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What project are you talking about and what member is sporting the flag? 

this project https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1045373.0
this user https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=434490

dont see why you guys take it serious, if you avoid it it will go away, do you guys think he is gonna change it now with all this attention?

It's just a flag. Ignore it. He probably only has it because it will get a rise out of people and you're giving it to him. Your Point is Invalid above has a flag that is responsible for more death and slavery than Isis will ever achieve but should he or the forum remove it if someone complains or is offended by it? No.

I saw the link and it's now locked--did the project die because of this or what?  And sorry I'm not buying the comparison of isis and Britain.  And that argument carries little weight on the English speaking section of this forum.

Just neg'd the guy out of principle.

It's called freedom of speech and expression, the moderators aren't going to just outright ban someone because they're putting a fucking flag on their avatar.

I can see the point of not trusting someone belonging to ISIS, but the trust feedback is really if you think they're going to scam.  There's a whole topic devoted to this that just started.  It's not really a place to spout ideology views.  I say this even though I probably agree with yours.

Guys just trolling and you give him more power by showing how emotionally charged he can get you.
Its best to just put him on ignore if it gets you fired up.

I'd last all my life, must be because I'm an Anarchist, I'm not so easily provoked by simple images and symbols.

I wouldn't waste my piss on this flag. Freedom of speech is one thing....Freedom to be a a BARBARIAN thug scumbag piece of low life shit, Camel Raping, inbred   is another thing.

Fuck that flag and everything it represents!

i didnt even knew that its a flag in the first place  ;D i dont understand why people are more sentimental ,why cant you live like humans  ;)

@ Lethn, the image you posted made me  cry months back, and i am really sad to see it again.

1. get ABP
2. right-click avatar -> adblock plus: block image...

was that so hard?

Also, regarding your flag analogy: Call me insensitive, but I would be okay with that forever (assuming it's not overtly annoying, but I would treat it as if it was any other flag). Unlike you, I believe in freedom of expression for all, not just for whom I agree with.

Now that's clearly trust abuse. The description for negative trust is "You were scammed or you strongly believe that this person is a scammer.". I doubt that any reasonable person would think someone with ISIS flag means they're a scammer.

What image? I didn't post that lol, it was him, anyway, you all have ignore features and block features on this forum, nothing stopping you from posting things you find offensive, I just think that censorship is the tool of people who would rather live in delusion and ignore reality.

US Military has killed orders higher more civilians than ISIS ever will. And yet you're using US currency. Additionally, the US is directly responsible for creating the problem of 'ISIS'. And to my knowledge, the extreme majority of terrorists are supplied their weaponry by US companies. I do not know what the ISIS flag looks like because I don't have the time or resources to get involved in politics and the horrible things that happen across the globe, but to me, the American flag is a symbol of the most vicious world superpower that the human race has ever seen, controlled by a corrupt turnkey totalitarian government that creates propaganda for neo-fascist causes. Just because something is pure evil doesn't mean you shouldn't tolerate it.

Just ignore him....

Why is there so much fuss over someone who has a flag as their avatar? Just let him do what he wants, why are you guys giving him negative trusts just for having a flag as his avatar? This is really fucked up.

The free speech (I suppose) in this case is that anyone can put the flag (as avatar) that he wants... not to cut off the heads of people.

Wana talk about the crimes done in the name of the great britian flag union jack[1]? Having the avatar of a flag is not the same as beheading people, which is not possible to do on this forum anyway, so whats your argument again?

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=554884

But that would mean being intelligent!

In Netherlands it's forbidden to use an ISIS flag in public. Maybe this rule should also count on this forum all support for terrorism should be banned.

let me know thoose ipbackswitchers pleasse  :o  ;)

Oh, yeah ....  I suppose   ;D !

You know who else beheads people in public? Saudi Arabia. How about we ban their flag as well?

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Just so you know, killing people isn't part of free speech. Nice strawman though.

