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Title: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: TKeenan on March 08, 2016, 04:04:58 PM
This article says:
"ISIS has even tried -- with unknown results -- to exploit Bitcoin accounts to raise money overseas, even putting out an English-language guide."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/middleeast/isis-finance-broke-lister/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/middleeast/isis-finance-broke-lister/index.html)

Has anyone seen this?  Seems like the Bitcoin community would have a copy if it were true.  Maybe this is just made up BS?  Otherwise, we should see a copy of this document somewhere around here.  I think journalists make up about half of the crap they write.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: Kprawn on March 08, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
No proof has been provided, since day one of Bitcoin that it has been used in ISIS funding. I had this discussion again today with someone and I asked him this ..." Would you stop using cash or credit

cards, if you found out that they used that as a method to fund terrorism? " ...His answer, " Why? No it's just a currency..." .. My response, "Exactly" All the hype in the media about ISIS being

funded by Bitcoin, is pure sensationalism to get more hits and sell more papers. Other people just followed those first articles on the subject and shilled the shit out of it..  ::)


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: eternalgloom on March 08, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
If airstrikes are currently targetting buildings where they hold fiat currency, I wouldn't be surprised if they convert part of that money into bitcoin and various other assets.
I don't think news like this makes Bitcoin look particularly bad, Isis probably also converts money into gold etc.

Although, this is yet another shady thing that Bitcoin is connected to..


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: SFR10 on March 08, 2016, 06:11:30 PM
I doubt that is true since no other source justify it and if it was, there was at least a clue in our community here but haven't heard such thing so far (specially after all these talks began earlier). Most likely a way to engage more audience and twist story, not to mention, prolong as well so just pure BS IMO.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on March 08, 2016, 06:15:10 PM
i know that they love to use Dollars!  :o


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: RodeoX on March 08, 2016, 06:26:46 PM
I can't imagine them not using bitcoin. By them I mean DAESH. There has not been a group called isis in years now. The rest of the world calls them DAESH if they hate them and IS if they are supporters. But yes. they do use them and it should come as no surprise.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: Bitware on March 08, 2016, 06:35:21 PM
The funding for ISIS/ISIL primarily comes from use of the US Dollar.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: tyz on March 08, 2016, 07:25:57 PM
And how do they store the private keys of their Bitcoin wallets? They would probably use paper wallets because their phones and computers could be infilitrated easily or could be destroyed. But by using paper wallets, they have the same problem as with fiat money. The paper could be burned through bombs. So, there is no really advantage using Bitcoins over fiat money imho.

If airstrikes are currently targetting buildings where they hold fiat currency, I wouldn't be surprised if they convert part of that money into bitcoin and various other assets.
I don't think news like this makes Bitcoin look particularly bad, Isis probably also converts money into gold etc.

Although, this is yet another shady thing that Bitcoin is connected to..


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: RodeoX on March 08, 2016, 08:58:02 PM
And how do they store the private keys of their Bitcoin wallets? They would probably use paper wallets because their phones and computers could be infilitrated easily or could be destroyed. But by using paper wallets, they have the same problem as with fiat money. The paper could be burned through bombs. So, there is no really advantage using Bitcoins over fiat money imho.

If airstrikes are currently targetting buildings where they hold fiat currency, I wouldn't be surprised if they convert part of that money into bitcoin and various other assets.
I don't think news like this makes Bitcoin look particularly bad, Isis probably also converts money into gold etc.

Although, this is yet another shady thing that Bitcoin is connected to..
Their phones are better protected than one would hope. They not only have the phones, but the phone lines, the switches, the cell towers, everything. If the police want your phone in most places they just ask your service provider. In the Islamic state some spook may have a hard time listening in on an encrypted conversation.
Bitcoin is money and money has broad appeal. It really is about wealth and power not bitcoin. In fact the official currency of DAESH is minted in gold, silver, and copper. The image below shows the coins they mint.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Islamic-State-coins.jpeg


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: AliceWonderMiscreations on March 08, 2016, 09:00:10 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if some terrorist organizations use bitcoin to move assets around, but so what?


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: calkob on March 08, 2016, 09:04:46 PM
The map makes me think that isis is surrounded ....lol  ;D.  CNN need to wise up, come like most people are beyond your stupid ignorant reporting now, get with the times


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: Hashminers on March 08, 2016, 09:08:52 PM
I think its possible but you have to keep in mind almost every currency is used for it so its not to stop.
Also there is no real proof this is true and until that there is nothing to worry right ?


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: pbleak on March 08, 2016, 09:09:28 PM
They suck at tech.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: gentlemand on March 08, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
Nah. There's lots of tech savvy folks involved. Exploiting the internet and media has been a key element in them getting places. I'm sure Bitcoin is on their radar.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: pbleak on March 08, 2016, 11:27:27 PM
Nah. There's lots of tech savvy folks involved. Exploiting the internet and media has been a key element in them getting places. I'm sure Bitcoin is on their radar.

They excel at social media and video production. They give awful opsec and encryption advice up to and including 'rolling their own crypto.'


