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Alright, everyone keeps arguing about whether RuCoin can resist 51% attack. I say it can and that it is the ONLY coin which is resistant to 51% attack.

I am making this thread to find out how much it will cost to commission luke-jr to "test" this chain and to find people interested in donating to the total cost of having the chain tested.

Let's do this...

i'd be up for giving a go at doing a 51% attack...purely out of interest in knowing "how to 51% attack a chain" and i see it as a side bonus that Rucoin is wanting to be tested at being 51% attacked (please note i support nearly all the alt-currencies and I not doing this out of spite for Rucoin, but in testing what the community has asked for, and chance to gain some more knowledge on what is involved in a 51% attack)

but i can only do this if
1) rucoin is mineable on BFL ASICs,
2) when i get my ASIC!!
3) if the reward is high enough so as not to loose out on too much BTC from not mining
4) I suppose i should say as well if 60Ghash will be enough to kill perform the 51% attack

I would prefer gpu testing over asic's because the disbelievers will argue that someone with a substantial gpu hashrate could switch back and forth between the sha256d and scrypt algorithms when the network goes into defensive mode. I need someone who will be capable of testing with both algos as RuCoin uses both and it seems to be a key part of it's defense strategy.

Hey dumbass,

Provide the source code that proves 51% immunity for RUC and I will shut up.

That is if the code is reviewed by myself and the community and the consensus is that RUC is in fact immune to such attacks.

Otherwise STFU.

This the best I've got. It's not entirely current and I'm not a software developer so i have no idea if the defense code stuff is in there. Have fun: http://www.sendspace.com/file/6asx7l

How are you going to pay someone to run these tests when you haven't even got the funds to pay back tiny loans you took out months ago?

That's a super old version that doesn't even include scrypt.c which the authors (who?) or at least the only RUcoin pool claim the chain now uses

What part of "I am making this thread ...and to find people interested in donating to the total cost of having the chain tested." did you NOT understand...? Just curious...

That's the best I can provide at the moment. I am working on getting the current stuff.

Okay so then STFU and stop making claims you have no proof of given you haven't tested it yourself for the 51% attack immunity claim.

The network has been tested naturally by someone else holding 51%. Also, this is why I'd like luke-jr to test it, so it can then be "officially" called "tested"

'Immune' is a strong word. 'More tricky' is likely.

I cannot say for sure as no details are released of the design.

But just from a reasonable design point of view, ppcoin also runs with 2 separate difficulties. So I could just provide my opinion on a design with two separate hashes and difficulties. If designed properly, you can make 51% attack difficult if attackers only compute one of the two hashes. But if attackers have the resource to compute both hashes in good scale then all bets are off.

Well, there's really only one way to be sure. Maybe we should commission two miners, one doing sha256d, one doing scrypt, both pointing at the same client to see if they can successfully double-spend while >51% attacking the chain. I would really like to see it.

backpedal more. You put up quite a show on btc-e claiming that RUC is immune to 51% attacks and that it uses a method of dual hashing algs. Yet you have no proof and haven't even seen the code that does it.

This just goes to show that you only parroted what someone told you was "TRUTH" when in fact there is no evidence.

The evidence is that I have seen the network in defense mode with my own eyes when someone else was holding majority hashpower. Don't twist things around to attempt to discredit me. You've never seen the source code for Java, Flash, Windows, or Norton A/V but I promise you, they work (most of the time).

Now calm down and wait for some solid results one way or the other before you talk shit.

Regardless of whatever the truth is, and regardless of who is right and wrong there's no need for you to be an asshole about it.

Why is there nobody left who can simply debate a thing without having to troll and be an asshole about it too...?

You are comparing established corporations that have many developers working on the product that has been tested on many users' computers.

RUC has like maybe 1 dev and 10 users who tested the new source.

Plus if the new source exists, why isnt it publicly available?

NO twisting here. Just facts. You claimed something to be true yet you don't even know where the source code is. The code you sent looks to be outdated.

Right again we go with the "if you dont agree with me you are a TROLL". Dude I asked for the source and you went silent for over a day.

You claimed that it has THIS and THAT but no PROOF! Hard evidence that it works. HAve you tested it for those types of scenarios and have data to prove it? If not, then you need to take a step back and let the adults verify if RUC is the real deal or if you are just full of shit.

Okay? Thanks and have a nice day!

Smoothie  ;D ;D ;D

Is it...? LOL, bad example, my fault... Sorry, not a software developer... LOL...

1. Talk a lot and make claims
2. get asked questions about source code to prove your claims
3. then scramble to find proof. Nice. lol

You remind me of Realsolid...lol  :D :D :D

Obviously you are just a guy who runs his mouth about things he doesnt understand nor has the proof to provide about his claims.  :D :D :D

Some people on this forum are just a joke...

Entertainment value  :D

ok, rucoin closed.
bye bye rucoin

H4sIAF1aEFEAAwsoTcrJTFbIyy/JTE61UgjJyCxWKMgvLlEA0iVF+Tk5aampKXpcANrrPAcnAAAA

LOL proof?

u'll see..

E.T.A ??????????????

FAKEEE hahahah (leeeets see)

actuall  LOL   nice!

