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Title: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Spai3N on March 03, 2016, 05:32:05 PM
https://i.imgur.com/j1rFwz0.png - My balance like a few mins ago



https://i.imgur.com/FGUMAJT.png - I go on blockchain now I see I randomly lost 0.1


Can someone explain to me how?


UPDATE:

The sender was secondstrade and I think he is doing an exit scam and I have good proof and reason to believe so


Please read my post


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg14085543#msg14085543



There was no transactions made nothing was sent out of my wallet. I only recieved bitcoin I have a ton of unconfirmed. I think its secondtrade pulling an exit scam..


My bitcoin sent to his gambling site is confirmed however his payouts are not and sent with low ass fees which are getting dropped so he has my bitcoin


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: unamis76 on March 03, 2016, 05:33:20 PM
You either sent that transaction, or someone sent it for you. Change your password (and secure your coins better than on an online wallet).


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: --Encrypted-- on March 03, 2016, 05:34:37 PM
probably one of the incoming unconfirmed txes got dropped from the mempool. the btc will return to the sender's wallet if that happens.
on second though. dumb me read the screenshot upside down. yeah someone might have send that for you.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: pedrog on March 03, 2016, 05:35:58 PM
probably one of the incoming unconfirmed txes got dropped from the mempool. the btc will return to the sender's wallet if that happens.

Yap, this^

You need to check with sender, also some of those still unconfirmed may be discarded.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Spai3N on March 03, 2016, 05:38:21 PM
Ok but he isnt being helpful. The sender was secondstrade and I think he is doing an exit scam and I have good proof and reason to believe so


Please read my post


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg14085543#msg14085543


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: franky1 on March 03, 2016, 05:45:25 PM
i really do hope you didnt invest $5000 into the binary options scams. thinking they would give you your money back.

the reason its called binary options is that you can win or lose.. there is no inbetween.. its binary 1 or 0..

so binary options scams get away with it by letting people lose and say tough luck.
the only winners are usually the paid shills who are known to the community and who can praise it (for a price).

stay away from HYIP's, MLM's, MMM, pyramids, etc.

never expect positive customer service and guaranteed returns for things known to be scams


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: rienelber on March 03, 2016, 05:50:39 PM
This is very serious, someone got access to your account.

If I were you I would move everthing to another wallet immediately.

even if an online wallet, anything will be safer than a compromised wallet.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Spai3N on March 03, 2016, 05:52:03 PM
There was no transactions made nothing was sent out of my wallet. I only recieved bitcoin I have a ton of unconfirmed. I think its secondtrade pulling an exit scam..


My bitcoin sent to his gambling site is confirmed however his payouts are not and sent with low ass fees which got dropped and he has my bitcoin


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: sase007 on March 03, 2016, 05:57:04 PM
https://i.imgur.com/j1rFwz0.png - My balance like a few mins ago



https://i.imgur.com/FGUMAJT.png - I go on blockchain now I see I randomly lost 0.1


Can someone explain to me how?


UPDATE:

The sender was secondstrade and I think he is doing an exit scam and I have good proof and reason to believe so


Please read my post


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg14085543#msg14085543



There was no transactions made nothing was sent out of my wallet. I only recieved bitcoin I have a ton of unconfirmed. I think its secondtrade pulling an exit scam..


My bitcoin sent to his gambling site is confirmed however his payouts are not and sent with low ass fees which are getting dropped so he has my bitcoin

If $5000 is a lot to you (DON'T STORE IT ONLINE)!
I suggest you at least move that to a wallet on your hard drive or a paper wallet.
EVEN, use a company like coinbase to store your coins in their vault or enable 2FA on your current wallet.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Dissonance on March 03, 2016, 06:08:17 PM
Don't ever store a significant amount of btc in an online wallet unless you have 2FA enabled. Most good ones offer that including blockchain.info (recently added)


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Spai3N on March 03, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
My bitcoin keeps going down.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: franky1 on March 03, 2016, 07:51:02 PM
My bitcoin keeps going down.

the guy is sending you fake transactions.

transactions that will never confirm.

