Title: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: Minecache on March 14, 2016, 05:01:35 PM http://allcoinsnews.com/2016/03/14/arcade-city-uses-ethereum-to-decentralize-taxi-delivery-and-roadside-assistance-services-and-launches-mobile-app/
Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 05:11:12 PM Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance http://allcoinsnews.com/2016/03/14/arcade-city-uses-ethereum-to-decentralize-taxi-delivery-and-roadside-assistance-services-and-launches-mobile-app/ There is no way for a smart contract to form an objective consensus about events that occur external to a block chain. All voting is a power vacuum that fails due to the Iron Law of Political Economics (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984). This press release is bullshit with no adoption and is merely to sell more ETH tokens to fools. Augur and Slock.it and 99% of the apps/contracts announced for Ethereum are so flawed they can never work. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: StinkyLover on March 14, 2016, 05:24:51 PM Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance http://allcoinsnews.com/2016/03/14/arcade-city-uses-ethereum-to-decentralize-taxi-delivery-and-roadside-assistance-services-and-launches-mobile-app/ There is no way for a smart contract to form an objective consensus about events that occur external to a block chain. Besides there rates will need to be set by a consensus of drivers. If you haven't noticed, it is the drivers who are destroying Uber. All voting is a power vacuum that fails due to the Iron Law of Political Economics (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984). This press release is bullshit with no adoption and is merely to sell more ETH tokens to fools. Augur and Slock.it and 99% of the apps/contracts announced for Ethereum are so flawed they can never work. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 05:27:13 PM Erm... If the app keeps track of drivers journeys And my point is there is no way to reach objective consensus on the driver's journeys. Read my prior post again and try to understand it, because it flew right over your head. You n00bs don't even have a fucking clue at all about the technology. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: StinkyLover on March 14, 2016, 05:31:58 PM Erm... If the app keeps track of drivers journeys And my point is there is no way to reach objective consensus on the driver's journeys. Read my prior post again and try to understand it, because it flew right over your head. You n00bs don't even have a fucking clue at all about the technology. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 05:33:19 PM Erm... If the app keeps track of drivers journeys And my point is there is no way to reach objective consensus on the driver's journeys. Read my prior post again and try to understand it, because it flew right over your head. You n00bs don't even have a fucking clue at all about the technology. Incorrect. You go learn something and come back when you are not totally ignorant. Btw, as I explained in the Ethereum Paradox thread about other proposed Ethereum applications, if you just want the customer and the driver to agree on what has been delivered and record a payment, then you only need multi-sig for that which can be done with Bitcoin. If you want an objective consensus on other facts, then a block chain can't do that because a block chain is only objective about the longest chain rule and nothing external to the block chain. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: StinkyLover on March 14, 2016, 05:34:44 PM Erm... If the app keeps track of drivers journeys And my point is there is no way to reach objective consensus on the driver's journeys. Read my prior post again and try to understand it, because it flew right over your head. You n00bs don't even have a fucking clue at all about the technology. Incorrect. You go learn something and come back when you are not totally ignorant. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: benthach on March 14, 2016, 05:36:35 PM http://allcoinsnews.com/2016/03/14/arcade-city-uses-ethereum-to-decentralize-taxi-delivery-and-roadside-assistance-services-and-launches-mobile-app/ is this crap game just started yesterday? this is a big new for crap eth. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 05:37:56 PM Erm... If the app keeps track of drivers journeys And my point is there is no way to reach objective consensus on the driver's journeys. Read my prior post again and try to understand it, because it flew right over your head. You n00bs don't even have a fucking clue at all about the technology. Incorrect. You go learn something and come back when you are not totally ignorant. Your disease is known as the Dunning-Kruger syndrome. I am sure everyone would be thrilled if you were to attempt (and fail) to explain all the technical facts. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: StinkyLover on March 14, 2016, 05:39:47 PM Erm... If the app keeps track of drivers journeys And my point is there is no way to reach objective consensus on the driver's journeys. Read my prior post again and try to understand it, because it flew right over your head. You n00bs don't even have a fucking clue at all about the technology. Incorrect. You go learn something and come back when you are not totally ignorant. Your disease is known as the Dunning-Kruger syndrome. I am sure everyone would be thrilled if you were to attempt (and fail) to explain all the technical facts. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 05:42:42 PM StinkyLover I challenge right now to a live video debate.