You should read that again.
I've got a feeling that you can still find the ISIS flag on google images just fine in the Netherlands.
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you can even find it on a dutch website. http://www.metronieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/2016/01/isis-halveert-salarissen-vechters
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*facepalm*
That was directed at your remark that implied killing people is covered under freedom of speech.

And how does that have anything to do with whether he's a scammer or not? Do I need to remind you what the definition of a scammer is? People like you are turning the trust system into a upvote/downvote system.

@coins101,


At the end I can only say :


https://telegram.org/file/811140750/1/KwtOAxwo1SA/452620c767366798d3


Nothing personal, just an opinion.

Are you saying that if something is banned in a few countries, we should ban that on bitcointalk?
inb4 strawman

I agree, it sucks. Fuck him.. but I'm not sure I follow this:


How is Abou Talha involved in the coin? What's stopping ISIS from using the coin in the future, after all this is a crypto currency available worldwide? There's 171 pages so figured I would ask you first.

Didn't think it would be that easy to troll (?) someone into giving up on a project.

The site is being hosted in the US, so I'm assuming they're abiding by American laws.

I have a question for you though; is CBC.ca blocked in the Netherlands? They're often running stories with images or videos that include the ISIS flag. According to your logic, CBC.ca, or at least the CBC.ca stories on ISIS should be blocked when they're trying to be accessed on a Netherlands IP. Hint: Neither CBC.ca, or the ISIS articles on CBC are blocked on Netherlands IPs. I see no problems with this forum allowing images of ISIS flags, because I suspect if CBC is allowing anyone worldwide to see the ISIS flag, Bitcointalk won't get in any trouble for doing the same. ;)

I don't agree with having an ISIS flag as an avatar, but there's a great ignore feature on this forum so that you don't need to see that avatar, or any posts from that user anymore.

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All this cinema for a small picture.

I share the same sentiment. It's more than a "fucking Avatar", it's someone showing support for something so repulsive that the mere sight of that symbol scares people away. I'm not in crypto to gamble or speculate, I'm actively trying to use it for business. I'm educating business people on how to use it, what it can do for their business, etc.

We all agree that global adoption of crypto's depends on image for one. I've worked hard trying to dispel the criminal aspect of it, but having some idiot showcasing terror symbols gives me (and other people) not a chance in hell.

Yes, we all understand the "Ignore" feature, but someone who's not familiar with this forum and does some research and sees this, well, needless to say there is no way of explaining.

What's next? Swastikas again? Let me drop it on your thread every day. You won't be so dismissive then.

PS: my understanding is that the guy who left effectively lost business when his partners and clients saw this terrorist supporter. Nobody can ever rationalize that, free speech? Next to Hitler and the Nazi's!

Alright, while we are at it, lets ban bitcoin. Its illegal in several countries as well.

Wait... also ponzi schemes are illegal all over the world.. but here it's not a problem to open a thread in the investor-based games board.


What do you think about it?

I think you should find another reason , because the illegal thing doesn't work.

It seems you completed ignored my post except for the first line, so I'll pose my question to you once again:

Do you really want this board to be known as terrorist sympathizers?

The argument is not legal vs illegal, the argument is about us (as a group) working on public perception about something we believe in (crypto). Self regulation will go a long way to improve global adoption and to get there we need to win public opinion. Allowing criminals and terrorists in our midst will not advance that perception in any way. Why even consider allowing it?

I never mentioned that at all in my post. I was discussing coins101's idea that since the ISIS flag is illegal in a few countries, then it should be blocked when accessing Bitcointalk from these few countries as well. I was trying to explain to him that that's not how things work on the internet.

I understand and I'm trying to appeal to common sense from everyone on this board. This affects all of us and the crypto we're trying to promote. My argument is not legal vs illegal, I'm talking about how we are being perceived when we allow these kind of statements (terror support). No matter how you slice it, someone who displays that symbol is a supporter and whoever allows that display is a sympathizer. No way around it. All I'm asking is that we consider what we allow ourselves to be associated with. That's all.

I agree with the fact that it probably isn't beneficial when trying to appeal to newcomers to the site. However, Bitcointalk (seems to) really push for freedom of speech, and I suppose this avatar would fall under that.

