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Title: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on January 31, 2013, 11:27:12 PM
Hey All,

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They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Charlie Shrem    Feb 01 2013


Link: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=112

As most of the world awoke to see Bitcoin priced over $20, a new 18-month high, a few of us were fortunate enough to see another miracle this morning – the world’s first ASIC Bitcoin mining machine alive and kicking.

Since the beginning of Bitcoin mining, it’s been understood that the hardware would specialize to the point of dedicated process-specific chips, known as “ASICs” (application specific integrated circuits). However, until today, it was all hope and speculation. And for a year now, the community has been abuzz with rumors and a fierce competition by several companies to be the first to market with the holy grail of hashing.

And to be sure, ASICs are not just a marginal improvement in technology – they represent a mining efficiency upgrade of roughly 50x. Big money, for anyone who can get one up and running and out of the land of unicorns and rainbows.

A winner has finally emerged. Yifu Guo, head of BitSynCom LLC and his soon-to-be infamous Avalon brand, has slaughtered all the unicorns. Yifu arrived in New York City last night, after more than two months in China finishing his masterwork. With him, Avalon’s first ASIC V1. As we poured over it this morning, the thought occurred that it should perhaps be named, “Helicopter Ben.” The difference between this machine and Ben Bernanke, of course, is that this thing prints real money, not the unlimited digital currency known as the US dollar.

As we plugged the beast in (and it is a beast – the size of a desktop computer in a thick aluminum exoskeleton), three NMB MAT7 fans roared to life. It actually sounded like a helicopter. Once the software starts running, however, the temp-controlled fans quiet down markedly. It’s worth pointing out that, while large, the Avalon V1 looks beautiful inside and out. Clean lines, well-organized, and sturdy – it looks professional.

But how does it perform? Beautifully. The unit in front of us, after 30 seconds configuring it with the laptop, was churning out 89 gigahashes of raw crypto-juice every second. This is equal to roughly 250 Radeon HD 5850 graphics cards. And while each of those graphics cards would suck up 200 watts, the Avalon V1 takes only 500-600 watts in total. This isn’t about slowing carbon emissions, it’s about bringing maximum security to the network at the lowest possible cost.

Buyers of the first batch should know that the Avalon units are modular and upgradeable. The stock V1′s will have 3 hashing modules putting out roughly 67 gigahashes per second in total. This model unit in front of us had been upgraded to 4 sets of chips (one more than stock) which is why it puts out over 80 gigahashes. Buyers of the V2 batch, which goes on sale within a day or two, will have room for six sets of chips (V1′s maxing out at 4).

While Helicopter Ben was humming away on the desk, we did some quick calculations. We realized, amazingly, that the machine is actually earning more than minimum wage here in New York City. But unlike a typical employee, this thing works 24/7, taking no holidays, and demanding no healthcare or special benefits. And it won’t ever unionize.

But more than just techie hardware advance, there’s a human narrative worth observing. Sitting on the desk, next to the V1, is a 23 year old bottle of Ron Zacapa rum, to commemorate Yifu Guo’s 23rd birthday today. He’s 23, and he just took Bitcoin mining into a new era. We could tell that Yifu was proud of his creation, and he should be.

Yifu had begun this process a year ago, as he was worried that if only one or two companies built ASICs, and they built too many of them for themselves, it would represent a threat to the Bitcoin network. What if those companies held all the chips and commanded 51% of the network? It was unlikely, but possible, and so Yifu set out to build ASICs of his own, knowing he could trust himself to get them into the hands of diverse customers. Decentralization, and all that.

While he knew he’d never be the first to market, at least he’d be protecting the network. As it turns out, Yifu’s competitors suffered delays, and a couple competitors dropped out of the market completely. Yifu eventually realized that Avalon would be the first brand of ASIC to actually hit the market, “I became the centralization that I set out to destroy,” he jokes.

Those who trusted Yifu with their capital will be richly rewarded, and the Bitcoin network is about to become far more secure. ASIC’s have gone from hypothesis to product. A new piece of the Bitcoin infrastructure has been built.

Many of us see the Bitcoin world as the Wild West, and it’s an apt analogy. Rife with danger, fraudsters, adventure, and opportunity, the Bitcoin landscape is both hostile and beautiful. Upon it, a crucial monetary revolution is happening, and on days like today, we’re reminded that the good guys are winning.

Enjoy  ;D


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: blablahblah on February 01, 2013, 12:13:41 AM
Maths gurus: how slowly would 89GH have to switch in and out of the network for it to be visible above the hash-rate noise floor?