Put up or shut up. Yes or no? Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: StinkyLover on March 14, 2016, 05:43:24 PM StinkyLover I challenge right now to a live video debate. Put up or shut up. Yes or no? LOOL! You are a joker. Get lost. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 05:44:27 PM StinkyLover I challenge right now to a live video debate. LOOL! You are a joker. Get lost.Put up or shut up. Yes or no? So readers now you know he shut up because he knows in a live video debate, his lies will be revealed. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: StinkyLover on March 14, 2016, 05:53:53 PM StinkyLover I challenge right now to a live video debate. LOOL! You are a joker. Get lost.Put up or shut up. Yes or no? So readers now you know he shut up because he knows in a live video debate, his lies will be revealed. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 05:55:00 PM Furthermore, ArcadeCity does not use ETH for payment. Cash, credit card, debit, and Paypal are accepted.
The Ethereum integration is primarily to sell tokens to drivers, i.e. a way to do public offering (let's hope they comply with SEC regulations): Quote Arcade City will use Ethereum to issue ‘crypto-equity’ to drivers, allowing them to own up to 100% of the company by 2020. It has nothing to do with using Ethereum to enable some new technology that improves upon Uber. It is about governance and creating a copycoin P&D in the Uber space. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: Fuserleer on March 14, 2016, 08:54:17 PM TPTB is correct, although I'll try and explain in a more digestible manner :)
A contract in ETH (or any platform for that matter) can only come to a reliable consensus if the information it is using to come to that consensus is solely internal to the system. In the case of this, the driver and the passenger could collude to input "fake" information into the system, perhaps so that the driver gets more tokens or whatever. There is no way for the system to check, irrefutably, that the journey really was say 20 miles in distance, it could all be fake. Even if you put a "black box" in the cab, you still cant ever be 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with, and so due to that uncertainly, the consensus can never be totally reliable. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 14, 2016, 09:55:53 PM Thanks Fuseleer. I've lost desire to explain more, because the trolls just start new threads that ignore what was already explained in the Ethereum Paradox thread, wherein I had explained it the first time.
Your explanation is very clear. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: smooth on March 14, 2016, 10:01:21 PM StinkyLover I challenge right now to a live video debate. LOOL! You are a joker. Get lost.Put up or shut up. Yes or no? So readers now you know he shut up because he knows in a live video debate, his lies will be revealed. He's contributed a hell of a lot more than you have have afaict. Nick Szabo is also primarily a writer in this space, among others (including Vitalik BTW). That counts as contribution. What is yours? Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: lovely89 on March 14, 2016, 10:20:48 PM StinkyLover I challenge right now to a live video debate. LOOL! You are a joker. Get lost.Put up or shut up. Yes or no? So readers now you know he shut up because he knows in a live video debate, his lies will be revealed. lol. Stinky got owned. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: StinkyLover on March 14, 2016, 11:54:56 PM StinkyLover I challenge right now to a live video debate. LOOL! You are a joker. Get lost.Put up or shut up. Yes or no? So readers now you know he shut up because he knows in a live video debate, his lies will be revealed. He's contributed a hell of a lot more than you have have afaict. Nick Szabo is also primarily a writer in this space, among others (including Vitalik BTW). That counts as contribution. What is yours? He is not Nick Szabo, he is not Vitalik. His contribution is noise without output. I've been on this board too long to be impressed by it. So blockchain tech isn't perfect. When was it ever perfect? When was any tech ever perfect? His theories will not stop dapps being built and working exactly as the designers expect them to. So a fraud might be committed on the ETH blockchain. Tell that to MtGox and Cryptsy victims. Scams are recorded on all blockchains. Is this really news?? I'm a nobody, I don't claim to be anybody. You'll not be getting any industry enlightening contributions from plain 'ol StinkyLover me, but he 'claims' to be a somebody, a brilliant astute programmer who will come forth with a new Jerusalem (while trolling his way through the alts section). Do you vouch for him? I certainly don't. I've stated two things previously in other posts: 1. If he brings it, and it works, I'll publicly eat my words 2. He will NEVER bring it. He is all talk. I've seen it all before I stand by both of those statements Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: mining1 on March 15, 2016, 12:05:31 AM I agree with what this guy says.Im not a programmer but tpb is all about noise.Its so obvious he has his own reasons to FUD.He's saying that ethereum is flawed like thats news,every blockchain there is,is flawed.But some,more than others,will perform better eventually and overcome their flaws.He keeps saying eth is broken but he admitted its problems are solvable,yet he keeps goin on.
Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: smooth on March 15, 2016, 12:35:41 AM Do you vouch for him? I certainly don't. I've stated two things previously in other posts: I don't know him personally but his posts are generally an accurate technical analysis. Like everyone else he occasionally gets things wrong, but more right than wrong (and usually corrects his errors later -- we are all learning about this stuff after all). I've seen nothing to suggest you have any idea what you are talking about. Maybe you do, but I haven't seen it. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 16, 2016, 09:33:21 PM Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance http://allcoinsnews.com/2016/03/14/arcade-city-uses-ethereum-to-decentralize-taxi-delivery-and-roadside-assistance-services-and-launches-mobile-app/ There is no way for a smart contract to form an objective consensus about events that occur external to a block chain. All voting is a power vacuum that fails due to the Iron Law of Political Economics (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=984). This press release is bullshit with no adoption and is merely to sell more ETH tokens to fools. Augur and Slock.it and 99% of the apps/contracts announced for Ethereum are so flawed they can never work. Furthermore, ArcadeCity does not use ETH for payment. Cash, credit card, debit, and Paypal are accepted. The Ethereum integration is primarily to sell tokens to drivers, i.e. a way to do public offering (let's hope they comply with SEC regulations): Quote Arcade City will use Ethereum to issue ‘crypto-equity’ to drivers, allowing them to own up to 100% of the company by 2020. It has nothing to do with using Ethereum to enable some new technology that improves upon Uber. It is about governance and creating a copycoin P&D in the Uber space. More information: http://cointelegraph.com/news/arcade-city-decentralized-blockchain-based-answer-to-ubera They could use a block chain for drivers to sign a record of the price they are offering, and for riders to sign records giving reviews of the drivers, i.e. a decentralized database that verifies the signers so that reputation can't be faked. But reputation can be Sybil attacked, unless a resource must be consumed in order to establish a reputation. Payments from riders to drivers on the block chain would not be a consumed resource, because drivers could pay themselves from fake rider accounts. Proof-of-stake does not consume a resource and thus it has attack vectors (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1319681.msg13488432#msg13488432). The solution is for riders to form a Web of Trust, where they trust friends and friends-of-friends and this reputation is the only reputation they trust. But none of this needs atomic Smart Contracts. All we need is a way to sign hashes on the block chain and keep the data on a DHT. Which is I think the correct design for a 2.0 block chain. Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: YarkoL on March 16, 2016, 10:07:53 PM In the case of this, the driver and the passenger could collude to input "fake" information into the system, perhaps so that the driver gets more tokens or whatever. There is no way for the system to check, irrefutably, that the journey really was say 20 miles in distance, it could all be fake. Even if you put a "black box" in the cab, you still cant ever be 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with, and so due to that uncertainly, the consensus can never be totally reliable. Makes me wonder if the driver on the move could prove her position at intervals to all the other participants on the network in a non-fakeable way, like using triangulation of a radio signal ...although passenger might not be OK with that... Title: Re: Arcade City Uses Ethereum to Decentralize Taxi, Delivery and Roadside Assistance Post by: TPTB_need_war on March 16, 2016, 10:11:10 PM In the case of this, the driver and the passenger could collude to input "fake" information into the system, perhaps so that the driver gets more tokens or whatever. There is no way for the system to check, irrefutably, that the journey really was say 20 miles in distance, it could all be fake. Even if you put a "black box" in the cab, you still cant ever be 100% sure that it wasn't tampered with, and so due to that uncertainly, the consensus can never be totally reliable. Makes me wonder if the driver on the move could prove her position at intervals to all the other participants on the network in a non-fakeable way, like using triangulation of a radio signal You are still trusting the provider of the triangulation sites. This is thus still centralization. There is no way for the block chain to be objective about that, unless it is merely recording data trusted providers have signed. There is nothing wrong with using a block chain to record driver signed updates on their position. Thus trust is based on reputation. But you don't need atomic Smart Contracts (Dapp Koolaid) for that. Each user can run a program on their client (which doesn't need to be atomic with the block chain) to read the data on the block chain and interpret (according to the reputation that user trusts). |