you funds are not going down. you never had it in the first place

its like handing someone $5000 of real bank notes and each hour he hands you bake a counterfeit $20 bill,

after 48 hours the ink evaporates and you realise that bill is fake.
so stop imagining the rest are real bills.

the easiest way to find out is to look at the origin addresses the funds have come from and check if they are confirming. to find out which ones "might" confirm for you.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: BTcoint on March 03, 2016, 07:51:13 PM
accept the advices above and move your coins to paper wallet or off-line wallet immediately
thanks


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: franky1 on March 03, 2016, 08:02:04 PM
remember you can only move the funds that have confirmed so dont assume you can move the entire $5000 thinking it will protect it.

because thats just moving evaporating ink bank notes from your left pocket to your right pocket. it wont stop it evaporating.

i do not think your blockchain.info account got hacked i just think that the secondstrade website is sending out transactions that dont confirm, so assume you never received the funds unless u see a confirm


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Windpower on March 03, 2016, 08:16:27 PM
There was no transactions made nothing was sent out of my wallet. I only recieved bitcoin I have a ton of unconfirmed. I think its secondtrade pulling an exit scam..


My bitcoin sent to his gambling site is confirmed however his payouts are not and sent with low ass fees which got dropped and he has my bitcoin
You probably got scanned then. For the real topic though, you can't just lose 0.1 BTC, you must have sent it yourself.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: sase007 on March 03, 2016, 08:18:10 PM
There was no transactions made nothing was sent out of my wallet. I only recieved bitcoin I have a ton of unconfirmed. I think its secondtrade pulling an exit scam..


My bitcoin sent to his gambling site is confirmed however his payouts are not and sent with low ass fees which got dropped and he has my bitcoin
You probably got scanned then. For the real topic though, you can't just lose 0.1 BTC, you must have sent it yourself.

It could have been hacked?

I suggest using 2FA. I like Google Auth (it even works when the device is offline!)


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Spai3N on March 03, 2016, 08:21:58 PM
Yup Im screwed this secondtrades guy isnt doing anything


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: venan on March 03, 2016, 08:41:16 PM
i dont understand what you want from secondtrade? you, or someone who has access  to your account are sending these bitcoins, i dont understand how someone can steel bitcoins, if he knows only your address.


i think there is only two variant:

1. its all fake and you are kidding on us and trying to scam secondtrade

2. someone has access on you account and playing on binary options on secondtrade


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Wapinter on March 03, 2016, 09:05:57 PM
i dont understand what you want from secondtrade? you, or someone who has access  to your account are sending these bitcoins, i dont understand how someone can steel bitcoins, if he knows only your address.


i think there is only two variant:

1. its all fake and you are kidding on us and trying to scam secondtrade

2. someone has access on you account and playing on binary options on secondtrade
Thats right.You must immediately change your password or move your coins to some other wallet for some time.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: RodeoX on March 03, 2016, 09:11:04 PM
Unless you have complete and sole access to your private keys then you actually do not own any bitcoins. I'm not sure, but that site may use a shared access system. If so i would strongly advise you to move them to a wallet under your control.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: aleandromagno on March 03, 2016, 09:41:42 PM
It looks like there is problem with one transaction. But it is too many questions and too many transactions to review them one by one in short time.
Wait for all confirmations and then everything should be clear.
Anyway remove all BTC from online wallet!



 


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: poptok1 on March 03, 2016, 10:09:59 PM
You can say "be be" to those coins Man.
Sorry to say but you got your self in to some serious scam.
Fake trasactions by the look of it. Why did you do that is beyond me.
Acumulate them little by little, theres no free lunch so stay away from
risky deals.
Like others said, DONT keep your coins in wallet's that are online only.
Hdd and daily backup's will give you more security than you need.
Make your self a pendrive with some live linux distro, like puppy linux
2GB pen will suffice, you can encrypt it, make it invisible etc...


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Raimonn on March 03, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
Look on your seconstrade account, if transaction failed it has to return to the senders account. I don't know if you can choose the fee on this site, if you can try it with higher fee, today we have a lot of pending transactions and miners acept the ones with higher fee.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: KiwiParty on March 04, 2016, 12:05:22 AM
https://i.imgur.com/j1rFwz0.png - My balance like a few mins ago



https://i.imgur.com/FGUMAJT.png - I go on blockchain now I see I randomly lost 0.1


Can someone explain to me how?