I wanna see glitches on bitcoincharts or it didn't happen! ;)


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on February 01, 2013, 01:27:49 AM
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But more than just techie hardware advance, there’s a human narrative worth observing. Sitting on the desk, next to the V1, is a 23 year old bottle of Ron Zacapa rum, to commemorate Yifu Guo’s 23rd birthday today. He’s 23, and he just took Bitcoin mining into a new era. We could tell that Yifu was proud of his creation, and he should be.

Yifu had begun this process a year ago, as he was worried that if only one or two companies built ASICs, and they built too many of them for themselves, it would represent a threat to the Bitcoin network. What if those companies held all the chips and commanded 51% of the network? It was unlikely, but possible, and so Yifu set out to build ASICs of his own, knowing he could trust himself to get them into the hands of diverse customers. Decentralization, and all that.

While he knew he’d never be the first to market, at least he’d be protecting the network. As it turns out, Yifu’s competitors suffered delays, and a couple competitors dropped out of the market completely. Yifu eventually realized that Avalon would be the first brand of ASIC to actually hit the market, “I became the centralization that I set out to destroy,” he jokes.

Wow, sounds like a new legend to rank up there with Art Forz ... bitcoin magazine needs to do an article on Yifu Guo


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: bg002h on February 01, 2013, 01:38:53 AM
Strong work!


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Elwar on February 01, 2013, 01:53:55 AM
we did some quick calculations. We realized, amazingly, that the machine is actually earning more than minimum wage here in New York City

A great reward for the first few out there but that return will drop once that single machine is multiplied by hundreds/thousands.

Awesome stuff though.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: knight22 on February 01, 2013, 01:56:10 AM
Finally they arrived! This is very nice


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Atruk on February 01, 2013, 02:13:22 AM
Maths gurus: how slowly would 89GH have to switch in and out of the network for it to be visible above the hash-rate noise floor?

I wanna see glitches on bitcoincharts or it didn't happen! ;)

Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: jgarzik on February 01, 2013, 03:56:42 AM
Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.

Or in other words, on average, a solo mining Avalon ASIC should find a block once every 2 days, 4 hours at current difficulty.



Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: MrTeal on February 01, 2013, 03:58:36 AM
Maths gurus: how slowly would 89GH have to switch in and out of the network for it to be visible above the hash-rate noise floor?

I wanna see glitches on bitcoincharts or it didn't happen! ;)

Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.
Your maths is incorrect by a couple orders of magnitude.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: marcus_of_augustus on February 01, 2013, 04:15:52 AM
Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.

Or in other words, on average, a solo mining Avalon ASIC should find a block once every 2 days, 4 hours at current difficulty.



Ahhh, this takes me back to early days of the first of the double 5970 rigs ... actually was a block per day when we hacked up the PCI extension cable/power breakout trick I seem to recall.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Atruk on February 01, 2013, 05:05:51 AM
Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.

Or in other words, on average, a solo mining Avalon ASIC should find a block once every 2 days, 4 hours at current difficulty.



Which is awesome, but just a couple aren't going to spike the network into a steep incline as long as the avalon release continues to ship steadily, probably at least a few days before there is a noticeable impact

Maths gurus: how slowly would 89GH have to switch in and out of the network for it to be visible above the hash-rate noise floor?

I wanna see glitches on bitcoincharts or it didn't happen! ;)

Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.
Your maths is incorrect by a couple orders of magnitude.

I just roughly divided 25 trillion by 80 billion (I think it was a few hours ago).


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: dree12 on February 01, 2013, 05:08:15 AM
Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.

Or in other words, on average, a solo mining Avalon ASIC should find a block once every 2 days, 4 hours at current difficulty.



Which is awesome, but just a couple aren't going to spike the network into a steep incline as long as the avalon release continues to ship steadily, probably at least a few days before there is a noticeable impact

Maths gurus: how slowly would 89GH have to switch in and out of the network for it to be visible above the hash-rate noise floor?

I wanna see glitches on bitcoincharts or it didn't happen! ;)

Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.
Your maths is incorrect by a couple orders of magnitude.

I just roughly divided 25 trillion by 80 billion (I think it was a few hours ago).

Off by a single order of magnitude. The correct math should be: one third of one tenth of one percent.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: eleuthria on February 01, 2013, 05:10:38 AM
Off by a single order of magnitude. The correct math should be: one third of one tenth of one percent.