Well, luke maybe mixed RUC with focalway, as focalway is down, and RUC is still doing great lol

edit: nvm, its back to life

looks like focalway is up, and RUC is fine. SO??

You don't see anything on a 51+% fork until it's all over.

This ^.

So many noobs around here. lol  ;D ;D ;D

You must have misinterpreted the bit in the bible that says be nice to everyone.

You're deluded if you think you're going to heaven, God doesn't like wankers.

For the record I don't have any RUC, I just don't like bible bashing nutcases ;D

Here, let me help you trolls with this since it's apparently not obvious enough...

OH boy I'm watching this thread!

Did you happen to ask permission from the miners at your pool this time?

I'm amazed anybody actually still uses Eligius considering your conduct in the past

i dislike Luke-Jr/Eligius for the same reasons as u (because hes a liar), altough if there would be a vote system (based on hashrate power per user) to attack a coin or not, why not. this could be a cool feature to kill scamcoins. nonetheless i personally have no problem with Luke-Jr (aslong hes not stealing/editing) and im thankfull for his work at the btc source.
also if eligius attacks it, he pays the miners from its own pocket.

the thread itself is just flawed, russians try security by obscurity again and again. this never worked so far...
"defensive mode" for a design flaw? fairytale :P

What about FRC too then? its more scammy than ruc from my point of view
just a thought  ::)


That thing about HIM threatening with "Eligius" hashing power, has to be discussed everywhere and STAY online.
Where's your OWN balls? Even if the pool is yours ;)

its not up to me to decide for others which altcoin is a scam and which isnt.

kill RuCoin? I lol'd! Are you trying to kill dead currency? Good luck in fight agaist mill.
http://shgpi.edu.ru/biblioteka/forum/img/chitau_znachit_sushestvuy/don-quijote-mancha-.jpg

sure, not up to me either, everyone has his own opinion. I only used your words, i wasnt referring to you in person :)

Still waiting to see some results from luke-jr...

In the meantime, check out RuDice for RuCoin: RuDice (http://crypto-games.us)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=9643.msg1106842#msg1106842 :D

Uh yeah some new altcoin drama is way overdue. But this already feels like a disappointment.  

I miss BitcoinEXpress/Realsolid :-[

What does that link pertain to?

Here is a slightly better referenced and more relevant exegesis for this forum:

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/01/17/meet-the-real-deal-michael-hoffman-on-usury-in-christendom/

So no need for anyone to call on Luke-Jr to attack anti-interest FRC; he is more likely to be its defender:

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2012/04/16/usury-why-we-dont-build-cathedrals-these-days/

Uh he's not doing anything, he tried to send this thread a cryptic message saying the topic was troll bait...

"base64 -d <<<'H4sIAF1aEFEAAwsoTcrJTFbIyy/JTE61UgjJyCxWKMgvLlEA0iVF+Tk5aampKXpcANrrPAcnAAAA' | gzip -d"

or translated "Public Notice: This post is trollfeed"

On any decent system you can just past it into the command line.

Why do you need to kill something thats already dead ?

Is there a list somewhere of luke's 51% attacks; what happened etc. ?

No need for a list with only one item: CoiledCoin. Can't be bothered with pissing off scammers anymore.
And the trolls have a field day with it, claiming Eligius miners were involved when it was just me.

You used the Eligius pool.
... and if you deny it I'll post what you said about that ...

for reference, may i ask why u attacked CLC?

coz he is a retard?? Also, yesterday i asked Greedi why he killed BBQ and didnt even reply (he sent me "why you need to know?") and after that no reply (though bbq seems to be back up connecting to peers, mining coins, recieving, sending etc etc. It may reset itself after it got to 0 peers, if anyone has a bbq address pm me to send you coins and do the final tests to be sure its working)

Btw his lines on the btc-e chat(the only info i could gt on subject):

07.02.13 08:34:15 Greedi: efx, What?.. what the *, have you heard bud?.. he did only help a bit with some code?.. but yeah, the fault with bbq was the creator was a little boy that pissed me off -.-
From log page 12498

i have the QT and i don't get any connections :(

but here my addy for trying to send coins BBQ: bWnUiCU3MGxjKBFifHEtvXLjSq33wMFHbt

will let u know if i get any connections to network

Uh, yup if there is no miner on the net it always shows out of sync and no connections, i will poin my cpy on there for a littlebit and send you coins :)

edit: sent, tx 836474248c931a61ae54e04a6b7131f984da5623bb8ab812df2bc72f25fa0a2d tell me results

other coins i have sent to c4n10 or hashy are all confirmed

edit2: also, what is your client's block count? if you still get no connections, close and re-open client

client never connecting so block count 0 :(

That is really weird, as i get 1 connection, c4n10 is on too and has 4 connections.. care to upload your client somewhere for me?
(as this is offtopic you can pm me the link for it)

Maybe its something wrong with your settings dunno (or we are on a different weird fork/chain)

PM sent

Rucoin has 51% defence built in and can be mined with both SHA and Scrypt, so you get the best of both worlds.

fairytale about the 51%

prove it

bitcoin fork, no source, russians, security by obscurity. proof enuogh!

source was posted on http://www.rucoin.us

hows novacoin diff