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: Kate007 on March 10, 2016, 11:23:11 AM
ISIS may really use bitcoin, but i don't see a threat to bitcoin here. They use dollars too.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: JustDie on March 10, 2016, 11:26:01 AM
ISIS may really use bitcoin, but i don't see a threat to bitcoin here. They use dollars too.

im agree ISIS using bitcoin , but dollars is only for buying gun .. lol


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: haileysantos95 on March 10, 2016, 11:33:32 AM
ISIS may really use bitcoin, but i don't see a threat to bitcoin here. They use dollars too.

im agree ISIS using bitcoin , but dollars is only for buying gun .. lol

ISIS is using tweeter so why not bitcoin,they know how to adapt to make easy money.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: ObscureBean on March 10, 2016, 11:49:04 AM
It doesn't even matter that the article is made up crap, the simple truth is that Bitcoin is like a dream come true for groups like ISIS, it's the perfect way for them to accept donations from their supporters around the world without either side having to reveal a lot of info. And if they're not using it yet, it's only a matter of time before they do.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: maku on March 10, 2016, 11:59:37 AM
I would like to see that ISIS' tutorial. But this is probably nothing more than bitcoin address with the DONATE sign.
They are selling oil for $500 millions per year, rob banks for over $400 millions, sell antiques for $100 millions - and press is making a fuss over bitcoin donations?
Bitcoin is probably less than 0.01% of ISIS money, probably even less.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: Dr.Osh on March 10, 2016, 12:01:07 PM
there is no evidence that the ISIS using bitcoin as a currency for their transactions, but most likely they are to use it, because bitcoin is also often used for things that are illegal, such as buying weapons


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: xuan87 on March 10, 2016, 01:07:46 PM
eventhough there are alot of rumor say that ISIS using bitcoin as one of the payment, but up until now there are no evidence that show ISIS using bitcoin to purchase things


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: qiwoman2 on March 11, 2016, 08:11:47 AM
Whatever the truth is, why hasn't fiat been 'banned' for being used bu drug lords and mobsters, terrorists and governments to wage war on humankind? The media seems to be trying to play foul as usual by tarnishing Bitcoin because it upsets the establishments that be and of course who runs the mass media corporations anyway? So I think it's a lod of nonsense that there is so much fear being whipped up around Bitcoin and its uses. Unfortunately you get the best and worst in human nature, some will use bitcoin as a force for good, others foe evil, it's as simple as that really.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: ctlaltdefeat on March 11, 2016, 01:06:27 PM
This article says:
"ISIS has even tried -- with unknown results -- to exploit Bitcoin accounts to raise money overseas, even putting out an English-language guide."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/middleeast/isis-finance-broke-lister/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/middleeast/isis-finance-broke-lister/index.html)

Has anyone seen this?  Seems like the Bitcoin community would have a copy if it were true.  Maybe this is just made up BS?  Otherwise, we should see a copy of this document somewhere around here.  I think journalists make up about half of the crap they write.
of course we can not reject and  prevent terrorists to use and hold bitcoin, whether true or not this news will not make some people leave bitcoin, and I know, CNN is a trusted news portal.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: pbleak on March 11, 2016, 01:12:46 PM
Whatever the truth is, why hasn't fiat been 'banned' for being used bu drug lords and mobsters, terrorists and governments to wage war on humankind? The media seems to be trying to play foul as usual by tarnishing Bitcoin because it upsets the establishments that be and of course who runs the mass media corporations anyway? So I think it's a lod of nonsense that there is so much fear being whipped up around Bitcoin and its uses. Unfortunately you get the best and worst in human nature, some will use bitcoin as a force for good, others foe evil, it's as simple as that really.

With fiat you have something like regulation after the fact. With Bitcoin they are trying to regulate before it gets too big. They've been relatively coy on Bitcoin and do not seem to be using the obvious tools to regulate it. My suspicion is that they figure if they treat it as just 'weirdo internet money' that does not even get proper laws that people will ignore it.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: nejibens on March 11, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
The article noticed many sources of funding used by Isis not only Bitcoin, and even bitcoin is from the last choices for them, they use Banks and oil and so on. So focus in just that Bitcoin is used by them have another bad goal in my opinion.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: RealPhotoshoper on March 11, 2016, 04:00:52 PM
This article says:
"ISIS has even tried -- with unknown results -- to exploit Bitcoin accounts to raise money overseas, even putting out an English-language guide."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/middleeast/isis-finance-broke-lister/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/04/middleeast/isis-finance-broke-lister/index.html)

Has anyone seen this?  Seems like the Bitcoin community would have a copy if it were true.  Maybe this is just made up BS?  Otherwise, we should see a copy of this document somewhere around here.  I think journalists make up about half of the crap they write.
this is not good for bitcoin development,bitcoin should clear from being used for illegal activity,because bitcoin need clear way to introduced to newbie and general people who still dont know bitcoin,if that newbie know that bitcoin used by isis,mybe they never want use bitcoin.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: mkc on March 11, 2016, 04:27:09 PM
Maybe we should tell Isis leave Bitcoin alone, you guys can use Dash. Bitcoin is for good people, dash has better privacy protection.


Title: Re: ISIS / Bitcoin
Post by: RodeoX on March 11, 2016, 04:28:21 PM
Maybe we should tell Isis leave Bitcoin alone, you guys can use Dash. Bitcoin is for good people, dash has better privacy protection.

If we change the name to DAESH it might even be more attractive.  :D