russian airstrikes was a good thing for Syrian innocent civilian people. they were just helping their slave Bashar  the dictator in order to be able to kill more people and destroy more cities. and more people fled their home to the Turkish borders because of these airstrikes
So what type of history they have made ?


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: magnific61 on March 07, 2016, 11:12:53 PM
I do not think that the Russian airstrikes was a good thing for Syrian innocent civilian people. they were just helping their slave Bashar  the dictator in order to be able to kill more people and destroy more cities. and more people fled their home to the Turkish borders because of these airstrikes
So what type of history they have made ?
I am absolutly sure that Russia makes history in Syria!
Next generation will read Russia as a big supporter of, persecution and murderer of civilians in history books.
What can be else?


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 07, 2016, 11:32:21 PM
Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
As Assad himself has said, 80 countries have conspired against Syria's sovereignty. Thanks to Iran, Russia, and the perseverance of the Syrian army, their plans have been destroyed. Are we not witnessing history? Is this not a new "international order"?

Putin continues to insist that Russia has no ambitions as a world power. It may be true. But it doesn't change the fact that Russian power has prevented the west from annihilating yet another Middle Eastern nation.

Russia has made history.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russias-help-syrian-army-has-doubled-its-territory-aleppo/ri13099

Russia has not changed history. It's quite the contrary, Russia's doing all it can to bring things back the way they were and stop history. But things must change. If we want peace in the Middle East, we need new border lines for Syria and Irak and the creation of a Kurdish state. There was a civil war in Syria before IS was created, so destroying IS is only one part of a solution, and restoring the Syria of 6 years ago is no solution at all.

They´ve made history in that they´ve achieved more in five months than useless U.S./NATO military has in 13 years in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen (the last being screwed up by the boil on the ass of the usual bunglers).

Yes, you may say that. They've achieved more, but what they've achieved was what nobody wanted. Russia is restoring the old Syrian state with its fascist president and fantasy-drawn borderlines. Who's happy with that besides the Assad family?

I'm waiting for what's coming next, the redrawing of all borders between Turkey, Syria and Irak, with the long overdue creation of a Kurdish state.


"Fascist" president, with whom the country had the best healthcare and education system in the region, while people of various religions lived peacefully side-by-side. You seem to be getting your perception of Assad from the Western MSM...

Btw, it were the Brits, who drew the current borders, violating some of the treaties.

And yes, Kurdish state is long overdue, and Assad basically agreed to Federalisation of the Kurdish province - a step in the right direction.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: criptix on March 08, 2016, 12:32:19 PM
So why is more then half of syria on the run?
Because daesh is evil and assad+russia are good?

Please explain ::)


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Nemo1024 on March 08, 2016, 01:01:45 PM
So why is more then half of syria on the run?
Because daesh is evil and assad+russia are good?

Please explain ::)

Yes. Half of the Syria, that is under US-financed and armed Daesh is on the run. But the "refugees" in EU are only about 1/4 Syrians - the rest are from the other countries, like Iraq and Libya, and a large portion of them are injected militants - all systematically organised through Turkey.

criptix, I highly doubt that you are weak of mind and memory so as not to remember the chronology of the event of the last year. Let me remind: Russia started assisting the Syrian army in the autumn of 2015. The massive floodgate of refugees was opened by Turkey in the spring of 2015. Those refugees had been accumulating in Turkey over several years while US-backed jihadists were destroying Syria.

So my only conclusion is that your insinuation is premeditated and relates to the ongoing stage of demonisation of Russia - the Western MSM propaganda campaign that Russia is responsible for the refugees coming to Europe. By the way, this propaganda was started in the Finnish press, when they started accusing Russia of letting 1000 refugees into Finland, while during the same period 90000 cam from Sweden, which is, apparently, perfectly ok.



This promises to be an enlightening read. Even the blurb is informative:

*NEW*: The Dirty War on Syria: Washington, Regime Change and Resistance (PDF)
https://store.globalresearch.ca/store/the-dirty-war-on-syria-washington-regime-change-and-resistance-pdf/

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The Dirty War on Syria has relied on a level of mass disinformation not seen in living memory. In seeking ‘regime change’ the big powers sought to hide their hand, using proxy armies of ‘Islamists’, demonising the Syrian Government and constantly accusing it of atrocities. In this way Syrian President Bashar al Assad, a mild-mannered eye doctor, became the new evil in the world.

The popular myths of this dirty war – that it is a ‘civil war’, a ‘popular revolt’ or a sectarian conflict – hide a murderous spree of ‘regime change’ across the region. The attack on Syria was a necessary consequence of Washington’s ambition, stated openly in 2006, to create a ‘New Middle East’. After the destruction of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, Syria was next in line.