89 / 24,500 [current network estimate from bitcoincharts.com] = 0.0036.  x 100 = 0.36%.  So two orders of magnitude.  One third of one percent.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: dree12 on February 01, 2013, 05:13:14 AM
Off by a single order of magnitude. The correct math should be: one third of one tenth of one percent.

89 / 24,500 [current network estimate from bitcoincharts.com] = 0.0036.  x 100 = 0.36%.  So two orders of magnitude.  One third of one percent.

Ah, that's embarrassing.  :-[


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Third Way on February 01, 2013, 05:54:12 AM
Sick math burn.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: grubles on February 01, 2013, 06:15:06 AM
Enjoy finding blocks every 2 days or so for a couple weeks until difficulty inevitably shoots up and you realize you would be better off selling your hardware and just buying btc.  :'(


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: bg002h on February 01, 2013, 06:47:07 AM
Whatever pool you aim this at is definitely going to notice it, but for the network at large it is a single Avalon Asic is still roughly one third of one hundredth of one percent of the bitcoin network's hashing power or a bit less.

Or in other words, on average, a solo mining Avalon ASIC should find a block once every 2 days, 4 hours at current difficulty.



Ahhh, this takes me back to early days of the first of the double 5970 rigs ... actually was a block per day when we hacked up the PCI extension cable/power breakout trick I seem to recall.

Hahah...I found 4 blocks in one night on my laptop CPU...man have things changed. If only I had found Bitcoin sooner...it was literally a week later that CPU mining went kaput...


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: mufa23 on February 01, 2013, 06:53:59 AM
Very nice!


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: grubles on February 01, 2013, 06:57:43 AM
“I became the centralization that I set out to destroy” that is the essence of mining at this point.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Atruk on February 01, 2013, 07:51:40 AM
Off by a single order of magnitude. The correct math should be: one third of one tenth of one percent.

89 / 24,500 [current network estimate from bitcoincharts.com] = 0.0036.  x 100 = 0.36%.  So two orders of magnitude.  One third of one percent.

It figures my brain would have skip the step that converts it to a percent when I'm trying to do math in public.

Hahah...I found 4 blocks in one night on my laptop CPU...man have things changed. If only I had found Bitcoin sooner...it was literally a week later that CPU mining went kaput...

Sometime in the spring of 2009 I'd just heard of this bitcoin thing on some forum, it was probably a cold story in the Slashdot firehose. It was Friday and I was headed out of town for the weekend so I just left my laptop mining these things. I come back there's a 150 bitcoins in my wallet and I just forget they exist for a few months. That fall I'm cleaning out app I hadn't used and stumble on this bitcoin thing again and decide to see if they are worth anything. When I find out they are worth somewhere between a dime and a quarter I'm like fuck this shit... uninstall. When the news of dollar parity hit I spent a good several hours finding out that wallet.dat was definitely overwritten.

At least I donated their value to all of the other bitcoins instead of helping that Pirate fellow overdose on mountains of cocaine and strippers.


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: smoothie on February 01, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
Charlie,

Thanks for the update and video attempt. I wish you guys would do a better video than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_c3QE_1aE&feature=youtu.be

Hard to see anything on the screen.

I think the community would appreciate a thorough video review of the device and the stat outputs.

Looking forward to it.

Thanks!

Smoothie


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Yankee (BitInstant) on February 01, 2013, 04:11:51 PM
Charlie,

Thanks for the update and video attempt. I wish you guys would do a better video than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_c3QE_1aE&feature=youtu.be

Hard to see anything on the screen.

I think the community would appreciate a thorough video review of the device and the stat outputs.

Looking forward to it.

Thanks!

Smoothie

Agreed, we will do it!


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: BitcoinINV on February 01, 2013, 04:15:43 PM
Yea seem lots of people think its fake on youtube lol It looks awsome glad to see a product seem great. Good job avalon


Title: Re: They are real: The Bitcoin Foundation Opens Up Avalon’s First ASIC
Post by: Micon on February 01, 2013, 05:15:18 PM
1)
http://mlkshk.com/r/1M8


2) Yifu you are such a boss.  I can feel the "no way we will let 1 company produce all the ASICs and possible damage the network" ethos as I read back to the start of this process.  I wonder if you thought you'd win the race when you started, or just assumed you would be there soon after.  Either way, bravo, amazing job, keep shipping them and I can't wait for the entire batch to be rec'd and we all watch the bitcoin network grow stronger.