Allowing ISIS Flags on accounts kinda fucking sucks

[onlinedragon]

In Netherlands it's forbidden to use an ISIS flag in public. Maybe this rule should also count on this forum all support for terrorism should be banned.

[BitcoinjunkieZ]

let me know thoose ipbackswitchers pleasse   

[redsn0w]

Just ignore him....

But that would mean being intelligent!

Oh, yeah ....  I suppose    !

[grue]

Isis cut off the heads of Innocent people to get media attention. 

You know who else beheads people in public? Saudi Arabia. How about we ban their flag as well?

But, hey, thats benefit of free speech.  And I will  defend with my last breath their rights to kill people for free publicity.

Just so you know, killing people isn't part of free speech. Nice strawman though.

[grue]

I've been told that displaying the ISIS flag is illegal in the Netherlands. So this forum is breaking the law unless IPs from there are blocked from accessing the forum. How many other countries are the same?

You should read that again.

In Netherlands it's forbidden to use an ISIS flag in public.

I've got a feeling that you can still find the ISIS flag on google images just fine in the Netherlands.
edit:
you can even find it on a dutch website. http://www.metronieuws.nl/nieuws/buitenland/2016/01/isis-halveert-salarissen-vechters
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Saudi Arabia is your own strawman.

*facepalm*
That was directed at your remark that implied killing people is covered under freedom of speech.

My point stands. Anyone dealing with him might end up being accused of terrorist financing if it turns out he is doing just that. Neg trust is valid. Deal with caution.

And how does that have anything to do with whether he's a scammer or not? Do I need to remind you what the definition of a scammer is? People like you are turning the trust system into a upvote/downvote system.

[redsn0w]

@coins101,


At the end I can only say :





Nothing personal, just an opinion.

[grue]

You put up an argument that saudia Arabia is doing something similar to ISIS, so you could tear down an unrelated point. That's your strawman.

America kills people that break certain laws. So your arguement is about how governments execute people.  That is nothing to do with a group of terrorist who have no country or government. It is irrelevant to my point.

I would still like a view on why allowing the avatar is OK given it breaks the law to do so in atleast three countries.

Are you saying that if something is banned in a few countries, we should ban that on bitcointalk?
inb4 strawman

[xetsr]

Not taking it personally.

Read the quoted text in the OP.  Face palm I can live with. Losing a core team member goes beyond sitting idly by. I tried the ignore button for months.

I agree, it sucks. Fuck him.. but I'm not sure I follow this:

i cannot for moral reasons be associated with a project where someone is for cruelty toward people of other
religions, against women, and stoneage punishments towards other people.

How is Abou Talha involved in the coin? What's stopping ISIS from using the coin in the future, after all this is a crypto currency available worldwide? There's 171 pages so figured I would ask you first.

Didn't think it would be that easy to troll (?) someone into giving up on a project.

[guitarplinker]

It is illegal to display the flag in a few countries. Fact.


Don't ask me for an opinion.  I want to know the official view on allowing this illegal content in the countries where it is illegal to display the ISIS flag.

I accept that where it is not illegal to display the flag I just have to take the butt hurt, if the mods have taken the view to allow it on the basis of free speech.

In addition, would you allow it if it was illegal to display the flag in America?

The site is being hosted in the US, so I'm assuming they're abiding by American laws.

I have a question for you though; is CBC.ca blocked in the Netherlands? They're often running stories with images or videos that include the ISIS flag. According to your logic, CBC.ca, or at least the CBC.ca stories on ISIS should be blocked when they're trying to be accessed on a Netherlands IP. Hint: Neither CBC.ca, or the ISIS articles on CBC are blocked on Netherlands IPs. I see no problems with this forum allowing images of ISIS flags, because I suspect if CBC is allowing anyone worldwide to see the ISIS flag, Bitcointalk won't get in any trouble for doing the same.

I don't agree with having an ISIS flag as an avatar, but there's a great ignore feature on this forum so that you don't need to see that avatar, or any posts from that user anymore.

[Abou Talha]

Just let him do what he wants, why are you guys giving him negative trusts just for having a flag as his avatar?

+1
All this cinema for a small picture.

[minerpage]

It's called freedom of speech and expression, the moderators aren't going to just outright ban someone because they're putting a fucking flag on their avatar.

I understand all that.

But we have to look at that 'fucking flag' every fucking day. And others looking into the thread probably wonder if its some sort of terrorist cell operating on BCT.

So don't give me the high and fucking mighty. If you're next door neighbor decided to put that flag up outside their front door and you saw it everyday and those walking past saw it, how long do you think you would last with your freedom of speech point?  A day; a week; a month; a year?

Yeah, thought so. It's easy to post and run. It's different when you have to put up with this fucking shit every day.

I share the same sentiment. It's more than a "fucking Avatar", it's someone showing support for something so repulsive that the mere sight of that symbol scares people away. I'm not in crypto to gamble or speculate, I'm actively trying to use it for business. I'm educating business people on how to use it, what it can do for their business, etc.

We all agree that global adoption of crypto's depends on image for one. I've worked hard trying to dispel the criminal aspect of it, but having some idiot showcasing terror symbols gives me (and other people) not a chance in hell.

Yes, we all understand the "Ignore" feature, but someone who's not familiar with this forum and does some research and sees this, well, needless to say there is no way of explaining.

What's next? Swastikas again? Let me drop it on your thread every day. You won't be so dismissive then.