Five years into this war the evidence is quite clear and must be set out in detail. The terrible massacres were mostly committed by the western backed jihadists, then blamed on the Syrian Army. The western media and many western NGOs parroted the official line. Their sources were almost invariably those allied to the ‘jihadists’. Contrary to the myth that the big powers now have their own ‘war on terror’, those same powers have backed every single anti-government armed group in Syria, ‘terrorists’ in any other context, adding thousands of ‘jihadis’ from dozens of countries.

Yet in Syria this dirty war has confronted a disciplined national army which did not disintegrate along sectarian lines. Despite terrible destruction and loss of life, Syria has survived, deepening its alliance with Russia, Iran, the Lebanese Resistance, the secular Palestinians and, more recently, with Iraq. The tide has turned against Washington, and that will have implications beyond Syria.

As western peoples we have been particularly deceived by this dirty war, reverting to our worst traditions of intervention, racial prejudice and poor reflection on our own histories. This book tries to tell its story while rescuing some of the better western traditions: the use of reason, ethical principle and the search for independent evidence.

Like I said, Syria, being a secular tolerant state, had its strength in this.


Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: tvbcof on March 08, 2016, 06:12:43 PM
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This promises to be an enlightening read. Even the blurb is informative:

*NEW*: The Dirty War on Syria: Washington, Regime Change and Resistance (PDF)
https://store.globalresearch.ca/store/the-dirty-war-on-syria-washington-regime-change-and-resistance-pdf/

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The Dirty War on Syria has relied on a level of mass disinformation not seen in living memory. In seeking ‘regime change’ the big powers sought to hide their hand, using proxy armies of ‘Islamists’, demonising the Syrian Government and constantly accusing it of atrocities. In this way Syrian President Bashar al Assad, a mild-mannered eye doctor, became the new evil in the world.
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I remember thinking that Hafez al Assad was pretty impressive in facing the challenges as well as he did.  Bashar didn't even want the job and only took it because his brother died.  When he took over I knew that his challenges would exceed even those of his father and I thought to myself on day one of his presidency that he was going to be challenged even more than his father and it would be unlikely that he, or anyone else, would be up to the task.  I suspect that he was lucky to have his adversaries underestimate him, but holding out and holding Syria together until this day is a testiment to his capabilities on their own merit as well.

The point you make about the strength afforded by organizing in a secular manner is a good one.  That takes one huge opportunity to 'divide and concur' away from the adversary.  It is a thing that I hope will be recognized by 'the masses' as we watch the elite try to guide us forward.  Witness their population mixing strategies as expressed by various 'immigration' policies as one example.



Title: Re: Five Months in Syria: Russia Has Made History
Post by: Nemo1024 on April 25, 2016, 01:47:29 PM
Inspiring Story! French couple decorates ‘Russian Rambo’ hero of Syria op with family’s WWII medals
https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/inspiring-story-french-couple-decorates-russian-rambo-hero-of-syria-op-with-familys-wwii-medals/

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This is a very touching story of Lieutenant Alexander Prokhorenko and his heroic death in Syria. Facing imminent capture, he called the Russian fire upon his own hidden position after being surrounded by ISIS jihadists, thus taking many islamists with him to the grave. He was posthumously awarded the Gold Star of the Hero of Russia. Lieutenant Prokhorenko has left behind his pregnant wife.

Incidentally, Prokhorenko is a typical Ukrainian name. You’ve probably heard me say before that there are millions of Ukrainians living in Russia, since essentially ‘Ukrainians’ are, simply put, Southern Russians, and most of the normal ones don’t consider themselves separate from the Great Russians in any way.

With great dismay, I often talk on this blog about the embarrassment that today’s Kiev junta-ruled Ukraine has turned itself into. This young man proves that there are good Ukrainians left in the world.

But the story of the Russian hero doesn’t end there. A French couple, in protest against the French media and government’s silence about Prokhorenko’s act of heroism and Russia’s role in Syria, decided to donate their cherished WWII medals to his family.

I’ve said that today’s Ukraine is an embarrassment. However, in truth, today’s collective West’s behavior and manipulation is an even bigger embarrassment, especially that of the US and EU.

But while the West is silent, trying to ignore facts and twist the truth to suit its agenda, ordinary people do speak up. It’s people’s diplomacy at work: Prokhorenko family has been getting letters and donations from all over, through Russian embassies and organizations. These tokens of support won’t replace their beloved husband and son, but they do confirm the family isn’t alone, as many grieve with them.

Touching video with details of Lieutenant Prokhorenko’s Syria act and the French couple’s gift

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https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/04/24/inspiring-story-french-couple-decorates-russian-rambo-hero-of-syria-op-with-familys-wwii-medals/