UPDATE:

The sender was secondstrade and I think he is doing an exit scam and I have good proof and reason to believe so


Please read my post


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=813554.msg14085543#msg14085543



There was no transactions made nothing was sent out of my wallet. I only recieved bitcoin I have a ton of unconfirmed. I think its secondtrade pulling an exit scam..


My bitcoin sent to his gambling site is confirmed however his payouts are not and sent with low ass fees which are getting dropped so he has my bitcoin

The second picture shows a transaction made at the second position of the first entry.
There is another one somewhat more downwards. They have no Secondstrade tag next to it.
Look closer at them. You only loose BTC when you send, the sender pays the transaction fees, not the one to recieve them.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: setupbounds on March 04, 2016, 12:26:38 AM
Just change your password just to be safe .


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: vero on March 04, 2016, 01:55:31 AM
you need moved your all balance and use new online wallet but you must activate 2FA for more secure and for balance already gone just let it go.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: aleandromagno on March 04, 2016, 04:00:57 AM
i think one transaction is failed,due too low transaction fee so the btc come back to the sender,you can contact secondtrade support and ask them to check your withdrawal transaction, they'll probably fix it and resend the exact amount to your wallet

This is what I also suspect. That's why I suggested to wait until come all confirmations - then we can see it more clearly.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: zerowing on March 04, 2016, 04:31:07 AM
Yeah, that's happened to me before, the transaction failed, the link evaporated next day, it took 4 days to get the BTC.
I think the transaction is failed due to too low transaction fee so the btc come back to the sender, and the sender resent.

day one: transaction failed
day two: the link evaporated
day three: the link reappeared but the transactions will never confirm
day four: I finally received the btc

I didn't take the matter up with secondstrade because I bet a very small amount.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: pooya87 on March 04, 2016, 05:10:28 AM
nothing strange is going on here.
your bitcoin balance is not 12.71BTC i don't see the rest of the transactions but i assume it must be around 10BTC
it is simply because an unconfirmed transaction is not your bitcoin yet, it can get double spent or drop out of memepool if it takes too long.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: aleandromagno on March 04, 2016, 05:54:04 AM
nothing strange is going on here.
your bitcoin balance is not 12.71BTC i don't see the rest of the transactions but i assume it must be around 10BTC
it is simply because an unconfirmed transaction is not your bitcoin yet, it can get double spent or drop out of memepool if it takes too long.

Strange is that you see "rest of transactions" amount 10BTC  ::) As i suspect there is problem with one transaction ~0.11BTC and this amount was missing!


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: Kakmakr on March 04, 2016, 05:56:03 AM
This is very serious, someone got access to your account.

If I were you I would move everthing to another wallet immediately.

even if an online wallet, anything will be safer than a compromised wallet.


Did you even read the thread or did you just read the OP's post and jumped in to say something to bump your signature earnings? His wallet is not compromised, it is simply Secondtrade being up to no good again, sending payouts to gamblers with very little fees, knowing that these transactions will not be confirmed. I doubt if this is a exit strategy, it could possibly be due to the latest stress test or just a strategy for them to keep the payouts and still look like they are in full operation. If you feel this is a scam, put something here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0 and it can be debated.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: amaclin on March 04, 2016, 06:46:53 AM
blockchain.info does not keep unconfirmed transactions for a long time.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: aleandromagno on March 04, 2016, 07:26:06 AM
blockchain.info does not keep unconfirmed transactions for a long time.


As i know unconfirmed transaction we can see up to 24 hours, but i'm not sure if have something with that their wallet. I think that an operation can completely disappear when wallet is turned off for more than 24 hours.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: btcxyzzz on March 04, 2016, 07:37:32 AM
Using Windows? It's very insecure operating system. Keyloggers and trojans are most common and dangerous threats, that stuff merely exists on operating system like Linux is. And that's just one of the Linux advantages over Windows.


Title: Re: How am I losing bitcoin? Please see screenshots
Post by: sky0910 on March 04, 2016, 08:36:39 AM
how frequent the value of btc changes?