Very sad to hear. I guess I'm in the wrong place with the wrong people. There is no way anybody can rationalize allowing display of this symbol without being considered terror sympathizers.

some one has already suggest to send the ip of this user to local police in "brussels"?
maybe it's a good action!

Look at how minerpage is beautiful. Alexa from California.

https://www.google.be/search?q=minerpage+alexa+twitter&biw=1600&bih=888&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDiPGb0arLAhVDfhoKHVJ_BUAQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1.05#imgrc=ZRQNflC8To13WM%3A

I'd say one out of two bitcoin users is a criminal.  And so what.  I don't like ISIS but I don't care much if some random internet user has their flag as their avatar. 

If you start to give up freedom for security the terrorists have already won. Baning the symbol will change nothing, but sweep it under the rug.

We'll see how you feel when one shows up in your thread every day and using your coin and scaring your clients and supporters away!

Does anyone have a swastika as their avatar here?

I'm for freedom of speech and Im not a "terror sympathizer".  Maybe you are on the wrong forum. 

Just wondering, how many clients/supporters do you think he's "scaring' away?

Impossible to count them. ;D

I havent seen an avatar, but there are at least a couple of fascists.

Dont know if it was suggested before: close your topic start a new one self moderated and delete all his posts in there. Redirect all people to the new one.

or just make a local rule on the current thread. some altcoin thread starters have done this before.

local thread rule.



I've seen someone making a thread rule midway here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817937.msg10708194#msg10708194) though. but the OP of that thread ended up making a self-moderated thread anyway.

this will sound stupid because I brought it up. but go with self-moderated thread if you don't want to rely on the mods.

You would still need to create a new topic as local rules cant be applied retroactively.

Also, OP stated earlier in the topic that self-moderated topics are not an option for him, so the best choice is probably local rule. As long as the rule isn't vague and is easily decidable, moderators will enforce it.

The moderators are seriously concerned about protecting pedophiles and murders? They should be strung up with the rest of the ISIS loving garbage.

It should be basic common sense that an image objectively promoting hate and cruelty should be banned from a forum dedicated to anything other than hate and cruelty. 

Really deplorable inaction here mods.  Through this inaction you are aligning yourself with this criminality and undoing the work countless individuals have undertaken to eliminate the negative stereotypes of cryptocurrency. 

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not doing anything about ISIS =/= promoting ISIS

This is a private website that's allowing ISIS propaganda. What the hell else do you call it?

A private website that allows the spread of information to spread freely, regardless of the accuracy and/or content of such information.

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A good thing about allowing ISIS propaganda is that when an idiot tries to spread ISIS propaganda publicly, there will be a large number of sig spammers more then willing to tell such person what an idiot they are and will debunk the claims that such idiot tries to make

 ::)  ::) ::) by not removing the isis flag you are essentially supporting isis propaganda and in a broader sense find the promotion of hate speech, human right abuses, and ethnic cleansing perfectly acceptable on a forum dedicated to crypocurrency. 

I can't believe you guys, obsessing over some 16 year old's shitty attempt at 'rebellion'. Just ignore him, and let him feel the embarrassment ten years from now looking back.

Or we can support him, maybe that'll get him to fly over to Turkistan and see just how great his welcoming party will be :)

So do a lot of other people. What are you suggesting?

Forum policy.

It prevents arbitrary changes of local rules, esp those created in hindsight.

Whatever happened to all those pro ISIS twitter accounts? I realize they where deleted but was that as far as it went. Do they go knock on doors if the person was from the states for a interview or just let i go! Was thinking it would just take one person to report this account for there to be a issue for him, or maybe I am wrong. Be interesting to find out if it was seen as a recruiting tool.

...removes pictures of mothers feeding their children[1]. Is that really the homepage you want to align your morals compas at?

[1] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11195373/Facebook-removes-mothers-breastfeeding-photo.html

Looks like I'm the only cunt around here.

lol he ninja deleted that post.