PS: my understanding is that the guy who left effectively lost business when his partners and clients saw this terrorist supporter. Nobody can ever rationalize that, free speech? Next to Hitler and the Nazi's!

[shorena]

-snip-
If this ISIS avatar is illegal in several countries around the world, then either block those countries IP addresses from accessing this site so this guy can keep his avatar, or ban his avatar.

Alright, while we are at it, lets ban bitcoin. Its illegal in several countries as well.

[redsn0w]

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The site is being hosted in the US, so I'm assuming they're abiding by American laws.

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America doesn't give a shit about country borders.

If this ISIS avatar is illegal in several countries around the world, then either block those countries IP addresses from accessing this site so this guy can keep his avatar, or ban his avatar.

Wait... also ponzi schemes are illegal all over the world.. but here it's not a problem to open a thread in the investor-based games board.


What do you think about it?

I think you should find another reason , because the illegal thing doesn't work.

[guitarplinker]

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The site is being hosted in the US, so I'm assuming they're abiding by American laws.

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America doesn't give a shit about country borders.

If this ISIS avatar is illegal in several countries around the world, then either block those countries IP addresses from accessing this site so this guy can keep his avatar, or ban his avatar.

It seems you completed ignored my post except for the first line, so I'll pose my question to you once again:

The site is being hosted in the US, so I'm assuming they're abiding by American laws.

I have a question for you though; is CBC.ca blocked in the Netherlands? They're often running stories with images or videos that include the ISIS flag. According to your logic, CBC.ca, or at least the CBC.ca stories on ISIS should be blocked when they're trying to be accessed on a Netherlands IP. Hint: Neither CBC.ca, or the ISIS articles on CBC are blocked on Netherlands IPs. I see no problems with this forum allowing images of ISIS flags, because I suspect if CBC is allowing anyone worldwide to see the ISIS flag, Bitcointalk won't get in any trouble for doing the same.

I don't agree with having an ISIS flag as an avatar, but there's a great ignore feature on this forum so that you don't need to see that avatar, or any posts from that user anymore.

[minerpage]

I suspect if CBC is allowing anyone worldwide to see the ISIS flag, Bitcointalk won't get in any trouble for doing the same.

Do you really want this board to be known as terrorist sympathizers?

[minerpage]

-snip-
If this ISIS avatar is illegal in several countries around the world, then either block those countries IP addresses from accessing this site so this guy can keep his avatar, or ban his avatar.

Alright, while we are at it, lets ban bitcoin. Its illegal in several countries as well.

The argument is not legal vs illegal, the argument is about us (as a group) working on public perception about something we believe in (crypto). Self regulation will go a long way to improve global adoption and to get there we need to win public opinion. Allowing criminals and terrorists in our midst will not advance that perception in any way. Why even consider allowing it?

[guitarplinker]

I suspect if CBC is allowing anyone worldwide to see the ISIS flag, Bitcointalk won't get in any trouble for doing the same.

Do you really want this board to be known as terrorist sympathizers?

I never mentioned that at all in my post. I was discussing coins101's idea that since the ISIS flag is illegal in a few countries, then it should be blocked when accessing Bitcointalk from these few countries as well. I was trying to explain to him that that's not how things work on the internet.

[minerpage]

I suspect if CBC is allowing anyone worldwide to see the ISIS flag, Bitcointalk won't get in any trouble for doing the same.

Do you really want this board to be known as terrorist sympathizers?

I never mentioned that at all in my post. I was discussing coins101's idea that since the ISIS flag is illegal in a few countries, then it should be blocked when accessing Bitcointalk from these few countries as well. I was trying to explain to him that that's not how things work on the internet.

I understand and I'm trying to appeal to common sense from everyone on this board. This affects all of us and the crypto we're trying to promote. My argument is not legal vs illegal, I'm talking about how we are being perceived when we allow these kind of statements (terror support). No matter how you slice it, someone who displays that symbol is a supporter and whoever allows that display is a sympathizer. No way around it. All I'm asking is that we consider what we allow ourselves to be associated with. That's all.

[guitarplinker]

I understand and I'm trying to appeal to common sense from everyone on this board. This affects all of us and the crypto we're trying to promote. My argument is not legal vs illegal, I'm talking about how we are being perceived when we allow these kind of statements (terror support). No matter how you slice it, someone who displays that symbol is a supporter and whoever allows that display is a sympathizer. No way around it. All I'm asking is that we consider what we allow ourselves to be associated with. That's all.

I agree with the fact that it probably isn't beneficial when trying to appeal to newcomers to the site. However, Bitcointalk (seems to) really push for freedom of speech, and I suppose this avatar would fall under that.

[minerpage]

I understand and I'm trying to appeal to common sense from everyone on this board. This affects all of us and the crypto we're trying to promote. My argument is not legal vs illegal, I'm talking about how we are being perceived when we allow these kind of statements (terror support). No matter how you slice it, someone who displays that symbol is a supporter and whoever allows that display is a sympathizer. No way around it. All I'm asking is that we consider what we allow ourselves to be associated with. That's all.

I agree with the fact that it probably isn't beneficial when trying to appeal to newcomers to the site. However, Bitcointalk (seems to) really push for freedom of speech, and I suppose this avatar would fall under that.

Very sad to hear. I guess I'm in the wrong place with the wrong people. There is no way anybody can rationalize allowing display of this symbol without being considered terror sympathizers.